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we knew it would be a raucous debate. hillary clinton trying to paint donald trump he was unfit for office. donald trump trying to paint hillary clinton as status quo and himself as a change agent. donald trump was on the defensive through much of the night. include the claimed opposition to the iraq war. take a listen. >> president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way they got out of iraq. because they got out -- they shouldn't have been in. once they got in, the way they got out was a disaster. isis and formed. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that was proven over and over. >> you supported the war in iraq before the invasion. >> i did not support the war in iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly the best person in her campaign is mainstream
media. >> the record shows trump in 2002 before the invasion did say he supported it. a number of donald trump attacks did land. particularly on trade. where he had hillary clinton on her heels through much of the debate. one thing we heard on the campaign trail as donald trump said. stamina. that appeared to back fire. listen to this. >> i just left detroit. i just left philadelphia. you have seen me. i've been all over the place. you decided to stay home. that's okay. i will tell you i have been all over. i met some of the greatest people i'll ever meet within these communities. they are upset with what their politicians have told them and what their politicians have done. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. i think that's a good thing.
>> walking right into a tailor paid attack line. one thing is issues that were not brought up. immigration, border wall and benghazi and the clinton foundation. a number of issues you can expect donald trump will bring up going forward. an important moment for a team that was on the ropes after weeks of polls tightening. >> people watching the debate. 62% of voters thought hillary clinton won this debate. 27% said donald trump did. it was a slightly more democratic viewing audience. that is a wide margin. almost what mitt romney beat barack obama. >> the mexican peso jumped almost 2% last night. maybe donald trump did not do as well as donald trump thinks he did. >> joining us this morning for our panel.
mark preston. brian stelter, host of "reliable sources." and eugene scott and here on set is angela rye and a donald trump supporter. i'll go to you first, mark preston. who came out looking best? >> john, going into the debate, no doubt that donald trump had the wind at his back. we saw in national polls that hillary clinton is clinging on to at this point. hillary clinton delivered last night. she went into the debate. she was focused. she was relaxed. most importantly, she knew her facts. donald trump went into the debate. he was not focused. he was not relaxed. he didn't know his facts. that was clearly laid out of the viewers who watched. >> eugene scott, you have been
covering this election for months. your general impressions? >> i think what we were expecting from donald trump is him able to make a clear point within the two-minute period he was allotted. he did not do that consistently. he used the time to bring up issues his supporters had with hillary clinton. >> karen of the washington post. hillary clinton came out with a needle which she used to get under donald trump's skin. i want to play you sound where hillary clinton started talking about donald trump's tax returns. this is the question brought up by lester holt. listen to donald trump's response as well. >> i will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted.
as soon as she releases them, i will release my tax returns. that's against my lawyer's -- my lawyer says don't do it. >> the only years anybody's ever seen were a couple of years where he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and it showed he did not pay federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> so john phillips, that makes me smart, according to trump. is that the response donald trump should prepare for? >> as phil mentioned, the topics of immigration was not mentioned. benghazi wasn't mentioned. border wall wasn't mentioned. this is akin to a 14 with the dealer card up next.
he just couldn't help the gravity to go back to what it was resolved to the story that broke in his favor. if he stopped after a minute and did not go to two, he would have been been off. >> he had two minutes to fill things out. i want to talk about another things. the birtherism issue and hillary clinton needled him on this issue. listen to birtherism. >> i think that i developed very, very good relationships over the last little while with the african-american community. i think you can see that. i feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion and i think i did a great job and great service not only for the country, but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> well, just listen to what you heard. he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie.
>> one thing i those was interesting. they were getting into the weeds about patty solace doyle. we have gone through this again and again although he tried to put it to rest. >> i wouldn't call it that. donald trump lived this out until the last possible moment he could. historically on the republican and democratic side of the aisle you have people who wait until the last six to eight weeks of an election to reach out to people of color. when you saw the press conference saying he put it to rest, the best way to do this and i advised this yesterday and apparently lester holt did not get the memo. he should have called on donald trump to apologize to the american people and president obama for birtherism.
