experience. >> we know what you're asking this morning. who won? a new cnn post-debate poll shows it was a big night for clinton. coming up, we'll speak to a panel of voters, there they are now. hello, voters. how did the debate affect their choice for president? a couple of them are undecided. we have it all covered for you. let's begin with cnn's phil mattingly. >> hey, alisyn. we know both candidates were going in with a specific message they wanted to prepare. hillary clinton, ready for the oval office. donald trump, the change maker. but that doesn't mean they weren't willing to take a few swings at each other. if you ask them, land a few hay makers. >> i have a feeling that by the end of this evening i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not. >> why not. yeah, why not. >> reporter: the highly anticipated duel between hillary clinton and donald trump began with an exchanging of
pleasantries. >> secretary clinton, yes? is that okay? good. i want you to be very happy. >> reporter: but it didn't take long for the gloves to come off. >> the kind of plan donald has put forth would be trickle-down economics all over again. i call it trumped-up trickle-down. >> nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed. now you want to approve transpacific partnership. >> reporter: trump repeatedly casting clinton as a typical politician while attempting to portray himself as a change agent. >> you've been doing this for 30 years. why are you just thinking about these solutions right now? >> reporter: clinton putting trump on the defensive for much of the debate, baiting gop nominee on his business record. >> donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006, gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money.
we well, it did collapse. >> that's called business, by the way. >> 9 million people lost their jobs. >> reporter: challenging him on his refusal to release his tax returns. >> i will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes. >> that makes me smart. >> he's paid zero. that means zero for troops, zero for vets, zero for schools or health. >> reporter: trump pouncing on clinton about her use of private e-mail but not dwelling on it. >> i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> and if i had to do it over again, i would obviously do it differently. >> that was more than a mistake. that was done purposely. >> reporter: and insisting she can't be trusted. >> i have much better judgment than she does. there's no question about that. i also have a much better temperament than she has.
>> woo. okay. >> reporter: trump on the defensive over years of false claims that president obama wasn't born in the u.s. >> i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> reporter: clinton hitting trump hard, dubbing his crusade racist. >> so he tried to put the whole racist birther lie to bed. but it can't be dismissed that easily. so he has a long record of engaging in racist behavior, and the birther lie was a very hurtful one. >> reporter: debate moderator lester holt fact checking in realtime, trump insisting he did not support the iraq war despite proof that he did. >> i did not support the war in iraq. >> 2002 -- >> that is a mainstream media
nonsense put out by her. >> the record shows otherwise. >> the record shows that i'm right. >> reporter: the fiery debate ending on a personal attack of clinton. >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. and i don't believe she does have the stamina. to be president of the this country, you need tremendous stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. >> reporter: but the veteran debater fought back at trump's critiques. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate, and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for?
i prepared to be president, and i think that's a good thing. >> reporter: and guys, there's no question, for large portions of the debate, donald trump was on the defensive, more so than hillary clinton. there might be a good reason why. some of his wheelhouse issues didn't come up. no talk of immigration, no talk of a border wall, no talk of benghazi, even though one of his guests in the front row of the audience was a survivor of the benghazi attack. there are two debates left. you can be rest assured those issues will come up in the future. as for the candidates themselves, it's all about the swing state, once again back on the campaign trail. hillary clinton in north carolina. trump in florida. two states they desperately want to win. >> phil, very simple instruction on display last night. everything you see on this show today is a function of preparation. we work our butts off to get things right and communicate with you. we saw that on display last night with the two candidates as
well. just after the debate ended, cnn polled debate watchers. they overwhelmingly chose hillary clinton as the winner. 62% of respondents thought clinton won the debate. that's an unusually high number. most debates are kind of a wash. 27 having trump on top. the poll sample of debate watchers, no question, skews slightly in favor of democrats. more democrats responding than republicans. that's not unusual. when supporters feel that they won and did well, they usually respond more to these different analyses that are presented to them. but it was a big night. the race is going to be different as a result. >> so let's bring in our panel. we have cnn political analyst and presidential campaign correspondent for "the new york times," maggie haberman. cnn senior political analyst ron brow bro bro brownstein. errol louis and david gregory. maggie, let me start with you. we've heard from many people who thought donald trump came on
