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viewers from around the world and the united states. it was must-see tv. hillary clinton called him racist. trump tried to paint her as a typical politician. >> this certainly lived up to the hype. now, who won? that's a tricky question. we have a cnn post debate poll that shows it wasn't even close. big night for clinton. so how will this result play into the overall race as the candidates get back on the trail? we have it covered for you. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. >> reporter: good morning, chris. we know both candidates had a specific message. hillary clinton ready, prepared for office. donald trump, the breaker of the status quo. as you well know, that doesn't mean there would not be punches throw and a few haymakers landed. >> i feel a feeling i'll be
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blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not? >> yeah. >> reporter: the duel between donald trump and hillary clinton started with an exchanging of pl pleasantries. >> the kind of plan that donald has put forth is trickle down economics. i call it trumped up trickle down. >> nafta is the worst trade deal ever signed in this country. now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. >> reporter: trump casting clinton as a typical politician while attempting to portray help self as change. >> why are you just thinking about these now? >> reporter: clinton putting trump on the defensive.
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>> donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006, i hope it does collapse because i can go in and buy some and make money. it did collapse. >> that's called business. >> 9 million people lost their jobs. >> reporter: challenging him on refusal to release tax returns. >> i will release tax returns against my lawyers' wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people to know he has paid nothing in federal taxes. >> that makes me smart. >> if he paid zero, that means zero for troops. zero for vets. zero for schools or health. >> reporter: trump pouncing on clinton about the private e-mail, but not dwelling. >> i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently.
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>> that was more than a mistake. that was done purposely. >> reporter: and insisted she cannot be trusted. >> i have much better judgment than she does. i have a much better temperament. behind the blue screen, i don't know who you were talking to, secretary clinton, but you were out of control. i said there's a person with a temperament that's got a problem. >> secretary clinton. >> okay. >> reporter: trump on the defensive over years of false claims that president obama wasn't born in the u.s. >> i think i did a great job and service. not only for the country, but even for the president to produce the birth certificate. >> reporter: clinton hitting him hard. >> we tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that easily. he has a long record of engaging
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in racist behavior and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. >> reporter: debate moderator fact checking past statements on the iraq war. >> i did not support the war in iraq. >> 2002 -- >> that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her. >> the record shows otherwise. >> the record does not show that. the record shows i'm right. >> reporter: asked about the invasion before the kwar, trump said this. >> i guess so. i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> the fiery debate ending on the attack of clinton. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. she doesn't have the stamina. i don't believe she does have the stamina to be president of this country. you need tremendous stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace
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deal or cease-fire or release of d d disidents and testifies in front a congressional committee, he can talk to me about experience. >> reporter: the veteran debater fought back. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. i think that's a good thing. >> reporter: guys, i think the interesting fact is no question. donald trump was on the defensive for more of the debate than hillary clinton. one of the reasons why is the wheel house issues never came up. no discussion about the foundation. he never brought up benghazi. he had one attack survivor in the audience. you did not hear about immigration or border wall.