you saw more of the same of him digging his heels on the point. >> giving him credit. >> it is ridiculous. most people can see through that. hillary clinton did very well by calling it what it is. racist. >> brian stelter. i said this to you. i always assumed donald trump wasn't preparing for the debate was a lie. i thought he was doing more prep than what he was letting on. on the birther debate and taxes, i was surprised there wasn't a more rehearsed answer or surgical answer. yes, on trade, i think he did have a message he wanted to get through. on those things, which you had to know were coming, i thought he floundered. >> he had been thinking about the debate, but that is not the same as mock debate sessions or tough interviews. trump had not been interviewed by journalists at cnn about
birtherism. he mostly stayed with conservative news outlets. that may have back fired because he seemed to be unprepared. it seems trump was in an alternative reality and encouraging people to go to his web site and get information. fact checkers were supporting clinton on most of the points. there were a few times where she strayed from the facts. trump told bigger whoppers more often. >> everybody stay with us. between all of the attacks, they get plenty of policy in the debate. we will discuss those next.
trump was rehearsed and he wanted to get across. he came out hard particularly on the issue of tpp. the trade deal this president obama negotiated with countries around the world. this is something hillary clinton was supportive of. >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it is the finest deal you have ever seen. you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were against it. >> donald, i know you live in your own reality. that is not the facts. >> you have to plan. >> oh, i do. >> secretary, you have no plan. >> a book about it. it's called "stronger together." you can pick it up tomorrow at the bookstore. >> she did call tpp the gold standard, mark preston. donald trump is right on that fact. i'm more interested on the audience. it seems to me the message on trade may find a receptive
audience in ohio, michigan. >> in fact not only did he talk about the tpp, the trade deal before congress right now and really on a lifeline to see if he can get through before barack obama leaves office, but trump went back to nafta and talked about how bill clinton enacted that. a lot of the trump populism is working well in ohio and wisconsin and pennsylvania. he was effective in doing so, but after that, the train went off the tracks. you have to wonder for the argument, will it be clouded over by the fact he wasn't prepared in the rest of the debate? >> let's ask john fiphillips on that. he talked about jobs moving to mexico over the past two decades. that is hard to gauge. there are jobs that have been
lost. that's a story line that plays with some voters in those states. what do you make of how well he landed those blows. you know, if he carried it far enough? >> i think this was the best exchange for trump and this is an issue where she is vulnera e vulnerable. she called it gold standard and terry mcaullife. they are saying don't worry. if she is elected, she will sign it. that resonate with people in the rust belt. yesterday, you and i spoke, john, what each candidate needed to do in the debate. hillary clinton needs to excite the obama coalition. there is a huge enthusiasm problem. if you go back to the bernie bros. one of the things they were upset about was her support for the tpp and duplicity on the subject. this causes a problem with the hillary clinton and bernie supporters who are opposed to
tpp. >> you brought up the obama coalition. the key part is minority voters. the issue of race did come up last night. the issue of race is front and center. trumps trumps recently going to my majority audiences. i think the act question is about crime or exact question about race in particular? listen to what the answer was. >> we have a situation where we have our inner cities, african-american and hispanics living in hell because it's so dangerous. i'm saying where is this? is this a war-torn country? what are we doing? we have to stop the violence. we have to bring back law and order. >> we cannot just say law and order. we have have to say we have to come forward with a plan that is going to divert people from the
criminal justice system and deal with mandatory minimum sentences. >> the question was healing communities. donald trump's answer was law and order. angela rye, what did you make of how she answered this? >> i really appreciate hillary clinton's answer. one of the reasons for that is hillary, for the first time i can recall in a presidential debate where there are millions of viewers talked about bias. there is another clip and i don't know if you will show it. lester holt followed up a donald trump response to clinton. he said to her, are you saying that all police officers are implicitly bias? she said lester, i'm saying everyone is implicitly bias. that includes police officers. if you are talking about a law
and order police department or police departments nationwide, what you run into particularly as a person of color who has had challenges is it is a race-based institution. >> stick with us. we have a lot to talk about. story lines surrounding the debate. how did lester holt handle the assignme assignment? donald trump is weighing in on that. that's next. all my medicalses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, it could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call now to request your free decision guide. i've been with my doctor for 12 years. now i know i'll be able to stick with him.
