tv Debate Night in America CNN September 26, 2016 11:00pm-1:01am PDT
not rent apartments in one of his developments to african-americans. and he made sure that the people who worked for him understood that was the policy. he actually was sued twice by the justice department. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior. and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. you know, barack obama is a man of great dignity. and i could tell how much it bothered him and annoyed him that this was being touted and used against him. but i like to remember what michele obama said in her amazing speech at our democratic national convention. when they go low, we go high. and barack obama went high, despite donald trump's best efforts to bring him down. >> mr. trump, you can respond and then we are going to move on to the next seg machine.
>> i would love to respond. first of all i got to watch in preparing for this debate some of your debates with barack obama. you treated had up with terrible disrespect and i watch how you talk about how lovely everything is. and how wonderful you are. it doesn't work that way. your campaign sent out picture of him in a certain garb. just last week your campaign manager said it was true. when you try to act holier than thou it doesn't work. as far as the lawsuit yes when i was young i went into my father's real estate company in brooklyn and queens. and we along with many companies throughout the country -- it was a federal lawsuit, were sued. we settled the suit with zero, with no admission of guilt. it was easy to do. but they sued many people. i notice you bring that up a lot and i notice the nasty commercials you do on me which i
don't do on you. maybe i'm trying to save the money. frankly i look at that and say isn't that amazing? because i settled that lawsuit with no admission of guilt. but that was a lawsuit brought against many real estate firms and it's just one of those things fl i'll go one step future. in palm beach florida, a tough community, a brilliant community, wealthiest community in the world i opened a club. and really got great credit for it. no discrimination against african-americans, against muslims, against anybody. and it's a tremendously successful club and i'm so glad i did it. and i have been given great credit for what i did. and i'm very, very proud of it. and that's the way i feel. that is the true way i feel. >> our next segment is called securing maesh. we want to start with a 21st
century war happening every day in this country. our institutions are under cyber attack and our secrets are being stolen. so my question is, who is behind it, and how do we fight it? second clinton, this answer goes to you. >> i think cyber security, cyber warfare, will be one of the biggest challenges facing the next president because, clearly, we are facing at this point two different kinds of adversaries. there are the independent hacking groups that do it mostly for commercial reasons to try to steal information that they can then use to make money. but increasingly we are seeing cyber attacks coming from states, organs of states, the most recent and troubling of these has been russia. there's no doubt now that russia has used cyber attacks against all kinds of organizations in our country. and i am deeply concerned about this.
i know donald's very praise worky of vladimir putin but putin is playing a really tough, long game here. and one of the things he's done is to let loose cyber attackers to hack into government files, to hack into personal files, hack into democratic national committee. and we have recently have learned that this is one of their preferred methods of trying to reek havoc and collect information. we need to make it very clear, whether it's russia, china, iran, or anybody else, the united states has much greater capacity. and we are not going to sit idly by and permit state actors to go after our information, our private seconder information or our public sector information. and we are going to have to make it clear that we don't want to use the kinds of tools that we have.
we don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare. but we will defend the citizens of this country. and the russians need to understand that. i think they have been treating it as almost a probing, how far would we go? how much will we do? that's why i was so -- i was so shocked when donald publicly invited to hack into americans. that is just unacceptable. it's one of the reasons why 50 national security officials who served in public administration -- >> two minutes has expired. >> have said that donald trump is unfit to be commander in cheechl it's comments like that that really worry the threats that we face. >> mr. trump, two minutes to answer the same question, who is behind it and how do we fight it. >> next week it will be 200 admirals and generals who endorsed me to lead this country. that just happened.
and many more are coming. and i'm very proud of it. in addition, i was just endorsed by i.c.e. they have never endorsed anybody before. on immigration. i was just endorsed by i.c.e. i was recently endorsed by 16500 border patrol agents. when secretary clinton talks about this, i'll take the admirals and the generals any day over the political hacks that i have seen that have led our country so brilliantly over the last ten years with their knowledge. okay? look at the mess we are in. as far as the cyber, i agree to parts of what secretary clinton said. we should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we are not. i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she is saying russia, russia, russia, but i don't -- maybe it was. it could be russia. but it could be china. it could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, owe? you don't know who broke into dnc. but what did we learn with dnc?
we learned that bernie sanders was taken advantage of by your people, by debby wasserman schultz. but bernie sanders was taken advantage of. now, whether that was russia, whether it was china, whether it was another country we don't know because the truth is under president obama we have lost control of thing that we used to have control over. we came in with the internet. we came up with the internet and i think secretary clinton and myself would agree very much when you look at what isis is doing with the internet they are beating us at our own game. isis. we have to get very tough on sidebarer and cyber warfare. it is a huge problem. i have a son who is ten years old. he has computers. he is so good with the computers it's unbelievable. the security aspect of sidebarer is very, very tough. and maybe -- it's hardly doable.
but i will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. but that's true throughout our whole governmental society. we have so many things that we have to do better, lester, is certainly, sidebarer is one of them. >> secretary clinton? >> i think there are a number of issues we should be addressing. i have put forth a plan to defeat isis. it does involve going after them on line. i think we need to do much more with our tech companies to prevent isis and their operatives to use the internet to radicalize even direct people in our country and elsewhere. but we also have to intensify our air strikes against isis and eventually support our arab and kurdish partners to be able to actually take out isis in raqqah, in their claim of being a caliphate.
we are making progress. our military is assisting in iraq. and we are hoping that within the year we will be able to push isis out of iraq. and then, you know, really squeeze them in syria. but we have to be cognizant of the fact that they have had foreign fighters coming to volunteer for them, foreign money, foreign weapons. so we have to make this the top priority. and i would also do everything possible to take out their leadership. i was involved in a number of efforts to take out al qaeda leadership when i was secretary of state, including of course taking out bin laden. i think we need to go after bagdadi as well. make that one of our organizing principles because we've got to defeat isis and we've got do everything we can to disrupt their propaganda efforts on line. >> you mention isis. and we think of isis certainly as over there. but there are american citizens that conspired to "connect the
world" commit acts of terror on u.s. soil. the latest the bombings in new york and new jersey. in the last year, deadly attacks in san bernardino and orlando. i will ask both of you, tell us specifically how you would prevent homegrown attacks by american citizens. >> first i have to say one thing, very important. secretary clinton is talking about taking out isis. we will take out isis. well, president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq. because they got out -- they shouldn't have been in. but once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. and isis was formed. so she talks about taking them out. she has been doing it a long time. she has been trying to take them out for a long time. but they wouldn't have even been forld if they left some troops behind, like 10,000 or maybe something more than that. and then you wouldn't have had them. or as i have been saying for a long time and i think you will
agree because i said it to you once, had we take ten oil -- and we should have taken the oil, isis would not have been able to form either because the oil was their primary source of income. and now they have the oil all over the place, including the oil -- a lot of the oil in libya, which was another one of her disasters. >> secretary clinton? >> i hope the fact checkers are turning up the volume and really working hard. donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is absolutely. >> wrong. >> proved over and over again. >> wrong. >> he advocated for the action weiss took in libya and urged that gadhafi be taken out after actually doing some business with him one time. but the larger point. he says this constantly, is george w. bush made the agreement about when american troops would leave iraq. not barack obama. and the only way that american troops could have stayed in iraq
is to get an agreement from the then iraqi government that would have protected our troops. and the iraqi government would not give that. but let's talk about the question you asked, lester. the question you asked is what do we do here in the united states? that's the most important part of this? how do we prevent attacks? how do we protect our people? and i think we have got to have an intelligence surge where we are looking for every scrap of information. i was so proud of law enforcement in new york, in minnesota, in new jersey you know, they responded so quickly, so professionally to the attacks that occurred by rahami and they brought him down. and we may find out more information because he is still alive, which may prove to be an intelligence benefit. so we've got to do everything we can to vacuum up intelligence from europe, from the middle east. that means we've got to work more closely with our allies.
