tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN September 22, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm PDT
happening now, breaking news. anger and unrest. the national guard and state troopers are called into charlotte after a second night of racially charged violence. the city is on edge as outrage builds over the police shooting death of an african-american man. who will happen in charlotte tonight? conflicting accounts. police and the family are putting forward different versions of the encounter. officials say keith lamont scott say he had a gun, the family says he was reading a book. why is the police chief refusing to release body camera footage? hillary clinton is speaking out on race, calling police shootings of black men
unbearable. how will the candidates address race relations in their first debate just four days from now? and the suspect's wife. new york and new jersey bombing suspect ahmed rahami's wife returns to the united states as the fbi seeks more information from her and her husband's family. investigators have pieced together a detailed timeline on his movements of the day of the bombings. why haven't the two witnesses sought by the fbi come forward? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." the breaking news tonight, hundreds of national guard troops and state police are on alert in charlotte, north carolina. a state of emergency is in effect, and officials are weighing whether to impose a curfew after two nights of violence. it's been sparked by the police shooting death of keith scott,
an african-american father of seven. police say he threatened officers with a gun, but his family says scott didn't own a gun and was simply holding a book. the police chief is refusing to make video of the shooting public. last hour, right here in "the situation room," he revealed there is body camera footage of the shooting, as well as dash cam video. the shooting followed a similar incident in tulsa, oklahoma just days before and just a little while ago, the district attorney announced that the police officer who fatally shot terence crutcher has been charged with manslaughter. we're covering much more, including with the president of the national urban league and our expert analysts are standing by. let's get straight to charlotte with cnn's brian todd on the scene for us. there's a real fear of yet a third night of violence. what's the latest? >> reporter: there is a real fear of that, wolf. right behind me is an example of
how jittery this city is. take a look over here. these workers from a glass company are taking windows out of the hyatt house hotel. windows that were not broken, and replacing them with plywood. we can show you some of the areas where plywood has been put in. a lot of damage was sustained here, and two employees were assaulted. mean while tonight, as nightfall descends, reinforcements have arrived in this city. hundreds of law enforcement and military personnel arrived in the city getting ready to deploy on these streets. officials determined to try to avoid a repeat of what we saw last night. [ sirens ] a state of emergency in effect, after two nights of police struggling to keep order. even with hundreds of reinforcements and a state of emergency in place, city officials unable to promise that they will be able to check the protests and looting in charlotte. many workers told to stay home
today, while store owners try to pick up the piecing. as evening approaches, the city is once again bracing for what may happen after dark. >> they'll see us much more proactive to start locking criminal behavior up, so we don't experience the damages that we had last night. >> reporter: last night, 44 arrests were reported, as rioters smashed windows, looted store fronts and threw objects, even tv reporters were targeted. >> [ bleep ]! >> reporter: police responded with tear gas and riot lines. one person was shot. it is unclear by whom and remains on life support. the police shooting, which triggered the unrest when keith lamont scott was shot dead tuesday. the police chief says the video shows scott was holding a gun but -- >> the video does not give me absolute, definitive visual evidence that would confirm that
a person is pointing a gun. >> reporter: but lawyers for the family dispute that narrative. >> there are witnesses who are saying that no gun was there. there are witnesses who say gun was put there. there are witnesses who say a gun may have been pulled out of the car. >> reporter: scott's wife saw the shooting herself and the family is expecting to see the video as soon as this evening, their lawyer said. but community activists say let the public judge the videos for themselves. >> we don't want to hear another person stand up and give an account as if it's factual until we all see those tapes. >> reporter: national guard troops mobilized to bolster security in charlotte. >> we cannot tolerate violence directed towards citizens or destruction of property. >> reporter: community leaders say the unrst in charlotte goes beyond just one case. >> my frustration is because i don't see this incident that occurred this past tuesday as an
isolated incident. i see this as a collection of hash tags that it seems to be open season on black and men and women in america. >> reporter: again, our breaking news tonight. the charlotte police chief telling wolf blitzer a short time ago that there is video from police officers of the shooting of keith scott the other day, as well as dash cam video. but the chief saying the evidence that he's seen, he's not seen definitive evidence that scott was holding a gun but the chief does reiterate he could not see scott's hands in the video. wolf? >> the workers are trying to fix all the damage from the rioting last night. brian, thank you very much. also breaking, an attorney tells cnn that members of the scott family have now viewed the actual video, showing the shooting. let's get some more on all of this with the president of the national urban league. mark, thanks for joining us.