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you can be sure he will bring up. today, candidates back on the trail. hillary clinton in north carolina. trump, florida. you will see a lot of that in the days and weeks ahead. >> phil, thank you for that. let's talk about the polls. hillary clinton with a victory over trump last night according to the cnn/orc post-debate poll. 62% of debate watchers polled thought clinton won the debate. only 27% thought trump won the debate. this does skew in favor of democrats, we should say with more democrats responding. even a majority of independents watching deemed clinton the winner. >> let's discuss. what does this mean in the overall race? that's the real purpose of the debate. we have never seen anythig like it. let's bring in editor of the atlantic ron brownstein and
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jackie kuchinich and david gregory. professor brownstein. you said there was something that trump needed to accomplish and he failed. >> that was to reduce the historically high share of people who say he is not qualified to be president. we have never gone this deep in the election with close to 60% of voters saying one of the nominees is not qualified to be president. in the poll last night, 55% of those watching the debate, based on his performance, he was not prepared. the number was higher among college educated whites. we talked about many times before, trump is in danger of losing the college educated whites. you never will get a second chance to make a first impressi
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impression. i think it is likely not necessarily insurmountable, but it makes it harder to grow his vote and it is likely he goes through with the college whites saying he is not qualified. >> jackie. >> he started out okay. we started without with teleprompter trump and then twitter trump and rally trump. the fact he could not get back to the talking points and lester holt did not have to ask about benghazi. he should have brought it up. the way hillary brought up comments about women. she found a way to talk about it. that is what happens when you practiced and want to bring something up. he kind of looked unprepared and not up to the job. >> preparation counts. hillary had a great moment saying i prepared for the debate. i prepared for president of the united states. he did not have an answer. that is a bad sign. he likes to respond in kind. what do you think, mark, stood out in terms of the moments
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where your eyebrows go up and say this is a problem. >> first of all, jackie said he did okay out of the gate and went down hill quickly. when he made the turn and he brought up bill clinton's infidelity shows he is a raccoon pushed into the corner. if he brings that up in the debate, that is a fatal blow. that is not a good issue if he addresses it on stage to hillary clinton. of course, he has addressed it and he has the deniability. that is an explosive subject to hurt him more with women voters. >> and dana bash interviewed trump about this afterwards. here is what he said. >> i'm very happy i was able to hold back on the indiscretions with respect to bill clinton because i have a lot of respect for chelsea clinton and i just didn't want to say what i was going to say. >> which is? >> which is i'll tell you maybe
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at the next debate. we'll see. >> let me say one thing, he doesn't have that much respect for chelsea clinton because he did go there. >> that wasn't during the debate. >> he said the same thing during the debate. >> he planted that seed. >> it wasn't a seed. he put a whole plant in a pot and said i was going to say something that was really and i forget the word. he said rough on hillary clinton and her family, but i'm not because -- i said there are two people. he is having a conversation with himself and decides to do the right thing. >> impulse control. he is proud of himself for not going there. if you are the commander in chief? i'm proud i did not push the button. i'm proud i did not go head-to-head with a foreign leader or whatever. >> we heard the theory that debates are won or lost in the first half hour. if you look and isolate the first half hour, a lot of
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viewers thought he was strong. >> i absolutely did. he came out sounding like a fighter for the working people. that was sort of the vintage trump that brought so many people to his campaign. it sort of disappeared like jackie said. he trailed off into answers that were sometimes total totally incoherent and getting into the weeds on his position on iraq. there were a lot of missed opportunities for him there. i think she clearly did what she needed to do last night in the sense that it was such a smooth performance. she never really got rattled by him. you know, maybe some people will say little bit too robotic. smiling through the insults. she really was in command on that stage. >> here is the moment that people thought was strong when he talked about trade.
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listen. >> your husband signed nafta which was one of the worst things that happened to the manufacturing industry. go to new england, ohio, pennsylvania. go anywhere you want, secretary clinton. you will see devastation where manufacturing is down 30% and 40% and 50%. nafta is the worst trade deal signed anywhere. certainly ever signed in the country. now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. you were in favor of it. you know if you did win, you would approve that. that will be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will ever top nafta. >> that is not just accurate. i was against it once it was finally negotiated. the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it is the finest deal you ever seen. >> trump's best moment, right?
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fighter in interjecting. she seemed a little bit knocked off her heels in that moment. we never saw that trump reemerge. >> david gregory, you are up in boston. thank you for joining us. you made this point many times. you say he is the master of the complaint. he jokes and says he is the whiner in chief. america has anxiety. it is angry about things. it wants things to change. he brought that to bear last night. it was that next phase of what would a president do about it where it seemed to level out and go down for him. >> i agree with what's been said. i think the first 30 minutes to an hour for me, donald trump exceeded expectations. he was mostly disciplined. he did appear prepared. he took a very strong outsider message and really painted her as the ultimate insider who has been around the issues for decades and hasn't been able to get things done.