and brian stelter. maybe 100 million people were going watch this and the pivotal last six-week run. did it live up to the hype? >> i think it did. i wanted the debate to continue past the 90-minute mark. it was the most tweeted debate ever. more tweets than any in the past. a huge hit on facebook. we will get the ratings in a couple hours. i'm struck by the research last night. trump dominated conversation. on facebook, 80% of the comments were about trump. if we learned one thing about the election, the candidates were talking about is usually the one not doing well. by that standard, clinton had a good night. >> lester holt. the moderatomoderator. someone in the spotlight. listen to what donald trump said about lester holt after. >> i thought lester did a great job. >> you thought the questions
were fair? >> i thought he was great. >> you heard from our friend john phillips, was there were many issues brought up that would be better for donald trump than clinton. benghazi or the e-mails or the clinton foundation. >> it will be interesting to see how he moves forward in future debates based on how lester holt moderated this debate. i saw people on social media not supportive of how he handled the situation. i was able to watch the event at the apollo town hall. the crowd was supportive of lester holt there. >> let's listen to the moment in the spin room with dana bash where trump hinted he had ammunition that he did not fire last night. listen. >> anything you wish you did differently? >> no, i'm very happy i was able to hold back on the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton because i have a
lot of respect for chelsea clinton. i didn't want to say what i was going to say. >> which is? >> which is i'll tell you maybe at the next debate. we'll see. >> whoa. what was that all about? a lot of people talking about that. >> that is called a television tease. you and i both know them. donald trump knows them well. he is a reality tv star and that did not always come through during the debate. i didn't sense necessarily through the camera that you were feeling his warmth and personality and charm. he seemed frustrated by clinton. the split screen did not always help trump. after the debate, he presented a tease for the next two debates which for better or worse, will compel people. >> he actually brought that up on the debate stage. he said there is something he could say that he is not saying. almost as if he wanted credit that he did not feel he was getting before not being more outrageous. >> or he was trying to needle
her. >> it was the devil on one side of the shoulder and the angel on the other. >> isn't that what robby mook teased earlier? he said trump would be graded on a curve and praised for not misbehaving. >> the one person he was praised by was trump. trump was proud by the fact he did not bring it up. maybe robby mook was right about that. >> we are talking about polls, but one poll that doesn't matter is investors relieved that trump did not perform well. markets up around the world. >> we will talk more about the debate. showdown of epic proportions. go nowhere.
for everything that's ever happened. >> why not? >> yeah, why not. >> going all in on policy and each other in the first debate defending their positions on trade and more. as they look to get undecided voters. who came out on top and what was left out? we have coverage of the first big debate beginning right now. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. 32 minutes after the hour. welcome to our viewers from the united states and around the world. the first presidential debate was that. big and bruising. the kind of bruises that last for a few days, maybe until november. hillary clinton and donald trump faced off overnight at hofstra university here in new york. it was a night where donald trump was forced to play a lot of defense on taxes and iraq and birther issues. karen tumulty said hillary
clinton's weapon of choice was a needle to get under trump's skin. and viewers from our polls thought hillary clinton was the clear winner. donald trump got in hits on trade. joining us with the latest is cnn's phil mattingly. phil, it was 98 minutes of pure tension and political joy. >> we all have been waiting for and counting down for the last days, weeks, months and a year on some level. we knew this would be a fight. there were no punches pulled. both candidates got their hits in. trump strong on trade. hillary clinton keeping trump on defensive throughout the debate because she would bait him in to long explanations or falsehoods. listen to trump relitigating the issue of did he oppose the iraq war. >> president obama and secretary clinton created a vacuum the way
they got out of iraq. because they got out. they shouldn't have been in. once they got in and once they got out it was a disaster. and isis was formed. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. that was proved. >> wrong. >> you supported the war in iraq before the invasion. what makes your -- >> i did not support the war in iraq. that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her. because frankly the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. >> we know donald trump in 2002 say he supported the iraq war. a couple of issues that were interesting. trump tried to go on the attack. trump attacking clinton for a true line the campaign trail. her quote lack of stamina. clinton saying this. take a listen. >> i just left detroit. i just left philadelphia. i know, you have seen me. i have been all over the place.
