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♪ good morning. i'm carol costello. it is one of the key states that could tip the balance in the presidential race. and the first of those all-important votes are being cast right now. just within the last few seconds, iowa became the first state to allow early voting in person. it's no coincidence that hillary clinton and donald trump are courting voters in this battleground state. their attacks ramping up. the calendar ticking down. it's now just 40 days until the election. and a mere ten days until the next presidential debate. and it's all signs suggesting an uglier showdown. word of new tensions bubbling up inside one of the campaigns. a lot to cover this morning, as usual. let's begin with phil mauttingl. good morning. >> reporter: early voting starts
now. that's extremely important in this state. behind me, voters were officially allowed to start coming in and vote in person. for iowa, that's crucial. 44% of voters in 2012 voted before the actual election. both campaigns focused on that issue. it also underscores a problem donald trump has right now. enthusiasm is what drives the early vote. donald trump's most enthusiastic voters don't want him to change, the off-the-cuff donald trump. that's been problematic. it's been driving his advisers somewhat mad as they try to wrangle trump. a call from trump tower telling surrogates they need to act as if the debate was a big victory for donald trump. the type of victory that trump is saying he had repeatedly on the campaign trail. one thing that's barring
whatever message the campaign is trying to get out, a continual battle between not hillary clinton but the former miss universe alicia machado. a well coordinated attack from the clinton campaign. the trump campaign is continuing to respond. and donald trump continuing to respond in personal terms. take a listen. >> look what i get out of it. nothing. so a lot of things are coming out about her. i'm not going to say anything. i couldn't care less. but it's somebody i don't know. don't know certainly very well. i saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. and it is a beauty contest. say what you want, bill. it's a beauty contest. and i said don't do that. let her try and lose the weight. can you imagine i end up in a position like this? that's the way it is. >> donald trump has made clear from the start of his campaign he's a counterpuncher. he's going to swing back even if that doesn't seem like politically the greatest idea in
the world. that's what he's been doing on this issue. that's what the campaign is telling their surrogates to do as well. cnn obtaining a memo of talking points released to surrogates talking about a number of issues. specifically on this. the campaign believes they have a winning message on donald trump the outsider. something he briefly talked about during the debate. a thing they want trump and his surrogates to talk about more. when it comes to the issue of miss universe, they are willing to go right back at alicia machado and hillary clinton, talking about bringing up, according to that memo, monica lewinsky and what hillary clinton did to defend bill clinton with accusations of infid elity over the last couple of decade. it's an issue donald trump was patting himself on the back for not bringing up at the debate. at least when it comes to the surrogates, they're willing to go all in on this battle. >> phil mattingly reporting from council bluffs, iowa.
donald trump insists he won the debate monday night. he's furious at publicly admitting he struggled in round one and they've been pushing him to change tactics for round two. joining me is julian, a historian at princeton university and author of "the fierce urgency of now" and david swerdlik. welcome to both of you. david, let's start with the notion that trump insists that he won the debate last night. he wants to send his surrogates out there and wants his surrogates to say, yea, he won, but, really, most of the country knows he didn't win. >> yeah, most of the country knows he didn't win because he had a fairly poor performance and the numbers bear that out. the overnight poll from monday from the cnn/orc poll showed that 2 to 1, respondents said that hillary clinton won the debate. and you have even his surrogates saying, yeah, his performance
was, at best sort of lackluster. trump went in very confident saying that he wasn't going to prepare that much. i was actually someone who was saying it might be sort of a rope a dope in that he was behind the scenes secretly preparing for clinton but clearly he wasn't. she was the more upbeat, more comfortable and more prepared. i think she can't afford to get overconfident a week and a half from now in the next debate, but trump clearly has the higher hurdle. he now is in a position he has to perform much better if he's going to be credible in these debates at all. >> but here's the thing. we have reporting from our sources that there is a rift inside the trump campaign that they're fighting about this. that the people advising donald trump on how to debate hillary clinton don't really know what they're talking about. i'll give you an instance. these two generals. the generals have never taken part in a presidential debate. they don't really know how to coach donald trump. people like chris christie and rudy giuliani do but they're fighting amongst themselves on
whether to allow trump to be trump as they say or really like talk about issues and get into the nitty gritty. >> part of this is the fact that his campaign from the start has never surrounded the candidate with the kind of professionals that come at this point in a campaign. and so some of this is about somewhat amateurist approach to a campaign that's having a cost. and the second is a debate that's emerged in the primaries and it continues today. can donald trump win through this insurgent, somewhat outlandish style of politics in the general election part of the season as opposed to the primaries? i think he wants to make the bet that's how he wins. but i think after a debate like that, many of his supporters are very nervous that won't work. >> let's go back to, you know, this internal document that cnn turned up from inside the trump
