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this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs. >> she doesn't have the looks. she doesn't have the stamina. >> as soon as he travels to 112 countries and knee gosh st.s a peace deal, he can talk to me about stamina. >> all talk, no action, sounds good, doesn't work. >> i have a feeling by the end of this evening, i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened. >> why not.
hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. nice to see you. donald trump swears there was no sniffles but there was pretty much everything else. both campaigning deals with the fallout from the presidential debate. hillary clinton did put trump on the offensive calling on fact checkers to turn up the volume and challenge him on his taxes, treatment of women and his preparedness to be commander in chief. >> trump also says he deserves credit for what he did not say actually during the debate, that he showed restraint afterward giving a not at all veiled nonattack attack against former president bill clinton and his past extramarital affairs. hillary clinton spoke just a short time ago to reporters before her plane took off for north carolina, where she will be campaigning. she was asked about that restrained remark from donald trump but also about donald trump's complaint that his microphone wasn't working properly throughout the night. listen here. >> what about his stamina?
>> anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. >> she was prepared for that one. let's go to cnn's jason carroll who is live right now outside of trump tower. jason, what are you hearing? >> well, not just what we're hearing but what we're seeing, you know, trump turn has become a tourist attraction. that's why we've got the naked cowboy performing behind us. it's new york. kate what are you going to do. but let's talk the debate. the consensus is that donald trump, you know, for many of his supporters say he performed very well, at least during the first part of the debate, especially when he was talking about issues such as jobs, the economy, trade, even this morning, his running mate mike pence basically saying he felt as though donald trump for his first time out for presidential debate, did extremely well. he basically spoke straight from the heart and showed great restraint. hillary clinton supports saying she scored a few points, especially when she challenged
donald trump on issues such as not releasing his taxes, his support for the war in iraq, the birther issue. donald trump for his part saying that he showed he has the temperament to be president, that he also showed great restraint, especially when he decided not to raise the issue of bill clinton and his extramarital affairs after hillary clinton challenged him basically accused him of being sexist. >> i was going to hit her with her husband's women and i decided i shouldn't do it -- >> oh, that's what you were talking about. >> all of the women. yes, i sort of thought that was it. i didn't feel comfortable doing it. i think i did the right thing. i didn't feel comfortable doing it with chelsea in the room. >> trump also took issue with the moderator. nbc's lefter h lester holt. he felt as though he got tougher questions from holt versus hillary clinton. last night, as you mentioned, he also raised an issue with his
mic, whether or not it was working properly. basically, the big issue today is whether or not either one of these candidates were able to move the needle in terms of attracting new voters, those people who are still undecided, that still remains to be seen. kate, john. >> all right, jason carroll outside trump tower. donald trump says he wasn't going to do it, he wants credit for not doing it, but he just did it. >> he just did it. >> let's talk about the debate. david gergen, cnn political analyst, former adviser to presidents nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. >> and lincoln. >> ron brownstein, senior editor at the atlantic. >> adviser to no one. >> mary katherine hamm. and brett o'donnell, republican debate coach and president of o'donnell associates. he knows debates as well as anyone on earth. let us start with the analysis. david gergen, to you, simple
question, who won? >> by ultalultra ditional stand hillary clinton crushed it. she marshalled her arguments well. he came in unprepared. i think his massive ego caught up with him so that he decided he could wing it and it doesn't work well in these debates to do that. he was, you know, he was his usual trump but she came as a spirited debater. i don't know whether it's going to move the needle. >> that continues to be the question. to david's point on did she come out on top winning, does anyone here agree? >> he had a good 30 to 40 minutes. if people who were uncertain tuned in to that part of the debate, i think he might have done okay. he became more and more trumpy as the night went on. but those people will all see the clips so i'm not sure whether -- >> which campaign would spend money to air the campaign again. >> that answers your question. >> it's an easy question.
