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certainly he is clueing to his surrogates out there that this go something that they should be pushing. >> some of his republican supporters in congress today telling our reporters on the hill, don't go there, don't do that. it will not help you. we'll see what happens. sunlen, thank you so much. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. thanks, poppy. witnesses say the train literally flew. "the lead" starts right now. breaking news. one person killed, more than 100 wounded after a train on one of the busiest tracks in the nation jumps the rail and plows through a platform. the witness accounts are horrifying. the war over women. donald trump now firing back at hillary clinton for her alleged mistreatment of her husband's accusers. but is trump's campaign really in the position to be bringing up infidelity? plus, #facepalm. another simple question becomes
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a gotcha for governor gary johnson. here is a question. is the libertarian nominee taking this campaign seriously at all? >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we'll begin with this breaking news. a new jersey transit train crashed, killing one person and injuring some 112 others during the height of the morning rush. witnesses say the train just would not slow down as it approached hoboken terminal across the river from manhattan. people on the station platform could only watch in horror as the train jumped a barrier, hit a wall at the station and finally careened to a stop in a passenger waiting area inside the terminal. the person killed, we're told, was a woman waiting on the platform who was hit by debris. the injured were both on the train and in the terminal. even with live wires and other risks in the immediate aftermath we're told many in the terminal ran towards the train to try to
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help those trapped inside. from witness accounts to the investigation into how this happened, we're covering the crash from all angles. we'll start with cnn's jean casarez at hoboken terminal. do we have any idea as of now why the train was not able to slow down? >> reporter: no. that's a pivotal question. the governors of new york and new jersey would not comment on that because the investigation is just beginning. i can tell you that structural engineers are currently inside the train terminal right now to assess the structural damage. and no one will be allowed in it will it is dermtermined to be safe. at 8:45 this morning train number 1614 was coming into the hoboken terminal, as it does every morning, and then disaster. [ screaming ] >> reporter: witnesses say the train never seemed to slow down, hit a safety bumper, went airborne, even took down the roof. >> it went up and over the bumper block, through the depot,
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and came to rest at the wall by the waiting room. >> reporter: one person is dead. she is seen here on the platform. >> i am stepping over a dead woman's body. that bothered me. i backed up and looked. i said, what the? nothing you can do for her. >> reporter: with over 100 injured, witnesses inside the front car described the impact. >> it just didn't stop. just got thrown around, lights went out. i think the roof caved in on the train. >> everyone that was standing in the vestibules between the first and second car flew over into the first car. and many people were like thrown. and there was a lot of blood. >> reporter: officials say at approximately 8:45 a.m. new jersey transit train 1614 struck the hoboken terminal building on track 5 at a high rate of speed, leaving the structure unstable. >> i heard a bomb-like explosion. >> sounded like nails like on a chalk board. you know what i mean? and then just followed by a
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deafening silence. then all of a sudden i hear all these screams coming and terror, like shrieks and everything. then people just start running towards me up the stairs from all the platforms. pouring in like right in front of me. >> reporter: train workers and bystanders rushed to the scene to help passengers trapped in the severely damaged train cars. >> they were kicking out the windows and trying to get off the train. >> they were jumping the turn-stiles, climbing up the stairs, hands and legs, running up the stairs with their hands and everything. >> reporter: tonight investigators focusing on the train engineer, who was pulled from the train unresponsive. >> the engineer, who was operating the train, was also critically injured. he is at a local hospital and cooperating with law enforcement officials in the investigation. >> reporter: and the one female who was killed in this train accident has not yet been identified. she was not on the train.
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she was standing on the platform. and it was the debris from that train plowing into the station that ultimately, it is believed, caused her death. we did learn from governor chris christie that civilians who were inside the train station watching what happened, they rushed to that train and, as the first responders were operating trying to get people out, civilians were helping and standing side by side those first responders. jake. >> all right. jean casarez at the crash scene in hoboken. thank you. we'll have more on the injured in a little bit. right now turning to new york governor andrew cuomo. governor, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> good to be with you, jake. >> so you have been briefed on the crash. do investigators have any leads as to what the likely cause might be as of now? >> you know, jake, i was -- i went to the crash site. i went to hoboken. we don't -- we know what happened. we don't know why it happened.