campaign, david. the advice is attack hillary clinton on bill clinton's infidelities. attack hillary clinton for attacking monica lewinsky. i wrote an op-ed on this today and talked to women who have stayed in marriages despite their husband's cheating. and that's not going to go over well with them. 50% of the country is divorced. how is exactly this a winning strategy for donald trump? >> you are completely right, carol. there are some issues that are hard for secretary clinton to address, like her e-mail scandal. but when it comes to the past indiscretions of president clinton, i don't think that's hard for her to address for the reasons you stated. she has to go out there and say, all marriages go through, you know, rocky periods. they got through it. they're still together. and she's still here. i'm not sure why the trump campaign thinks that's going to be an effective line of attack. i do think as phil reported that one of the reasons the trump campaign is circling this memo saying they have to attack,
attack, attack is because trump learned early on, one of my colleagues reported about this several weeks ago for "the washington post" that one of his early mentors, roy cone, also an attorney for senator mccarthy in the mccarthy era, taught him not to backtrack. not to apologize. not to concede anything to the other side. and i think that's what's getting in the way for trump right now. like julian said, he's never run a campaign before. and so when other candidates learn how to run for president, they learn by running for governor. when you run for governor you learn by running for city council, and he's never done that. >> going back to the monica lewinsky attacks for a second. so julian, they sort of tweaked the attack. they'll not call hillary clinton an enabler for supposedly allowing her husband to cheat on her with many, many women. they're saying she's lashing out at these women and destroying their lives, i.e., monica lewinsky. but donald trump isn't exactly a
moral authority on the institution of marriage. is he -- so how is that an effective attack, even that with the tweaking? >> i think part of it is simply somewhat random scorched earth strategy of going after the character of your opponent. i don't think this will be the entire attack. it will be combined more with talking more about e-mails and the clinton foundation. it will be a shift away, or not shifting to issues, but focusing on this strategy to literally undercut the idea that she is a legitimate candidate. i don't think that's going to work. the most effective part of the debate most agree for donald trump was the first half hour where he talked about the economy and he talked about issues. and i think by just focussing on where things went wrong, the campaign is doubling down on its mistakes. they should look again at that first half hour. and i don't think the six points of the memo that's been leaked
get where he might be able to go after her and keep the polls narrow. >> julian and david, thanks so much. i have to get to our breaking news of the morning. we are getting multiple reports of a train accident in new jersey. we're sending a crew to the scene. we don't know how many injuries there are or how many traun trae involved. but this involves the p.a.t. train in new jersey. the p.a.t. station is involved but we're not sure how. we're trying to gather more information as i speak. still to come -- the gloves are off as early voting is kicking off. both candidates launching attacks, but who has the advantage? at least today. ♪
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scene. we don't know how many injuries there are or how many trains. but we do believe there are injuries. i'm looking at the verified twitter account for p.a.t. it says the lacka wanna entrance connecting the new jersey rail to p.a.t. is currently closed. you can see by this picture that there is extensive damage at this train stop and there you see the tweet from the new jersey transit authority. marry sciavo is our expert in everything transportation. i know we don't have much information yet but this train service, a lot of people take it and say it's kind of rickety and some don't take it if they are in the new york/new jersey area. >> so much of our rail infrastructure is rickety. and that means we don't have the
most modern equipment on it or automatic braking systems. the automatic things on the self-driving tesla, we don't have those on the trains, most trains of america and we don't have the most modern tracks that are smart tracks that talk to the train. in a lot of these cases what they find is a combination. it's also inattention by the engine engineer, occasionally, though not often, it's some other kind of incapacitation of the engineer. it's usually not the most modern equipment and the inattention of the engineer. not saying that's the case here. >> i understand perfectly. i'm looking at this picture from twitter. can you see it, mary? >> no, i'm on the phone right now, but i have seen some of them. >> okay, good. you've seen some of these pictures. so tell me what we might be seeing. >> so it election like what we're seeing is a train that literally plowed into the
station and didn't brake in time, didn't stop in time. it's hard to -- it's difficult to imagine why that is with an experienced engineer, why that would have occurred, but it could also be a malfunction of the train at this point. it's possible, although unlikely in the station there was a problem with the track. that's less likely, but it does look like literally a failure to have the rolling stop, the train and the engine and the train cars brake in time. >> so how fast would a train be traveling as it comes into a station? >> that's the most important question. now probably the first question the ntsb asks because in coming into the station by that point it should be going very, very slowly. but it's hard to stop a train. the old saying from another company, but it's hard to stop because you have got the rolling inertia, and it's, you know,
