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happening now. breaking news. out of control. a commuter train plows into one of the new york area's busiest stations, killing one person, injuries more than 100. the lead car went airborne in the crash. the roof of the station collapsed. why was the train going so fast? commuter nightmare, the train crash snarls rail traffic, impacting thousands. tonight, we're hearing from survivors of the disaster, describing a frightening and bloody scene of chaos. who are the heroes that rushed to help before first responders arrived? debate debacle. donald trump is said to be infuriated by reports some of his advisers are urging him to change his debate strategy. the gop nominee continues to
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claim he won his first contest with hillary clinton, even as aides say he struggled. is the campaign about to call chris christie to the rescue for the next debate? and you're fired? donald trump accused of wanting to let go female employees who he deemed unattractive according to "the los angeles times." the paper citing former workers and court documents, alleges trump pressured subordinates to value women's looks over skills. after questions about his treatment of the former beauty queen, does this report show a pattern of discrimination based on looks? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> the breaking news tonight. federal investigators are on the scene of a commuter rail crash that killed one person and injured more than 100 people in
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new jersey. the train was traveling at high rates of speed when it hit the end of the line at the end of the terminal. the front car flew off the tracks, killing a woman who was standing on the platform. the engineer among the injured, has now been released from the hospital and is said top cooperating with investigators. new jersey governor chris christie speaking out about prepping donald trump for his next debate. sources tell cnn some trump advisers want to give the governor a leading role in getting trump ready for his next face-off with hillary clinton. christie told me last hour he hasn't been asked but is willing to help any way he can. trump is insisting he won the debate and said to be angry that some surrogates and his aides disagree. and gary johnson facing new criticism tonight for once again planking on a question. he was asked to name his favorite foreign leader but
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unable to give an answer. he later said he was having "an aleppo moment." we're covering all of that much more this hour with our guests and our correspondents and expert analysts. they're all standing by. let's get straight to new jersey. jean, this was a very violent crash. >> reporter: yes, it is. what we just learned, the national transportation safety board hasn't yet started their investigation, because they can't. when the train came and blasted through the terminal this morning, the roof of the terminal, or the canopy, well on the initial train car. there's been water leakage all day. it's believed there could be asbestos. they have to have contractors come in to bring up that canopy, so the investigation can begin. tonight, investigators are looking for clues as to what
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caused a new jersey transit train to plow through a major station concourse during rush hour. >> we heard a bomb-like explosion. >> sounded like nails on a chalk board, you know what i mean? just followed by this deafening silence. >> reporter: a train employee says the train hit a safety bumper and went airborne. >> it up and over the bumper block, through the depot, and came to rest at the wall by the waiting room. >> reporter: officials say one woman, believed to be seen in this video, was killed standing on the platform. >> i was stepping over a dead woman's body. that bothered me. and nothing you can do for her. >> reporter: witnesses inside the front car described the impact. >> it just didn't stop, and just got thrown out, lights went out. i think the roof caved in on the train. >> everyone that was standing in the vestibule flew over into the first car and many people were
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thrown and there was a lot of blood. >> reporter: train workers and bystanders rushed to the scene to help passengers trapped inside the severely damaged train cars. >> they were kick out the windows and trying to get off the train. >> someone only had one eye and blood everywhere. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie says the train was traveling at excessive speed. >> this train came in at a high rate of speed, into the station. and crashed through all of the barriers, bringing it right to the interior wall. >> reporter: tonight, investigators focusing on the train engineer who was pulled from the train unresponsive. >> the engineer, as you may know, was injured. he's been released from the hospital and we will be interviewing him. >> reporter: that engineer has been identified as 48-year-old thomas gallagher. another thing we learned from the national transportation safety board is that the train
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itself did not have positive train control. what is that? it's a very sophisticated technology that allows a train and the brains of the technology to anticipate an accident and stop that train before it happens. congress originally said all trains have to have them, with an extension until 2017. >> jean, thank you for that report. an investigation into the crash now under way with a team from the national transportation safety board, on the scene at hoboken. renee, everything indicates the train was going too fast, didn't slow down as it moved toward the terminal. >> reporter: that's right. we just heard from the ntsb. they tell us that the speed limit as the train was going into the terminal, this is the terminal here in hoboken, as the train is arriving here, the