and that's something that done has been very dismissive of. we are working with nato, the longest military alliance in the hess tree of the world to really turn our attention to terrorism. we are working with our friend in the middle east, many of, which as you know, are muslim majority nation. donald has consistently insulted muslims abroad, muslims at home when we need to be cooperating with muslim nations and with the american muslim community. they are on the front lines. they can provide information to us that we might not get anywhere else. they need to have close working cooperation with law enforcement in these communities. not be alienated and pushed away as some of donald's rhetoric unfortunately as led to. >> mr. -- >> i have to respond. >> please respond. the secretary said very strongly about working with. we have been working with them
for many years and we have the greatest mess anyone has ever seen. look at the middle east, it is a total mess. under your direction to a large extent. it is a total mess. we have the iran beauty, we're doing so badly they were choking on the sanction. and now they are going to be probably a major power at some point the way they are going. when you look at nato i was asked on a major show what do you think of nato. you have to understand i am a business person. i did really well. but i have common sense. i said i haven't given lots of thought to nato but two things, number one, the 28 countries of nato, many aren't paying their fair share. number two, that bothers me because we are defending them and they should be paying us what they are supposed to be paying by treaty and contract. and number two i said, and very strongly, nato could be obsolete because -- and i was very strong on this, and it was covered accurately in the "new york
times," which is unusual for the "new york times," to be honest. but i said, they do not focus on terror. i was very strong and i said numerous times, and four months ago i read on the wreath journal that nato is opening up a major terror division. i think that's great. and i think we should get -- because we pay approximately 73% of the cost of nato, it is a lot of money to protect other people. but i'm for nato but i said they have to focus on terror also. and they are going to do that. but that was largely because of what i was saying and my criticism of nato. i think we have to get nato to go into the middle east with us in addition to surrounding nations and we have to knock the hell out of isis and we have to do it fast. when isis formed in this vacuum created by barack obama and secretary clinton -- and believe me, you were the ones that took
out the troops. not only that, you named the day. they couldn't believe it. they sat back probably, i can't believe it. >> we have covered this ground. >> when they formed, this is something that never should have happened. it should have never happened. now you are talking about take out isis. but were there and you were secretary of state when it was a little infant. now it's in over 30 countries and you are going to stop them? i don't think so. >> mr. trump, a lot of these are judgment questions. you have supported the war in iraq before the invasion -- >> i did not support the war in iraq. that's a mainstream media non-sense put out by her because frankly i think the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. >> the question is why is your judgment -- >> wait a minute. i was against the war in iraq. just so you put it out. >> the record shows otherwise. >> the record does not show that. the record shows that i'm right. when i did an interview howard
stern very lightly, first time anyone's asked me that. i said very fightly, i don't know, maybe, who knows, essentially. i then did an interview with kneel ka vogt vuto. we talked about the economy. i then spoke to sean hannity. everybody refuses to call sean hannity. i had numerous conversations with sean hannity. he said -- he called me the other day. he said you were totally against the war and he was for the war. and that was before the war started. sean hannity said to me and other people -- he is willing to say it but nub nobody wants to call him. he said you used to have fights with me, because sean was in favor of the war. i understand that side also not vch because we never should have been there. but nobody calls sean hannity. and then they did an article in a major magazine shortly after the war started.
i think inno 4 which had me totally against the war in iraq. and one of or come patriots said whether it was before or after -- i'll ask the press, if somebody would call up sean handity, this was before the war started. he and i used to have arguments about the war. i said it is a terrible and stupid thing. it's going to destabilize the middle east and that's exactly what it has been. >> my reference was 2002 and my question the why is your judgment different than mrs. clinton. >> i have much better judgment. no question about that i also have a much better temperament than she has. i have a much better -- she spent -- let me tell you. she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising -- they get madison avenue into a. radio, they put names. every thorment. i think my strongest asset by
far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. she does not. >> second clean. >> wait. the af -- cio the other day. behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking about, mrs. clinton, but you were totally out of control, i said there's a person with a techerment that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> w whrks ew, okay. let's talk about two person issues that were briefly mentioned by donald. first, nato, nato as a military alliance has something called article 5 and basically it says this, an attack on one is an attack on all. the only time it has ever been invoekted, after 9/11. when the 28 nations of nato said that they would go to afghanistan with us to fight terrorism, something that they still are doing by our side. with respect to iran, when i
became secretary of state, iran was week away from having enough nuclear material to form a bomb. they had mastered the nuclear fuel cycle under the bush administration. they had built covert facilities. they had stocked them with centrifuges that were whirling away. and we had sanctions them. i voted for every sanction against iran when i was in the senate. but it wasn't enough. so i spent a year and a half putting together a coalition that included russia and china to impose the toughest sanctions on iran. and we did drive them to the negotiating table. and my successor john kerry and president obama got a deal that put a lid on iran's nuclear program. without firing a single shot. that's diplomacy. that's coalition building. that's working with other nations. the other day, i saw donald saying that there were some
iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of iran, and they were taunting american sailors who were on a nearby ship. he said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, i'd blow them out of the water and start another war. that's -- >> that would not start a war. >> that's bad judgment. that's not the right temper men to be commander in chief, to be taunted. >> they were taunting us. >> the worst part of what i heard done say has been about nuclear weapons. he said repeatedly he didn't care if other nations got nuclear weapons, japan, south korea, even saudi arabia. it has been the policy of the united states, democrats and republicans torque do everything we could to reduce the proliferation of nuclear weapons. he even said you know if there were nuclear war in east asia, well, you know, that's fine. >> wrong. >> have a good time, folks. >> that's lies. >> and in fact, his cavalier
attitude about nuclear weapons is so deeply troubling. that is the number one threat we face in the world. and it becomes particularly threatening if terrorists ever get their hands on any nuclear material. so a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not have his fingers anywhere near the nuclear codes. >> that line is getting a little bit old. >> it is a good one, though. well describes the problem. >> it's not an accurate one at all. it's not an accurate one. i just want to -- she just gave a lot of things. just to respond. i agree with her on one thing. the single greatest problem the world has nuclear armament, nuclear weapons. not global warming like you think, and your president thinks. nuclear is the single greatest threat. just to go down the list, we defend .gentleman, we defend
germany. we defense south korea, we defense saudi arabia, we defend countries. they do not pay us what they should be paying us because we are providing is service and we are losing. we lose on everything. we are loosing a fortune. i say it's possible if they don't pay a fair sure because this isn't 40 years ago where we could do what we are doing. we can't defend japan a behemot selling us cars by the million. >> we have to move on. >> all i said they may hoff to help us out. as far as the nuclear is concerned i agree, it is the single greatest threat that this country has. >> which leads to my next question as we enter our last segment still on the subject of securitying america, president
obama considered changing the long standing policy on first use. do you support the current policy, two minutes. >> i have to say what secretary clinton was saying about nuclear with russia. she is cavalier the way she talks about various countries. but raus has been expanding. they have a much newer capability than we do. we have not been updating from the new standpoint. i looked the other night. i was seeing b-52s old enough that your father or grandfather could be flying them. we are not keeping up withen other countries. i would like everybody to end it, just get rid of it. but i would certainly not do first strike. i think that once the nuclear alternative happens, it's over. at the same time, we have to be prepared. i can't take anything off the table. because you look at some of these countries, you look at north korea, we are doing nothing there. china should solve that problem for us. shoin should go into north
korea. china is totally powerful as it relates to north korea. another one powerful is the worst deal that i have ever seen negotiated the rab deal. iran has power over north korea. and when they made that horrible deal with iran, they should have included the fact that they do something with respect to north korea. and they should have done something with respect to yemen and all these other places. when secretary kerry was asked why didn't you add other things into the deal one of the great giveaways of all time. including $400 million in cash. nobody has ever seen that before. that turned out to be wrong. it was actually $1.7 billion in cash. obviously, i guess for the hostages. it certainly looks that way. so you say to yourself, why didn't they make the right deal? this is one of the worst deals ever made by any country in
history. the deal with iran will lead to nuclear problems. all they have to do is set back ten years and they don't have to do much in and they are going to end up getting mu clear. i met with netanyahu. believe me, he is not a happy catcher. >> mrs. clinton, secretary clinton, you have two minutes. >> let me start by saying words matter. words matter when you run for president and they really matter when you are president. and i want to reassure our allies in japan and south korea and elsewhere this we have mutual defense treaties and we will honor then. it is essential that mark's word be good. and so i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. i have talked with a number of them. but i want to, on behalf of myself and i think on behalf of a majority of the american
people, say that, you know, our word is good. it's also important that we look at the entire global situation. there's no doubt that we have other problems with iran. but personally i'd rather deal with the other problems having put that lid on their nuclear program than still to be facing that. and donald tells you what he would do. would he have started a war? would he have bombed iran? if he is going to criticize a deal that has been very successful in giving us access to iranian facilities that we never had before, then he should tell us what his alternative would be. but it is like his plan to defeat isis. he say it is a secret plan. but the only secret is that he has no plan. so we need to be more precise in how we talk about these issues. people around the world follow our presidential campaigns so closely, trying to get hints
about what we will do, can they rely on us? are we going to lead the world with strength and in accordance to our values. that's what i intend to do. i intend to be a leader that people can count on, here and around the world that will furtherer peace and prosttate patient and also stand up to billys, whether abroad or at home. we cannot let those who would team to destabilize the world to be given opportunities at all. >> two minutes. >> lester one thing i would like to say. >> very quickly. >> i will go very quickly. hillary will tell you to go to her website and read all about isis which she could have defeated by never having it get going in the first place. right now it's getting tougher and tougher to defeat them because author in more and more
places, more and more states, more and more nations. >> mr. trump -- >> it is a big problem. and as far as japan is concerned, i want to help all of our allies, but we are losing billions and billions of dollars. we cannot be the policemen of the world. we cannot protect countries all over the world when they are not paying us what they need. she doesn't say thate because she has no business ability. we needert that, we need a lot of things. you need to have business ability. sadly she doesn't have that. all the things she has been talking about could have been taken care of over the last ten years when she had great power but they weren't. >> mr. trump, secretary clinton became the first woman nominated by major party. last month she said she doesn't have quote a presidential look". what did you mean.