>> great to be with you. >> do you think the charlotte police should make the video of this incident public? >> it should be made public. i thought the police chief damaged his own case. if you're going to interpret the video and not release the video, then all you're doing is breeding more distrust that, in fact, you're covering up information. in this instance, transparency would be best. let the public decide, and i don't think talking about the video and saying well, here's what i saw in the video from the law enforcement official who is leading the, if you will, investigation into the incident, is really helpful. either you release the video, but if you're not going to release the video, and i don't agree with not releasing the video, you don't talk about the video. this doesn't help matters, i think. and i just watched a clip. i think that there is a better way to handle this, and the
public does have a right to know. this is a new day, because these videos, through social media, are available. and the public wants to know so they can make a judgment as to what they think. >> you speak with credibility, with authority on the subject. you were the mayor of new orleans, which is a major city. how would you handle this crisis? because everyone right now as you know, marc, is bracing for a third night of violence. >> i think you have to work to give confidence that the matter is going to be investigated, and that if there is wrongdoing, you're going to squarely be on the side of holding the police officers accountable. since trayvon martin, if you will, wolf, there's been a long narrative of high profile cases, where unarmed african-american men have been shot, in many instances killed by the police. there have been over 200 such incidents this year, without judging whether they were justified or not.
this is not a charlotte situation, a tulsa situation. it's a national narrative. and what i think we're seeing is that things that have gone on for quite a long time now have the light of day shone on them, but it's got to spur systematic change in these departments. >> the governor has activated national guard troops, about 350. they're deployed right now and moving into the city. is that a good idea? >> well, look, i don't want to second guess what the governor is doing. i'm not in charlotte. but i will say this, wolf. when you're dealing with a crowd and you deploy tear gas and, if you will, the sound devices, those sometimes, while the intent is to disburse the crowd, those sort of tactics in many cases backfire and create more chaos. i think in charlotte, when a
militarized department shows up with these sound devices, if you will, and tear gas. now, i'm not going to sit here and second guess because i'm not in charlotte. but i do know, i do know in these sort of instances, trying to keep a crowd or settal crowd down is highly, highly difficult. let me say this. i abhor any violence in furtherance of protest. however, the rage, the anger, the just unbearable pain that these incidents are causing, those -- that's something that i share those thoughts, and i share those feelings, while at the same time, abhorring any use of violence in furtherance of protest, as well as violence being used against innocent people in this country by law enforcement officers. >> as you know, one man was shot during last night's protest by another civilian. he's now in critical condition. do you worry if the video, for example, isn't released, the
protest will grow again? and the bottom line, because i'm anxious to hear, what is your message to the protesters right now? >> my message to the protesters has been a message that i think most of us in the civil rights community have said, that the long arc of history teaches us that protest in furtherance of the first amendment that is peaceful is best able to effect the change we need in america. that's what history teaches us, and when violence is involved, it undercuts the focus. so now the focus is on the violence, it's not on, if you will, the case, the innocent man who has lost his life. we've got to make sure that systematic police reform that we need in this country, that the type of changes we need remains, if you will, the focus. but i believe that the protests to continue, as you heard a
pastor in charlotte say, it's a longer narrative than just this incident. the rage and the anger that people feel, people have to understand that rage and anger, while at the same time saying look, the protests should be peaceful. but let's keep our focus on the changes that need to be made, and that in charlotte, wolf, a great american city no doubt, you've got wide economic disparities. you've got a tale of two cities that exist in that community. that's underlying a good deal of this in that city. >> marc, i need you to stand by. we're getting more information coming in. we're all bracing for maybe another night of some violence in charlotte. let's hope that does not happen. we'll continue our confidence right after this.