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speed limit is about 10 miles per hour. witnesses say they saw it going a lot faster than that. we know that the ntsb has not been able to get inside of the terminal because of all the damage. but i can tell you, their priorities are two things. they want to get to the train's engineers and also want to get to the train's recorder, which is located by the engine towards the back of the train. we did hear in that press conference that they do believe they'll be able to access that recorder. and then they'll be able to get information about the speed of the train, as well as when the brakes, if at all, if they were applied. now, this video is of the train about 45 minutes before the crash. but i want to take you back into this terminal here, this train station here in hoboken, new jersey. we do know that this train came in on track number five. we know that for a fact. we know that the one fatality was this person waiting on the
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platform as a result of the train continuing on and not stopping. it crashed into that barrier, and we do know that as you can see, the canopy came crashing down. that's why investigators weren't allowed to get inside of the building at this point. but we've been talking so much about this positive train control, wolf. we do know about a system that was indeed in place on this train. while positive train control was not on the tracks, in speaking with a former ntsb train accident investigator as well one of our producer, aaron cooper, speaking with a former train engineer with new jersey transit, we know how this train operates. as the trains pass the signals on the tracks, if they are going too fast, that signal will cause an alarm inside the cab of the train. at that point, the engineer must acknowledge that warning sign. and if that warning alarm is not acknowledged, then the train
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will automatically slow. but it could be in this instance that the track just ran out before the train could slow down. >> rene, thank you very much. we're following the breaking news, the investigation into this rail crash that killed one person, injured more than 100 people in hoboken, new jersey. the mayor of hoboken, dawn zimmer, is joining us right now. thank you for joining us. once again, our condolences of the family of the woman that was killed. have you spoken with her family? >> we have not yet. my understanding is that the husband is on his way here, so we have not yet spoken to the family. >> but you have spoken with some of the injured, right? >> yes. i went over to the hospital care point. i had a number of patients at the hospital and i talked to some of the victims.
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you know, basically i want to say that, you know, obviously they're traumatized, but i did hear some stories of the commuters. obviously we really appreciate the first responders and what they did to help all of the victims. but you had commuters helping commuters, and one man told me about how his fellow commuter basically when she saw he went down, she asked him if it was okay, and then she got his cell phone and texted and called his family, and stayed with him until he was taken in the ambulance and kept his sister updated and his sister at the hospital as well. so it's just a beautiful story of commuters and people just helping each other through this tragedy. so again, we appreciate everyone coming together. our hearts are out there for the family of this one victim, and
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there are several team that had major surgery today, but we appreciate everything, everyone coming together through this tragedy. >> we hope all of them emerge in good shape. mayor, how is the investigation going? >> well, the ntsb is now on site. so that investigation is started, they're just getting started. and they just recently came out and gave a briefing. but they're really just getting into the -- they're obviously not prepared to give any information on what was the cause, what happened. but they are giving -- they're all on site right now, ntsb. >> there was a similar crash at that same station back in 2011. did the authorities -- did everyone learn the proper lessons from that crash that potentially could have prevented this one? >> well, that's a difficult -- again, we have to see what the
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results of the investigation are, but my understanding is the results of that investigation is that while it was an issue with the engineer, it was also -- it had the positive train control in that instance it would have made a difference. so we'll have to wait and see what the results are. so making the investment, it is a requirement, that extension has happened, unfortunately, and we need to make sure that that technology is installed in all of our trains. so i'll be continuing to advocate for that. >> the technology is there. >> at this point -- again, at this point, until they do the full investigation, we can't say exactly what was the cause. >> how is your community, especially the commuters, coping with this? >> have i spoken with commuters?