>> she doesn't have the look. i said she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. i don't believe she has the stamina. >> the quote was you don't think she has a presidential look. >> wait a minute. you asked me a question. did you ask me a question? you have to be able to negotiate your trade deals. you have to be able to negotiate, that's right, with japan, with saudi arabia. i mean, can you imagine, we are defending saudi arabia and with all the money they have we are defending them and they are not paying. all you have to do is speak to them. you have so many different things you have to be able to do. and i don't believe that hillary has the stamina. >> let's let her respond. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a ceasefire, a release of dissidents and openings of new operations and opportunities all over the world and or spend 11
hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> the world -- let me till. let me tell you. hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. we have made so many bad deals during the last -- so she's got experience, that i agree. but it's bad. bad experience. whether it's the iran deal that you are so in love with where we gave them $150 billion back, whether it's the iran deal, whether it's anything -- you almost can't name a good deal. i agree, she's got experience. but it's bad experience. and this country can't afford to have another four years of that kind of experience. >> we are at the -- we are at the final question. >> one thing, lester, is. >> we are at the final question now. >> he tried to switch from looks to stamina. but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to
employers. >> i never said that. >> who has said women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men. and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. donald, she has a name. >> where did you find this. >> lisa machado. and she has become a u.s. citizen. and you can bet she is going to vote this november. >> oh, really? okay. good. >> mr. trump, ten seconds. >> hillary is hitting with tremendous commercials. some of it said in entertainment. somebody who has been verbs to me, rosie o'donnell. i said tough things to her, and everybody would agree she
deserves and no one feels sorry for her. you want to know the truth, i was going to say something extremely rough to hillary and to her family. i said to myself, i can't doichlt i just can't do it. it's inappropriate, it's not nice. but she spend hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. they are untrue. and they are misrepresentations. and i will tell you this, lester, it's not nice, and i don't -- i don't deserve that. but it's certainly not a nice thing that she's done. et cetera a hundreds of millions of ads. and the only gratifying thing is i saw the polls come in today and with all of that money, over $200 million spend. >> we have to go to the final question. >> and i'm either winning or tied. >> one of you will not win this election. my final question to you tonight, are you willing to accept the outcome as the will of the voters, to you, secretary clinton. >> i support our democracy.
sometimes you win. sometimes you lose. but i certainly will support the outcome of this election. and i know donald's trying very hard to plant doubts about it but i hope the people out there understand, this election is really up to you. it's not about us so much as it is about you and your families and the kinds of country and future you want. i sure hope you will get out and vote as though your future depended on it, because i think it does. >> mr. trump very quickly, same question, will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters? >> i want to make america great again. we are a nation that is seriously troubled. we are losing our jobs. people are pouring into our country. the other day we were deporting 800 people and perhaps they passed the -- pressed the wrong button or perhaps worse than that it was corruption, but these people we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. ended up becoming citizens. and it was 800. and now it turns out it might be
1800 and they don't even know. >> will you accept the outcome of the election? >> i want to make america great again. i am going to be able to do it. i don't believe hillary will. the answer is if she wins i will absolutely support her. >> that concludes our debate this evening. a spirited one. we covered a lot of ground. not everything. the next presidential debates are scheduled for october 9th at washington university in st. louis. and october 19th at the university of nevada, las vegas. the conversation will continue. a reminder, the vice presidential debate is scheduled for october 4th at longwood university in farmville, virginia. my thanks to hillary clinton and to donald trump and to hofstra university for hosting us tonight. good night, everyone. >> as anticipated, a highly contention debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. clearly living up to the billing, at times very, very
contention. full of interruptions on some of the most important issues. it get pretty personal very, very quickly. especially at the end. you heard that exchange. jake tapper, your thoughts? >> i thought that -- let me say the nice things first. i thought that donald trump at the beginning of the debate, when he stuck with his broad themes, that politicians have gotten us into the place we're in, that the trade deals are bad, that we are losing here, we are losing there and why would you trust somebody who has been there for 30 years? i thought those first 3020 minutes, half hour of the debate he was really doing well. the other hour plus of the debate, not so much. i thought that he took the bait every time hillary clinton tried to tempt him into going off message and everything he really shouldn't have been spending much time talking about. he took it every time echl went
into the weeds over issues whether whether or not he opposed the war in iraq. he talked about private conversations he had with a cable news host on a different channel. there were so many different things when he took the bait. and i thought her last hour was very strong. >> dana, what were your reactions? did these two candidates achieve what they had hoped? >> it's unclear. i'll tell you just the doing reporting and talking to first of all the trump campaign. they feel that he got across his simple declarative messages about what his whole campaign has been about. he is an outsider. she is an insider. yes, she has the experience, but that experience hasn't gotten far enough and hasn't gotten people far enough who are still hurting in this country. so they are kinds of trying to take the big picture on that. as far as hillary clinton's campaign, wolf, they feel very good, that they poked some holes in his central theme and his
central attempt to engage -- successful attempt according to the polls to engage with so many working class voters, which is that maybe he's not what you think. he doesn't pay potentially federal taxes like you have to. he doesn't play by the same rules that you do. and of course the birther issue, they feel that they really got him on, without a real explanation for why he all of a sudden after five years since the president has released his birth certificate suddenly says okay fine he was born in the united states, didn't really give a real answer on that. so on hillary clinton's side, they really feel that she drove the conversation for a lot of this debate. and as jake said, that donald trump was on the defensive. >> john king, were minds changed as a result of this debate? >> if you were a trump supporter you liked him making the case
about jobs, about trade deals, blaming hillary clinton and barack obama for things that are wrong in the economy. if you are a clinton supporter, she didn't lose any support. what are we talking about, millennials and a swath of people undecided. i think on the birther issue, and denying climb change on the women's issues, he took the bait on some of the issues the clinton campaign believes will help them with independents and soft moderate republicans who they hope to pick up in the suburbs. i agree with jake on the beginning. trump came in, we need change, she can't make a difference, she need somebody new. preparation does matter. she watched all the video of the primary debates, when you quote his words back to him he gets
defensive. he did take the bait on those attacks. >> he was strong in the beginning when he was talking about trade deals. he seemed like somebody who cared about the issue. he named states where trade deals hurt the neighborhoods, the manufacturing base, ohio and pennsylvania and she did seem like somebody defending the stat us quo. that was the first half hour. the rest of it she showed mastery of issues a nuanced take on things and it was unbelievable. she would say something just to dangle out like a piece of meat in front of a rapid wolf and he would go for it every single time, completely off message. he listed every single time he -- even times he didn't argue against going to war in iraq. he did a kneel cavuto interview, then he did this, then he did that. then there was an article in --
>> there is no record of him opposing the iraq war before the invasion. he continued to tell lester holt he was lying. he was not lying. there was no record -- >> and he provided no contrary facts, not one. >> he throughout this campaign and tonight has had a casual relationship with the truth. when we do the fact checking, in terms of the statements were clearly whoers, there will be more on his list than hers. >> there were discussions on issues on important measures. she clearly got under his skin and donald trump reacted. >> he could have talked more about the e-mail scandals than he did about his taxes. he did, like a paragraph on the e-mail, but then he kept on talking about his taxes. and at one point see said maybe you didn't pay any taxes. >> that's smart. >> that's smart.
and then he said something about the $20 trillion national debt. see said maybe that's because you don't pay your part. he said if i did it would be quon derd, almost conceding her point. >> a fascinating debate. i want to get a quick response from everybody on our panel, just initial perceptions. gloria? >> i think i agree with jake that at the beginning of the debate when donald trump was on trade, he is on terra firma. then i think he totally lost control of the debate and i think hillary clinton controlled the debates. on tax. on the question of birther. on the iraq war. and at the very end, this question of stamina, when she is charges of miss on gee were raised against him he start just attacking rosie o'donnell which was the first time she has been mentioned in a presidential debate. >> many of the things he talked
about were things he brought up in pretty much every debate he has been in or if you have seen his stump speech. >> we heard people from the trump camp some our of of our friends saying let trump be trump. trump was trump and it wasn't good for him. what he needed to do was to show something more. was to not chase the rabbits down the hole but add something to people's understanding of his ability to do this job. i think this was a terrible night for him. it turns out prep matters, experience mattered and it showed tonight. >> the split screen image of her standing there firmly, him sniffling a lot. he was drinking a lot of water.his facial expressions. it was clearly, i thought early on that he was rattled and it showed. and there were times when she was just happy to let him go four or five layers deep into birtherism. go four or five layers deep into his taxes and just sit there and
let it flow because he was just digging a hole. >> there were times i wondered if she was making the calculation do i jump in or let this go. and it soemgs like she was letting it go. >> he wore on his sleeve before the debate his lack of preparation. and it caught up with him tonight. and i think to david's point there were easily managed answers that he blew as a result. one that stands out in my mind, he was asked about the 1973 charges of discrimination on housing. he said i volume taird terrell settled that case. he should have said we never discriminated, and i voluntarily settled the case. >> law enforcement is thes not the answer to how do you improve
race relations. not stop and frisk. you talk about the need to build bridges. >> there were two devastating moments. one was the birther discussion which was an absolute disaster ending with him after side discussions about patty doyle and sydney bloomenthal, he ends up excoriate, hillary clinton for not being kind enough to barack obama who is her chief supporter and made her secretary of state. >> let's play part of exchange because we have patty solace doyle who donald trump mentioned in a cnn interview. lets play the exchange. >> simple to say. sydney bloomenthal works for the campaign and close -- very close friends of secretary clinton. and her campaign manager, patty doyle, went to, during the campaign, her campaign against
president obama, fought very hard, and you can go look it up and you can checket out. and if you look at cnn this past week, patty solis doyle was on wolf blitzer saying that this happened. bloomenthal sent mclatchy, highly respected reporter at mclatchy to kenya to find out about it. they were pressing it very hard. she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. it got him to give the birth certificate. >> just listen to what you heard. and clearly, as donald just admitted he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage and lester holt was going to be asking us questions. so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that easily. he has really started his
political activity based on this racist lie that our first black president was not an american citizen. feel like woody allen and annie haul where he is on the line where he says i has been to have marshal mcclure right here. i happen to have patty doyle right here. is that what you said on cnn? >> no. it is absurd. it is absurd what donald trump just said. i never sent anyone to kenya. >> what he said, there was a staffer, not sure whether she was paid or not. >> here's what happened. there was a volunteer in late '07. >> volunteer on the clinton campaign. >> on the clinton campaign who forwarded an e-mail about obama's heritage saying she was a muslim. we found out about it. i fired him. i called you david fluff and apologized. >> from the obama campaign.
