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york. thank you for being with us this sunday night. we begin with our first look at donald trump's tax records. it is not because the candidate is releasing them. the "new york times" today revealing that someone anonymously mailed portions of trump's tax records to the paper and they show trump may have avoided paying federal income taxes for nearly two decades. how? in 1995, the businessman reported that he lost nearly $1 billion that allowed him to take advantage of major tax breaks. just last week during the first presidential debate, hillary clinton accused trump of doing exactly this. watch. >> maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes, because the only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. so -- >> that makes me smart. >> -- if he's paid -- >> while cnn cannot
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independently verify the authenticity of the documents mailed to the "times," the trump campaign is not denying they're legitimate. trump backers say the document show he is a, quote, genius, for being able to utilize the system that exists. let's bring in a woman who knows the system inside and out. cnn money's senior writer, jean. this is the tax code. we're sitting with the tax code largely written back in the early 1980s. the trump camp is saying, and surrogates, he is a genius for doing this. your top line in your story is losses can be the gift that keeps on giving. >> right. >> how is it possible that someone could lose so much money and then potentially not pay federal income taxes for two decades? >> well, in the case of trump in the mid-1990s, what i was told by a tax layer who has clients similar to him, he said $916 million isn't unusually high
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because real estate values had fallen a lot before. you had paper value losses you can write-off. it's super complicated, the way you can write things off in a given year. doesn't mean it is coming out of your pocket directly, and you're a popper on the side of the street. >> it doesn't square with average americans who say, but i lost a ton of money one year -- >> no one helped me. >> -- and i didn't get to write anything off. >> the tax code definitely disproportionately favors high net worth business people and especially in real estate. there are a bunch of tax breaks for them to take legally. we can say they may be bad social policy, but they exist. i should also say that three pages that we got from the "new york times" are -- you don't know where the losses came from. you don't know what he did to get them. so i don't want to speculate on that, and i don't want to speculate that he is a genius or a dope. there is nothing indicating that. >> the trump camp is saying in a lengthy statement, i'll read
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part of it, the only news here is more than 20-year-old alleged tax document was illegally on ta -- obtained, showing the media and "times" is a strength of the clinton campaign. trump's skills are what we need to build the country up. as you poured through what we have, this ch isnwhich isn't a stands out most? >> the loss seems large but i am not a tax expert. it is the sort of thing that he could use for many years to come. i don't know if it is over 20 years, the way the "times" says because we don't know what his taxes were going forward. >> he came out today. let's pull it up. he tweeted this. i know our tax laws better than anyone else who has ever run for president. i'm the only one who can fix them. he has proposed an expensive tax reform plan. what do economists say about that helping the average folks? >> well, he would provide a tax cut for everyone. it would be, again,
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disproportionately larger for high income people. it's not at all clear how much, if at all. he would curtail the tax breaks he's been enjoying as an active real estate investor. >> tax break for everyone, more breaks for the rich. >> yeah, by a long shot. >> by a lot. >> yeah. >> thank you. cnnmoney.com. read it. it helps everyone get their head around this. less than 48 hours into october, could this be the october surprise, or will this story be done in a day or two? where will the news cycle go? back with me from pennsylvania, cnn political commentator and trump supporter, jeffrey lord, and the executive director of the new york state democratic party and a clinton supporter. thank you for being here. jeffr jeffrey, this is how some americans woke up, opened up the "new york times" and this is how they read the headline. billionaire businessman loses $1 billion in a year, live $1 billion life and complain the
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bridges and roads are falling away. 2012 tweet, half of americans don't pay income tax despite kr crippling government debt. how do you square the two? >> the resentment out here felt toward the irs is incredible. i mean, let's remember the irs commissioner is under threat of impeachment as we speak. >> jeffrey, how is that answering my question? >> you're saying how is it squaring it. the american people are saying it doesn't square because the system is corrupt. >> no, i'm actually -- maybe i could have phrased it better. let me just re-ask it. donald trump tweeted three years ago, you know, our country is crumbling because half of americans don't pay taxes. then this report shows tax returns from '95 that his campaign is not disputing are legitimate, that he lost almost $1 billion, which would have allowed him to not pay any federal income taxes for almost two decades. >> poppy, because that is the
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system. he has -- >> why did he complain about people not paying taxes? >> because he's saying the system should be changed. but the system is -- >> no, no, no, jeffrey. he is complaining about not -- he's complains about people poor -- poorer than him not paying taxes. >> they don't pay taxes because of the tax code and how it is set up. he obeys the system and gets the best breaks. >> listen, there is a clear thing here, that he avoided talking about how much he did or didn't pay in taxes. it is clear from the report he didn't pay anything. >> that's actually not true. i'm going to correct you because it's also not true. it's not clear he didn't pay anything for 18 years. the tax code would have allowed him not to pay anything, but because we don't have any of the
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documents, we don't know. >> to be fair, it is possible he could not have paid anything for 18 years. i think that also speaks to the major point. if he were to release his taxes, we would have more information about what he did and did not pay. but what is also clear is that his attempt to represent the average american, quote, unquote, working class american, i think, should be called into question here because no one, very few people, if many, in this country, have the ability to lose as much money as he had and had the potential to not pay the amount of taxes he theoretically could not have paid. >> let's listen to what one of his top surrogates, rudy giuliani, had to say about what this makes trump. play it. >> the reality is, he's a genius. what he did was he took advantage of something that could save his enterprise, and he did something we admire in america. he came back.