many, many tons of trains. these are shorter trains. these aren't like freight trains. for a freight train to stop, even once it's slowed down, it can take a mile. here they should be going probably at a speed, like a walking speed by the time you get into the station. no more than that. >> so if -- hopefully it was going that slowly but we just don't know yet. we have reporters going to the scene. aboard that train it's probably packed because it's still rush hour right here in new jersey and new york. and packed with people there. a lot of people were probably standing up perhaps. there are no seat belts on board the train. >> that's right. and that's exactly it. as you're coming into the station. i've been in that station and on that train. people are busy. people are trying to get to work. you're up and literally at the door by the time you're at the station. you're at the door chomping at the bit to get off and get your day started. you don't have a lot of protection at that point. most people probably knocked off
their feet, thrown around. tough situation. the good part of it is the train should have been going very, very slowly, not a high impact speed. so that would certainly save lives and cut down on injuries. >> i hope so. so my other question, because i ride the subway all the time here in new york city and i always wonder if there's some sort of accident -- doors will automatically open or if i can get out of there. >> yes, and that's something that's been improving over time. in fact, several of the train crashes in the last decade has improved. some have been retrofitted because there weren't enough emergency exits on the train. especially where there's a case of fire. people have to get out and get out in a hurry like the evacuation rules on planes. they had to figure out what the evacuation point should be on trains and increase them. and many trains have been retrofitted for increased egress
windows and every car has to have at least one and now most have more than one point to egress the train car. n the instructions are right on the window. but that is improving, sadly, crash by crash, but that is improving and that's always one of the ntsb's most wanted items to have more egress points on the train cars. >> mary, stand
by. a cnn producer paul murphy is outside the new jersey train station. he heard the crash. he's on the phone with me now. tell me what you heard. >> hey, carol. here it's a pretty crazy scene. there's a number of agencies responding. i woke up to the sirens after the crash, and i walked down here for cnn. you can't really get that close to the station. they've cordoned all of it off. what you are seeing is this massive response. you are seeing jersey city, which is the town below hoboken. hudson county, which is greater county. a number of unmarked police
vehicles, fire rescue vehicles. you have about five or six fire engine rescues here. i just saw an ambulance go by. the main sound you hear now is just sirens. sirens everywhere. >> are there a lot of ambulance responding to the scene? we're wondering about injuries, paul. >> i've only seen one ambulance go by. that doesn't mean
there hasn't been more. i haven't seen many -- i haven't looked at where the staging is and how hoboken train station is. you have to kind of walk to it. you can't drive up to it. n i haven't seen many stretchers, if any, since i've been here. as far as injuries, i can't really speak to any. >> so are there a lot of people milling about? >> this is -- hoboken is a major transit point for people living in new jersey to get into the city. and the fact that the new jersey
transit, the p.a.t. is shut down. for that all to be shut down, it's a major, major problem for anybody commuting. it's about to get very loud. the fire department, [ inaudible ]. there's only one option for people who don't have cars to get out of hobeoken and that's the bus. the bus lines are very, very long. and many people are walking down here. many people are on the phones with their work saying i'm just not coming in today or i'm just going to work from home. >> do you take that train? >> i have taken that's train before. i'm not exactly sure which one, but it's -- i've taken many transit trains before. i've always felt safe in them. i still feel safe in them. the way the terminal is, it just kind of dead ends and the train at the end of the track, there's a space people walk about and then there's the terminal. if -- i'm not sure which track
this train was obut if it did go into the terminal, it's sad because of any possible injury or loss of life, but it's a very historic train terminal. it's been in a numerous amount of commercials but also viewers remember it from hurricane sandy. this sis an area that got floodd and there's some footage showing the area being flooded. whatever happens, it's very sad. it's also an historic building and the town has fought hard to preserve it. >> paul murphy, i'll leave you to gather more information. mary sciavo, thank you for your expertise as usual. i'll be right back. when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum -tum -tum -tum smoothies! only from tums (we got a new family member and she got a nutritious meal