>> his campaign manager because we didn't want to run that kind of campaign. that's called shutting it down, ladies and gentlemen. that's not called trafficking in or promoting it or perpetuating it. that's called shutting it down. >> there was an allegation from someone from mclatchy that bloomenthal promoted this story to mclatchy. >> sydney denied that and sydney never worked for our campaign. >> van, what did you think? then we'll go to the trump supporters. >> let's not get too excited. we have said on many nights donald trump has destroyed himself, donald trump is done. and like jason, he comes back again. but i will say this. the momentum was all in donald trump's direction. and i think hillary clinton, inarguably stopped the momentum tonight. and i think that she -- you said earlier, neil, you nailed it. there need to be some go get
them girl moments. >> i have got jump in. dana -- >> my question for you is first of all, it sounds like you admitted that you hadn't paid federal taxes and that was smart. is that what you meant to say? >> i didn't say that at all. if they say i didn't it doesn't matter. i will say, this i hate the way our government spends our taxes because they are wasting our money. they don't know what they are doing. they are running so poorly. whether it's spent in iraq or wherever they are spending it they are wasting our money. so i do hate the way our government spends our money. >> patty solis doyle just said on cnn that she didn't -- >> i got see that on wolf blitzer. >> in terms was she was explaining what happened because she was there. and she said what she fired a volunteer for was trafficking saying he was a muslim not about birtherism. >> why don't you see the reporter from mclatchy, speak to sydney bloomenthal because he is
never going to tell you the truth. why don't you take a look at what she said to wolf blitzerer. >> did you take the bait, did you take hillary clinton's bait. >> i was proud that i was able to get him to put up his birth certificate and hillary clinton failed. she can't bring it home. she will fail with jobs and fail all the way along the line. i think she proved that
kind of campaign hillary wanted to run or we as a staff wanted to run that i called david pluff who was obviously managing barack obama's campaign in '07 to apoll siogize and say it was coming from us, it was a rogue volunteer coordinator and this was not the kind of campaign we wanted to run. david very graciously accepted my apology. >> so that's what donald trump is originally referring to. anything more on this? again, he brought up sidney blumenthal. your response to that is? >> sidney never wokd for us. >> but he is very close to secretary clinton and was part of the foundation. >> he never worked for our campaign. >> his larger point is this. the idea of president obama somehow being and other originated with hillary clinton's campaign. >> no, it did not. >> in fact, it was called the
sleesyest moment sle sleaziest moment. it was called by barack obama dirty tricks. this idea it started with the campaign is true. >> one at a time. >> let's move on and talk about isis and talk about jobs because it does a disservice to the american people to linger on this. >> he wants to continue to talk about this. >> he doesn't. >> again, have to bear personal witness to this. i was there. this was not a big effort that was launched by the clinton campaign, but i also was there in the white house when donald trump pressed this issue for years after, even after the president released his birth certificate. the bigger issue is do you think it is profitable in a presidential debate for him to be getting into the weeds about patti solis doyle and sidney blumenthal and rosy o'donnell? because i don't. >> she has a question.
>> he wants to move on. he said at the end let's talk about isis and jobs, but let's back up. what we saw tonight was a real person acting this early about things that happened. what you saw on the other side was a scripted politician who instead of being out on the campaign trail for two weeks shaking hands and talking to voters, was calculating every single word we saw tonight. >> there were 320 million real people in america, but one of these people -- >> who would all do better than our all-talk, no action, sounds good politicians. >> but let me ask a question though. do you not -- and i don't know the answer to this. as president don't you want somebody who thinks very, very, very carefully about the words they say? because as president doesn't the words you say have global impact, potentially, you know, policy-changing impact around the world? zblur. >> sure, i want somebody who thinks carefully and i think donald trump does. but he reacts the way average
people do. >> you want an average person in the white house. >> he is not an average person. he created a $10 billion brand and he didn't do it by flying off the handle. he did it by negotiating sensitive deal with world leaders. he understands blue collar workers in the middle class far more than hillary clinton. >> jeffrey, we haven't heard from you. >> in terms of the clinton campaign spreading rumors barack was or the other, i want to read a line from the international business times. said monday false rumors he was a muslim were, quote, moved along by hillary clinton staffers in 2008. they're talking about -- >> now, let me say, here is the deal. what if i grant you that? what if i say you are -- >> you don't have to grant me. grant reggie love. >> i will grant you. so what? are you saying that donald trump is so feeble-minded that he has to follow the leadership of some nobody clinton staffer?
it's been five years. >> governor obama accused hillary clinton personally of this. >> guys, nobody -- listen. >> he was his body man. he was the guy who carried his bags and stuff. >> so he says he was standing right there. he was the campaign manager, let's let him speak. >> let's not get carried away here. the fact of the matter is that donald trump carried this. he was the chief proponent of this argument for years until last week, and that's undeniable. i don't even think i agree with you guys, let's move on, but you don't think he did himself a service tonight. >> overall -- >> i just think it was very exciting overall, dana. i thought the outset was great. you walk on, you don't know exactly what to expect. based on all of the online polls we did tremendously well. >> you haven't had a real poll yet. >> but the online polls were fantastic. you get it, 100s of thousands of peoples are calling in voting and you have 80%, 90%.
you saw it. >> anything you wish you did differently? >> no, i'm very happy i was able to hold back on the -- you know, on the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton because i have a lot of respect for chelsea clinton, and i just didn't want to say what i was going to say in front -- >> which is? >> which is i'll tell you maybe at the next debate. but i'm very happy with -- >> what about her big moment that she clearly thought that she had in saying she was preparing for the debate just like she's preparing to be president? >> well, i think she would be a poor president. i don't think she would do the job. we need somebody that's going to really be able to do the job. she doesn't have what it takes to make america great again. but we'll see how it all goes. you see the polls, you see wh what's going, how we're doing. we're going to make america great again. our country is in such trouble, whether it is immigration, whether it is our jobs being taken, whether it is our factories closing all over the country, whether it is our military that has been so sadly
depleted, we have -- >> did it go how you thought it was going to go? >> i think it went better. >> no, i loved it. >> [ inaudible ] next debate. >> okay. so we've had a lot of people saying they think trump did terribly. that's what i want to hear. what is your perspective? >> right out of the gate he was after her on trade, to the point he hit her so hard that she, you know, started to flip-flop on all of this sort of thing. let me just add the trump campaign put out a list of these tweets, but still in all they're tweets from significant people in "the washington post," the "new york times," et cetera, saying that they thought he was doing a terrific job here. my point to you is, number one, whatever we think about the birtherism thing, i genuinely do not believe people in america who are looking forward and concerned about their healthcare, their jobs, taxes, et cetera, give a wick about it. >> overall how do you think donald trump did vest us hillary clinton? >> i thought he was great. he particularly pursued the
business of being the outsider, the rebellion against the standard politician. >> gloria. >> the birther thing, it is the predicate on which his political career was based for five years. he rode that issue to national celebrity after "the apprentice," and it was part of the issue that -- it was the issue that catapulted him. secondly, on the tax issue, i think the problem he had is that when hillary clinton started talking about it as a bait and switch, not releasing your taxes, et cetera, and she made it very personal. she said, that means zero for troops, zeer ro for vets, zero schools, zero for healthcare. and then he said, that makes me smart during the campaign. >> that's an -- >> that he didn't pay his taxes. then she said, well, what are you trying to hide? and i think that that answer resonates with people who say, wait a minute, why am i a chump? i'm paying all of this money for
schools, vets, et cetera. and when you're president it is different. >> van. >> and there was a similar moment where i thought he made a tremendous mistake where basically the stiffing of the vendors. >> yes, yes. >> that's smart, that's business. >> business, correct. >> he actually created two ads you will see within 12 hours tonight which i think was a big mistake. we keep talking about him as if he was the only person there. hillary clinton did stuff that was good tonight. can we give her a little bit of credit? first of all she wandered into the thicket of race and handled it really well. she talked about the criminal justice issues really well, talked about the private prisons, stuff you haven't heard on the stage for a national candidate ever, and she handled that really well. also, i think it was important that to the extent that personality matters and that sort of stuff matters, you never saw her get so defensive, and that was a part of why i think she was able to continue to carry forward.