strong the first half an hour. in some ways he owned or at least did a very aggressive and strong job then sort of wilted. what was your analysis? >> something close to that. i thought he had a couple very good lines at the beginning, particularly on trade, where i think clinton had a not great answer. she was not forthcoming and clear about tpp, the trans-pacific partnership. >> let's play it, maggie. then people will get the context. here it is. wait for it. >> your husband signed nafta, which was one of the worst things that ever happened in the manufacturing industry. >> that's your opinion. >> you go to new england, go to ohio, pennsylvania, you go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation where manufacturing is down 30, 40, sometimes 50%. nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere, but certainly ever signed in this country. now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. you were totally in favor of. then you heard what i was saying, how bad it is, and you said, i can't win that debate. but you know if you did win, you
would approve that, and that will be almost as bad as nafta. >> well, that is just not accurate. i was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in -- >> you called it the gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen. >> he owned that exchange. >> well, i think he owned it to a point. i think at the end when he was talking over her and sounding like he was bellowing, i don't know that the style of that was good. i think the substance was good. i think when he painted the outsider case at another point, saying she's been there for 30 years, i haven't, was also gad for him. those were really the two moments. in a general election debate for president, it is up to the nominees to bring their case. if you are basically waiting for the moderator to ask the question and lead you there, you are going to be lost. that's what we saw with donald trump. he didn't talk about benghazi. he didn't talk about e-mails more than once.
he did not talk about immigration, his signature issue. there were a lot of things he could have done. i think overall, he did fade in the back end. i think clinton got in the hits, especially at the end, that she wanted to get in. most of this going to be set by who we all say are winners today. for the last however many hours it's been since the debate, i can't remember, nine, eight, basically the takeaway has been that she won. i think first base you're donald trump watching this takeaway, i'm curious how it will impact his view of the upcoming debates. >> the good news is the voters won last night. they got a good look at these two people. they're really contrasting styles. to your point about preparation, hillary clinton was ready for a good hammer that trump has used on her, which is stamina. we know about her recent health problems with pneumonia, what that projects. here's how that exchange went. >> you said she doesn't have, quote, a presidential look. she's standing here right now. what did you mean by that? >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina.
i said she doesn't have the stamina. and i don't believe she does have the stamina. to be president of this country, you need tremendous -- >> well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> and she stood very strong on that stage last night, barely drinking any water, seemed to have the right vim and vigor for it. how does that play? >> i think it neatly refuted the case he was trying to make. that was always the weakness of that attack. saying that, you know, she might collapse, that she's not ready, she doesn't have the stamina and so forth. all she has to do is simply stand there. that sort of cancels that argument. i thought all along it was kind of a mistake for the trump organization -- for the trump
campaign to get into all of that because she's going to be on the campaign trail. once you put that the out there, all a crowd has to do is see her come bounding out of the plane and give an energetic performance of the kind she gave last night and the issue is moot. >> but they did feed it for a minute, when they were covering up the pneumonia, when they weren't been honest and forthright that she was ill that entire time. that did feed donald trump's argument that she was wilting on the campaign trail. >> better than having an answer about stamina was having stamina. he kind of faded in the final third. it really got to me, donald trump had one overriding test in this debate. by all indications, he failed it. he's laboring under the fact he's in the final month facing the highest proportion of voters ever for a nominee who says he's not qualifying to be president. this was his single best chance to reduce those numbers. the cnn instant poll, 67% of
those surveyed said clinton showed that she had what it takes to be president. 55 said donald trump did not convince them, and that number was even higher among the college educated white voters who are the principal barrier between where he is and where he needs to go. this may not change the horse race that much overnight or even in the near term because the country is so polarized, but what this does is makes it tougher for him to grow from where he is to where he ultimately needs to be. >> david, of course donald trump's taxes came up, the ones that he has refused to release. he says he's under audit. so it's hard to tell if he won this point or lost it. watch this. >> or maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart.