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gum® brand. we're back with marc morial. growing tension as night falls in charlotte, north carolina. the city is bracing for a possible third night of violence, following the police shooting of an african-american man. that happened just days after a fatal police shooting of an unarmed man in tulsa, oklahoma. the district attorney there just announcing that the police officer in that case has been charged with manslaughter. marc, let's talk about donald trump for a moment. he called what's called the stop and frisk program. he said it's been incredible. he suggested it be reinstated in chicago. as you know, a federal court in new york ruled it unconstitutional. statistics do suggest that it may have worked, maybe it didn't work, but by all accounts, if you listen to mayor bloomberg in new york, mayor giuliani, when
he was mayor, they think it worked, even though the federal court says it's unconstitutional. what do you think of trump's suggestion of bringing it in place in chicago. >> let me give you this point of view on stop and frisk. and we deployed stop and frisk in new orleans in a limited way, in areas where there was significant evidence of drug and weapons use. but a comprehensive policy of stop and frisk across the board, even in new york, would show that an an small amount of people that were stop and frisked were prosecuted for, if you will, a weapons offense, which was the intent of stop and frisk. the other side of it is, it bred distrust and lack of confidence by communities in police officers, because they saw police officers making what appear to be random stops in
black and brown communities, most of which yielded no offense, no violation of the law. so i would say it's an ineffective policy. no one ever says that many beat police officers will tell you that the other thing that stop and frisk does is it turns policing into a numbers game, where beat officers are held accountable for a certain number of stops or where they're measured by how many stops they make. i think it's a bad policy to implement on a comprehensive basis, because it's ineffective and it's tantamount, if you talk about doing it on a national basis, to say let's impose a form of, if you will, martial law, which is way beyond the constitutional powering of the presidency. so if we're going to debate stop and frisk, let's have the facts out on the table. it's appealing, like a lot of things that might sound good to
people. but overall, on a comprehensive basis, it has not been effect iv. and in new york, where it was a broad policy, it was found to have been unconstitutional and it led to racial profiling. i think it's not the way to confront or make our communities safer. i don't think it's a way to bring police and communities together. there are better approaches and better ways. and i think in the 21st century, we've got to recognize, and look at new strategies and new ways to confront the challenges we have today. >> trump also said this week, marc, that the african-american communities are in the worst shape they've ever, ever, ever -- he said it three times -- ever been. so what is your message when you hear him say that? >> black america is proudly a
community of tremendous successes. tomorrow and saturday, we are going to open the smithsonian african-american museum of history and culture. anyone who is seriously interested, they should visit that museum and learn that black america is a community of great challenges, but a community of great successes. you know what i say? did thin sanyone see the olympi? did they see the gymnasts? did they see the women who won gold medals in track? they're part of america and proudly part of black america. so this negative characterization by anyone, negative characterization is wholly inaccurate, it's pejorative and it's really insulting. we're a community with challenges and problems, but a community of tremendous success and pride, tremendous accomplishment, hardworking men and women who have families,
working every day to contribute to what makes the united states of america a great nation. >> mike pence, trump's vice presidential running mate, marc, he said this today. listen. >> donald trump and i believe that there's been far too much of this talk of institutional bias of racism within law enforcement. that police officers are human beings, and in difficult and life threatening situations. mistakes are made and people have to be held to strict account. but we both believe that it's important that we have a president who, as the chief law enforcement officer of the united states, stands behind the men and women who serve in law enforcement. >> i want you to react, he says mistakes happen. go ahead. >> let me say this.