look, it's not clear in this polarized era how much you can move the horse race immediately. i think the debate was important nonetheless. coming into this debate, donald trump's biggest problem clearly was the elevated percentage of americans who say he's not qualified to be president. he's facing a higher share as a general election nominee than we've ever seen, nearly 60%. i don't think he did anything to solve that problem last night. he probably made it worse. in the cnn poll, 67% of those pollled said hillary clinton was prepared to be president. 57% when talking about donald trump said he's not prepared to be president. you never get a second chance to make a first impression. whether or not the horse race moves, i think the doubts about whether he's prepared to be president particularly among college whites he's struggling with were reinforced in a way that makes it tougher for him to grow. >> i thought she also needed, if she really wanted to lock this thing up, is to relate better to voters. to establish emotional connections with voters. i thought she was still
struggling with that last night. >> she lost more than she won? >> let's break this into parts. starting with what i think everyone agrees where donald trump's strongest moments were, and that's on trade when he was talking about tpp, the transpacific partnership, and he went after hillary clinton for her past support of that. >> you called it the gold standard. >> well, i -- >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen. >> no. >> and then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were against it. >> i know you live in your own reality. >> oh, yeah. >> but that is not the facts. >> but you have no plan. >> -- education -- oh, i do. >> secretary -- you have no plan. >> i have written a book about it. it's called "stronger together." you can pick it up tomorrow being, folks, at the book store. >> so, brett o'donnell, world renowned debate coach you look at that really as donald trump's strongest moment. again, that was the first part of the debate. why? >> well, because i think he had hillary clinton on her heels in that moment.
he was litigating the case about tpp and trade. that's been one of his strong et issues. it's an issue that i think has resonated particularly in the heartland. and it's probably what's driven his candidacy as much as immigration. those two issues are salient with a lot of working voters out in the heartland. big moment for him. moment was a he just couldn't sustain it for the entire debate. it was like a boxer who got tired as the debate went on. >> bob, some people think -- a lot of folks think a low point for donald trump, you talk about a boxer that couldn't sustain as the night went on was -- a low point was around the birther conspiracy. but also that it really started taking a turn even before that during the iraq war conversation. listen to this and then i'll get your take. >> you had supported the war in iraq before the invasion. what makes your -- >> i did not support the war in iraq -- >> 2002 --
>> -- that is a mainstream media nonsense put out by her because she frankly -- i think the best person in her campaign is mainstream media. >> he then went on into a lengthy kind of getting into the weeds of every conversation -- >> allegedly. >> allegedly. in 2003 regarding the war and his support and who he explained it to and when and privately or publicly. why was this so bad for him? >> i think it was rough because it's a long answer. in politic, if you're explaining, you're losing. he do have shifted the whole argument to say okay i may have said that to howard stern in 2002, but then after that i was outspoken against the the war and just pivoted and really focused that it was hillary clinton who voted for the war and it was a big political liability -- >> bob, hold on one second. >> we got the vice president joe biden talking about the debate. >> -- about the american people, you know, he acknowledged he didn't pay taxes because he said
it's -- he said because it's -- he said he's smart, makes him smart. tell that to the janitor in here who's paying taxes. tell him my dad busted his neck working 60 hours a week paid all his taxes. tell that to mothers and fathers breaking their neck to send you here, paying their taxes. [ cheers and applause ] i really mean it. it angers me. it angers me. he acknowledged, he acknowledged that when the housing crisis collapsed, when the housing market collapsed and maybe a lot of your parents -- they didn't lose their homes, they lost the equity in the home. that equity was for the retirement. was able to get your older brother or sister to school because they could borrow
against it. that equity was reassuring. that equity was what gave them peace of mind when they got in bed. this is a guy -- this is a guy who said and wants to be president that it was good business for him to see the housing market fail. what in the hell is he talking about? no, no, no, no. really. look, i've been there for eight presidents, democrat and republican. i've disagreed and i've agreed. but every president i have served with, including republicans, has had a moral center about what it was to be an american. about what we're supposed to do. about what basic fundamental rights are. [ cheers and applause ] this guy -- i mean it. think about it. can you imagine ronald reagan, the most conservative president we've had in -- can you madimag
him saying it's good business to take advantage of people's misery? rooting for that misery? i really mean this. i'm not joking. i'm not kidding. what does it say about this man? and he wants to be president of the united states of america. ladies and gentlemen, you know, he does not -- he does not -- he does not have the basic fundamental sensibilities and values that almost every american politician, left right and center i know have. they disagree on how to make things better for people. but they don't take pleasure from knowing that they will benefit. that's what wall street did. that's what wall street, the
greatest allocator of capital in the history of the world, went awry, because it decided they could take advantage. betting against the american people. folks, you know, it's a -- it's not those people who lost their homes. it's business, wall street business that brought this all down. that put us in the place we are. that put us in the worst recession short of a depression in the history of the united states of america. and fundamentally impacted the entire world. fundamentally impacted the economy of the entire world. it's the reason we needed to change the rules on "wall street journal." business, the vast majority of business men and women are decent.