>> there you go, david. does that -- if he avoided paying federal taxes, which is everyone's dream, let's admit it, does that make him smart or does that make him selfish? >> it makes him a prime target for her next ad that no doubt will be coming in the next day or days. this is a huge opening. this is what happens when you buck convention as a presidential candidate and you're not forthcoming with something that other candidates in history have done since nixon. release your taxes that can show whether you're as wealthy as you say you are, whether you pay taxes like other people do, whether you give philanthropically the way you would be expected to do. i thought this was a very strong moment for hillary clinton because he's created this area of question and doubt, and she drove right through it. i think she extracted from him a key debating point she can amplify on, which is it appears that he was conceding that he's not paid federal income tax. i did hear him say later he's paid federal taxes.
has he paid federal income tax. i think that may continue. what ron said is important. these are two candidates on the world stage last night. the fundamental test is, can you see this person as president of the united states? that's the test on the world stage. i think hillary clinton looked much more presidential. he, i thought, exceeded expectations for the first 30 minutes, maybe even the first hour. then he just unraveled. taxes, birtherism, attacking women, the worst of donald trump that we've seen in the course of the campaign. >> panel, stick around. we have many more questions for you. coming up on "new day," we'll also hear from both sides in our 7:00 hour. we're going to speak to the interim dnc chairwoman donna brazile, as well as the trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. >> jam packed. no question one of the big reasons we get excited about these debates is because the opportunities presented for both candidates to make big scores
one of the things that came up during the debate that became a real flash point was when donald trump was asked directly about his role in the birtherism controversy. take a look. >> in the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most americans have accepted for years, the president was born in the united states. the question is, what changed your mind? >> well, nobody was pressing it. nobody was caring much about it. i figured you'd ask the question tonight, of course. but nobody was caring much about it. but i was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. and i think i did a good job. and i think i did a great job and a great service not only for the country but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> now, the moment that came out of that, that you didn't get to see there, is that lester holt said to the people who were
offended by what that was -- and remember, it wasn't just a sham trying to delegitimize the president. it was the motivation for it. it was seen as being inherently racist. so he says, i say nothing. our panel joining us again. errol louis, he's given an opportunity to recognize the racist motivations, put it behind him, and he says, i say nothing to those people. how big a deal? >> huge blown opportunity. it certainly helps to cancel out much of what he's talked about in the last few weeks about how he's going to do all this outreach to black communities and so forth. it made clear those were not really genuine assurances, that it wasn't genuine outreach, and he hasn't thought this through. even in the clip you played, he did not answer the question. he wasn't listening for the question. he knew he was going to have to say something about birtherism, so he had this sort of concocted answer, which was involved sort of falsely accusing clinton of having started the whole thing
without ever addressing why did you go on for five years. what does this say about your relationship to these communities. what do you want to do to be something of a healer. race relations at a time when people are being kill ed, when people are burning stuff in the streets in charlotte, demonstrating on a daily basis, this is a big national conversation. a president has to be able to talk about it. >> and it was such a big moment. it was so important for hillary clinton in a sense that she has to activate those pieces of the obama coalition who have been slow to warm to her, african-americans. in that moment, he just blew it. >> did she seize it? >> if you look at polling that's come out in the last week, very consistently hillary clinton is leading among all voters of color, african-americans, hispanic, asian-americans, mixed race combined by about 45 to 50 points. that's in the enough. usually democrats win by about 60 points. obama did and the predecessors back into the '90s.