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that was hypebole. she is part of the establishment. he unravelled on taxes and birther nonsense. intere interrupting her. she was unflappable. i thought the devastating line for her, just listen to what you heard. people say he talked more than she did. i think she was happy to have him keep talking. the tale of two trumps here. it goes to what ron was saying. who did he reach that he can turn things around with? college educated whites? moderate republicans and women? i don't see it despite that strong start for him. >> a big piece of his electorate
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that wants someone who is not conventionally qualified. go in and break the windows. that is not enough to win. he probably made it harder. >> stick around. we have more questions for you, panel. coming up, we will hear from both sides. at 7:00, we will speak to done donna brazile and kellyanne conway as well as robby mook and governor mike pence. >> there will be two more debates. what opportunities will have to be built on for the next time? who is better at getting under the skin of their opponent? we have the best political team on television. they have the answers next. before taking his team to state for the first time...
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the candidates own words used against them during the debate. trump talking about his stance on the war in iraq. >> you had supported the war in iraq before the invasion. >> i did not support the war in iraq. >> since 2002. >> that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. when i did an interview with howard stern, very likely the first time somebody asked me that. i said lightly, i don't know, maybe. i then did an interview with neil cavuto. i then spoke to sean hannity.
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and sean said and he called me the other day. i spoke to him about it. he said you were totally against the war. he was for the war. >> let's bring back our panel to discuss this and more. we have ron brownstein and maeve reston and jackie kucinich. >> he said called sean hannity. i don't know that the hannity defense is legal. >> beyond that, isn't this a weird rabbit hole? he wasn't -- >> there were several weird rabbit holes. the taxes, the birther, iraq, comments about women. he cannot transcend the personal controversies in his past. it is important for clinton to bring up.
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an issue of sloughing off what happened before and move forward. he was in the arguments as much with lester holt and with hillary clinton. that deepened the questions. he faced questions about qualifications and temperament. despite what he said about temperament. he looked peevish. he kept getting wrapped around the axle of the old disputes. he could not get to the issues republicans want to hear. >> david, this is a rehearsal for how you handle the job. you have to own your words as president. the birther moment stuck out for me as much more than a rabbit hole. he had an opportunity from lester holt. he said what do you say to the people who are offended by this? people know this wasn't a sham.
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it was done because president obama is being defined as an other. were you surprised by that? >> no. i held out the idea there may be elements of humility of donald trump. he thought it was a good idea to double down on the nonsense. a racist lie he perpetuated to get into national politicians and it was cleared up by his terms and it was cleared up because it was part of him playing footsie as the alt-right who wanted to delegitimize the president because he is african-american or some would say erroneously he is muslim and on and on and on. this is the point. people watching this is a how do you handle the scrutiny and how do you handle yourself on the world stage. you saw two different people. at the beginning, i thought he showed a certain measure of
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discipline. he got too hot for the room. you heard it in the exchanges. interrupting hillary clinton. saying wrong, wrong. jousting with lester holt who also kept his cool and did a very good job. everyone else, namely secretary clinton, had the cloak of the presidency around her. unflappable. a kind of steel magnolia. he looked the out liar. >> jackie, as expected, hillary clinton was asked about the e-mails. let's listen to that response and how trump responded to it. listen to this. >> i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> and if i had to do it over again, i would do it differently. >> that was not a mistake. that was done purposely. when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment so they are not prosecuted.