police officers are public servants and public employees, and they should not only be supported when they do the right thing, they should be held accountable when they violate standards, practices, the law, and the constitution. police officers should not be on a pedestal. politicians should not be on a pedestal. no public servant, no public employee should be on a pedestal. respect good work, but we've got to hold those that violate those standards accountable. that's really the point. and to treat it as though you're either pro police or anti-police is really not the choice we have in this country. the choice that we have is to support effective policing, that keeps us safe, by honest men and women. and let's hold those who run afoul accountable if they run afoul of the law or the constitution.
let's hold them accountable. we hold politicians accountable. we hold people in the community accountable. i just believe there's a duty for any public employee. it's a tough job, it's hard work, there's a tremendous amount of pressure, but you have to hold people accountable. >> marc, president of the national urban league, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. the breaking news we're following. fear of fresh violence in charlotte, north carolina. we're going back to the streets there, live. plus, race, crime, and policing on the campaign trail. what donald trump is now saying about all of that. stay with us. evy malibu. it was awarded "most dependable midsize car" by j.d. power. it looks great. wow! what is happening? oh my gosh, it's going up! but the malibu's not the only vehicle that was awarded. this is mind blowing. the chevy camaro, equinox, and silverado hd
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breaking news. all eyes on charlotte, north carolina tonight, as the city braces for a possible third night of violence. protests over the police shooting death of keith scott have boiled over two mayhem two nights in a row, prompting the activation of the national guard. the police chief revealed existence of body camera video of the shooting. brian todd, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: wolf, nightfall is fast approaching. very jittery city right now. this is the hyatt house hotel where two people were assaulted last night. they're replacing windows here
not broken with plywood. we have to talk about the reinforcements. 367 national guard troops getting set to deploy right now on the streets of charlotte, in addition to several, at least a couple of hundred state troopers will handle the traffic. we're hold that the national guardsmen are going to handle the protection of buildings and infrastructure. that's going to free up the charlotte police to deal more directly with the protesters and the charlotte police chief has told reporters earlier today that they will be more assertive in arresting protesters tonight. so we'll see how their tactics play out on the streets. last night, they were breaking ranks, the police were, going out and pulling protesters back into their ranks. sometimes in baltimore, we've seen lines of police open up and they pull someone back behind the line. a tactic we've seen quite often. we saw a little bit of that last night in charlotte. a lot of reinforcements tonight, here on the streets of charlotte.
367 national guardsmen getting set to deploy. hundreds of state troopers have arrived in town. the charlotte police force is about 1800 strong. you can bet probably all of them will be on the streets in the coming hours. >> we'll be there with you every step of the way. thank you very much. all of this comes just four days before the first presidential debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. sarah murray is joining us now. donald trump is weighing in on the issues of crime, race, and policing. what's the latest? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. donald trump and his campaign want to make in roads with minorities, but his try of supporting controversial proposals could make that more difficult. he's proposed a ban on muslims coming into the u.s. he complimented israel's profiling, and he's throwing his support behind stop andi frisk n chicago. >> we need a national anti-crime
agenda to make our cities safe again. >> reporter: amid turmoil in north carolina, donald trump is declaring crime in america's cities a national crisis. >> our country looks bad to the world, especially when we are supposed to be the world's leader. how can we lead when we can't even control our own cities? >> reporter: today, the gop nominee is vowing to bring together law enforcement officials to dismantle gangs and international cartels. and blaming the violence in places like charlotte on drugs flowing across the southern border. >> if you're not aware, drugs are a very, very big factor in what you're watching on television at night. >> reporter: trump lamenting the relationship between white and black communities. >> it just seems there's a lack of spirit between the white and the black. >> reporter: even as he argues, it's time to bring back the controversial stop and frisk