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the train did come in at a high rate of speed. the estimates vary. but certainly it was much, much faster than the train was supposed to come in. it went right through the bumping block, the end post for the rail. and it went through the platform and luckily it stopped just shy of the wall of the station itself. and, as your report suggests, when it went through the platform, it knocked over columns that were support beams for a canopy above. and the support beams were very heavy i-beams that came down. and the canopy itself, the roof, came down. that's what killed the woman on the platform. the abrupt stop of the train is what injured the people within. now, why was the train going so fast? we don't know. the conductor, we understand, is responsive and is cooperative.
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but there has been no determination yet. i wouldn't expect one soon, jake. you know, you have the ntsb that comes up now. you have local authorities that will do a full inspection and examination. that will probably take some time. we don't know if it was an equipment error. we don't know if it was a medical condition with the conductor. we just don't know. >> mm-hmm. >> i can tell you this. from the damage that i saw, that there was only one fatality is actually the silver lining here. if that's appropriate at all. >> right. 112 people injured, of course. have you talked to any of the injured? have you talked to any of their families? what have they told you? >> we have people who are in the hospitals now working with the injured. they all have basically the same story about what happened. this was a train that was pulling in.
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they had a sense that it was going too fast, right. you ride. people ride that train. it's a basic commuter route. it starts in new york in spring valley. and then it makes stops in new york and makes stops in new jersey. but they knew it was coming in too fast, or they sensed it was coming in too fast. then, when it went through the end post and over the platform and the canopy fell and the beams came down, i mean, it was just the horrific, horrific scene. dust everywhere. but again, everyone will say that the people who were nearby were fantastic. and i don't know, jake, if being in new york/new jersey, you know, we have gone through so much over the past few years, i think it's actually made us more resilient. it's made us more collegial in some ways.
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you know, people are really willing to help one another. and that's -- that's a beautiful aspect about new yorkers. and people in new jersey. we work very well with new jersey. you know, new jersey is right on the other side of the hudson river. we share the harbor. so i have been governor, governor christie has been governor, and we work together on too many disasters and too many terrorist attacks to be comfortable. but we have an excellent working relationship. >> it is heartening to hear the stories of people in the train station running towards the danger to help people. i know, governor, that it's early and we don't want to be pointing any fingers at any issue in these just first few hours, but do we know anything about either the train that was involved in this accident, the actual object, or about the engineer who we're told by
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governor christie is injured and is fully cooperating with investigators? is there anything that we know that seems out of the ordinary at all when it comes to safety background? >> you know, jake, i have gone through a number of train accidents. you have a lot of rumors, you have a lot of what-ifs, and you have that here. is it equipment failure? was it a medical condition? was it a trainee? but they're all rumors. it takes a while to get the facts. we can speculate all day long. until you have the facts you're chasing your own tail. and that's where we are now. the conductor hasn't said anything determinativdeterminat. ntsb has not looked at the event recorder, the black box. once we get the facts, then we'll have a sense of how it happened and why it happened. and if there is anything we can
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do about it. sometimes it's just human error. i'm not saying it is here, but sometimes that's what it is. people talk about positive train control and systems as if they're talking about a driverless car. that's not the system we have. that's not the system that's in the future for us with trains. not in the immediate future. and sometimes it is just an accident. that may very well be what happened here. but we'll get the facts, we'll have the solution. in the meantime, we want to get the trains up and running again so the commute tonight and tomorrow morning is as normal as it can be. the good news is we have the p.a.t.h. train running again so you can get from hoboken to new york city and back tonight, which is a very big deal for commuters. >> governor cuomo, thank you so much, we appreciate your time, sir. >> thanks. good to be with you, jake. as we mentioned, at least one person was killed, and more
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than 100 people hurt in the crash. the victims were treated for different injuries, ranging from superficial bumps and bruises to more serious injuries. those lucky enough to make it out okay are sharing rather terrifying accounts of that moment when the passenger train crashed. >> someone had his -- i was gone, and he had only one side, all the blood everywhere. >> let's bring in sara gannon, outside jersey city medical center. sara, as of now how serious are the most serious injuries that we know about? >> reporter: jake, we know that there were patients here with orthopedic injuries like broken bones, with internal injuries. at least one person underwent surgery today. hospital staff moments ago updating us that at this moment 13 people remain here at the regions trauma center in what they're calling guarded condition which is like serious condition. thankfully none have
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life-threatening injuries. some of the patients who were brought here with just bumps and bruises shared the stories of their terrifying morning with us as they were being diseracharge >> it was a loud bang. seemed like it didn't stop. then the lights went out. and then the roof came down. >> reporter: harrowing stories from the passengers aboard the new jersey train. >> i didn't hear anything. the only thing i felt was the feeling of my car going off the track. >> reporter: victims describe the chaos and confusion of their morning commute, as those with less serious injuries were discharged from the local trauma center. >> there was just this impact. it sounded like an explosion. we were stunned. and our gar wcar was diagonal. when we got out the car behind us was straight on the track. >> our cellphones flew out of our hands. nobody retrieved them. nobody grabbed their stuff off the train. my glasses flew off my face.