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scene. jean casarez is on the scene and paul murphy. they're gathering information for us. we have very little to go on. this is a new jersey transit train. it just didn't stop as it was supposed to. it just rammed right into the hoboken terminal there. you can see all of the damage. we have reports there are injuries on board that train. we heard from producer paul murphy that ambulances were now on the scene along with fire trucks and police. he wasn't able to tell us how many people have been injured because, of course, he can't get into the train station at the moment but he is trying. but we do believe there may be multiple injuries. mary sciavo, our expert on everything transportation joins us again. we're looking at these new images we're getting in. what can you tell us about what may have happened here? >> looks like it was a failure to stop. i mean, they were either in an
overspeed situation which seems unlikely because you have so many warnings to get your speed down coming into the station or you had a problem actually stopping the train, some malfunction with the train itself. or it's possible a problem with the tracks. it doesn't look like that's the most likely explanation that could have derailed at that point. and then finally, the fourth thing which will be one of the things the ntsb questions first is, was the engineer paying attention? what was the engineer doing? you know, what's was all going on at that particular time? so those are often the factors that are involved in a train crash. usually it's more than one factor, just like in other transportation accidents. it's usually not just one thing. >> let me ask you this. it's a straight shot there. i'm trying to figure out what the train ran into. would it have to go off the rails for it to run into a wall at that station? >> no, because they have
arrester devices at the end of the train. there are barriers. depending upon how fast the train was going, it could have pushed those barriers. the barriers themselves may not have been very strong and might have failed. but at the end of the track which you have a heavy train and enough speed you can push through those barriers and cause damage. there have been movie plots like this where, one was a gene wilder movie where the train was coming into the station and did not stop and plowed into the station. so it's rare because there are these arrester barriers at the end of the tracks but depending on the speed and the weight of the train, it could go through them. >> i have brynn joining me. >> we're trying to figure out how many injuries this may have caused. it's pretty scary looking. right now we're just learning
about all of the rail service in and out of that train station, how that's all being stopd, suspended, until they can figure out what exactly happened. >> of course, the height of rush hour. >> rush hour on thursday morning. >> a lot of people on board that train. >> that's a train station where three p.a.t.h. service is there which is a difference way commuters can get into the city and new jersey transit. this was a new jersey transit train not a p.a.t.h. train. that's going to impact both of those type of commuters. this will be snarled for a lot of people this morning. >> we heard from paul at the scene there are buses now, long lines of people waiting to get on buses. also the new york waterway ferry is picking up people to try to get them into the city. >> it's a trickle-down effect when any suspension or anything should happen. this is a major crash that we're seeing these pictures. >> our producer paul murphy said this is an historic station. damaged by hurricane sandy. desperately trying to save it, and they did, and now this.
>> it was closed for quite a while. there was a long time they had to repair this station after sandy. it was completely flooded. so certainly it's a newer remodeled station. but again, how many people go through that station? it's not just some people from, you know, hoboken. this is a hub where people who are in hoboken but also who are in the outskirts of new jersey are traveling through this hub. >> and talk about the trains because some in new york say i never ride new jersey trains because they're kind of rickety. tell me from your experience what you've seen. >> there's always been complaints about new jersey transit trains. and, you know, them being on time. as far as service and how they are actually riding them, they're quite fine. they, of course, run all day, every day to get commuters in and out of the city. but certainly this is scary. these pictures alone are very
scary images showing us here in hoboken. hoboken is's city just outside of new york right across the hudson river. so this is especially as you d said, the time of day there would be a lot of people on that train at that station. >> this question to you, mary ska schiavo. police are responding. there are ambulances on the scene. how do these emergency workers handle such a thing? >> they have the priorities, of course. first is to get the human lives saved. get them out of there. get people off to the hospital. already at this point, the ntsb is en route because they'll be investigating. and, of course, everything is cordoned off because it's also a potential -- well, certainly an accident scene. it could be a crime scene. they always have to look at that possibility as well. but the most important thing for the workers at this point is the human lives. they're in there trying to get
people out, get the injured to the hospital and handling the human beings, of course, first. then will come the investigation. that's why it will be carefully cordoned off because that's the ntsb's top order is everything gets cordoned off and nothing gets carted away. they'll be the ones allowed to interview the train engineers and the train personnel first. it will be the ntsb. that will be the order. humans first, train investigation second. >> all right. brynn is getting new information in. >> we're hearing right now emergency responders are reporting multiple injuries at this point with this particular accident and requesting multiple ambulances and paramedics to arrive at the scene. this is according to a source from deb feyerick. and we're hearing the urban search and rescue team has been deployed and will assist in shoring up the area and removing people off the train. not only possibly injuries on the train but in that particular station as the train, it sounds