you decided to stay home and that's okay. i will tell you, i have been all over. i met some of the greatest people i'll ever meet within these communities. they are very, very upset with what they're politicians have told them and what their politicians have done. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president and i think that's a good thing. >> guys, a clinton zinger no doubt. and hillary clinton is the status quo. he is the change agent. hillary clinton, she is prepared and ready for the white house. that is what they wanted to convey. we will see. >> thank you, phil mattingly. we have two more debates. i can't wait. joining us is mark preston and
brian stelter. along with eugene scott and here on set, political commentators angela rye. and john phillips. talk radio host and a trump supporter. let's go to you, mark preston. you are the boss. what do you think? he landed effective blows on trade. hillary clinton came with her pencil sharpened on the policy. >> no doubt. she was coming into the debate with a high bar to reach. she went over the bar very, very cleanly. hillary clinton spent a lot of time preparing for the debate. we saw her with the exchange with trump. trump did not take the debate as seriously as he should. two minutes is a long time to talk on stage when you are facing off with one opponent. donald trump did not have the tools necessary to have a full
discussion on the major issues. what we saw turned into a slugfest at best. at the end, hillary clinton was standing and she was smiling. i think trump for his lack of preparation really lost this debate and lost it badly. >> that is what the viewers told us. we did a poll after the debate. it was a slightly more democratic audience. 62% of viewers said hillary clinton won the debate. 27% said trump. eugene scott. the polls around the country have been moving in the other direction unless the last few days. that result last night is something hillary clinton and the campaign wanted badly. >> absolutely. it is not a big surprise that hillary clinton did as well as she did considering experience debating. this is trump's first time in a situation like this going one-on-one. to mark's point, if he wants to continue getting support from people and maintaining leads, he will have to prepare better in the future. going one-on-one highlights how
unprepared he was and new to this he has been. >> there was a mostly quiet respectful audience, but one exchange when you hear the twittering among the people in the audience. eugene, you said there was outright laughter. i want to get our political commentators to weigh in. when trump tried to turn around the temperament issue with hillary clinton. listen. >> i have much better judgment than she does. no question about that. i also have a much better temperament than she does. i think my strongest asset maybe by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. >> secretary clinton. >> okay. >> john, the way she reacts to it. was that effective moment for him or for her? >> if you go back to the beginning of the debate when they talk about the economy and tpp, he was brandishing his
credentials as a businessman. if you talk about temperament from the eyes of the outsider businessman, he has the temperament of someone going to washington and someone not move the boxes, but blow them up as arnold schwarzenegger said he would do in california. he has the temperament of not putting up with bureaucracy and congress sitting on legislation he wants to go through. the way he is selling himself, the temperament of someone not putting up with the way washington works as usual is a selling point. >> that is an area where he was rehearsed. he wants to paint himself as an outsider and talked about his business record. hillary clinton was ready with that too. listen to what she said about the housing crisis. >> and in fact, donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006 i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some
money. well, it did collapse. >> that's called business, by the way. >> angela rye, you can see that appearing in a democratic ad. there were moments where trumped up trickle down economics. she went after him in a more traditional republican way. >> absolutely. i thought this was an effective line. you taulked about the needle. i tweeted the very thing he said. hill's you got yourself an ad. this is a moment and the other thing that was interesting. john, to go back to your point, not wanting to move boxes around, but blowing them up. that is what we want to demonstrate. one to blow things up. authoritarian to come in and blow things up. having worked on the hill for six years, you can't blow that
up even if you are upset. >> brian stelter, you have been saying the past couple days this is also how they portray themselves to the american people. maybe less on policy and style and personality. people are starting to pay attention. do you think that donald trump and hillary clinton gave anything new last night for the undecided voters? >> there was hostility between them. they did shake hands at the beginning and end. they acknowledged each other. the contrast was stark. secretary clinton versus donald. i wonder if any minds were changed, however. i think clinton supporters are feeling more excited and passionate. what a difference two weeks makes. it was a couple weeks ago when she nearly collapsed at the 9/11 ceremony. last night, she barely took a sip of water. >> i can't go three minutes without coughing. >> not a single cough. a lot of people talking about sniffles. guys, stick around.
one thing about the presidential debate it forces candidates to address issues and policy questions. joining us is angela lye and john phillips and mark preston. i want to start with what is a bad cough frankly. the barbs over e-mails. >> i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently, but i'm not going to make excuses.