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when you have the man setting up the illegal server taking the fifth, it is disgraceful. this country thinks it is disgraceful also. as far as my tax returns, you don't learn that much from tax returns. that i can tell you. >> how did that go? >> he should have stayed on the e-mails instead of turning it back to the tax returns. that said, her answer on the e-mails shorter. concise. didn't go into the legalese that makes her look untrustworthy. >> i thought she missed an opportunity there because one of the things for sure, mark, about hillary clinton, you know it all. it has been laid bare. the 11 hours of testimony. she used that brilliantly talking about stamina. this is an opportunity for her to say what do we know about
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you? you want to talk about intentional mistakes. what happened with your shool? is your charity an accident? she didn't. do you think that was part of the design? let him hang himself. let's not get into a brawl. >> remember, this is halftime of the first quarter or whatever metaphor you want to score. we have two debates. there may be a decision to hold back a little bit. the debate is going well right now. maybe we don't unload everything right now. maybe hold a little bit back. to your point, that would be a knockout blow for her to turn and say there isn't much in your taxes, why not release them. >> she said what don't we know. there must be a reason. you don't pay taxes. you have foreign entanglements. she did to the go beyond what you are talking about. >> it becomes a jumping off point. you are right. could have been a blow. two more debates.
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>> clearly she is saving some ammunition for later. the fact she did not bring up the names he has called women until the end of the debate. that seemed like a strategy to not get him too hot at the beginning, but have her moment and be able to move into the stamina. >> in terms of holding back, have we ever heard a presidential candidate say you engaged in a pattern of racist behavior? >> no. >> we will go out on a limb and say no. panel, thank you. the cnn fact checkers were up all night dissecting the claims of candidates. was trump truthful about climate change? was clinton real about the trade deal? we will separate fact from fiction next.
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the politicians talk and we check. that's the job and this debate had us working overtime from the economy and tpp to climate change. who got it right and who was stretching the truth? john berman joins us with a reality check. let's get real. >> let's get real, chris cuomo. donald trump stretched the truth more than hillary clinton. that was real. there were fact transgressions on both sides. early in the debate, donald trump accused hillary clinton of flipping on the tpp. the trans-pacific partnership. this is what he said. >> you called it the gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it was the finest deal
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you have ever seen. you heard what i said about it and you were against it. >> he said she supported tpp, but only reversed after trump criticized the deal. she said she only supported it before she saw the details claiming she hoped the deal was the gold standard. >> the facts are i did say i hoped it would be a good deal. when it was negotiated which i was not responsible for it. i concluded it wasn't. >> what are the facts here? let's discuss. hillary clinton did state that tpp was the gold standard and she did it on tape. this is what she said in australia in 2012. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free transparent fair trade. the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. >> you notice no mention of the word hope there. our verdict in this case?
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what donald trump said is true. accusation she called the tpp the gold standard is true. he's right. turning now to donald trump. hillary clinton went after him on his stance on global warming. >> donald things climate change is a hoax. perpetrated by the chinese. i think it is real. science is real. >> i did not say that. >> it is important we grip this and deal with it both at home and abroad. >> let's sum up the claim. hillary clinton claims donald trump thinks global warming is a hoax which you heard him deny. thanks to twitter, folks, we know what donald trump said about this and he referred to global warming as a hoax many times. including one specifically where he said that global warming was created by the chinese as some kind of scheme to make u.s. manufacturing non competitive. he later said it was a joke. if he was joking, he joked a
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lot. he tweeted a lot. it seems unlikely untrue. our verdict is her statement if this case is true. for all of this, all of cnn's reality checks, you can go to our web site. it's there cnn.com/realitycheck. we will have another round of reality check in the next hour. >> john, that was great. you only know something is a joke on twitter if it says lol. >> exactly. >> thank you for breaking that down. the race for the white house might come down to the state of florida. we asked 20 undecided voters in that swing state who won last night's debate. the answer was nearly unanimous. we will show you what they said next on "new day." one (aer vo)ery one is ready for the next gen iphone. (indistinct chattering) (announcer vo) and so is verizon with the only next gen network that lets you make the most of it. lte advanced delivers 50% faster peak speeds