the vast majority of these folks -- >> vice president joe biden speaking in philadelphia at drexel university here. speaking in philadelphia, in pennsylvania, swing state. >> work his crowd. speaking to the crowd he has before him. >> no mistake what he was talking about either. hitting donald trump specifically on some of the points trump made last night about why he hasn't released his tax returns. and also some business dealings about why he didn't pay some contractors. saying donald trump roots for misery. joe biden, often ambassador to the white working class it seems. >> as you were listening to this it david, you said this is a smart move post-debate what he's doing. >> that was a powerful statement he just made. because he is an authentic voice of the working class. that's where he's been, you know, most of his life. but contrast what he just said and that was to pick up on some things that trump said and go in and put the knife in really hard. versus coming out and whining about the moderator or whining about the microphones or all the rest of it.
this is a team that knows how to play the game. and if they win, it's going to be because they executed very well. >> two points, one is it's a contrast between -- donald trump doesn't have these kind of prominent national figures to go out and amplify his message. he doesn't have michelle obama and president obama and joe biden. secondly, maybe more important, continues what we saw in the debate. up until the debate, the case against trump has largely been he's bigoted and not qualified. at the debate, they began to lay out this traditional argument. he's a rich guy who spent his life kind of running over middle class working families and that's what he would do in his agenda. it's kind of late to start but you can see it's now more of a focus. >> they're doing that because millions of dollars making the unacceptable argument hasn't worked. it hasn't moved the needle. today if you watch how the the two camps are watching, he is complaining about a microphone and she's got this pretty decent line about if you're complaining about the mic, you're not having
a good night. >> the one thing about today -- if i can, about today, last night, hillary clinton went after donald trump on this former miss universe, alicia muchato who was miss venezuela, i believe, right, and she made the case that donald trump criticized her for gaining weight. called her, you know, miss piggy. >> she said he called her miss piggy and miss housekeeper. >> that was last night at the debate. and donald trump was still talking about it this morning. let's listen. >> she was the winner and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight and it was a real problem. we had a real problem. not only that, herb attitude and we had a real problem with her. so hillary went back into the years, this was many years ago, and found the girl and talked about her like she was mother teresa, and it wasn't quite that way, bub that's okay. >> mary katharine, is this more
politics to go after this? >> sometimes things like this makes me wonder whether he actually wants to win. like, that is so self-sabotaging to reinforce that message. i don't believe he was actually -- i think he brought it up on his own and doubled down on this. it's just not good. i don't care if you like him because he says things that are not nice and says things that aren't pc. that's fine. this is just a self-inflicted wound. it is. >> that's because donald trump has not figured out the difference between offense and defense. debates are about being on offense. and through most of the night last night, once hillary clinton got on the attack and was able to get on the offensive, donald trump paid defense rather than turn moments that he could have turned into offense into offense, like on taxes, turning them over to her e-mails. but on eye roiraq, saying she v for the iraq war, or other issues where he had offense to generate, he paid defense the entire night. >> looks like hillary clinton and her surrogates are looking
to keep that momentum and keep on the offense, not seeing any time to push their message from last night into today, as we've seen already this morning. a lot more to discuss throughout the hour about last night and what it means going forward. so with that the first debate is under their belt, what is hillary clinton's team's message as she hits the road? we got a little preview of what the message is. >> i think so. >> from hillary clinton herself. and vice president joe biden, her chief strategist, is also joining us this hour. >> plus, donald trump hinted at some ammunition that he didn't use last night. we played it before. he was bragging about what he didn't say even though he said it and now he's suggesting he may actually say it even though he actually said it, in the next deba debate.