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i have idea. they're somewhere there hopefully. >> reporter: one witness was getting coffee nearby and said he heard the impact of the crash and rushed over to help. >> actually sounded like a bomb went off. like, it was really loud. the train flew in. it never stopped. me and another guy, i don't know who he is, pulled a couple of people off. then the cops got there. >> reporter: over 100 patients were taken to area hospitals, the most arriving at jersey city medical center where the staff is set up to treat large numbers of people in the hospital's cafeteria. >> being a trauma consider we have many surgeons on board in the house. three serious patients with orthopedic injuries, some internal injuries and deep lacerations. >> reporter: hospital officials say none of the remaining injuries are life-threatening. the hospital officials here saying they train for this. they drill to be prepared for this, and they believe that
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coordinated effort that was in place that got those patients here, many of them within the first hour, is what they credit to saving lives today, jake. >> sara ganim, thank you so much. >> it's a safety mechanism that automatically slows a train down if it doesn't slow down when it's supposed to. would it have prevented the crash today in hoboken. that story next. okay, so what's our latest data say? our customer is a 21-year-old female. heavily into basketball. wait. data just changed... now she's into disc sports. ah, no she's not. since when? since now. she's into tai chi. she found disc sports too stressful. hold on. let me ask you this... what's she gonna like six months from now? who do we have on aerial karate? steve. steve. steve. and alexis. uh, no. just steve. just steve. just steve. live business, powered by sap. when you run live, you run simple.
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welcome back to "the lead." rush-hour tragedy, a train cat putting aftoff the tracks into platform. bringing in rene marsh who covers transportation issues for us. you're just learning that investigators are at the accident scene. map out what we know right now about how this new jersey transit train careened into the train station. >> what i can tell you, they just got there. they are focusing in on this train station here in hoboken, new jersey. that's where ntsb investigators will put a lot of their efforts. this is the train station here. and all of the trains travel in this direction into the terminal
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area. we do know for a fact that this train was arriving on track number 5. so this is the track that this train, again, with more than 200 people on board, pulled into the hoboken station. many witnesses saying that this train never slowed down, it was going some 30 miles per hour. and this purple line here is the platform. we do know and that's been confirmed that the one fatality, someone who was waiting on that platform, and that is the person who died when the train struck. so this video was captured on surveillance cameras. this was the train actually 45 minutes before the crash. so when you look at this video, it looks like things were going along normally. i can tell you that investigators, what they're going to want to do is get the event recorder, which is at the back of the train near the engine. that event recorder will tell them things like how fast this train was going, when did the engineer step on the brakes.