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>> is that something we admire in america, jeffrey, paying as little tax, if that is what he indeed did, pay as little possible tax as you can? i mean, is that something that would work if all americans did it and you have, as trump put it, crumbling infrastructure. >> they're paying school taxes, property taxes, and in states like new york, the taxes collectively are huge. huge, as donald trump might say. so, yes, i mean, this is a real raw nerve for a lot of americans out here. i mean, if hillary clinton -- you touched on this, poppy, earlier, she's going around saying she's got all the experience. she's got this great record. she was a sitting united states senator and is saying there is a problem with the tax code because he does this.
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>> it is an important point. i want the viewers to hear from the voters. it's me and the pundits yakking. let's listen to beth, a trump supporter i met in pennsylvania, who talked about trump's taxes. this is before the "new york times" report this morning. let's play it. >> trump didn't write the tax code. politicians wrote the tax code. so, you know, you'd like to think that the man who made that much money paid some taxes, but if he gets away with not paying taxes, i don't know that i hold it against him. it's the tax code. >> donald trump was never a senator. he never had power to reshape the tax code. hillary clinton was and did. >> but here's the thing about donald trump -- >> no, no, no, no, no. >> what? >> i'm asking about your candidate. does she bear some responsibility for the current system? >> she's talked about it. she talked about it for years. >> i'm talking about action as a senator. >> and she's talked about it
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then and now. talked about getting individuals to pay their fair share. that is the point -- >> but she never -- did she make comprehensive tax reform proposals? did she push hard on this? >> i think she did and i think she still is talking about individuals paying their fair share. i think that speaks to exactly what that voter was saying, which is that, look, donald trump very early in this race was talking about the system being rigged. in a way, he helped rig the system. he said, look, if i don't have to pay my fair share, i'm not going to. >> how is that -- how did he -- i get what you're saying, that he took advantage of the system, but how did he help rig the system? >> because i think instead of in his public life -- and he had a substantial public life -- instead of saying -- because if you look at what he's done in new york, there are ways in which he sort of supported new york, you know, institutions or parks and things like that. he's railed against government. what he has said, instead of saying, i want individuals to
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pay their fair share, he has taken advantage of a tax code. he's taken advantage of whatever he could to help himself financially instead of saying everybody should pay their fair share. >> one thing that's not getting talked about a lot in this, because it's did he pay the taxes or not, is the fact that this is a man who is running to lead the free world on his business record. he says i can make america great again. why? because i am a great businessman. now we know from these returns he lost almost $1 billion in a single year. does that bring a lot of questions up about -- i mean, it brings questions up about his business acumen. >> poppy, he had some bad times there. there's no question. he has talked about this. he's written about this at length. >> almost $1 billion. >> yeah, right. in his books, we talks about walking down park avenue and seeing a homeless guy and saying to his wife, that guy has more money than i do. he's been open about this. this is the art of the comeback.
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one other point i'd like to make, hillary clinton says that she wants to raise taxes on the rich. poppy, you can raise your own taxes. you can write -- as long as you pay whatever the irs charges you, after all your lawyering is done, you can decide you want to pay double. hillary clinton has never volunteered to pay more. >> will donald trump volunteer to pay his share? that's an important question. will he pay his fair share? >> i have to leave it there. thank you. >> thanks. >> great to see you. >> thank you. don't miss the only time that these two men will face off on the debate stage. mike pence and tim kaine. the vice presidential debate, tuesday night. our coverage starts at 4:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. more details on donald trump's taxes. what a reporter told brian shelter about how they got these documents, and her response if they have more that they'll publish about trump's taxes. also, my one-on-one with melinda gates.
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returns partially unveiled by the "new york times." the paper received documents from his filings that year anonymously. it says they came in a plain envelope, postmarked new york, new york, with trump tower as the return address. cnn cannot independently verify the authenticity. brian shelter sat down with the reporter who received the documents and broke the story and asked what the paper did to determine they were real.