strategy, which a judge ruled was unconstitutional in 2013. >> i see what's going on here and in chicago. i think stop and frisk, in new york city, it was so incredible the way it worked. >> reporter: today, trump and his campaign are clarifying the program one targeted at chicago. >> i was referring to chicago. >> reporter: while he touts the program's success in new york, it predominantly targeted minorities. a report from the new york attorney general shows just 3% of stop and frisk stops resulted in convictions. and in more than 5 million stop and frisk stops, police recovered guns 0.2% of the time. trump's call for reviving the practice coming just days after he spoke favorably about profiling. >> what do you have to lose? >> reporter: but a poll shows an
overwhelming 81% of african-american voters prefer hillary clinton, compared to 7% who back trump. and trump's pitch has come with stumbles. like insisting african-american communities have never been worse off. >> our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. >> reporter: as well as lingering questions about the years he spent questioning president obama's birthplace. >> a lot of people were asking me questions. >> reporter: and today, a trump campaign official in ohio, cathy miller, is resigning, after sparking outrage with comments like this. >> i don't think there was any racism until obama got elected. >> reporter: now, the clinton campaign is betting that donald trump's history of birtherism is going to make it harder to appeal to minorities, saying
trump spent five years to undermine our first african-american president. wolf? >> thank you very much, sara murray reporting. let's get more on this. gloria borger, earlier today mike spence responded to these shootings and said, donald trump and i believe that there has been far too much talk of this institutional bias or racism within law enforcement. how is that going to play politically, gloria? >> i think it plays fine with the base of the republican party. blue lives matter was a big part of the republican convention. and i think what you see coming out of donald trump and mike pence is what we very often see coming out of a presidential candidate and a vice presidential candidate. when the presidential candidate goes a little softer, as trump was trying to do earlier this week, saying things like, you know, you have to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, we have to fix our wounded country, you have mike pence taking a harder
line, which is what he did in that quote you were just saying. so i think what they're trying to do as a campaign is not lose their base of support while appealing to a broader constituency, which by the way is not only african-american, but it would be also better educated white voters, particularly women who have a hard time voting for someone who they believe is either racist or intolerant in any way, shape or form. so i think they're playing both sides of the coin at the same time. >> don lemon, as you heard trump proposing stop and frisk be used in chicago, the policy was ruled unconstitution for targeting african-americans and hispanics in new york. so what message does he send to voters when he say it worked incredibly well? >> that he's not telling the
truth. he says it worked incredibly well, it worked incredibly not well. i think it's important, because the truth is the truth. a november 2013 north from the new york attorney general revealed that just 3% of stop and frisk stops led to convictions between 2009 and 2012. more than 5 million stops between 2002 and 2012, police recovered guns less than 0.2% of the time. that's according to the police department compiled by the new york civil liberties union in a 2014 report. so it says he's not telling the truth. i think african-americans know that it disproportionately targeted blacks and hispanics and a federal judge deemed it unconstitutional, ruled it unconstitutional in 2013. if it did not work in new york city, why would it work in chicago or any other city around the united states? >> jeffrey toobin is with us,
the republican controlled legislative in north carolina passed laws that a lot of african-americans see as racist, including a law that mounted to what they called voter s suppression that was struck down. so how is that overall environment playing into the protests, the street protest that we've seen in charlotte over the past couple of nights? >> it's a deeply polarized state along racial as well as political lines. i would like to question the premise of how we're analyzing trump's last couple of statements. i don't think he's trying to appeal to african-americans at all. the whole idea of law and order is a code word for cracking down on african-americans. it has been since 1968. if you look at how he's talked about african-americans, starting with president obama, and embracing the kind of voter
suppression laws that have been passed in north carolina, now somewhat overturned in the courts. but i think everything he's saying is designed to appeal to the base that is sick and tired of african-americans trying to get political power in this country. >> i think he's trying to do both. i honestly believe he's trying to broaden his base and to appeal to white voters. >> think about saying that the situation of african-americans is the worst it has ever, ever been, which trump said. this is a country that had slavery, that had jim crow segregation. how can you take something like that seriously? >> and you have to remember, donald trump, you know, he's not a stupid man, and he also has very smart people around him. he has people who know politics. so gloria is saying he's trying to appeal to a larger audience.