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this right here, the immediate aftermath after that crash happened. we do know that, because that train did not stop, jake, when it pulled into the station, it jumped a safety barrier, again, crashing into the platform, and then we had this ceiling collapse. so that is the issue that investigators are kind of faced with. again, not only the event recorder, but they need to talk to that engineer. those are going to be two critical pieces in trying to figure out exactly what went wrong here. but not only that, they're going to want to know what was his schedule before his shift. they're also going to want to know the condition of the tracks. they're going to want to know were the signals operating properly. all those things will come into play as ntsb tries to pin a cause as to what went wrong. >> we just heard governor cuomo talk about positive train control, how this train did not have that safety mechanism. remind us what positive train
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control is, and would it have made a difference? >> right. we just heard senator menendez as well essentially pinning things on ptc, saying that if that technology was in place, perhaps this wouldn't have happened. i would caution folks, i have been speaking to a lot of investigators throughout the day. we cannot make any definitive statements at this point. we don't know if that technology would have prevented this particular crash. we do know that this technology, which automatically slows a speeding train when the engineer doesn't act, we do know it was not on these set of tracks. that is a fact. would it have prevented this? we don't know. we do know a similar type of accident, jake, happened at this same train station back in 2011. this is the image from that. the ntsb blamed the engineer for not properly maintaining the speed there. >> rene marsh, thank you so much. donald trump keeps claiming that he won the debate, but new reports from behind the scenes of the trump campaign, well,
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that paints a very different picture. that story next.
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suggesting that such may not be wise for mr. trump whose exploits sold tabloids of newspapers over the last few deke aide decades. jason, trump is preparing for deeping number two but is still reeling from his team's reaction to his performance in debate number one. >> reporter: going forward he'd much rather have the discussion be about what he calls the fbi community five. the aides he calls them who received immunity. that's what he want the discussion to be about. not about his debate performance. some of the questions about his performance coming from his own team. publicly donald trump continues to push the idea he won monday night's debate against hillary clinton. >> every single online poll said we won, which is great. >> reporter: but privately trump is angry his aides and advisors are telling reporters he struggled in the first debate.
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and a conference call with surrogates wednesday trump aides making clear the gop nominee is upset by reports that advisors encouraged him to change his approach before his next faceoff with clinton. his team also stressed to supporters they should energetically defend his debate performance. trump campaign spokesman calls the description of the call completely false. this as trump seeks to rebound from the debate. trump is sharpening his attacks on hillary clinton. >> the clintons are the sordid past. we will be the very bright and clean future. >> reporter: trump is still unable to shake comments he made about former miss universe alicia machado's weight. >> she gained a massive amount of weight. it was a real problem. >> reporter: "the new yorker" taking a jab at the candidate with its latest cover showing a plump trump and labelling him miss congeniality. this as trump refuses to back
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down from his criticism of machado. >> i saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. and it is a beauty contest. >> reporter: trump's xacampaign manyinger kellyanne conway said she rebukked trump for his comments. she says she thinks he should not bring up bill clinton's affairs. gop leaders also encouraging trump to stick to the issues. >> we need to stayi on the issus that are important to the american people. that's ancient history. >> reporter: but behind the scenes the trump campaign is instructing its surrogates to use bill clinton's marital scandals as a way to defuse the candidate's comments about ma chaweda. this according to a copy of the campaign's talking points obtained by cnn. polls showing trump is still
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struggling with women voters in his battle against clinton. the clinton campaign seizing on a report in the "l.a. times" today that trump wanted to fire female employees at his southern california golf course who were not pretty enough. an attorney for the trump organization weighing in on that lawsuit from southern california saying the allegations in the lawsuit are meritless, we do not engage in discrimination of any kind. the statements made by a group of former disgruntled employees are far from an accurate portrayal of what it is like to work at trump national golf club. jake. >> jason carroll, thank you so much. donald trump says voters want a president who finds a way -- finds ways to avoid paying taxes. is that really the best way to win over voters? that's next. tiful moments. flonase gives you more complete allergy relief. most allergy pills only control one inflammatory substance. flonase controls 6. and six is greater than one. flonase changes everything.