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hillary clinton did quite well last night, but what was left undone last night on your guy's part? >> i think you go through a 90 minute debate, you've always got more things you want to get to. i don't thing anything significant was let undone. i think as we go forward, the case we want to prosecute more coming out of this is a very strong contrast on our economic visions. she's putting families, working people, front and center. he's got his massive tax cuts for the very wealthy and corporations. which people do not think will help them, do not believe it, because they've seen it before. i think when you talk about the things families are struggling with, how do we raise our kids and be good workers, more two income families. i think we want to stay in the economic lane going forward because we have a plan to get people's lives moving again and he's got a plan to keep corporations and the very wealthy getting tax breaks. >> a lot of people thought his best part of the debate was when the discussion was on jobs and the economy and trade. he talked about hillary clinton's past record on trade
deals and how she called tpp the gold standard of trade deals. which she did. i guess the question is why not just own it. why not just say yes, i said it? >> i'm sure it won't surprise you i disagree with your asse assessme assessment. i think when you look at -- >> talking about trade. >> even on trade. i think americans believe that we are the strongest economy in the world and we need to compete and win on trade. he's got a policy that's alienating even republicans. we have to have better enforcement. she's actually talking about it in a comprehensive, commonsense way, instead of the way he talks about it. and the fact is, we do need to make more investments here at home so we can make more goods here and sell to the 95% of the consumers who live outside the united states. if you don't believe america can compete and win, you shouldn't be running for president and donald trump doesn't believe that. >> one thing he said last night, and they think it's working, it's a compelling argument.
you say she doesn't love talking about solutions. he's talking about, he started last night if she's been working on this for 30 years, where are the solution, what you've been doing for 30 years? it's a strong point. what's the answer? she did not answer that question last night. >> first, i think it's a sweeping -- one of trump's sweeping attacks on people that lack credibility. she's been in many different roles over 30 years. we weren't going out there to recite everything she did. when he was stiffing working people in atlantic city in the '90s, she was helping children get health care. helping change the adoption system so more foster kids -- this is why she was first lady, more foster care kids get adopted. she did it working with republicans. even people like tom delay where they didn't have a lot of common ground. ness life at that time, ihe's stiffing the architects and people in his hotels. very different view of working americans. you hear this guy on the debate
stage say he was rooting for the housing crisis because it was smart business. he was going to benefit. you just saw what vice president biden said. what the hell is he talking about? i think that working people in america saw a very clear contrast of what his stao is st and fighting for them. >> she does oppose ttp and she did support it before. >> opposed ttp. we the final negotiations were done and all the is were dotted and ts were crossed, there were provisions in there weakening the agreement. she will negotiate any trade deal, tougher enforcement. and the only trade deals she's been for are those that protect american jobs, protect american wage it is and protect our national security. >> joel, last night, donald trump said he could have gone rougher. he said he deserves credit for the restraint he showed when asked about it. he was talking about bill clinton's extra marital affairs. do you wish he had gone there? >> the reason why hillary