she was prepared and he was not. >> also, i'm curious to know, van, your perspective on when donald trump, when the question was about improving, you know, race issues in america, and donald trump talked about law and order. i'm wondering how that -- >> well, before he got to law and order he said we all live in hell. black people live in hell. >> no, he said inner cities, that's very different. no, play it back, he said inner cities. >> no, he said -- the question was about race, it wasn't about urban issues, it was about race, and he talks about black people living in hell. that's not good. but then he talks about this law and order thing and continues to praise and race this question of stop-and-frisk. i want to end the mythology right now. that program actually was not effective. burglaries did not go down. robberies did not go down. what it did end, frankly, if all they had done was taken guns away from drug dealers people would probably have been happy. what they did was they stopped thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent african-american -- >> like roughly 90% i think of the people stopped were
african-american or people of color, and also had no -- had not done anything wrong. >> a fraction of a percent had done anything wrong. what did it do? it created this ill will. for him to say he wants more stop-and-frisk and he wants better relations does not go together. i got to tell you, donald trump has botched an opportunity to reach out to the african-american community. the african-american community is willing to hear someone speak to us about our pain but not in the way he does it, the disrespectful way he does it. >> what he said tonight is very effective. >> to who? >> which is you're going to hear this kind of talk because, guess what, it is an election year, and you're going to hear the same promises hillary clinton has been making for 30 years that failed to materialize. that was an effective time. she has had 30 years. she is talking the sweet talk, but where are the actions up that follow up on the talk. >> i wondered who we would see on donald trump, he who stood on the stage with the mention cal president and seemed presidential, as if he was an individual of sta tour, or the
individual later that night in phoenix at a rally and was vintage trump. i think she predetermined which of the trumps we would see tonight because early on she used the words trumped, she said he rooted for the housing crisis and got a loan from his dad, all in the first ten or so minutes at a point where he stressed the fact he was calling her secretary clinton. i think at a certain point she pushed his buttons and caused him to become the individual he didn't want to become, and the split screen was not to his satisfaction. >> the thing i find, if i can make a prosaic, political consultant point, all of this was predictable. we heard jeffrey talk about the exchange between ronald reagan and walter mondale in 1984 when there were questions about reagan's age and capacity and he had the line about i'm not going to take advantage of my opponent's relative youth and inexperience. that was anticipated. he knew that that was an issue
and he prepared for it. everyone knew some of these issues were going to come up. >> right. >> and yet donald trump wasn't prepared for it. it is inexplicable to me, it is malpractice. you should stop -- i think ronald reagan was one of the great practitioners of all time so we shouldn't deny great him by performing his performance to donald trump. >> let me call to your attention, everybody, the 1980 carter/reagan debate in cleveland, i am looking at the paper the day after from the cleveland paper. cart area and reagan trade punches but both on their feet at the bell. each leave without errors. shortly the polls went up for ronald reagan because the american people thought he won it. >> you know why. i'm probably one of the only other persons on this platform old enough to remember it as you are. his numbers went up because there was a question about ronald reagan, is he too extreme, is he dangerous. with his performance you
assuaged people's concerns about him. donald trump had the opportunity tonight and missed the opportunity. >> my point is the media reaction was it was a draw or in some cases that carter had won. and it turned out to be the other way. >> listen, we've been wrong about donald trump. >> that's what i'm trying to say here. >> but i honestly believe as i look at these polls and i look at the people who he has yet to persuade, the thing that's been holding them back is does he have the temperament and does it have the mastery of basic substance to be president. >> i just think it was interesting raising the stamina issue when she didn't take a drink of water the entire 90 minutes. i was drinking a couple of bottles of water as was he. >> here's the deal. he raised the stamina. >> no, the moderator did, he didn't. >> he said it time and time again. >> he was asked a question. >> he fell for it, talked about stamina. he didn't talk about the looks, which probably was smart because it was offensive, but he talked about stamina, stamina.
he was sniffling, drinking water, he failed near the end. jeffrey and taylor, most people probably only watched the first 20 or 30 minutes and in those first 20 or 30 minutes he was very effective. he was very good on the trade stuff. that is a big weak spot for her. it is a big pain point in our party, and he was great. but he then got tricked off into this weird, bizarre stuff where he basically i think lost his way. let me say one more thing. it was very important for her to raise gender, it was important she raised it in the way she raised it, and think it was important for her to raise the fact that not only does he say insulting things to women he says insulting things to women of color, and i thought it was well-raised. >> and i loved the way that she used his words to say those things about women. she didn't -- you know, she used his words exactly, and that was very successful for her on the campaign trail when she did the foreign policy speech, and she just laid out everything he has said. she did it tonight. i think really the bottom line
is qualifications, experience and preparations matter, and it really matters when you are running for president. i think that's what we saw tonight. i loved her line when she said, yes, i did prepare for this debate and i also prepared to be president of the united states. that was -- >> that was the one thing that i wish she hadn't done -- >> i think it is a very important thing to discuss, but i think it went very well. >> sir, there was some confusion about how you answered the question about paying taxes. you have paid some federal taxes over the years? >> i said i hate the way our government spends our money. they take the money and throw it out the window whether it is in the middle east or wherever, but i hate how they spend our money. >> but you have paid federal taxes? >> of course i pay federal taxes. >> mr. trump, any doubt you will participate in the next two debates? >> no, it was a great experience for me. i think we got our point across. she is not going to make america great again. the one thing i see and i saw even more than i thought i would see is that she has been saying
these things for years and nothing ever happens. they never get fixed. it is all talk, no action. it is like all talk, and she's been saying the things we've been discussing and discussed up on the dais, she has been saying this for years, and all it is is talk. it never happens. to me that's very -- >> and when you were saying -- any regrets when you referred to the president as your president [ inaudible ]. >> everybody's president. he's the president, he's everybody's president. >> mr. trump -- >> i think we lost him on mike so let's go back to david. >> what i was saying was that i wish she had in places invoked the stories of real people to an mate the point she was making. she speaks sometimes in policy terms. >> it was interesting though the specific story she told about her father which she brought back in to try to use against donald trump. >> yes, she did, and mentioned her granddaughter at the
beginning. all of these problems she was talking about tonight have human faces across this country, and she's met these people and they've undoubtedly touched her, and she could have done a better job of bringing them into the discussion. >> i do think one of the criticisms of hillary clinton in august particularly was she let trump be trump too much and wasn't more assertive, and i did think you're right, at times she could have been more assertive. she could have gotten in there more, told these stories. it seemed like she was listening to paul begala. she mentioned her granddaughter, her own father as well. i did think the anecdote at the end about the latina woman who donald trump named up mrs. housekeeper, that is something that i had never heard and is disturbing. i think the birther thing, to go back to that, think the problem with the birther thing -- it isn't that it hurts black people's feelings. it is that it proves to certain people that donald trump was willing to embrace a racist conspiracy theory to advance his
own political agenda, and that has all sorts of implications of how you would gov and frame issues. that was the problem and she got at that. >> except, of course, this charge having been raised against five white guys including one silting president and all republicans. it is not a racist, maybe a crazy theory. i thought barack obama was born in hawaii, but lots of democrats in 1881 were saying chester alan arthur was born in canada. >> you guys always say that. there you go again. >> but, dan, it is about equality of treatment for presidents and presidential candidates. >> should be should end up with chester arthur -- >> exactly. >> first of all, i did not know any of the things you said until you started educating the country about these other instances, and there's a reason for that. because it didn't actually matter in those days the way that it matters now. context matters. the same thing you do 100 years from now, if you do it today it
will land differently. think you know in your heart that the way this was received and the way it was driven had racial implications. here is what i love about you. you give us these history lessons, but part of what you often do is try to normalize things that actually are abnormal. in this situation the way this president was treated on this issue was abnormal. >> it is not. >> after the birth certificate -- the birth certificate was produced five years ago and he is still on it. >> van, have you heard about ted cruise and donald trump questioning his ability. >> also latina. >> he asked a question of a politician which every citizen has to do. donald trump did it. he got the answer and moved o i think we are overlooking -- >> and the five white guys. >> we are overlooking the key moments of tonight's debate when we saw the prosecution live before our eyes when donald trump pushed hillary clinton to the point of having to say, i'm for nato despite saying i'm
against. i did call south korea a great trade deal and now i'm against it. we saw a prosecution of a politician that will play well. >> brianna kieler is standing by. >> i'm here with john podesta of hillary clinton's campaign. you feel confident hillary clinton won the debate, but i wonder what are you planning on seizing on when it comes to what donald trump said tonight? >> well, first of all, brianna, i think that he came unprepared. he had no real plans for the future. i think the debate on the economy was all ours. i think that she laid out very clear plans about an economy that was built that focused on the middle class, building the middle class, creating good jobs, creating the support that families need like child care and paid family leave, and think he had nothing to say about it. i think we want to keep running at that. and i think he dug himself deeper by repeating untruths and falsehoods. >> specifically which one?