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welcome back to "the lead." let's stick with our politics lead and bring in our panel. catherine hamm. kaly mack nanny. last night donald trump was asked if he pays federal income taxes. take a listen. >> i never said i didn't pay taxes. she said maybe you didn't pay taxes. >> right. >> i said -- >> speculation. >> -- that would make me smart because taxes is a big payment. i think a lot of people say that's the kind of thinking that i want running this nation. >> does he have a point at all? people may say, he is smart with business. he gets out of paying taxes. i want him handling the country's taxes. >> i think that moment was not as much as the clinton campaign thinks it was. i think the hillary clinton campaign and hillary clinton herself need to be careful about
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walking the harry reid lane. he on the floor of the senate said mitt romney didn't pay taxes for ten years. i know because someone told me. and it was not true. i think it could be a danger for them. >> she didn't say he didn't pay taxes. she said show us your taxes. >> she said there are five reasons why he might not be. >> the years he did release it that he had it for his casino license showed a modest amount. the key point here is that don't brag that you don't pay taxes. have recognition that for the average guy, the factory worker, the minimum wage housekeeper, they don't have the loophole options that you do when you're investing in real estate and depreciating aet cetera. can donald trump relate to a middle class worker who is paying taxes and not feeling his cavalier attitude about this.
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>> the trump campaign is signalling clearly they'll target hillary clinton as being a bully who allegedly tried to smear women who accused bill clinton of various misdeeds, including rape. here is campaign manager kellyanne conway today. >> it's fair game to think about how hillary clinton treated those women after the fact. she called monica lewinsky a loony tunes. >> kaleigh, i am not one for bringing in people's personal lives, but it doesn't seem to me that donald trump, who -- whose extramarital exploits filled tabloid after tabloid in the '80s, '90s and more, has that much of a moral high ground when it comes to the question of his rival's husband's infidelity. what am i missing here? >> i don't think donald trump should bring this up in a debate. it plays into hillary clinton's hands. every time this is brought up to her face and she responds women
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voters respond positively to her. so i don't think he should bring it up in the context of a debate. that being said, the people around him, i certainly think, should bring it up on the air waves. there are women out there who all claim to have been sexually -- the recipient of sexual aggression on the part of bill clinton and bullied by hillary clinton. >> kaleigh, which people around him should bring it up? roger ailes, steve fannin, rudy giuliani, newt gingrich. he is surrounded by a philanderers club. why would any of them have a leg to stand on? >> his campaign manager, who we just saw, should be bringing this up. there are women out there who are very hurt. when hillary clinton says she is for sexual assault victims but hasn't practiced it in her own life. women should be pointing out the discrepancy. >> hillary clinton's campaign website used to have a section about how victims of campus sexual assault, quote, have a right to be believed.
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but after juanita broaddrick and others started pointing out, what about bill clinton's accusers that section was removed from the hillary clinton website. >> look, there is nobody who has more empathy with victims of sexual abuse than hillary clinton. she has actually worked on this. she supported extra attention for victims of sexual abuse. but you know, the trump campaign is spreading this story, keeping it out there, teasing it all. hillary clinton is doing rallies talking about college affordability for student debt. that is what the american people want to hear. they do not want to have this conversation. they do not want to rehash this. they don't want to hear about donald trump's affairs. they don't want to hear about bill clinton's affairs. they really just want a president who is focused on their own issues, and i think that sending trump female surrogates to trash hillary clinton instead of the male surrogates, who have no
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credibility here is nauseating. >> let me ask you. of the three of you you are the undecided voter at the table. and you live in a battleground state. what do you think when you hear this fight among philanderers about who is more guilty? >> it's important when hillary clinton is sort of making the argument that she has more empathy for survivors than anyone else to look at the past and say, well, is that actually how her conduct went? and to deal with those facts. is it advantageous politically? i'm not sure. but the idea of believing the victim on a blanket level is such a millennial, feminist point of view, the exact area where she is having trouble gaining voters. if she is not able to make that argument to them in a clean way, which she is not able to do because of the history here, that's a risk for her with millennial voters. i think it's risky for both camps. she took that part of the website down for a reason. >> she doesn't want to continue the conversation.