clinton overwhelmingly won in this debate is because donald trump was a loose cannon throughout the debate. he was interrupting. he doesn't listen to anybody. he doesn't respect anybody. he was shouting. i think as hillary clinton said we prepare for the debate and she prepared for being president. and i think what donald trump showed is he came to the debate grossly unprepared. he became unhinged in a nano second, and i think he disqualified himself on every front last night. >> joel benenson, thank you. all right, no apology, no nothing from donald trump, after hillary clinton said that he spread racist birther lies. should donald trump have had a different answer, a prepared answer, on that question? >> plus, last night, did voters get the answer to one of the bigger questions of the campaign. so far. why is he still resistant to
show me your e-mails, i'll show you my taxes. hillary clinton challenging donald trump's refusal to make his tax returns public. something every major candidate has done over the past 40 years as we've discussedp times. >> trump claims he will not release them because he is under audit. listen. >> the only years that anybody'ser seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a
casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. >> it sounds like you admitted you hadn't paid federal taxes and that was smart. is that what you meant to say? >> i didn't say that at all. if they say i didn't, it doesn't matter. >> all right, more now with david ferenthal, "washington post." he has been looking into this extensively. hillary clinton pointed out that one of the things that we did not know because donald trump will not release his tax returns are the details of his charitable giving. in brought brush strokes because you've been looking into this extensively what don't we know, what would you like to learn from those returns about -- >> well, the most important thing is that trump says he's given tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars out of his own pocket to charity over the years. i've been looking hard to see if those donations exist. i've called 340-something
charities that seem closest to trump looking for any evidence any of them golst a donation fr trump. i haven't found anything since 2009. >> you have new reporting about the donald trump foundation. what are you learning now? >> one of the big mysteries of the trump foundation is trump himself has not given any money to it since 2008. it's unusual for a rich person to have a foundation with their own name on it and not put money into it. why would anybody else give their money to prop up a very wealthy man's foundation? we found out the answer to that or partial answer. these -- more than $2 million of the money that's gone into the trump foundation from other people is money that was owed by them to donald trump for a business deal. an appearance fee or something like that. trump directed that instead of paying it to him they pay it to his foundation. now, that's legal, that's a legal arrangement, but trump would probably have to pay income taxes on that money himself and we don't know if he did. >> it's interesting because just that one sentence, and i read
your article a few type times it really sunk in. donald trump didn't want to take that money himself, he wanted it to go to charity instead. that in and of itself doesn't sound damning but i think you just explained why there could be questions. >> that's right, there's two questions. one, should he have paid income taxes on this money? but there's also a question of it's not donald trump taking this income that was due to him and giving it to the american red cross or the american cancer society, he's giving it to a charity that he himself controls so the money is still under his control. we've showed he's used the money in that charity to buy things for himself, paintings for his walls. an autographed tim tebow helmet. money to settle his business's legal disputes. if he's using this foundation as a way of taking income untaxed and then using it as he would have used his income anyway, that's a bigger legal problem. >> one you're continuing to look into. david, great to see you. you can probably get the trump foundation will be part of the upcoming debates.