the reason is she's suffering a lot of defection among younger voters of color, just like white millennials, toward those third-party candidates. i think that last night that exchange and also her very emphatic embrace of criminal justice reform and her kind of somewhat risky and striking talk about implicit bias was all efforts to -- she really put her chips down in basically saying, we're a changing country, and we have to adapt to this. it was a very focussed effort to speak to that obama coalition, particularly those millennial voters who have been and are remaining a significant challenge for her. >> maggie, what was remarkable is you knew birther was going to come up and be asked by lester holt. and he didn't have a hit it out of the park answer. what if he had done something completely unpredictable and unexpected and apologized? >> one of the things i was struck by in his performance throughout last night, particularly in that exchange, is this is the donald trump we know. there was not some donald trump
8.0 who showed up. donald trump 8.0 would have apologized and done something that we did not expect. donald trump does not like to be apologize. we know that very well. he's also been, just based on all my reporting around the campaign, he's enormously frustrated by this conversation, genuinely does not want to listen to urgings from aides that he deal with it differently. that whole effort you saw from rudy giuliani and kellyanne conway and others saying publicly, you know, he believes that now, he's put it behind him, was an effort to speak to him through tv, as aides do, ahead of the debate. he's just not there. he said to "the washington post" when asked about it two weeks ago that he thought this was not an issue black voters cared about, that it was an issue reporters cared about. >> to paraphrase donald trump last night, wrong. >> so i think that moment to --
trump certainly is not aware how damaging that moment was. >> david gregory, up in boston, you have talked about the idea of an issue that's often a metaphor as well, a test of the candidate, how they'll deal with the pressure, as errol said, how they'll be conversant on discussions you have to have as president. what did you see on this? >> to maggie's point, i think this is so important. here you have his top advisers trying to speak to him through the media saying, stop it, this is lunacy. this birther nonsense is a racist lie. you're only hurting yourself. it reminds me when he attacked the judge for his mexican heritage and said it was unfair when it came to deciding this legislation. his own lawyer in court never made any complaint about that judge, never suggested that he was unfair, said he was doing his job. that lawyer, one of the best in the country. what did it show? donald trump didn't care, didn't listen to the top people he had around him. this is a temperamental test.
how would you handle the rigor of the presidency? the fact that on the debate stage last night he takes on the moderator for asking the question about this racist lie perpetuated over five years, and after he already produced the birth certificate, which he said was a litmus test, he kept on and tried to insinuate that hillary clinton and sidney blumenth blumenthal, on and on. does anybody know who these people are? talk about going down a rabbit hole. it was a complete unraveling after a very solid half an hour to 45 minutes of a more disciplined and prepared trump. that's what the rigor of these debates can uncover. >> quick question for you, ron. something came up last night that was a head scratcher for me. how much taxes do you pay? she says you pay none and that's why you're hiding your taxes. he says that makes me smart. nobody wants to pay taxes. there was an interesting thing at play. i wonder about the college educated whites you caution us all the tame. the idea that one of the wealthiest men in the country brags about contributing nothing
to society, how does that play? we don't want to pay taxes, but the idea that he pays none when he makes so much, what's the plus/minus? >> the idea he's gaming the system is not popular. i think, look, they are taking on water for not releasing the taxes. as she accurately pointed out, there must be a reason why they are choosing to take on that water. >> he won't even put out his audit letter. >> on the other hand, part of donald trump's appeal to the voters who like them is that because he is from inside the system, he's more likely to be able to shake it up. he often makes the case, i hire lobbyists, i know how to curb lobbyists. maybe it's the same thing on taxes. >> we're going to ask our voter panel how they feel about that claim when we talk to them soon. thank you, panel. >> that's what it was all about. you can't get enough of this. seeing the actual candidates next to each other, going at it on the issues that matter to
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let's do a cnn reality check right now on clinton and trump's first debate. clinton making a bold claim on jobs and also calling out trump for flip-flopping on the war in iraq. john berman joins us now with the facts. hi, john. >> hey, alisyn. let's get real, shall we. the night began with a discussion about jobs. hillary clinton wanted to talk about the economy. this is what she said about her and donald trump's jobs plan. >> people have looked at both of our plans, have concluded that mine would create 10 million jobs and yours would lose us 3.5 million jobs. >> that's a pretty black-and-white claim from hillary clinton. she says her plan would create more jobs than donald trump. she's quoting from a report from