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>> about her husband's behavior. >> the fact that people in hillary clinton's lives went after those people, there is still no evidence that hillary clinton did this. and i am just sick of trying to defend it. look, her husband had an affair. of course she was going to deny it. of course she didn't want to hear it until presented with evidence otherwise. so to keep pursuing this and to talk about a lack of credibility is silly. again, that is not what people want to talk about. if donald trump keeps doing this, it's just going to be worse and worse. hillary clinton is going to focus on things that people want to talk about. like student debt. >> let me bring in kaleigh. >> it's rich to hear the clinton campaign saying they want to talk about issues. they brought up the meme of a frog and skittles. they're not signalling they want to talk about issues. they are campaign has gone to the gutter. don't vote for me because i have a positive vision. it's don't vote for donald trump because he is risky and bad.
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>> hillary clinton has talked about the risk of donald trump with his finger on the nuclear button, not about anything else. if donald trump keeps wanting to go out there and threaten hillary clinton by bringing up her husband's past affairs, you're damn right she and her team are going to fight back. >> thank you so much. be sure to tune into cnn next tuesday for the next 2016 matchup vice presidential candidates. facing off in their first and only debate before the election. he showed big-time ignorance to the crisis in syria, now he cannot name a world leader he admires. why is gary johnson still running for president? plus, growing concern about russia's interest in the presidential election. why are they reportedly hacking into state voter registration sites? stay with us. you both have a perfect driving record.
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who is your favorite fortein leader? any continents, any country. one foreign leader you respect and look up to. anybody. >> i'm with shimon peres. >> i'm talking about living. go ahead. you have to do this.
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anywhere. any continent. canada, mexico, europe. over there. asia, south america. africa. name a foreign leader you respect. >> i guess i am having an aleppo moment. >> oh, governor johnson. welcome back to "the lead." the libertarian presidential candidate doing more to harm the cause of marijuana legalization than every cheech and chong movie combined. demonstrating a stunning lack of basic knowledge. before you dismiss his candidacy as irrelevant, take a look at the cnn poll out of colorado. a state hillary clinton likely needs to win in order to win the white house. in a four-way matchup trump tops clinton 42 to 41 with johnson getting 13% of likely voters. when trump and clinton go head to head clinton is up. all within the margin of error but it's clear gary johnson's presence could tip the scales for one candidate over another. it's a simple question. he knows he can't win. is he taking this seriously at
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all? and why is he running? >> gary johnson is running because he still has support, essentially. he got this endorsement from the detroit news today. this is the first time in its 143-year history that the paper has not chosen a republican. so people who cannot stomach trump or clinton are swinging his way. some, especially the younger voters believe in his platform and are willing to overlook these stunning gaffes. when gary johnson was asked to name any foreign leader he admired, he drew a blank. >> who is your favorite foreign leader? >> who is my favorite -- >> name any continent. any country. one foreign leader you respect to look up to, anybody. >> i guess i am having an awlleo in the former president of mexico. >> running mate bill weld tried to rescue him. >> who is your favorite foreign
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leader. >> johnson's campaign manager responding to the moment in a facebook post writing this, is gotchaism at its finist. johnson later tweeted out a new spin on it saying, it's been almost 24 hours and i still can't come up with a foreign leader i look up to. the latest stumble comes a month after this. johnson's original aleppo moment. >> what would you do if you were elected, about aleppo. >> about? >> aleppo. >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. >> the slip some saying johnson had disqualified himself from becoming president. >> i think it's a disqualifying statement. >> fair enough. >> will you get out of the race now? >> no. >> even on domestic policy johnson has gotten his facts confused. in response to the new york and new jersey bombings and the stabbings at a mall in minnesota. >> first of all, just grateful that nobody got hurt.
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>> 29 people were injured in the bombings, nine in the stabbings. johnson later tweeted he misspoke. then there was this bizarre moment in an interview with msnbc. >> for the whole debate and not say anything. >> meanwhile, johnson is polling at 8% in cnn's poll of polls. even higher in some key swing states. he especially doing well with millennials, a critical voting bloc the clinton campaign desperately needs. >> if you vote for someone other than hillary or if you don't vote at all, then you are helping to elect hillary's opponent. and the stakes are far too high to take that chance. >> none of the polls show johnson achieving the threshold of support needed to become eligible for the presidential debates. and some wonder, with these gaffes, how would he perform in front of an audience of potentially 80 million viewers. his campaign are continuing to fight for a place on the stage.