to me it's talking out of both sides of your mouth. you cannot appeal to african-americans, especially with something that targets african-americans, and that is illegal and unconstitutional and then say things have never been worse, when things have ever been better. it does not make sense. >> statistically that doesn't make sense, but i can just say i went to the campaign asking this very question, how do you square outreach to african-american voters with saying that there should be stop and frisk and those, as you said, jeffrey, a more law and order things on the book, which has been code for going after african-americans, and the answer was, it all squares because what he's trying to -- the point he's trying to get across is that african-americans should be open to this because he's trying to make their communities safer. i'm not defending it, i'm not saying that he's right. i'm just saying this is the argument that he's laying out as to how these two things --
>> dana, what he doesn't realize is that not all african-american -- he's talking about certain urban areas in certain cities. the bulk of african-americans don't live there. many people live in the suburbs, they live in areas that are not crime ridden. i don't know -- there are people who live in those areas, but that is not all the entirety of the african-american community. there are very wealthy african-americans or african-americans who live in beverly hills, in bel-air, on the upper east side of new york. they don't all live in urban crime ridden areas. that's the problem. >> everybody, stand by. there's a lot more to this conversation. we're also getting some new polls from some critical battleground states. where do hillary clinton and donald trump stand right now in the most important of these battlegrounds? woah! you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. woah, woah! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that.
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four days until the first presidential debate, just over six weeks until the election. tonight, new polls in some of the critical states. dana, let's take a look at some of these polls. colorado, a key battle ground state, hillary clinton up by two. in virginia, she's up by six. in georgia, trump is up by seven. in iowa, he's also up by seven. this looks like it's shaping up pretty close. >>is absolutely does. especially the colorado poll, if i'm in brooklyn right now and i'm looking at that, i'm getting
a little bit nervous, because that is one of the sort of clinton firewall states, colorado. a state they need to win looking at the map in order to stop donald trump from any version of an electoral path to victory. cnn on its website has a new expectation for where the electoral map is right now. and hillary clinton still is ahead, but only slightly at 272. you need 270 to become president. to say it is close is an understatement. the map is still more beneficial, more optimal for hillary clinton as it is in the past quarter century or more for any democrat. but this is 2016. >> yeah, that first presidential debate monday night could be decisive. what are you hearing and seeing? >> well, i think what we see
from the trump campaign is trying to lower the bar below the floor for donald trump. because shawn spicer, the head of communications for the rnc, sent out a memo earlier today, which said, and i'm going to quote, clinton is a career politician who has spent years sharpening her debate reflexes and beefing up on public policy, meaning you should expect her to win this debate, and if donald trump shows up and does just okay, then you're going to have to declare him the winner. so what they're doing is lowering expectations there. one more thing about the map dana was just talking about is that a month ago, hillary clinton was up ten points in colorado, just to show you that. so to dana's point, that everything is tightening, yes, everything is tightening. the clinton folks believe they have a structural advantage, which they do. but if these polls continue to
tighten, they're going to get a little more nervous, which is why they're going to try to raise expectations at some point for donald trump heading into this debate. >> the clinton campaign hasn't been advertising in colorado, and it will be interesting to see if they start advertising, because that will be a sign that they really are worried. >> we're told that trump tomorrow is going to start practicing, rehearsing, getting off the campaign trail, just like hillary clinton has been preparing for that monday night debate. >> as we know, and gloria knows probably better than any of us, because she's researched it, and i saw her amazing documentary just last week, these things can be decided in one debate, and with a couple of zingers, you know. i will not exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience, that won ronald reagan the debate. or any other one-liner. and donald trump is very good at live television. he knows television. he knows how to woo an audience. and i think that he -- if he has
a to woo an audience and if he has a good couple of one-liners he could win the debate. >> roger ailes gave that line to ronald reagan and he's helping trump. >> back with more later tonight. 10:00 p.m. with don lemon. just ahead we're getting new developments in the in new jersey and new york bombings probe. investigators have a new timeline. we'll be right back. ybe... you can make it gr-r-reat! ♪ kellogg's frosted flakes gives you the sweet spark to go all in and let your great out. they're gr-r-reat!