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so what did undecided voters think about the debate? we assembled a group of them in the swing state of florida. were they swayed by either
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candidate? cnn's pamela brown has more from orlando. >> reporter: good morning, chris and alisyn. there was a clear winner in the 20 undecided voters here in the key battle ground state of florida. that was hillary clinton. 18 of the 20 undecided voters felt like she had a better performance. this was one of the highest rated moments in the group. take a listen. >> we have to restore trust between communities and the police. we have to work to make sure that our police are using the best training and techniques that they're well prepared to use force only when necessary. everyone should be respected by the law and everyone should respect the law. >> reporter: let's get reaction from the undecided voters about
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hillary clinton's performance. what struck you? >> she was prepared. i liked she talked about criminal justice reform. that's one of my biggest issues. >> did you feel you connected with her more? >> yes, i did. she kept to the point. she tried to stay within the time limit. where the other opponent kept interrupting her. i like when she talked about the infrastructure. i think it is very important with the bridges and power grid and roads. we have got to get that taken care of. >> reporter: and trump had moments. here was one of his. >> when a person is on a watch list and no fly list, i have the endorsement of the people protecting the second amendment. we have to look strongly at the no fly lists. >> reporter: before the debate, you were leaning forward trump. now after the debate, you are
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leaning toward hillary clinton w. why so? >> i think she has solid evidence and plan of action. donald trump did not have that material with him. he just kept referring to numbers. >> and you are nodding your head? >> i agree. i feel like donald trump did not answer very many questions. he was all about being in clinton's face, if you will, and it just wasn't appealing. >> reporter: let's get a show of hands. after this debate, who knows who they will vote for? is that hillary clinton? anyone for donald trump? anyone who is still undecided and no idea who they will vote for come november? a majority of you still undecided after this debate. two more to go. a lot to learn.
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alisyn and chris. >> thank you, pamela. >> that was surprising. >> you didn't see any hands afterwards that they knew they would vote for donald trump. we have a quick programming note. president obama sits down with jake tapper for a town hall to talk about his legacy wednesday night at 9:00 p.m. you heard something from the undecided voters last night. being prepared. there was this spin going into the debate that donald trump doesn't need to prepare like hillary clinton. he is not a practiced automoton. preparation mattered. clinton played it to advantage. how did it play out last night? we'll take you there. arin abo network. all the networks are great now. we're talking within a 1% difference in reliability of each other. and, sprint saves you 50% on most current national carrier rates. save money on your phone bill, invest it in your small business. wouldn't you love more customers? i would definitely love some new customers. sprint will help you add customers and cut your costs.
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it was worth it. boy there's only one first. this debate was the first time we saw clinton and trump toe-to-toe. they had different approaches. preparation. clinton prepared. she talked about it last night. it was obvious. just as obvious as trump's lack of obvious. he thought it be like loose. let's talk with it with talk radio host for kabc and trump supporter john phillips. there was a moment last night where hillary clinton looked at donald trump which did not happen often. she said i did prepare for this, john. you know what else i prepared for? being president of the united states. the assumption was i will be loose. i'm not like the robot and come on with prepared answers.
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what was your take? >> he is selling a different hand. she was around a long time. she was first lady. she was senator and secretary of state. he said i'm the outsider businessman. that goes to the temperament issue. he said i have the temperament of someone going to washington d.c. with little patience and try to change in a dramatic way. >> there was a moment that hillary clinton did not seem prepared for. one answer. that is what have you accomplished. you thought about these things for 30 years, but what did you accomplish. let's play that moment. >> you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? for 30 years you have been doing it and now you are just starting to think of solutions. excuse me. i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. >> well, actually, i have thought about it quite a bit.