moody's analytics. it does use the 10 million figure. but moody's also says something else, which is that if nothing happens f no one does anything, jobs would increase by about 7 million anyway, so most of the games would not be hers. because trump's plan uses a completely different timeline, his losses might not be so big either. so a verdict here is true but misleading. now, when it comes to fact checking and donald trump, the granddaddy of them all is the issue of his support for the iraq war. this is what hillary clinton had to say about it last night. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> that is absolutely proved over and over again. >> wrong. >> so hillary clinton's claim just to make it clear is that like her, donald trump supported the invasion of iraq. this is what he said before the war, which is what matters here. he told howard stern in an interview in september 2002 that
he would support the invasion. that's what he said when asked. yeah, i guess so, i wish the first time it was done correctly. then in march of 2003, again, as the invasion is about to begin -- actually, just after it began, he told neil ka view toe of fox, it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint. now, a little less than a week after that, he did tell "the washington post" the war is a mess. so he flip-flopped but only then. in august 2004, a year after the invasion, more than a year after the invasion, he asked "esquire" magazine, what's the purpose of this whole thing? we'll also just draw your attention to the snazzy cover. our verdict here is hillary clinton's claim that donald trump publicly supported the war before the invasion and just after the invasion, her claim is true, which means that donald trump's repeated assertion that he opposed the war is plain false. now, for all the reality checks, go to our website, which is cnn.com/realitycheck. chris? >> you can add "oh, gee" to
trump's list of accomplishments because of that beautiful neck wear. thank you very much. so there were a lot of issues that came up last night, abroad, but also here, of how to protect the homeland and specifically the idea of policing. two of the issues that hillary clinton and donald trump fiercely debated last night. what did each say and how will those answers affect the rest of the race. we have supporters from congress for each.
big issues on the table last night and the first time to you got to see the candidates toe to toe, competing on their plans. national security, racial injustice. they had very different visions. who did a better jb of delivering their message? let's ask our next guests. congressman hakeem jeffries is a democrat from new york who endorsed hillary clinton, and congressman sean duffy is a republican from wisconsin who has endorsed donald trump. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. let me tee up a piece of sound and i'll get your comments. here is donald trump bringing the became to hillary clinton about the plans to defeat isis. >> she's telling us how to fight
isis. just go to her website. she tells you how to fight isis on her website. i don't think general douglas macarthur would like that too much. >> well, at least i have a plan to fight isis. >> no, no. you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> no, we're not. >> you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. no wonder you've been fighting isis your entire adult life. >> please, go to the fact checkers. get to work. >> well, clearly hillary clinton has not been fighting isis her entire adult life. hakeem, let's start with you, congressman. how do you think that played to clinton's advantages, the idea of having a plan you put out versus operational security concerns? >> well, she has a plan she's put out to the american people, which is a responsible thing to do as a presidential candidate. it's obvious she hasn't laid out the precise nature of everything she's going to do, but she's given us the broad outlines in terms of her dealing with the isis issue. clearly she said we need an intelligence surge, which is
appropriate, in order to protect the homeland. we need to strengthen our relationship with our allies over in the middle east in terms of working with the arabs and the kurds who can be forces for us on the ground. she's indicated we're not going to send forces ourselves. donald trump has not said anything. it's not clear that he has any real understanding. the fact he would claim that she's been fighting isis her entire life when isis is a relatively recent phenomenon, speaks for itself. >> but he did spin away from something he had been saying. the idea of the secret plan that he had said he had. that seems to have become an afterthought. he wants to deal with operational security. is the secret plan gone from donald trump's tool box? >> well, no, i think he obviously has a plan to defeat isis. i think you have to look at first what hillary was talking about was exactly what barack obama has been doing. try to put someone else's boots on the ground, try to bomb them, and then have a twitter war with them. in essence, that hasn't really
worked. i think donald made a good point. do you try to lay out your strategy of everything you will do and what box you'll fight in to the enemy in which you fight? that doesn't make a lot of sense. i think trump was pretty good making that point. you need a different strategy. i think he's willing to put some boots on the ground. and i think he also made the good point that when hillary clinton was secretary of state and barack obama was new in office, isis didn't exist. they created a vacuum by the withdrawal of troops from iraq. her failed syria policy allowed the rise of isis and allowed it to grow and expand and inspire people all around the world. in the last 7 1/2 years, that was the threat they created. now donald trump is saying, i'm the one who will actually fix it. >> on that point, congressman jeffries, hillary clinton took that head on last night, the idea of how isis was born. she said trump is trying to conveniently forget two things. one, president bush negotiated the withdrawal of troops. the iraqi government was resistant to having u.s. troops on the ground at that time.