like, it just went right through the station. that's what the source said. extent of the injuries unknown at this point but you can only imagine that we're having injuries both on the train and at the station. >> so when they say that the rescue team has to help remove people from the train, that does sound ominous. >> it does sound ominous. and the other comment was the train went right through the station. so you have people, obviously, in the building at risk and in danger as well as on the train. does, obviously, sound like speed was involved when you hear that line that the train literally cut through the station. so as every mile of speed increases, you increase the possibility and the forces on the human body for risk and injury. so speed is not, you know, speed is not a victim's friend. it would increase the number of injuries and having a train go through a station, especially at
rush hour, i can't imagine how many people there are. i've been in that station. it's busy. >> i just got a number from my producer here. she says 15,000 people every week board at that hoboken station. so you can imagine how many people may have been involved. getting back to, you're on the train. a lot of people were standing as the train is approaching the station. many people were at the door eager to get out. they're packed tightly together. there are no seat belts on board those trains. so if it -- if there was any sort of strong impact, those people would have gone flying all over the place, right? >> that's right. and their injuries would have been, you know, pretty much anything. head injuries, spine injuries, soft tissue injuries. lots of things like that. i guess the only hope would february there was a difficulty for whatever reason slowing the train down, perhaps more people stayed in their seats but i
doubt it. if you are a regular commuter, you know when you're almost at your station and you get up. i'm a new york commuter for a number of years. you go to your station so you can rush off and get to work. i don't know if people still would have been in their seats. >> i'm going to interrupt you. we have dramatic video in right now of the crash just as it happened or after it happened. this is from twitter from a man who was on the train.
>> all right. so, mary, i'm looking at that video. i'm trying to ascertain what exactly i'm seeing. but certainly the train did run into the wall. there was extensive damage to the train. part of the material that the train is made of is torn away, you can see. the car in front of one of the damaged cars was empty of people. so at least they got off the train, but i couldn't see inside the damaged train car to see if everyone was off then. could you see that video? >> i did. i could see that video and, like you, i couldn't see inside the train or if there were any people still left inside the train. with smashing into the station like that, you can only suspect that it was some kind of a malfunction on the train. certainly one hopes it's not engineer distraction. but that certainly is what it
looked like. for some reason they were unable to slow and stop the train. usually that's a train malfunction but it can be a distracted engineer. i would hope not. not at this busy hour, et cetera. and i can't see. >> we keep talking about the speed as the train approached the station. and looking at that damage, is there any way for you to determine how fast the train might have been going? >> that's faster than station speed. when you head into the station, the train is literally at almost a walking speed. you can almost walk faster than the train is traveling. and from the looks of this video that we're seeing now, this was a higher speed than a walking speed on the train. this train was traveling faster than the station speed. it's literally like two or three miles an hour when it actually comes into the station to stop. very slow. >> okay. so brynn gingras is here and gathering information for us. >> we're learning the ntsb, we
called them to find out what their progress is. they are just monitoring at this point. they aren't coming in yet to do an investigation. but this just happened. this is very early. this is likely something the ntsb would be involved in. they've not made a decision to launch an investigation as of yet. >> really? >> that's interesting. so why would that be? >> that's very, very odd other than they have an awful lot on their plate. i mean, they have had so many investigations recently. but i would be almost 100% certain to say that they will go into this because this is a high-speed, certainly not a train station speed, crash into the station. now it may be that they are waiting to allow law enforcement to have the first look because in the pecking order of investigations, if there's any suspicion of any criminal activity, and they always consider the possibility in every kind of a transportation accident nowadays. they might be waiting to make sure the police, the fbi say
that, no, they don't have any indication of criminal activity. and then the scene becomes the ntsb. so they might be waiting on the law enforcement clearance for them to go in. but i cannot imagine the ntsb sitting out an accident of this magnitude. i just can't. they'll be in there. >> yeah, i'm sure they'll be in there, too. amazing they were on the scene so fast. for our viewers just joining us. you are looking at a new jersey train that has crashed at the hoboken station. we know there are multiple injuries involved here. i don't know how many or how serious the injuries are. but rescue workers had to actually remove some people from the train cars. that would indicate some of the injuries may be more serious. the police and fire department, ntsbn many ambulances are on the scene now. that station is closed. one of my producers actually is on another train on another new jersey train. she says that announcements have gone out that this hoboken station is now closed.