if you are cutting an ad, what are you grabbing? >> well, he did -- i mean the fact that he supported the iraq war at the beginning has been fact checked 1,000 times, and he keeps telling the lies about that. he was dissembling in his approach. i think his explanation of why he wouldn't release his tax returns was a low moment for him, and i think people want to know what is his hiding in those tax returns. i think we'll continue to press that issue. but mostly we want to talk to the american people about improving their lives, and i thought that's the place where there was really a tremendous difference. she had something to say and he had really nothing to say. he was running down the country, but he didn't have anything to say about how he's going to improve people's lives. >> donald trump has repeatedly said, and to some effect during this debate, hillary clinton's been in public service for years and years. he repeated this over and over. polls show voters want change. he was making the case that
she's not a candidate of change. are you worried voters agree with him? >> in january voters are going to get change. there will be a new president in the white house. the question is what kind of change do we have? do we want to go back to trickle down economics where all of the tax breaks go to the wealthy and the middle class gets left in the dust as they did in the great recession? do we want to go back to punishing women for exercising their reproductive rights? that's the kind of change he is promising. i don't think people want that. i think she is promising positive change, to get the economy working for the middle class, to deal with the pressing problems that the country is facing. and when it came, i think, to the elements on national security there was one person who looked like they could assume the role of commander-in-chief, and that was not donald trump. >> john podesta, thank you so much. anderson, back to you. >> all right. brianna, thanks very much. we want to play a number of some
of the key moments from this debate tonight. we're obviously going to replay the debate i think at 1:00 a.m. but let's play the discussion they had about judgment. >> i think my strongest asset maybe by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament, i know how to win. >> secretary clinton -- >> way, the aflcio behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> whee! okay. do you think -- i mean it was interesting to see them both in split screen. do you think -- i mean clearly secretary clinton maybe is more used to being in that split screen, used to being on camera all the time, but she certainly seemed to respond differently than donald trump did in their split screen.
did you see that? >> of course she did, because she spent two weeks, a month away from the american people practicing at a podium in her house instead of talking to the people. that's what she was doing. what you saw tonight was a perfect mannequin politician, as good as they come, versus a real american citizen who took advantage of the american dream, built a $10 billion brand and has a proven track record of success. there was a clear differentiation. >> i think it was interesting how the first time secretary clinton kind of poked him on inheriting, i don't know, $14 million from his father, whatever it is, that clearly bothered him and he actually went back to it. did it surprise you, van, that he was so ensnared in every detail she would bring up? >> no. >> because it seemed such an obvious attempt on her part to do it and it seemed to work every time. >> listen, donald trump's great strength when he's on is his ability to stay connected to the american people, to be right there with their pain, their frustration, sometimes to bring out the dark part of it, to be right there. what she was able to do was to
bait him into worrying about himself, and when he does that, for some people i think it is great because -- for most people he is losing the plot and he is losing the country. that's why i think that last part, he was great in the beginning but he faded because of that. >> the big picture question, and i love analyzing every one of these answers like everyone else, but take a step back and ask yourself who grew the tent tonight. i don't think he lost support, i just don't see where he gained anything. i think she stands the prospect of having gained because of that split screen because she did probably practice, rehearse and looked more presidential than he because he was volatile in those moments. he was trying to explain that he had the temperament, yet his volatility kept rising. >> i don't think -- >> note to debate preppers if he preps, don't get peevish about your temperament. >> i think if you take a step back, when i was listening to him i kept thinking he sounded
more like a real estate guy sometimes when he said, oh, my friends say 650 million in lef ranch de leveraged debt is not a lot and talked about mar-a-lago in terms of integrating the club. but talked about in terms of the wealthy circles he inhabits rather than a potential president of the united states where you have to kind of leave your real estate hat. oh, i didn't -- maybe i didn't pay taxes because, you know, real estate taxes, you can fiddle with, and that was smart of me. and take it to a presidential level where -- which is where hillary clinton was when she said, no healthcare, no veterans, benefits, you didn't support all of that. i don't think that transition was obvious at all. >> i think hillary clinton was trying to talk to middle class voters she repeatedly went back to that, talked about -- i think the term she was trying to get in the vernacular is trumped up trickle down. i don't know if it is going to fire or not.
she tried it twice. >> yeah, not a bumper sticker. >> he seemed to mention the middle class a handful of times but he didn't make a concerted effort. >> yeah, i don't think he did. and he also, i think, just -- you know, i think going in he was the one who understood television better and was someone who surrounded by people who understand television like roger ailes but he didn't connect, right? he looked peevish, he was looking away from the camera. kayla, you say he's been around the country meeting people and changing hands, it didn't seem like that. seemed like he was on stage by himself defending his business record, defending birtherism, not talking about the pain and stories of people he has met. >> i think we have to give him that there were moments he did connect because a lot of people out there feel economic frustrations, and he ar tech lated them. those moments were few and far between. >> let's check back with wolf. more from our panel and more key moments from the debate ahead.
wolf. >> anderson, both trump and clinton were vying for undecided voters in this election. how did they do? we have a group of undecided voters in the key state of florida. they've been watching the debate. let's get to pamela brown in orlando, florida for us. pamela, these voters tell you there's a clear winner tonight. what do they say? >> reporter: that's right. they say that the clear winner is hillary clinton. 18 out of the 20 undecided voters here in this key battleground state of florida say hillary clinton won, too, for donald trump. i want to show the crowd here and get a word or phrase in how you would describe hillary clinton's performance tonight. >> she was very prepared. >> even keeled. >> measured. >> knowledgeable. >> promising. >> predictable. >> so you actually think donald trump won the debate. you thought that he had the better performance. why is that? >> well, it is not that he won
the debate, but he did what i expected him to do and hillary didn't answer any of the questions i have about her, any of the -- really things that i see as troubling as far as voting for her, as far as i know what i know about trump. >> so before this debate we were talking and you actually -- you actually were leaning more toward donald trump but now you're leaning toward hillary clinton. why is that? >> like i said, she was very well-prepared. her attitude seemed to be more in the caris matter side. she took more control of the situation. so i feel she owned this debate compared to what donald trump has done in the past. he doesn't seem to be solid in what he -- you know, his material. so i feel that this time around she was -- you know, she just pretty much had solid information compared to what she's had in the past. >> reporter: and i want to go to a bernie sanders supporter here,
undecided voter. you wanted to come in here and hear a populous message during the debate. did you hear that? >> no, i didn't. i felt that's what donald trump needed to do to pick up millennial bernie supporters at least, was to come across as very for the people. i wanted to hear more talk about campaign finance reform, which neither of the candidates touched on, which was really disappointing to me. i feel hillary clinton did better in getting a more progressive message across with talking about clean energy and healthcare and affordable college, but it wasn't enough for me. >> reporter: and, cheryl, you really wanted to hear about the issues tonight. you wanted to learn from these candidates what they're going to do for you. did you hear what you wanted to hear? >> no. i was very disappointed. i don't know what either one of them plans to do towards medical costs, which are a huge concern in my life right now. things that affect a single parent. >> all right. so, wolf, overall in this group
of 20 undecided voters, they feel like hillary clinton performed better. she did have more high moments compared to donald trump. back to you, wolf. you know, i want to narrow in on one part of this debate that was a deciding factor for these voters. we measured their reactions as the candidates spoke. before we show you that moment, please take a look at the bottom of your screen. men's responses are in green, women in orange. when the lines go up, that means this group liked what it heard. if lines go down, that means the group didn't like a candidate's answer. now, take a look at that moment. watch this. i also have a much better temperament than she has, you know. i have a much better. she spent -- let me tell you, she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on an advertising -- you know, they get madison avenue into a room. oh, temperament, let's go after. i think my strongest asset maybe
by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. she does not have -- >> secretary clinton -- >> wait. the aflcio the other day, behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were totally out of control. i said, there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> all right. pamela, what about that moment? what about that moment that they didn't like? >> reporter: you know, i was watching the focus group here at the university of central florida during that moment, and a lot of you guys sort of laughed or shrugged. i want to know why that was, when donald trump said that he believes his strongest asset is temperament. why did you react that way? >> because his temperament is horrible. i mean all that he likes to do is just bad mouth his opponent. what's he going to do in a situation where, say, a foreign
government does something that he doesn't like? is he just going to go and push the button? >> but you actually thought that donald trump won this debate. >> well, i would like to think that he did because i think that he needs to bring a change to what we've been going through for the last eight years, maybe even before that. it is so political. i think we need to get away from the politics and get more into running the country as defensible entity that it is, and be a world leader. because if we're not the leader someone else is going to take over, and so we need to step up and do the job. >> reporter: all right. so a mix of opinions here with this group. some in this group have actually decided after watching this debate who they're going to vote for come november. you'll find out about that coming up. wolf. all right, pamela. thanks very much. you know, jake, it is interesting. 20 undecided voters in orlando,
central florida, a key area and key battleground state. 18 of the 20 thought that hillary clinton did a better job. >> and i saw a focus group on a different network, it was 16 for hillary, six for donald trump. look, as we've been discussing all night i thought his first chunk, the first 20 minutes, half an hour were strong. he was talking about the problems of the american people. he was talking about jobs going overseas. he was talking about bad trade deals. i thought that was strong. if he had kept that up, who knows. but in the clip we just played, that was donald trump complaining about negative ads run against him. the american people don't want to hear politicians get up there and complain about how unfair this process is or complain about negative ads against them. they want to know what is this person going to do for me. i felt like donald trump too often during this debate got knocked off what he wants to talk about and what he came into the spin room to try to talk about, which is politicians can't solve your problems, i can, and these are your problems, trade deals,
immigration, et cetera, but when he spends the time litigating his taxes, litigating whether or not the ads being run against him are fair, that's not -- it is not surprising that wouldn't resonate with a bunch of undecided voters in the all-important i-4 corridor in the battleground state of florida. that's not what they care about. they care about jobs. you heard some of them talking about there wasn't enough about rising healthcare costs. that's not a slam on lester holt who brought a lot of issues, but you can't talk about everything in 98 minutes. if he's taking advice from his advisers, he will be told, i am quite certain, focus on them, do not try to defend yourself. >> yeah. you know, 18 out of 20, that's a pretty impressive number, thought that she did a better job than he did. >> it certainly is impressive. and the thing that i find fascinating to your point, jake, is that my understanding is that was a big part of donald trump's
focus in his unconventional debate prep sitting around a table, talking about policy, talking about approach and strategy to this debate, meaning to stay on offense, to stay on the things he wants to talk about, and he did start to go there on she is just a politician, she is not anybody who has -- >> hold on for one moment because david challion, our political director. you have the results of this poll taken in the aftermath of this debate. >> i do. and we've done this before so let me give a few cautionary notes about the poll. okay. it is a poll of debate watchers, and so in our sample, this is a more clinton-friendly audience. those that tuned in tonight was a more clinton-friendly audience. let me give an example of this. this can't reflect the views of all-americans, it is just the views of a sample of people that watched the debate. this sample of debate watchers in the poll is 41% democratic,
26% republican. that's about 10 points more democratic and 2 points less republican than our typical national polls when we do the regular telephone survey of the country. so this definitely skews more democratic than a normal poll and it skews to a hillary clinton audience. keep that in mind as we now will reveal to you who won the debate according to this audience. overwhelmingly hillary clinton, 62% of americans, those that watched the debate tonight in this audience, said hillary clinton won compared to 27% who said trump won. again, this is of debate watchers and our sample definitely is more democratic than a normal poll, but that is an overwhelming victory among debate watchers we polled for hillary clinton. >> it certainly is, but you have caveats there, but there was a huge audience. we don't know how many people were watching. there were estimates maybe as many as 100 million were watching. that's a pretty big sample. >> if indeed that's the audience, there's no doubt about it.