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>> how is community, especially the commuters coping with this tragedy? >> i think those who are impacted went to the hospital, i spoke with some of them. it was traumatic for anyone in the area. i think it's traumatic for all of the commuters feeling like i could have been on the train or in the terminal. it's very upsetting to everyone and everyone wants to understand what has happened and everyone is working to make sure that the victims are taken care of and make sure that this is safer going forward. but yeah, the big concern in hoboken was also the path. so i appreciate the work of the port authority to get the path up and running. so residents rely on that path. when it was down for several months during sandy, that was a crisis for our community. so i am relieved that they were able to get the path operational. and now i know that they are
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announcing it, but obviously they're going to do everything to get the heavy rail operational as quickly as possible. >> mayor, good luck to you and everyone in hoboken. hopefully we'll get some answers fairly soon. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. stay with us. more information is coming in. we'll be right back.
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we're following breaking news. a commuter train failed to stop and ran into the terminal in hoboken, new jersey. 114 people killed, one person waiting in the terminal is dead. investigators on the scene right
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now. let's get some more. councilman, thanks for joining us. what are you hearing from passengers on this train about the crash? >> listen, wolf, thank you for having me. today in hoboken, it was a scary day for everybody. our city is a stone's throw away from the banks of manhattan, so there's a lot of people that work in my district in the city that are commuting back and forth to the city. and, you know, the word on the street pretty quickly is that there was a massive attack and we weren't sure if it was terrorism or what. but, you know, it was a scary morning here in hoboken. >> there's no indication there was terrorism or anything along those lines, right? >> listen, there's state and federal investigators going on. the rumors on the street are what they were. i'm just happy that our first responders were there within moments. neighboring municipalities were here to support us and the city came together to really, you know, unify us as a
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neighborhood. >> how are the area hospitals handling the injuries? how serious are the injuries? >> there's over 100 injuries. one reported fatality. i was at the hospital visiting some folks earlier today. and they're substantial. our area hospitals are capable. the physicians, the support staff are doing fantastic work. obviously, they're hard at work as we speak. and my thoughts and prayers are with the community that was affected. >> tell us about the hoboken train station, how busy is it during that 8:30 a.m. morning commute? >> it is the large train station in the state of new jersey and the second largest transportation hub. so to say this is just a train station is an understatement. this is a vital part of our community. 60,000 people cross through there daily.
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we have ferries, light rail, commuter right and what's called the path train that takes our community members to the city every day. so this is a vibrant place, a place where people are checking their e-mails and reading newspapers and the last thing that anyone expected on this busy fall morning is for a passenger train to come colliding with our station. it should also be noted this is a classic building, built in 1907, famous for architecture. it was a true loss to our community to have this happen. >> the same train station saw a similar crash back in 2011. could positive train control or automaking braking system prevented both of these crashes? >> well, listen, i certainly think so. i defer to the state and federal investigators again in terms of what their findings are. you know, what the error here
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was we can't really comment on it right now. but again, i think that new jersey transit does a phenomenal job. they're a world class operation and i know that the findings from this investigation will certainly lead towards some sort of, you know, fixes in the future for our safety. >> good luck, council, and to all the folks there in hoboken. thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. we're staying with the breaking news. we'll go back live to hoboken for the latest on the investigation into this train disaster. that's next. the check they sent isn't enough to replace your totaled new car. the guy says they didn't make the mistake. you made the mistake. i beg your pardon? he says, you should have chosen full-car replacement. excuse me? let me be frank, he says. you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car plus depreciation. call
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the breaking news this hour. that commuter train that plowed into one of the new york area's busiest stations. the terminal in hoboken, new jersey. one person was killed, more than 100 people injured when the first car went airborne and the roof of the station collapsed. cnn's brian todd is in hoboken for us. the investigation is now under way. what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf, tonight we can identify the deceased victim in this crash. she's 34-year-old fabiola decrune. officials say she was standing on the platform and killed by debris. key questions center around the event recorders. there's an event recorder in the controlling car in the front of the train and one in the