you can see the extensive damage here. mary schiavo was telling me it's certain that the train was going faster than it should have been as it came into this station. and somehow it crashed into the wall and as you can see, did severe damage to the station. brynn gingras is also here with me. the ntsb is on the scene. ambulances are on the scene rescuing people. >> the scary part is we don't know the number of injuries. but you are looking at this video and seeing how this train, this car, at least this one car is completely crumbled. we can imagine there are extensive injuries. but we don't know how extensive. the train went right through the station and that's what caused this damage. we know that emergency responders are monitoring this for multiple injuries. multiple ambulances and multiple paramedics have been brought to the scene. also an urban search and rescue
team deployed to assist in shoring up the structure. we talked about that particular station being one that was damaged during hurricane sandy. so this is -- also we're learning, okay, from the federal railroad agency is aware of this incident as well. and investigators are en route. so the fra is involved. we're hearing ntsb will likely be involved. that's all emergency responders tending to this and trying to figure out what happened. >> you continue to gather information. i have a man on the phone lee who shot the video on twitter. are you with me? leon, are you with me? >> sorry. there's quite a lot of people on the line. >> okay. leon, this is carol costello. you're live on the air. leon, thank you for being with me this morning and sharing this video. can you just tell me what you saw at that new jersey transit
station? >> well, i'm right now at work. so when i was at the train station, in the third car of the train. we crashed, and the lights within out. a few people screamed. i didn't see anybody hurt in the train at the third car. and then we got out of the car, i could see at the front of the train, you know, the roof of the station essentially collapsed. and there was wires and water sort of running down. a man walked past me holding his arm. i saw some blood. and, you know, i don't want to describe too much, but i think i'm still in shock a little bit. and then i went to the front and there was a woman coming out of the second car, i believe who had some blood on her face. and then i went to the front,
the first car, the front car essenti essentially on the track station and into the building of the station with the roof sort of collapsed around it. wires are hanging everywhere and, you know, i just noticed water sort of seeping down past the track on the train and the tracks. and, you know, some of the train station crew was looking into the windows. the windows were all mangled and crashed in the first car. i think i saw a person lying down. i'm hoping they're okay. next to the train. at that point, you know, sort of directed us away from the front car and, you know, we left. we crossed the tracks and climbed up on to the train, back to the train tracks and then on to the platform where a lot of people were waiting and police
were getting on to the scene, i think, at this point. there was a man there kind of very agitated and i just remember one of the train crew telling him to yell down. he was yelling at them. told them he's not going to calm down. it was pretty chaotic. and people just in shock and everybody has photos and cameras out and ipads. it was pretty intense. i took a few snaps and video posted online. >> leon, was the train going fast? could you tell if it was going at a normal speed as it approached the station? >> you know, i was sitting in the seat where i couldn't see the window, and i didn't notice the train was going at an accelerated pace. it was just going the speed it was. i just, now looking back at it, i don't think it slowed down. it definitely didn't slow down. there was no brake.
all of a sudden, just crash. something happened, obviously. the brakes or the train engineer didn't brake as he came into the station. >> so we just got a report that more than 100 people have been injured. so there are a lot of emergency workers on the scene trying to get people to various hospitals around the new jersey/new york city area. do you -- you said you were in shock, and i can certainly relate to that. it must seem like it's just must seem like a bad nightmare, right? >> well, i mean, it's the feeling of when you get in a car crash. i've been in a car crash before and the tingling in your arms and it's pretty disconcerting, yeah. >> leon, thanks for sharing your story. we sure appreciate it, and thank you for allowing us to use the video on your twitter feed. i want to go back to mary
schiavo. were you able to hear what leon said about this accident, mary? >> yes, i was, and it sounds like -- people's memories will be different, and it's going to take a while for them to sort through. when he said he recalled he didn't hear it slow down or didn't feel it breaking, that is -- i've said that's typical with the kind of a crash where you literally crash through the building through the barriers because the barriers are meant to hold that train at the speed it's supposed to come into the station. so with the higher speed, heavy train, it would go right through it. it does sound as if it's a failure to break or a problem with the train that it could not be slowed down. and the description of what he saw is consistent with that. it's unfortunate now that we learned there's 100 or so injuries. it's very, very serious, which you'd expect with a high-speed train. not necessarily high-speed but an excess speed train crash. >> this is how he described it.