this sample of the poll is 521 registered voters who watched the debate tonight. so we have a margin of error of about 4.5 points in there. just like when we saw on the democratic convention, more democrats watch the democratic convention, this sample of debate watchers skewed more democratic, and perhaps that is representative overall of who watched the debate tonight. >> your reaction, jake? >> think a lot of hillary clinton supporters felt really good about the performance tonight. i wouldn't be surprised if many trump supporters liked what they saw. we heard kayleigh mcenany and others who support donald trump saying he prosecuted the case against a career politician and he spoke his mind and fought for himself and defended himself. what i'm wondering about though is the undecided voters. we have a large number, a large percentage of voters according to polls who are either undecided or right now, or at least earlier tonight, were supporting -- thinking of
supporting one of the third party candidates, either gary johnson the libertarian or jill stein, the green party candidate. my question is how do they feel. we heard from a voter in that focus group pamela has who sounded to me, completely superficially and a huge generalization, but sounded like a green party supporter. she was talking about they didn't talk about campaign finance, she was disappointed. i'm not surprised she didn't hear what she wanted to hear and she still seemed kind of undecided. but what i am wondering about is all of those undecided voters, the 18 out of 20 who said they liked what hillary clinton had to say because she was talking about them. >> and that's really not only important to find out for us because that's an important demographic, but it is because that is the demographic that hillary clinton's campaign has been suffering the biggest with, the sort of underpinning of the obama coalition. the clinton campaign has been saying pretty candidly millennials are the ones they have to get back in the fold,
and they haven't been that successful. so if this debate helps with that, that is going to be a huge, huge win for them, even zeroing in that tightly on one demographic. >> dana, you just spoke with donald trump, he was walking around the spin room behind us. he thought he did great in that debate. isn't that what he told you? >> he did. he did think he did great, at least that's what he said and he said he expected to win the online polls. we will see what he says about that. but, you know, the thing about him is that -- the fact that he was here behind us in the spin room is -- i think it is unprecedented. we were used to it -- >> >> for a general election. >> exactly. we were used to it in the primary debates for him and other candidates to come out and talk, although i don't believe hillary clinton ever did. but for him to come out and be his own spinner is kind of remarkable, and it is just a reminder that he is his best
arguer. he is his best representative. there's nobody who does it better than him. watching him trailed by the people who were supposed to be the spinners in here, the people who run his campaign, his children, other people who normally would be the people who would kind of try to explain the parameters of what happened and try to set the tone going forward, it was him. >> yeah. but i will say that i mean the other interpretation of it other than he is his best advocate is that he didn't get his message out sufficiently in the 98 minutes of debate, and so he came here to reprosecute the case. and, in fact, you heard him more on message back here talking about hillary clinton's been there 30 years, she can't solve our problems, i can solve our problems, we need fresh thinking. you heard him say that more here in the spin room than you did in the last 60 minute of debate. >> that is true, but he was planning on coming here even before the debate started. >> interesting. >> probably because he knew he had to put a button on
everything he was saying. >> david, i've been coming to these spin rooms after presidential debates for a while. i don't remember when a presidential nominee -- i remember a lot of their top aides, their surrogates coming in to spin to explain why their candidate did a great job. do you remember when an actual nominee came in and tried to make the case? >> not in the general election, i can't remember that, because it is usually the candidates take the 90 minutes or so on stage to do their best to set the narrative after the debate, then then they leave it to aides to try to enforce the desired narrative they want. donald trump, i wasn't surprised he did this. it is part of the whole performance he had this evening. all of the conversation in advance of which donald trump would show up, the very same donald trump that we have been watching running for president for the past year is the one that showed up, did what he did during the primaries, came in here to make the case for him. i just didn't see any adjustment in what he's been doing because
he really believes obviously it's been working. he entered tonight in a tied race. >> except to say that he was -- i mean when you look -- we saw clips earlier tonight of him during some of the republican primary debates and when he was calling his rivals choke artists, basket case and little marco and this and that, he was much more restrained that way. i think he made an allusion to how he was going to bring up some of the clinton's marital difficulties but he didn't bring it up -- >> he just said that to me here in the spin room. >> yes, because chelsea clinton was there. so there was some restraint. i'm not saying anybody should be giving -- >> but he did say he might say it next time. >> he made an allusion to that, and now everybody is, what were you going to say. >> exactly. >> that was playing the media on that, dangling it out there the way he does. >> when he tweeted he was going to invite jennifer flowers to sit in the front row, he was dangling that way as well. he offered a good tease for the
next presidential debate. just wait, see what i say at the next. were you surprised hillary clinton waited until the end to go after him on the whole women issue? >> no. i mean, yes, i'm surprised she waited until the end. but, again, i'm surprised that he wasn't better prepared for it instead of getting -- instead of like defebd -- defending the fact that he said really obnoxious things to rosy o'donnell because, look, there are tens of millions of americans who love rosy o'donnell. it is not like everyone agrees with him that's acceptable. the correct answer is, i was in the entertainment world and i said silly things but let's talk about -- let's talk about what is better for women, you or me, and here are the ways i will bring women jopbs, i will bring women this. >> my suspicion is that's the way he prepared, it just didn't come out. he took the bait. >> kij up, we will have more results of our exclusive poll. debate watchers weigh in on who will better handle the economy. we also have reality checks on
welcome back. david challion still with us. here at hofstra university. you are getting more results from exclusive cnn orc poll, people who watched the debate. >> that's right. the audience skews a little more democratic than normally our national poll would, but these are still really good numbers for hillary clinton. again, let's look at who won the
debate. 62% of the people that watched the debate in our poll said hillary clinton won the debate. 27% said donald trump watched -- >> won the debate. >> and this is a debate -- won the debate. this is debate watchers. take a look at the economy. this is interesting. hillary clinton edges donald trump on the economy 51% to 47%. that is a close contest. we have seen in polls all around it's been close on who can better handle the economy. but, remember, this audience watching the debate was a little more pro democratic, a little more pro hillary clinton. a four point edge shows exactly what jake was talking about when donald trump is prosecuting the economy it is an issue he is very still in the hunt on. on foreign policy, take a look again, overwhelming hillary clinton percentage. 62% say she would better handle foreign policy compared to 35% of debate watchers who say it about donald trump. >> impressive numbers for her on foreign policy. relatively close on economy. jake, we have a special guest
with us right now. >> we do. one of the stars of the hit tv show "shark tank" and owner of dallas mavericks. good to see you. obviously you were given a front row seat by the hillary clinton campaign, you are a high profile supporter, one of the reasons you were given the seat was to psyche out donald trump who you have been critical of, a fellow billion air. >> let me tell you what actually happened. i have a 12-year-old daughter just had a 13th birthday and i wanted to bring her to the debate, this is an historic occasion. the clinton campaign reached out and said they had two tickets available. when i got word i decided to tweet, i'm going to the debate -- they didn't commit front row seats, but i added front row seats. i thought he might take the bait. hook, line and sinker. >> speaking of taking the bait, were you surprised he took hillary clinton's bait as often as he did on stage? i thought he had a strong first half hour, and then every single
bait she threw out he went after. >> he talks about being a counter puncher, and there's nothing more frustrating than your punches aren't landing at all. his punches were short, he got flustered and combat i think and it got worse. >> did you think he had any strong moments? >> i think a little on the kmechlt he had some zingers he felt confident in, but there were a lot of questions he didn't answer. we are still waiting on the answer on what he is going to do about domestic terrorism, you know. he stepped on himself. at the beginning hillary set him up, talked about the architect who never got paid. then we got into the issue of global peace, de-terence, national security and he talked about not honoring our treaties if they don't pay, right? here is a guy who is saying, maybe if i don't like the job you're doing that i'm not going to pay you, which translates into if i don't like what japan is doing or they're not paying enough, we're not going to live up to our obligation. i think that resonated and she just jumped on him on it. >> you said you were going to be