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locomotive in the back of the train. have they been able to pull those? those are key, wolf, because they measure speed, braking activity, throttle positions. that key information. a short time ago, the vice chairman of the ntsb spoke about that and whether they had been able to recover both of those recorders. >> we are going to be pulling that event recorder from the locomotive, which it is safe to do that. so once we do that, we'll have more information about the speed and braking. there's another event recorder in the cab car, and we'll get that as soon as we can access that. >> reporter: she did say as far as that event recorder in the cab car is concerned, when she spoke to us, she said it was too dangerous to get to that cab car. right now, part of the structure of the station is still sitting on top of that cab car. she said there's been water
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leaking all day in that area, too. so the structural integrity of the above portion of the train is not structurally sound, so they've not been able to pull that event recorder from the cab car. these are outward facing cameras that can measure speed and throttle position, and the like. they'll get the one from the locomotive, because it's kind of out of the danger zone as far as where the canopy is sitting. they should be able to get to that soon. also tonight, they have not yet, the ntsb at least, has not interviewed the engineer. the ntsb has not interviewed him, but they want to talk to him as soon as possible, wolf. >> brian, thank you very much. brian todd reporting. let's get more on the breakig news. cnn's rene marsh is back with us. and peter goles, cnn analyst.
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and larry manning joins us. peter, what are the investigators on the scene looking for first and foremost? >> well, they're going to try and get the physical evidence. they want the recorders, and they want to check the braking action of the train. they want to check the rail and eliminate the easy issues. probably not rail. they're going to check the braking, see if that's working. they want to get the recorders and then zero in, in the coming two or three days on what's critical. >> how long will it take for them to get that recorder, which has presumably a lot of valuable information in it? >> we heard the ntsb say there is the -- the locomotive is accessible to them, so they will be able to pull out that recorder in the back of the train. it's going to be critical, because the way the ntsb works is essentially they need all the puzzle pieces, they need to lay
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it out on the table and piece it all together. so what they will know for a fact once they get that recorder is how fast was this train going? did the engineer at any point step on the brakes? did he touch any of the controls? and if so, what control and when did he do it? did he do it too late? all of those answers will be answered, questions will be answered when they have that recorder. >> larry, what type of failures, you've studied this over many years, what type of failures could have caused this train to not stop, to go full speed ahead into this terminal. >> well, it appears there was incapacitation of the employee, the engineer. we've learned over many accidents, had there been two persons in the locomotive, these accidents would have been prevented. recently in philadelphia, chatsworth a few years ago.
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had there been two engineers, those multimillion dollar accidents could not have occurred. >> do you agree with that? >> there's some evidence that says yes, some evidence that says know. the fra has not moved on that in years. this accident be bring it to the fore again. but it's too soon to say whether the engineer was incapacitated. looks like it, perhaps. we don't know. >> it could be a mechanical failure, human failure. it could be maybe a combination of both, too. >> there's never one factor that leads to it. it could be that perhaps if he's distracted, that perhaps he reacted in the wrong way. we just don't know. i do agree with peter. >> that so-called positive train control system, which is an automatic braking system, could it have potentially saved lives?
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>> depends on how it was set up in this situation. entering the rail system, the yard, it could have slowed the train down. but once it's in the yard, ptc doesn't really apply, because the speed limit is 10 miles per hour or less. there's lots of different engines running on the tracks, many of them are not set up for ptc. but leading up into the yard, it might have been able to play a role. >> larry, how safe or unsafe is the rail system, the transportation system in the united states right now? >> well, beginning in 1970 when i was involved in rail safety regulation, there were multiple, multiple deaths, injuries, derailments. trains were silting on the tracks. and todd's climate, it has improved significant hi. but as to positive train
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control, neither the federal railroad administration for congress has mandated positive train control in the terminals nor in the yards. and forever, the fit railroad legislation will cover only 25% of the rail system. >> guys, stay with us. stand by, getting some other breaking news coming into "the situation room" right now. this time in the investigation into those new york and new jersey terror bombings. i want to go straight to our correspondent evan perez. you're getting new information from your source. what are you learning? >> reporter: investigators have found surveillance video from penn station that they believe showss the sopt arriving.