i'm trying to determine how fast this train was going. leon told us the first car was demolished. the train look like it went right through the stop. the first car looked like it catapulted on to the platform into the building. the roof collapsed. and there was wire and water everywhere. >> well, that's certainly more than a walking speed crash is the indicators of that kind of damage. and especially since it appears it actually jumped the tracks. and went not necessarily on to the platform but into the building. that would indicate that you were certainly going many times over the walking speed that you should be going. if they failed to break and failed to slow down, that train could have been going 30, 40, 50 miles an hour, which you would certainly not expect anywhere near or in the train station. but we just don't know at this
point. but that train was definitely over speed. over what it should have been. >> i'm getting e-mails from my producer. she has the day off and happens to be on the new jersey transit. she said word has spread to people on other trains and people are very freaked out right now. i see you are writing over there, brynn. did you manage to get anything new for us? >> the alarming thing is more than 100 people injured. it sounds like there were people trapped as well. you can see from the cars that it's very clear that people probably were trapped and what mary is saying, you imagine when you get on these trains and people are commuting in the morning, a lot of people stand on the platform close to the train knowing they are about to get on or get off, right? if this train was going super-fast you hope people backed up or didn't approach the train. it will be interesting to hear eyewitness accounts as to exactly what happened but again, right now, investigation. >> lot of agencies involved. mary, help us determine what exactly they're doing here.
i see there was a blue canopy set up and they have the large buses. what are you seeing here? please explain the scene to us, what they're doing. >> well, they are obviously setting up the canopies and work area because they still may be in the situation of triaging people from the train. they have to sort out who the injuries are, where the injuries and the kinds of injuries and where they are going to take them. if they have 100 or 100 plus people to triage and get to hospitals you literally have to set up almost a field hospital so they are sorting that out. also, they are sorting out, you know, sort of the evidence and what's there and being careful to categorize things that they have to take off the train to get people out, et cetera. and that's how they set up the work area. they usually set up the areas where they can work under, then cordon off the area and secure it. we don't see a lot of the securing part going on but i'm sure it's there. it has to be there, because
that's one of the first things the first responders and law enforcement which will be there is doing. again, at this point, they have to consider that it can be a crash scene from various causes, train problems or problems with the engineer responding or it could be a crime scene so they have to treat it like a crime scene as well. so at this point, it's pretty much a csi until they can rule out any possible criminal activity. >> so this is again, if you are just yoijoining me, a new jerse transit train crashed into a station. a witness to this crash told us the train simply did not stop. it ran into a wall, part of the roof collapsed at this hoboken station here. we understand there are more than 100 injuries. you can see all of the emergency personnel on the scene. i do want to take you back live to the scene now. our cnn producer paul murphy is standing by. he's been gathering information for us. what can you tell us, paul? >> reporter: well, the response has been enormous.
you are just now about 20 minutes ago having paterson, new jersey, elizabeth, new jersey fire engines show up with shearing units. also you have a new jersey transit bus showing up. i doubt it's picking up normal passengers for the commute. that's down closer toward the station. so you have a number of unmarked cars, some still arriving. you have jersey city which is the town to the south, you have bayonne, which is further south, units responding to this. the amount of -- if it wasn't daylight this entire area would be lit up with blue and red lights because just the sheer amount of vehicles and first responders here is pretty amazing. >> i can only imagine. you mentioned that vehicles were arriving with shearing units. i would assume that means some people are trapped inside that train car. >> reporter: right. and just now, there's been some
more ambulances arriving. i my self have seen four ambulances and i heard you talking with mary schiavo about hospitals nearby and trauma centers. i can say that there is at least one hospital in hoboken. it's very nearby. i'm not sure what level of trauma, if it is a trauma center, what level it is. there's a number of very, very, very close hospitals near to the scene. that is a positive in this, if this was going to happen anywhere, this is a pretty good place because of the amount of hospitals nearby. >> paul, i'm sure they're not letting you anywhere near that damaged train but i have to ask you this question anyway. are people still trapped inside the car of that train and the shearing units are arriving on the scene to cut them out, or are those people already out? >> reporter: i can't -- i can't see and it doesn't look like they are allowing anybody who
was on the train to leave normally. it looks like actually there's a number of people, the new jersey transit bus, i'm not sure if you can see it on the aerial, there's a new jersey transit bus that looks like a number of people, these people look very plainly dressed so it doesn't look like anybody eyewitness wise was on the train is really being allowed to leave normally. not sure where they're going on this bus but i haven't heard any loud saws or loud sounds of what i would think would be them trying to get people out of the train who are possibly stuck. as far as people who are still stuck, i can't speak to that. >> all right. i will go back to mary schiavo to get some of your fine expertise. we do understand that 100 people were injured, some of them serious. one local official telling us that people were indeed trapped.