in the front row and you kind of made it happen. being there did you make e eye contact with him? because you wanted to be the taunter, right? >> no, i wanted to do the exact opposite. the whole beginning i wasn't looking at him at all. i was spending more time looking at rudy guilliani and the trumps and tiffany trump because i wanted to see their response. look, i wanted to come to the debate because it is an historic event. i did not want to give anybody any excuses, i did not want to be the center of attention because this is too important. it is just we he took the bait after my tweet, it kind of steam roll from there. >> did he acknowledge you at all? >> no. >> you've known donald trump for a long time? >> since about 1999, yes. >> have you been friendly over the years? >> off and on. i wouldn't say we were friends, but we interacted business wise and there was a point in time when i supported him. look, i said and he put the quote on his book, that i thought he was the best thing to happen to politics in a long time because he spoke what was on his mind and he wasn't
rehearsed. but i also said to him personally, and i haven't said anything i didn't tell him personally, that at some point he was going to have to understand the issues, invest time to actually learn. i would send him links the books, you know, that's just not his thing. >> mark cuban, thanks for dropping by. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> we want to go back to jim accost you. he is with a special guest. >> i'm with kellyanne conway, campaign manager for donald trump. thanks for being with us. let me ask you, do you feel comfortable with the way your candidate prepared for this debate? was he prepared for tonight's debate. >> yes, he was prepared and i think it showed particularly when he was answering questions that are relevant to every day american lives like on trade, why he would renegotiate what he considers to be a very unfair, bad trade deals, they don't benefit american workers, we have lost so many jobs to mexico, china and elsewhere. else when he was talking about system lalting the economy, even hillary clinton does not deny the fact she is going to tax people and regulate them.
she almost seemed proud of the fact, almost doubling down on it, whereas his plan would create 25 million new jobs and bring tax relief across the board. i thought he had strong minutes, jim, when he was talking about how the vacuum that was left by president clinton -- president obama and secretary clinton, that vacuum when they left iraq gave us the birthing growth of isis. we have 30 countries, we know when people think of radical islamic terrorism they think about isis. >> let me ask you about that question because he keeps saying he opposed to war in iraq before he began. where is the proof? >> ball usa of you keep saying that because he was on howard stern radio and literally this is the exchange. howard stern said, so, should we invade iraq. donald trump, hmm, i guess so. >> he could have said then i'm against the war, i'm bittering opposed to. >> in your non-professional capacity, we should hold you to
account for saying, hmm, i guess so. that versus what, hillary clinton who proudly as united states senator walked down into the well of the senate and cast her vote in favor of the iraq war. she should be held to account for that. >> do you feel the debate was handled properly by the moderator? do you agree with the topics discussed, the questions asked? are you calling into question the way the debate was handled tonight. >> i thought lester holt did a great job as moderator under tough circumstances meaning you have a worldwide audience. i was glad mr. trump raised hillary clinton's e-mails. >> you're not questioning mr. holt's handling of the job? >> i just said he did a great job. i'm glad mr. trump raised the e-mails because it wasn't raised otherwise, and mr. trump was cross-examined on a few points where perhaps mrs. clinton was not. but i think the debate moderators have done a good job, i would include matt lawyer in that. >> let me ask you, did he answer
the question about why he decided to put the birther issue away? >> he said it several times. >> i don't think he answered on why he changed his mind. >> he gave a press conference a week ago friday. >> the press conference was 39 seconds. he said something for 39 seconds. he said hillary clinton was responsible for the birther issue, which is not true. why did he change his mind? >> the campaign was. it was. he has answered that question. >> but not hillary clinton. >> i can repeat the question. first of all, cnn carried the press conference live and thought it was going to be something it was not is not donald trump's trump. nobody said he would spend more than the 39 seconds he did on it. you guys made it up and covered it live. i'm glad you gave press coverage to medal of honor recipients, they deserve recognition and that's great on the part of cnn and others. he said three things closely, he said first it was sidney blumenthal and the iowa volunteer coordinator for
hillary clinton that first raised the issue. donald trump has been -- >> do you think he has put the issue behind him and it is over? >> donald trump was a successful businessman in 2008. hillary clinton was running against barack obama in 2007. she never saw barack obama coming the way they didn't see bernie sanders coming. he answered the question three times about birther. he has put it behind him, but you will continue to ask it. >> thank you, kellyanne. back to you, wolf. >> thank you very much, jim acosta. the candidates crashed over crime and police tactics. we will have a reality check on who got it right and more results from our instant poll coming up as well.
now. tom foreman is standing by. what did you find out? >> donald trump was sort of channelling his convention speech when he brought up the issue of crime and something must be done and he likes police using stop-and-frisk tactics. hillary clinton says no way. listen. >> we have to bring back law and order. whether in a place like chicago you do stop-and-frisk, which worked very well in new york, mayor guilliani is here, it brought the crime rate way down. but you take the gun away from criminal also that shouldn't be having. >> stop-and-frisk was found to be unconstitutional. in part because it was ineffective. it did not do what it needed to do. >> so who's right about this? well, we do know from 2002 until 2011 in new york city stop-and-frisk was stepped way up. look at the numbers back in 2002 to almost 700,000 in 2011, and crime was going down during that period of time. however, the decrease in crime
did not seem to match up with such a dramatic increase here, and just as importantly out of all of the stops they made in roughly this period of time, more than 5 million stops, guns were found on people far less than 1% of the time. and when stop-and-frisk stopped, the crime rate generally kept going down. so all of that says that donald trump's claim about this is simply false and hillary clinton's claim about it is true. wolf. >> stand by, tom. i want to go to jim schiutto. he has been doing a reality check as well. what did you find out? >> wolf, international trade, donald trump accused hillary clinton of flip-flopping on the asian trade deal noun as tpp, the trans-pacific partnership. here is what he said tonight. >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. >> you know what -- >> you said it was the finest deal you ever seen. >> no. >> you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were gebs it. >> his claim that she
flip-flopped on tpp, in fact supported but only reversed after donald trump criticized the deal. hillary clinton's response was she only supported it, she said, before she saw all of the details claiming she only hoped the deal was the gold standard. have a listen. >> the facts are i did say i hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated -- >> not. >> -- which i was not responsible for, i concluded it wasn't. >> so let's look at the facts. as secretary of state hillary clinton did call the tpp the gold standard. in fact, here is her saying that at an event in australia in 2012. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in fair trade with a rule of law and level playing field. >> sets the gold standard. you mention no word of hoping it sets the gold standard. our assessment on this is donald
trump is true. hillary clinton did flip flop on the tpp. >> cnn's coverage of the first presidential debate continues right after this. i have a feeling by the end of this evening, i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not? >> yeah, why not? >> the mayhem begins. donald trump and hillary clinton. their first presidential debate. taxes, e-mails, birther lies. just the beginning. the candidates go head-to-head in the first debate. who came out on top? this is the first post analysis on television.
"early start" begins right now. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> i'm christine romans. approaching 4:00 a.m. in the east. welcome too the viewers in the u.s. and around the world. finally, the moment we have been waiting for. the first presidential debate. hillary clinton and donald trump head-to-head at hofstra university. every word, every rebuttal, every gesture. in the most important things in the campaign, trade, taxes, iraq. who won? who lost? how will it instruct the campaign with six weeks remaining until election day? joining us is cnn's phil mattingly. >> reporter: good morning, christine. let the record show for at least two minutes there were pleasa pleasantries exchanged. for the rest, it was not.
we knew it would be a raucous debate. hillary clinton trying to paint donald trump he was unfit for office. donald trump trying to paint hillary clinton as status quo and himself as a change agent. donald trump was on the defensive through much of the night. include the claimed opposition to the iraq war. take a listen. >> president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq. because they got out -- they shouldn't have been in. once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. isis and formed. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that was proven over and over. >> you supported the war in iraq before the invasion. >> i did not support the war in iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly the best person in her campaign is mainstream