that was a mistake. >> that was not a mistake. when you have your staff taking the fifth so they are not prosecuted. you have the man set up the illegal server taking the fifth, i think it is disgraceful. >> how well did he handle that moment, mark? >> for a night that was terrible for trump, it was good because it put hillary clinton on the hot seat. it was an achilles heel for the season. i don't think people are not going to vote for hillary clinton because of her e-mail server. in addition to that, with trump asked about his taxes to bring it back to e-mail. he said i'll releases taxes when she releases the e-mails. that is a false ee kwqual. they should be released because the bottom line, presidential
candidates have been doing that in the modern era. >> he would release his taxes when barack obama releases his birth certificate. i want to get in on the issue of trade. this plays into both democrat and republican constituencies. this is where he hit hillary clinton on her record on free trade. >> for 30 years you have been doing it and now you are just starting to think of solutions. i will bring -- i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. >> i have thought about this. >> for 30 years. >> i have -- well not quite that long. >> that's actually a hit on her time inside washington and the issue of trade. angela rye, the bernie sanders supporters, that part of the democratic party, just as much against the trade deals as donald trump is. you know, will they be convinced by what they saw last night from
donald trump? >> probably not. i think this is the person of politics i honestly hate. we cannot continue to demonize every possible trade deal. you will never get better. we cannot survive without trade. this is a problem i have with both parties during election season especially. trade is the reason we lost those jobs. some is technical development and some have been ill structured to compete. you go to the airport and people had jobs and now you check-in on a machine. >> they have known it and they accepted it for the benefits that come from trade. now it is the revenge of the outsourced. that is what this election is about or fear of outsourced. let's talk about isis. trump slammed hillary clinton on isis.
listen to this one. >> she is telling us how to fight isis. go to her web site. she tells you how to fight isis. i don't think general doug mcarthur would like that. >> at least a have a plan. >> no, no, you are telling the enemy everything you want to do. no wonder you have been fighting isis your entire adult life. >> john, was effective? poor lester holt is trying to move on. >> one of the things he brought up in the debate is the largest threat facing the world is global warming. he said he would spend his issues are terrorism. >> of course, the plan to defeat isis is a secret which he
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all right. when it comes to the debates, there is policy and performance. back now to discuss the performances last night is eugene scott and brian stelter. we saw a lot on stage and trump bragging about something we did not see on stage. you heard it at the end of the debate where donald trump made an illusion to the fact he did not bring up really bill clinton's personal life. afterwards in the spin room, he was still talking about it.
listen. >> anything you wish you did differently? >> i'm very happy i was able to hold back on the inn discretith with bill clinton. >> so brain, there are three things that happened there. i'm happy i was able to hold back. basically wants praise for not bringing something which he brought up in the next breath. bill clinton's marital indiscretions. number three, the fact he might bring it up in the second. >> it is like me asking for credit for not burning the house down when i made dinner. trump was trying to show not tell he has a strong temperament. there were laughs in the audience when he said that. he is trying to show he can have
restraint. >> eugene, donald trump praising lester holt last night after earlier having derided him as a register democrat. he is not. he is a registered republican. how do you think he handled the show? >> i think lester holt did as well as he could considering these were two people who really did not want to be controlled and had things they wanted to say. at some point it is a lose-lose situation. at one point, it is interesting we saw on twitter rudy giuliani did not like the moderator and went as far as to perhaps encourage trump not to participate in debates in the future. it will be interesting to see what comes from there. >> brian stelter, you were watching social media carefully. in some ways, it is a tell over a all what americans saw. >> overall, the conversation was about trump. people were more interested -- that is true in the post-game
shows as well. people were more interested in talking about trump than clinton. why? she is what we have seen before up on the stage handling questions. trump not an experienced politician. he has a lot to learn. he showed that last night. there were not many gender issues or hostility. in some ways, this was the perfect first of they sets. >> you can measure it by polls or by markets. you have markets around the world moving higher on the assumption that donald trump did not do well and hillary clinton is more likely candidate for president. you saw the mexican peso jump 2%. that is a hit to trump when the peso jumps. this is another way to look at what is going on and response. thanks for everything. nice to see you. up all night watching the first presidential debate. so much to talk about right now. an epic battle. "new day" picks up right now.
you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solution right now? >> donald, i know you live in your reality, but that is not the fact. >> i will release my tax returns when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> i call it trumped up trickle down. >> hillary has experience, but it is bad experience. >> at least i have a plan to fight isis. >> no, no, you are telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> no, we're not. >> i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. >> okay. join the debate by saying more crazy things. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> welcome to "new day" to our
viewers from around the world and the united states. it was must-see tv. hillary clinton called him racist. trump tried to paint her as a typical politician. >> this certainly lived up to the hype. now, who won? that's a tricky question. we have a cnn post debate poll that shows it wasn't even close. big night for clinton. so how will this result play into the overall race as the candidates get back on the trail? we have it covered for you. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. >> reporter: good morning, chris. we know both candidates had a specific message. hillary clinton ready, prepared for office. donald trump, the breaker of the status quo. as you well know, that doesn't mean there would not be punches throw and a few haymakers land.