so that shearing unit, how does that work exactly? >> well, it's like the jaws of life that you hear about. it is the jaws of life that you hear about in, for example, car crashes where they have to come and extract people. it's very specialized equipment to cut through metal and to be able to extract people and give people the best chance at life or at least less injuries, and to get them out. so it's equipment that can cut through very heavy metal. obviously i would assume at this point it is for humans and to get people out of the train because until they have law enforcement and then of course federal rail administration and ntsb have had a chance to look at the train, they would not be at this point, no way they would just be cutting the train apart to get it off the tracks. they will not do that until there's a chance for law enforcement and crash investigators to look at it so it has to be to get people out of the train. >> i understand more help is on the way, brynn. >> right. new jersey task force one is
what they are called, mix of troopers and law enforcement volunteers. that will help with search and rescue. that's the second time we heard about the search and rescue teams not only going to help rescue people who might be trapped, as we heard there are people likely trapped, but also to sort of look at the situation and see the damage that was caused and if that's obviously -- >> there are a lot of agencies lending help. we have the new jersey state police, ntsb is on the scene, we have probably the transit police, i'm sure, are on the scene. >> fra, as well, monitoring it. as your producer said, this is an area that is -- has a lot of help. it's right outside of new york city so we have new jersey helping out and of course, if needed, new york will help out as well. this is a location that a lot of resources could get to very quickly. >> does it look to you like they are treating people on the scene? >> they likely are. that's usually what happens at triage center, they evaluate what's happening at the scene and from there, that's where you
see the ambulances standing by to quickly get people to hospitals if need be. usually triage centers are set up right away. >> the ntsb is already on the scene. are they already interviewing people, you think, because people have to get to work even though this terrible thing has happened and they are usually quick to leave. >> well, they are trying to. you are right, people need to leave, they want to get to work. one of the most important things they are doing right there other than making sure the injured people are taken care of, is they are looking for obviously the engineer, and the engineer, if he's okay, or she's okay and able to talk, and they will set up time to talk to the engineer. they often have to coordinate that with any union that might be involved but that's going to be one of their top priorities. they are also seeing if this train has any -- the train recorder devices, they are looking for. if there are any recordings, they are asking all the people there about their cell phones, if they took pictures of things
and getting the names of the people on the train, et cetera. then of course, the machinery part. you know, trains, for example, say if people were suspecting some kind of criminal activity, they are much more involved than for example a car, because you have braking mechanisms on both sides of the train. it's not just one side or the other. there's not just one mechanism. there are multiple braking mechanisms on the trains. some of the cars have braking mechanisms depending upon the age of the train. so there are so many moving parts they have to look at that the ntsb will be very busy and of course, the federal rail administration is the entity involved in inspecting trains so they will be coordinating with them to find out when was the last time this train was inspected, who inspected it, what did they do, did they look at the entire train, which cars did they look at. are these the new more modern cars, they call them crumple cars that absorb the energy in a
crash. so the ntsb and federal rail administration and local law enforcement have an awful lot of things they have to look at but first and foremost, they are looking for any of the train recording devices and the devices record your speed, when you sound the horn, for example, is recorded, what any of the throttle movements, control movements are recorded. they are looking to talk to the personnel from the train, conducting, driving the train. those will be their priorities. an awful lot of moving parts to deal with. >> all right. mary schiavo, stand by. i want to reset this new hour for our viewers just tuning in. thank you. please stick around, mary schiavo and brynn gingras. it is 10:00 a.m. eastern time and we are following breaking news of a transit train crash in hoboken, new jersey that happened during rush hour. here's what we know. there are initial reports of more than 100 injuries. a passenger who was on board that train when it crashed just talked toe