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he's seen carrying a backpack and two duff bags. investigators believe that he was carrying the pipe bombs later found in elizabeth, new jersey, in that backpack, and they believe that the duffel bags contained the pressure bomb. you remember one of the measure bombs exploded on 23rd street, about 2 1/2 hours after this. the other bomb was found unexploded. a car entered manhattan around 6:30 p.m. that night. so rahami was not in that car when it entered manhattan. investigators are working to see if there is any connection to the bombing plot. so the question is, was rahami in the car?
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investigators are trying to figure that out. >> evan perez, good reporting, thank you very much. more breaking news coming into "the situation room," we're continuing to follow the deadly train accident in new jersey that injured more than 100 people. and breaking political news, as well. is the trump campaign calling in chris christie to help donald trump prepare for the next presidential debate. i'll tell you what the new jersey governor told me.
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we're continuing to monitor the breaking news as commuters try to get home after the deadly train crash in new jersey. we're standing by with updates. there's also breaking news in the presidential race. sources now telling cnn some of donald trump's advisers are considering putting chris christie in charge of debate preparations following what was widely seen as trump's loss to hillary clinton in their first face-off. the new jersey governor told me he's not been asked to take that role but he's willing to help donald trump and the campaign in any way he can. our national correspondent jason carroll is join us with more. the campaign seems torn over debate preparation. >> reporter: very much so. donald trump, for his part saying at the rally here today, that he feels as though the debate was rigged. as for the chris christie interview, he said that he feels as though donald trump did well.
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he says he'll do even better during the next go around. trump simply saying that he feels as though he's upset over some of the things that those in his campaign are saying about his performance. publicly, donald trump continues to push the idea he won monday night's debate against hillary clinton. >> every single online poll said we won, which is great. >> reporter: but privately, trump is angry his aides and advisers are telling reporters he struggled in the first debate. in a conference call with surrogates wednesday, aides making clear the gop nominee is upset by reports that advisers encouraged him to change his approach before his next face-off with clinton. his seem also stressed to supporters they should energetically depend his debate performance. a spokesman calls the description of the call completely false. yet cnn has learned some campaign advisers are weighing an overhaul how to prepare trump
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for the second debate. one option, giving chris christie a leading role in readying trump. >> everybody in the world who watches it thinks they can do better. i invite any of them to see how they do. >> reporter: this as trump seeks to rebound from the debate. trump is sharpening his attacks on hillary clinton. >> the clintons are the sorted past, we will be the very bright and clean future. >> reporter: but trump is still unable to shake comments he made about former miss universe's weight. >> she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. >> reporter: "the new yorker" taking a satirical jab at the candidate with its latest cover showing a plump trump and labeling him "miss congeniality." >> i saved her job, because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight, and sit a beauty contest. >> reporter: trump's campaign
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manager says she reprimanded trump for his comments. >> he gave that particular woman a second chance. >> reporter: as for the second debate, conway says she does not think trump should bring up bill clinton's infidelities. >> i'm not advising him to go there. it's fair game to think about how hillary clinton treated those women after the fact. >> reporter: gop leaders also encouraging trump to stick to the issues. >> we need to stay on the issues that are important to the american people. you know, that's ancient history. >> but behind the scenes, the trump campaign is instructing surrogates to use bill clinton's marital infidelity to defuse the candidate's comments about machado. polls show trump is still struggling with women voters in his battle against clinton. the clinton campaign seizing on a report in "the l.a. times" that trump wanted to fire female employees at a southern