and the idea that isis was actually born out of the prisons some years before that, not during president obama's administration. do you think those points resonate with people? >> those points were very important. facts matter. the context by which isis was born, if you would have believed donald trump, this was all a creation of barack obama and hillary clinton. nothing could be further from the truth. the climate was created because of the failed war in iraq that was inappropriate in terms of getting involved and then terribly prosecuted while we were there. we negotiated an agreement to get the united states troops out. you then tied up the next administration in terms of what was possible, and you had individuals who were founders of isis who you had in custody in iraq that you let go that helped to create this entire phenomenon. >> now, donald trump made two strong points last night on this area. one was about how we're securing ourselves abroad, which we're discussing now, but also here at home and the need for law and order. take a listen to this. >> secretary clinton doesn't
want to use a couple of words. and that's law and order. we need law and order. if we don't have it, we're not going to have a country. we have a situation where we have our inner cities, african-americans, hispanics are living in hell because it's so dangerous. you walk down the street, you get shot. whether or not in a place like chicago you do stop and frisk, which worked very well. mayor giuliani is here. worked very well in new york. it brought the crime rate way down. but you take the gun away from criminals that shouldn't be having it. >> he's getting a lot of heat for this, congressman duffy. i want to the hear from you what you think benefit of this, just for the audience. chicago does have stop and frisk right now. why does donald trump believe that stop and frisk is the key to crime reduction in this country? >> well, i don't know he's saying it's the key, but it's a part of how you try to keep neighborhoods safe. and if you live in a neighborhood in the inner city that is not safe, that you have
gun violence, you don't have a lot of opportunity, you don't have a new investment in your community, those are all issues that i think he brought up that you have to talk about and you can't have safe neighborhoods. you can't have opportunity for investment unless you have law and order. i think he made a good point that in these inner cities, they've had democrat rule for decades on decades. i think he's saying, hey, maybe there's a different pathway forward that can offer more opportunity, better schools, more investment, and a safer neighborhood, but why are you going to try the same policy that hillary clinton is going to repackage in this new form of liberalism that you've tried for the last, you know, 50 years. let's try a different pathway forward. i think hillary has offered no new ideas. when you look at education, the pathway out of the inner city or any tough neighborhood is a good education. she doesn't support charter schools that offer kids in failing schools an opportunity and a pathway out. it was good for chelsea, and it's good for barack obama's
kids, charter schools or private schools, but it's not good enough for inner city schools. let's give them the same opportunity with a good education. >> congressman duffy, congressman jeffries, thank you for making the case for your respect rif candidates here on "new day" this morning, as always. alisyn? >> did either candidate do anything last night to sway voters who have not decided yet? up next, we'll talk to a panel of voters and ask if last night's debate helped them make their choice.
i just left detroit, and i just left philadelphia. you've seen me. i've been all over the place. you decided to stay home, and that's okay. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. i think that's a good thing. >> what did voters think about last night's debate? what about undecided voters? did last night clarify their thinking? here to discuss with us this morning is a panel of voters.
hillary clinton supporter daniel forbes, i don't want to say who you all support. all right, i'll say it. the undecided voters of arlene, nicolas, and russell. russel, good morning. >> morning. >> you were undecided yesterday. where are you this morning? >> i would have to say this morning i'm definitely on the hillary train. >> what happened last night that clarify your thinking? >> last night hillary was poised. she responded well to the questions. she responded well to the candidates -- you know, the way in the past donald has gotten under people's skin. >> but you didn't think she took the bait? >> no, she stuck to the facts. she was like dragnet. just the facts, man. >> was there a particular moment where you said, she's got my vote? >> yes, i would have to say when she began to discuss the fact that being a young black man, the things that have happened in the country with the shootings
and things like that, have been troublesome. the fact that she was looking for a -- she was looking for a solution and to get together and talk. i have great friends that are law enforcement, you know. and there are a lot of great law enforcement people out there. >> got it. nicolas, you were undecided yesterday. how are you feeling this morning? >> for me, i was originally leaning toward voting for trump. after the debate, i just -- it hurts me to say a lot that i'm leaning toward the other way. >> towards hillary? >> towards hillary. it's for a multitude of reasons. first off is trump -- just his verbiage, the way you're speaking, the redundancy of the words he would say. there was no substance to what he was saying. some of his confidence made me very angry. i was on this show before. i mentioned i was a college student. when he mentioned he didn't pay any taxes, well, i'm a college student. i worked three jobs.