thank you so much, david. coming up for us, the birther conspiracy, let's call it round 5,000. trump and clinton sparring over the debunk theory questioning president obama's birthplace. trump's new defense and clinton's response coming up. >> plus law and order, stop and frisk, gun violence, race relations. hillary clinton and donald trump battle over it all. that's next. redid you say 97?97! yes. you know, that reminds me of geico's 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? helped by geico's fast and friendly claims service. huh... oh yeah, baby. geico's as fast and friendly as it gets. woo! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business after long last, donald trump does say he thinks president obama was born in the united states but he will not say why. nor will he apologize for helping lead the birther movement for several years. he was given the chance to do
both last night, explain and apologize. and he chose not to, even though he knew the question was coming. >> we're talking about racial healing in this segment -- >> well, it was very -- i say nothing, because i was able to get him to produce it. he should have produced it a long time before. i say nothing. when you talk about healing, i think that i've developed very, very good relationships other the last little while with the african-american community. i think you can see that. >> joining us now, cnn political commentator alice stewart, former communications director for ted cruz who's now supporting donald trump. and cnn commentator angela rye, former executive director of the congressional black caucus. alice, he knew this was coming at him. >> you think? >> yes, well, i wonder, with the response we heard. he said his answer to "when did you reach this conclusion" essentially was "i did a great service. i'm very proud i forced barack obama to produce his birth
certificate." shouldn't he have a better answer prepared at this point? >> i think he has answered that as he did just a week or so ago where he said yes, barack obama was born, you know, is a citizen of the united states. >> that's a statement though, not an explanation. >> i don't understand why this continued to be talked about. because clearly he's proud of the fact he was able to get the president to produce his birth certificate. yes, he did acknowledge the president was born in this country and he is not the one who continues to bring it up. he continues to be asked about it. i think the accusations that he continues to bring it up over all these years, that's not -- >> he did bring it up, he's now running for president and faces questions. you don't get to decide what questions are asked. that's kind of the way the world works. >> what you heard from donald trump last night was the equivalent of "i have black friends," right, he said for last little while, he has black friends who has advised him it's probably not best to continue down this path.
i think quite frankly the reason why birtherism is a problem for many of us is because otherism is a form of racism and that is what donald trump has engaged in up until the last minute of this campaign. we're literally in the final stretch. and he finally acknowledged something that we've known from the very beginning. from before barack obama was running for president, before he ran for the united states senate, before he was illinois state senator. that is the fact this black man, the 44th president of these united states, is an american citizen. that is why. >> he has acknowledged that -- >> okay, then let's quit talking about it -- >> no, because he needs to apologize for it. >> he has acknowledged this and it's time to move on. >> it's not. >> i can guarantee you, i've been on the campaign trail for 18 months and i can promise you the american people are more concerned with our national skrurpt, security, who's going to create jobs. i can promise you that because i've been out there. >> i can promise you otherwise because i've been out there talking to people too. there are black americans in this country who are just as american as the people you're talking about who are very
concerned about it. and that is the biggest reason why they can't support a donald trump candidacy. that is why his numbersters are single digits with african-american support. that is the problem. >> angela, i'm sorry, go ahead. >> no, i was going to ask about another aspect of the debate last night. this morning, donald trump supporters and surrogates are talking about president p hillary's performance, saying wooden and robotic, which by the way, you can't be both wooden and robotic. is that a fair criticism or did he have a strong performance? zwri think she did well. i think her ability to put the face on some of the issues. talking about her grandchild and her father and grandfather and bringing the human element in. i think she did well. i think, however, i wish we had gotten into some of the more substantive issues that people are concerned with. such as her e-mails and benghazi. but i think from the standpoint of her ability to connect with people, i think she showed a human element i think people wanted to see. i'll say i think she did well with that, with regard to that.