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california golf course who were not pretty enough. and an attorney for the trump organization weighed in about that lawsuit out of southern california, saying the allegations in the lawsuit are meritless. we do not engage in discrimination of any kind. the statements made by a group of former disgruntled employees are far from an accurate portrayal what it is like to work at trump national golf club. wolf? >> jason carroll, thank you very much for that report. let's bring in dana bash. this reporting that some of his advisers want chris christie to take charge of debate preparation, i asked chris christie about it last hour. he said nothing's been asked of me, but he said he'll do whatever he can to help donald trump. what are you hearing? >> i was told and gloria borger was reporting as well today that this is part of the discussion about an overhaul in general. and to me, it just sort of -- you look at the big picture,
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what has been going on since monday, is people who are close to donald trump want donald trump to win and to do better, but can't get through to him, are using sort of the media to try to get their message across to him and to try to change things up in the campaign. and i think that probably frankly this is one of those cases. chris christie is somebody who is very okay with telling trump that other people won't say. he's very blunt with trump. it's the benefit of the two of them knowing each other for a long time. and chris christie has debated donald trump in the primaries. he has recent experience and he did pretty well. he basically pummelled marco rubio in the last debate that rubio -- one of the last debates that rubio had and he never really recovered. so the goal at this point is, inside trump world to try
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however they can to get trump's attention. but unfortunately, some of it has backfired, because now he's angry that his people are saying he didn't do well, when all he's trying to do is convince the world that he did do well. >> donald trump can't take advice or hear bad news from his closest aides without getting upset, how does he function effectively, for example, as president of the united states? >> i don't think he does, wolf. if this is another overhaul, there's only a few weeks left. this would be overhaul three or four. there's not enough time left i don't think to really do that effectively. to your question, wolf, trump has campaigned now on this idea that he's high level, he'll bring in the right advisers, listen to them and make the right decisions. but if the reports on this is right, there's no way he's following that template. he's trying to be the expert himself. it's not effective. >> you saw in this report,
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rebecca, in "the los angeles times," they discovered court documents which former trump organization employees said, in sworn depositions, declarations, that trump pressured managers to fire female employees who are not "pretty enough" as well as employees who were overweight. what's going to be the reaction to that? >> there was some reporting by "the los angeles times" and really because these were sworn states, sort of indisputable. it coming at a really inopportune time for donald trump, needless to say. as clinton and her campaign are trying to drive this point home that he's been not only unfair to women, but quite terrible in the past to many women in his life, making really harsh statements about them, their appearances. and this just feeds into that narrative further. and this suspect purely academic, because during the debate, an nbc news poll found after watching 27% of likely
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women voters said that the debate made them think worse of trump. while a third said it improved their estimation of clinton. that matters on election day. >> when we learned about what he said about miss universe who gained a few pounds, as well, the allegations that he called her miss piggy. stand by, we're following breaking news. we'll have the latest on a deadly train cash. in the nation's largest independent study by rootmetrics, again, verizon is the number one network. hi, i'm jamie foxx for sprint. and i'm jamie foxx for t-mobile. (both) and we're just as good. really? only verizon was ranked number one nationally in data, reliability, text and call and speed. yeah. and you're gonna fist pump to that? get out of my sight. (announcer vo) unlimited isn't a good deal if it's on a cutrate network. switch now and get our best deal. 20 gigs and four lines for only 160. all on america's best network. (we got a new family member and she got a nutritious meal of purina cat chow complete
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we're continuing to monitor the breaking news. investigators are hoping to recovery the first of two data recorderers from today's deadly train crash in new jersey.