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>> for 30 years. >> i have -- well not quite that long. i think my husband did a pretty good job in the 1990s. i think about what worked and how it can work again. >> what do you think about that response? how well her husband did instead of her for 30 years? >> it was an opportunity to talk about what she had done in the senate. i think that was the one moment in the debate she may have been thrown off a bit. she hasn't been in office for 30 years. >> you could sense whether she was trying to decide whether to correct him or not. >> does she have a huge signature issue? >> she has a signature issue. she has significant accomplishments in the senate. whether she has significant accomplishments as first lady and secretary of state. what they were talking about was the economy and i think what she
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was saying this is prospective. she hasn't been involved in the domestic economy in the past couple years. >> she did not say let me tell you what i accomplished. >> the most important piece for her in that moment was to undermine his attitude about what he had done. he is out there saying i have done this. my business experience shows it. she had a lot to say on his business. >> she did. let's play the sound last night. hillary clinton using donald trump's business experience into a window of what might not be good. >> we have an architect in the audience who designed one of your clubhouses at one of your golf courses. it is a beautiful facility. it immediately was put to use and you wouldn't pay what the man needed to be paid what he was charging you. >> maybe he did not do a good job and i was unsatisfactoied w his work which the country
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should do. >> notorious for handling with the vendors he used. what does this mean? >> i don't think that is her most effective line of attack on him. if you go back to the abc poll, voters trust him on the economy. anytime she ties him to that businessman label, that helps him. >> quick follow. i never thought of this before. she says we don't know what's in your taxes. maybe you don't pay many taxes. he says that makes me smart. >> he is bragging on not paying taxes. >> here is what is interesting. nobody wants to pay more than you have to. be honest. we want to pay less taxes. here is my question, john. is there a responsibility to do something to add to society? when you are of the super wealthy, taking him at his own word.
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the idea you pay nothing. is there something wrong about that? >> i think you said most americans would do that if they could. with the loopholes and tax complicated system we have. >> when you say this to somebody making $42,000 a year or $50,000 a year and they have three kids. they need that. super wealthy paying zero. >> they don't have access to the huge amount of depreciation you get with real estate opposed to minimum wage salary. >> it is a rigged system. >> it is a rigged system. first he is complaining how high taxes are and how everybody talks to him about how much they have to pay taxes. and his tax plan is to reduce taxes and he admits he himself doesn't pay taxes. which is it? i don't think he can have it both ways. this is actually going to come back to haunt him over the next couple days.
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you don't brag on not contributing to your country and you don't brag on cheating people out of pay. >> i don't know. john makes an interesting point too. we will see how it plays out. >> thank you. all right. we have a lot of coverage. we barely scratched the surface of what was said last night and what could have a big impact on the election. issues about race. issues about how to make this country come together. who got it right? who didn't? when "new day" returns.
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donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. you know what else i prepared for, to be president. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries or even spends 11 hours testifying, he can talk to me about stamina. >> i will bring back jobs. it's going to be a beautiful
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thing. >> we tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. >> i was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. i think i did a good job. >> why won't he release his tax returns. >> why did she delete 33,000 e-mails? >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not. >> yeah, why not. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's tuesday, september 27th. hillary clinton and donald trump finally face to face in their first presidential debate. wow, it was worth the wait. it lived up to the hype. cl clinton's jabs had trump playing defense much of the time. there were big issues discussed. racism, sexism. trump painted clinton as a typical politician, calling her out for 30 years of bad
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experience. >> we know what you're asking this morning. who won? a new cnn post-debate poll shows it was a big night for clinton. coming up, we'll speak to a panel of voters, there they are now. hello, voters. how did the debate affect their choice for president? a couple of them are undecided. we have it all covered for you. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. >> hey, alisyn. we know both candidates were going in with a specific message they wanted to prepare. hillary clinton, ready for the oval office. donald trump, the change maker. but that doesn't mean they weren't willing to take a few swings at each other. if you ask them, land a few hay makers. >> i have a feeling that by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not. >> why not. yeah, why not. >> reporter: the highly anticipated duel between hillary clinton and donald trump began with an

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