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jersey. pamela brown is working the story. what are you learning. >> reporter: tonight investigators are still trying to figure out where the suspect allegedly built the bottoms he used and gleaming new information in the investigation from his family, including his wife. tonight the wife of suspected bomber ahmad rahami is back on u.s. soil. sources say shi left earlier this summer to go overseas. around the same time her husband allegedly began buying bomb-making materials on ebay. sources say she told investigators she had no knowledge of her husband's activities. this as investigators are still trying to piece together, what if nigraham's family knew about his intentions. >> we're still engaged in
actively viewing everything we can find out about this individual, his connections here, his connections overseas. that would include travel, that would include any contacts he may have made during travel to see how they would also factor into the events he stands charged with. >> law enforcement revealed rahami went to his family's home in elizabeth, new jersey on sunday. the day after the bombings. according to law enforcement sources his family told investigators he was behaving normally. searching for these two men seen on surveillance video taking the undetonated pressure cooker out of luggage on west 27th street and walking offer with a bag. >> they are witnesses. >> and b continuing e ing ting these bloody pages in the journal he was carrying with him. one page, attack the kuffar in
their backyard. perhaps a answer tol the call to hurt non believers. >> shows he was tuning into these statements and influenced by them. as well as being influenced by similar calls by a yemeni american cleric anwar al awlaki. >> he also seemed worried he would be cut before he could carry out the attacks. >> rahami remains in the hospital tonight. investigators say he is currently incapacitated and not in sufficient physical health for everyone a bedside arraignment as of now. >> thanks very much. the attorney general of the united states lort lynch has unannounced unprecedented crackdown on global mail fraud. the cnn money investigation broke the news of this action.
christine romans has more. >> the people who do this to people, they don't have enough prisons for you guys. >> rob collins says mail fraud drained his dad's life savings. >> he was spending all of his check each mont on these sweepstakes and psychics. hey dad. every time he called me, i'm winning $10 million. $15 million. i'm winning a mercedes. >> have you ever gotten any money back? >> no. >> jennifer bell saw the same thing happen. >> she actually took out a reverse mortgage on her home so she could continue to give more money to scams. she had given away the entire value of her home, approximately a hundred thousand. >> the scams vary, but many have one thing in common. >> when we went through her bank accounted, i kept noticing these little $25 checks. but i noticed they were all
processed by one company called pac net. she was sending money to a different person. but the processer was always the same. >> i saw that pac net on lots of lots of checks. >> pac net is a payment processer it. says it does everything in its power to prevent fraud but our investigation finds that while it does work with legitimate businesses it has processed payments for an alarming number of scams that have faced serious government actions. here is how it works. global fraudsters need a way to stay under the radar and bring in money from victims in all sorts of currencies. that is where company like pac net come in. they cash checks for clients under its name and takes its cut of course. pac net says it is a victim too and cuts ties when it is alerted to anything illegal. but that is little consolation by families.
>> there is no house. there is no nothing. she didn't have a proper funeral. she didn't have any o of that. all she had was junk mail. >> christine romans reporting. that is it for me. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" start rite now. "outfront" next, breaking news the family of keith lamont scott, the black man fatally shot by police watching the video for the first time. police say the video doesn't clearly show scott holding a gun. why can't the public see it. and more news in the fatal shooting of a tulsa man scene with his hands in the air as he's shot. and donald trump to blame for what we're seeing on tv at night? what exactly is he talking about. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm esht. "outfront" tonight the breakinge