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injuring 114 people, killed one person on the platform of the hoboken train journal. >> we're also following important developments of the race, including for gary johnson, the libertarian candidate. gary johnson has been having some problems with some very basic world affairs questions. what is the latest. >> it is true. there are supporters who are for now willing to over look if gaps. a new poll shows the state of colorado essentially for hillary clinton to win with gary johnson in the race trump leads clinton 42-41% with johnson getting 14% support so he is now becoming a potential game changer. >> when libertarian nominee gary johnson was asked to name any foreign leader he admired, he drew a blank. >> who is your favorite foreign leader? >> who is my favorite. >> anywhere in the country. one foreign leader you respect
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and look up to. anybody. >> i guess i'm having an aleppo moment in the former president of mexico. >> but i'm giving you to whole world. >> name anybody. >> -- >> who a s your favorite foreign leader. get him off the hook. >> smonding to the moment in a facebook post writing this is gotch-ism in its finest and later tweeted out a new spin saying it is almost 24 hours and i still can't come up with a foreign leader i look up to. this latest stumble comes a month after this. johnson's original aleppo moment. >> what would you do about aleppo if you were elected. >> about aleppo? and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> the no. >> the slip say somebody saying he disqualified himself from becoming president. >> fair enough. >> so when you get --
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[inaudible]. [ laughter ] >> and even on domestic policy johnson has gotten his facts confused. in response to the new york and new jersey bombings and the stabbings in a mall in minnesota. >> first of all just grateful that nobody got hurt. >> 29 people were injured in the bombings. nine in the stabbings. johnson later tweeted he misspoke. and then there was this bizarre moment in an interview with msnbc. >> this year the paper says they couldn't bring themselves to endorse donald trump. urging voters to instead cast a conscience vote for gary johnson. meanwhile johnson is polling at 7 78 -- 8% in cnn's poll of polls.
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and especially doing well with millennials, a key voting bloc the clinton campaign desperately needs. >> in you vote for someone other than hillary or if you don't vote at you will, then you are helping to elect hillary's opponent. and the stakes are far too high to take that chance. >> the polls show johnson achieving the threshold of support needed to become eligible for the presidential debates and some wond we are these gaps how he would perform in front of an audience of potentially 80 million viewers. buzz his campaign continues to fight for a place on the stage. they tell me tomorrow they plan to protest the commission of presidential debates at the d.c. offense. >> thank you very much. let's get back to the panel. a lot of people think this is a disqualifying gaffe for johnson. what do you think? >> i -- yes. if it were one. maybe it was excusable that it was a moment but they went on and on. and what is so frustrating and frankly terrifying to a lot of people inside clinton world is
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that as suzanne was saying, he is taking considerable number of votes, at least in the polls and even anecdotally i was in north carolina doing a story on millennial voters from that important group. because millennial voters in particular, they don't like donald trump, many of them. and they don't love hillary clinton. and they are looking for another place to go. and gary johnson and to a lesser extent jill stein is that place. so if you weren't in the race the clinton campaign firmly believes they would be further ahead and there is data to prove it. >> rebecca, what is your reaction to all this is this. >> i agree with her completely. this is a major concern for hillary clinton's camp right now and that is why you have seen michelle obama out there at university camps telling millennial voters, young voters that if you do not vote, and if you vote for gary johnson you are essentially helping to elect donald trump.
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there isn't a lot of evidence to me they understand the sort of potential consequences of a protest vote. there was a great piece in the "new york times" where the reporter asked one such voter who's planning to vote for gary johnson and he was afraid of a ralph nader effect which potentially cost al gore in 2000 and this particular voter said ralph who? >> nader got 90,000 votes in florida back in 2000. gore lost the state by a little more than 500 votes and a lot of people think the green party voters for nader are what cost all gore the presidency. >> that was the difference in that race. and then history was vastly different as result of the bush/gore election. this would not be the year to be a sploiler. >> should hillary clinton go after gaerj directly.
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>>. >> all right. wooil leave it on that important note. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next the breaking news. a pac train crashing at high speeds slamming into a busy train station at rush hour. how could this happy? and donald trump's lies and conspiracy theories. we check the record on just one rally tonight. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight the breaking news. rush hour horror. a path train running at a high rate of speed goes over barriers the l

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