i had to pay taxes still. he makes hundreds -- what did he say, 650 million. on top of that, i have incredible interest rates on my college loans. >> he said it made him smart he didn't pay taxes. you're a college student. you don't think that's smart. >> i think that's unpatriotic. >> laird, you have always been a trump supporter. did last night change anything? >> no, not at all. in fact, i thought he performed better than i thought he would the first 45 minutes or so. i really like the way lester holt talked about benghazi, the e-mails, the clinton foundation, and libya. oh, wait, he didn't. it was all about getting on trump. so that's, again, a reason why i support him because he's fighting so many different things just to get where he is, and he's tied with her. >> lester holt said he was going to limit the debate to certain topics, that he had decided in
terms of american prosperity and moving america forward. so it's very likely those will come up at the next debates, but you think that was overlooked this time. >> absolutely. >> daniel, you were a hillary clinton supporter yesterday. where are you today? >> definitely hillary supporter. i thought she did a great job, was well prepared and nailed all the issues. i worried, though, that trump presented himself with, i thought, a real thin veneer of civility, which i don't think is really the guy. i think that in real life, he is -- he's rude, he's provocative, he's unpredictable. all the kinds of things that would make a very poor leader, i think. >> arlene, you were undecided yesterday. where are you this morning? >> i still feel undecided. i feel that last night we saw outrageous personalities, we saw mud slinging still. i still feel like i have concerns about trustworthiness and also rhetoric. >> on both sides?
>> on both sides. i feel like they rehashed some of the same issues from before. in the future, i'd like to hear more about their plans. i still would like to gather more information before making a decision. >> what's keeping you from, let's just go with hillary. what's keeping you from supporting hillary clinton? >> i feel that they -- you know, last night lester holt didn't ask questions about the e-mails, benghazi, the foundation. i wonder how a public servant for, you know, decades can become a multimillionaire. and i wonder if there was pay to play, like people have been talking about. >> so you would have liked to have gone into those in a deeper way. what's keeping you on the fence about donald trump? >> i feel that i also wonder why he hasn't disclosed his tax returns. i know he keeps saying, you know, he's still under audit. i think his rhetoric can be harsh at times. you know, last night he talked about different ethnic groups.
so in the future, you know, i want to hear what he thinks about immigration. i also want to hear about health care as well. >> russell, now that you're in the hillary clinton camp, are you strongly in it? do you have passion? will you be going to the voting booth with enthusiasm? or are you like, eh, best of two possibles. >> absolutely, i will be going full-fledged. i definitely believe, you know, first impression is a great impression. her first impression going into these debates, the meaningful debates, was enough to push me. enough to believe in that. so i hope that, you know, it'll be historic. this is our second historic election that we have coming up where it's the possibility that now -- we just finished having the first black president. now to go into the first woman president. i believe she'll be able to unite and do some great things. >> on that note, panel, thank you very much. great to get all of your impressions this morning. thanks so much for being on "new
your own reality, but that is not the fact. >> i will release my tax returns when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> i call it trumped-up trickle-down because that's exactly what it would be. >> hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. >> at least i have a plan to fight isis. >> no, no. you're telling the enemy everything you want to do. >> no, we're not. >> i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. >> woo! okay. join the debate by saying more crazy things. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." the highly anticipated showdown between hillary clinton and donald trump was must-see tv. clinton accusing trump of racist behavior, while trump tried to pain the country's problems on clinton. >> boy, oh, boy. there's only one firs