>> do you think she was -- do you think she was robotic? >> i thought she was phenomenal. now i'm at the point where i can say i'm not just an anti-trump person, i'm excited about the hillary clinton be who showed up yesterday. >> that changed last night, angela? >> yes, it did, i was just talking to john about it this morning. it was such a moving performance to me. i saw a completely different side her. members who i used to work for for the cdc have been out on the trail for her for months. i saw the person they've known for years last night. that was the first time for me. i'm excited about it. i don't just think she did well. i think she rose above all of trump's nonsense. the reason why we don't ever get to talk substance is because of how he answers questions and she continues to stay on point on her message. she was clear. she was to the point. she acknowledged donald trump even when he failed topd at the very beginning of the debate, she recognizeded who he was, she said it's great to be on stage with you. he didn't say anything similar to her. i thought she had a great performance. >> i think as i said, i think the human element i think came
across very well, but i do think there were some parts, as i mentioned, explaining more about the e-mails. she had the opportunity to do so and she didn't do that. that's going to be a recurring question. talk about something that's going to come up in these debates -- >> thankfully there are two more debates. great to have you with us. you know what came up? a 400 pound hacker on a bed. that's who donald trump said could be the culprit behind some of the hacks that have been going on in the united states including to the democratic national committee. we're going to talk to a former cia officer who is, in fact, running for president right now, to see what he thinks about. ed mcmullin joins us next. from leaving me at a higher risk of stroke. that'd be devastating. i took warfarin for over 15 years until i learned more about once-daily xarelto... a latest generation blood thinner. then i made the switch. xarelto® significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people
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they came, they fought, and now they fight on. both donald trump and hillary clinton after the big debate last night are back on the campaign trail today in battleground states trying to grab the momentum from the big night. >> one man who was not on stage but who joins us now, independent presidential candidate ed mcmullin. thank you so much for being with us. a former cia officer, former chief policy director for the
house conference. i want to know the answer. an acceptable answer is not "no one" so who won the debate last night? >> well, look, think both side's supporters will feel their candidate did the best. they'll feel like they were both talking to their bases. i can tell you more easily who lost, all of america. it was so uninspiring last night what we heard. both candidates were looking backward both on policy, both in terms of tone. we see -- we see candidates here who are representing ideas from the past. donald trump and his bigotry and misogyny. hillary clinton with her ideas of big centralized government in washington, d.c., unaccountable to the american people. we heard more of that. what we didn't hear is an inspiring vision for the future. a future in america where americans are more unified, where we're prosperous, where the opportunity of our economy extends to all americans. we didn't hear that sort of thing. we also didn't hear any sort of
real plan for securing america. we heard ideas about turning america in on itself. isolating america in terms of trade and defense. neither of these candidates i believe are prepared to lead the way forward in our country. >> let me ask you about your security. one of the questions last night, both candidates were asked after the hacks that's been happening in the country, who's bind it, hillary clinton pointed to russia and donald trump answered it this way. listen. >> it could be russia or china or a lot of other people or somebody that sits on that bed that weighs 400 pounds. >> are you looking for people weighing 400 pounds. >> i think he meant that person. your thoughts when you heard that explanation on the stage. >> all indications we heard about pointed back to russia and donald trump in the past has
defended russia's hacking activity. how do we have a republican nominee who's depending russian government hacking and under minding of our democracy. how is it that republicans and the republican leadership won't stand up and repudiate this as well as donald trump's racism which needs to be done still. how did we find ourselves in a place like this. i look at the republican party and i wonder what relevance can it have as a party that promotes the security of this country and providing leadership. >> you think the less than 400 pounds guy whose name is vladimir putin that donald trump is wrong about this. >> donald trump accepted the reality that vladimir putin and the russians are under mining our elections in part of hacking
activities clearly designed to promote his candidacy. i see the responsibility fall on the republican party more than anyone else to stand up to this. vladimir putin is the greatest sources of instability. he's a violator of human rights and he undermin mines and elsewe and meanwhile he's doing it to us and the republicans are sitting silently. ed mcmullin, thank you for being with us. christi testified that he told him about the lane closures as it is happening. >> the new jersey governor, of course, did deny any involvement or acknowledgments as it is going on. we'll have more of this breaking
. so as the bickering and lustering tlusall taking place, three days away the miami marlins lost one of their best players, jose hernandez, he was just 24-year-old, a dominate star and a beloved player. last night it was the first night the marlins are back after the tragic. >> lets go. >> some of his best friends on the team, is d.
i have never seen someone break down in tears aths they were running the bases again. >> that's really beautiful. thank you for joining us. insi "inside politics" starts right now. >> thank you, john and kate. i am john king, thank you for sharing some time with us today. assessing the impact from last night's big debate. exactly, six weeks until election day. question one, will donald trump learn his question? and at times looking unprepared. >> i would like everybody to end it, just get rid of it. i think once the nuclear alternative happens, it is over. at the same time we have to be prepared, i c