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which has over 30 years of experience behind it. suzan live to chicago where hillary clinton is taking reporters' questions in midway, airport. >> before they cast their votes early or on november 8th. so we will continue to highlight the differences and talk about what we want to do that's going to make life better for the families of america. >> secretary clinton -- >> right here. >> i'm sorry, guys. i am working on a feature. so you talk a lot about the middle class. you have throughout the campaign. i am hoping that you can help define it for me. i am thinking both like numerically. where is the -- in terms of policy, tax policy, where do you put the middle class? then also philosophically what is the middle class to you, what does it mean? >> well, the middle class is the social and economic engine of our country. it is in so many ways a reflection of the success of the
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united states from the very beginning, to create greater economic opportunity for people willing to work for it. and it has been one of the premier historic accomplishments of our country going back decades, if not longer. and the middle class is a hard-to-define economic target. the way i talk about it is to say, we know what the median income in america is. but if you are living in high-cost areas, if you have kids you're trying to educate and send to college, if you face health care costs that are beyond the average, staying in and progressing up in the middle class takes more money in some parts of america than it does in others. so my pledge has been that i will not raise taxes on the middle class, and i have defined it as i will not raise taxes on
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anyone making less than $250,000. because, in high-cost places in america, that is a -- in many ways a cutoff that makes sense. it's something that president obama had adhered to. it's something my husband adhered to. because when you look at the information across the country. housing is so much more expensive in lots of places than other places. and you understand why we have set it at that. so the middle class is both real and aspirational and i want to make sure that it remains strong and gives people a sense of security and confidence and optimism about their futures. >> how worried will you with third party candidates in general? gary johnson in particular. could he be a spoiler? would he be qualified in your view to be president at all? >> look, i am just going to keep
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running my campaign and do everything i can to encourage people to actually get out and vote. i think either donald trump or i will be the president of the united states. and so people have to look carefully in making their decision about who to vote for, because it will be either him or me, and i am going to do everything i can to make sure it's me. >> you have a number of republican endorsements but polls show the republican voters are still solidly behind trump as democrats are behind you. are you disappointed that you have not gotten as much republican voter support? >> i am thrilled about the amount of republican voter support i have gotten. i really am. from people who understand the stakes in this election and are real thought leaders with a lot of experience, so the 50 national security professionals who came out and said they could not support donald trump, some months ago, i think spoke
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volumes about his lack of fitness and qualify ficatiicati the job. business leaders. bloomberg, meg whit man and many others. they've been on the front lines. and we have an increasing number of people who actually have been republican office holders, one current one as you know. congressman hannah from new york. then yesterday former senator warner from virginia, who i had the great honor of working with when he chaired the armed services committee. so i am roeally honored and prod to have the level of support and the message that it sends by people who understand what the next president is going to be facing and have said donald trump should not be anywhere near the oval office. >> is this your first flight? >> this is my first flight. yes. >> welcome aboard. >> thank you very much. happy to be here. secretary clinton, the trump
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campaign is signalling that they're poised to get personal about your husband's past, about your past. how will you respond at the debates and what's your response today? >> he can run his campaign however he chooses. that's -- that's up to him. i am going to keep talking about the stakes in this election. i am going to keep talking about my agenda that will, i believe, increase growth, make it fairer, have it be lasting, deal with the real problems that families are confronting. what i want to do to keep america safe and to provide the kind of steady, strong leadership that the country needs, and to bring people together, which is going to be one of the highest priorities that i will have when i am fortunate enough to be elected president if that's what turns out. so, you know, i am not going to comment on how he runs his campaign. you'll be able to see. we have two more debates, what he says and what i say. >> i wanted to ask you a
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follow-up question. you're going to florida late tonight, tomorrow. do you think the donald trump cuba story resonates in particular in florida? you are not a huge fan of continuing the embargo. so like, who cares [ inaudible ] >> well, you know, look -- [ laughter ] -- we have laws in our country. and the efforts that trump is making to get into the cuban market, putting his business interests ahead of the laws of the united states and the requirements that businesses were operating under because of the sanctions, shows that he puts his personal and business interests ahead of the laws and the values and the policies of the united states of america. now, i was a strong supporter

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