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>> we got a group of reporters together. first of all, we sort of had two tracks. one was to verify them. two, let's just see what they are and try to dissect it. obviously, there was large concern they weren't real. we had no sort of solid where did they come from. >> you thought someone might be trying to trick you, dupe you? >> could have been very much so. that's why we wanted to verify it and do good, old fashioned reporting. >> i've been asking -- eventually, you reached out to his former person -- former accountant, basically, right? >> tax returns are hard to verify. there's only a few people who could verify them. the signatures were marla maples, donald trump and his former accountant. my colleague, one of the reporters that i worked with on the story, went down to see his accountant and had a long discussion about the taxes. he said they're legitimate. >> when you see a story like this on the front of the "times," weeks of work went into checking this out. fox had doubts about your sourcing but they also said you're trying to take down
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donald trump. is that what you're doing? >> i think his taxes -- he's running for president and whether or not he paid taxes or not, it is an incredibly important issue. there is pressure on him to release his tax returns. i think it's called reporting. i mean, it's as simple as that. >> fox doesn't understand that, you think? >> i think that -- i guess they have an opinion. i mean, we think we're doing our jobs. part of that is to look for things like donald trump's taxes and find indications of whether he's paid taxes or not. i mean, this is an important issue, and i think that that's sort of what we do. >> there was a legal threat from the trump organization before you published the story. i've been asking the trump campaign this morning if they're going to follow through. they haven't replied. are you expecting legal action? >> i don't know. i don't think it is a crime to check your mailbox. that's what we did and did reporting. we definitely -- they told us they may sue. we are comfortable with the story and went ahead with it. >> are you sitting on more documents? >> we're doing a lot of reporting around this.
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we're going to keep going. >> that is a yes, you have more documents besides the three? >> maybe a no comment. >> no comment. and who do you think sent the documents? the return address was trump tower. doesn't mean they definitely came from trump tower, does it? >> no, it doesn't, obviously. they could have come from any number of sources. >> do you know who? >> again, i'm going to no comment that one. >> you can catch brian every sunday on his show "reliable sources." 11:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn. coming up, the presidential debate gave "snl" plenty of material. >> my microphone is broken. she broke it with obama. she and obama stole my microphone. >> the funniest moments from the premiere next. you're live in the "cnn newsroom." hey! and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. upgraded to our most d3 ever.
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probably no one in america is happier to see such a colorful election season than the writers and cast of "saturday night live." the season opener last night got huge numbers. their biggest premiere ratings in eight years. of course, the incredible impressions of hillary clinton and donald trump helped big time. >> senator clinton is the prune juice of this election. she might not seem that appetizing, but if you don't take her now, you're going to be
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clogged with crap for a very long time. >> he hasn't released his tax returns which means he's either not that rich. >> wrong. >> not that charitable. >> wrong. >> or he's never paid taxes in his life. >> warmer. >> okay, now you sure you're okay with hillary being president instead of you? >> i mean, i can't wait. believe you and me, i freaking love the white house. i mean, i could hang out there, you know, no presidential stuff to do. red phone rings and i say, hey, you take that one, honey. i'll be downstairs watching the "police academy." >> picking up somebody sniffing here. i think it's her sniffs. she's been sniffing all night. testing. testing. jina, jina, huge jina. >> secretary clinton, what do you think about that? >> i think i'm going to be president. >> if you didn't recognize him,
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that was alec baldwin in the blonde wig. he signed on to "snl" at least through election day. ahead, the first look at donald trump's taxes. a "new york times" report showing trump may have avoided paying federal decades nearly two decades. how will his supporters react to revelations about the billionaire businessman's taxes? you're live in the "cnn newsroom." 3, 2, 1 [whispered 'rocket'] with another new flavor you never saw coming... grilled, glazed korean bbq shrimp. and try as much as you want of flavors like
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donald trump's tax returns, we now have them, not all of them. a little bit of them. 1995. that's what the "new york times" got. they say they were mailed to the paper. these were documents that showed up about a month ago, and the paper wrote a long piece on them. the return address claimed those documents have been sent from trump tower. no way to prove or disprove that. the "new york times" reports that trump may not have paid any federal income tax for up to 18 years. it also shows that he claimed a
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loss on his '95 tax returns of $916 million. almost $1 billion loss. the newspaper is not alleging that trump did anything illegal. c fr cnn has not independently verified the authenticity of the documents. let's talk about the big picture. what does this mean 37 days out from election day? we have david gergen, former adviser to presidents nixon, ford, clinton and reagan. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> when you say the article last night, you said you almost dropped your martini. >> you're right. i started to have two more after that. what an incredible story. what an incredible story. now, in donald trump's defense, poppy, it needs to be emphasized up front there is no evidence he did anything illegal. in fact -- >> right. >> -- tax avoidance, as you well
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know, is widespread. people often do that. what's the difference between what he did and, say, some of the inversions going on now when american companies move their headquarters overseas to avoid taxes? this is widespread and the law, for better or worse, i think worse, allows for some of this. having said that, this is not just a businessman we're examining for his business records. this is a man we're assessing for his business success to see if it would make him a good president of the united states. i think it's going to be very tough for people to think, first of all, wait a minute, he lost $1 billion in a single year? that's supposed to be a record of great success as a businessman? the truth is, donald trump's early years as a businessman were nowhere near successful. they have been successful in recent years. there's another aspect about this. he has been saying all through the campaign how the system is rigged against him. you know, the phrase comes up regularly. is this a man who can really
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claim that the system is rigged against him, when he can take $1 billion worth of losses and then not pay taxes on that next $1 billion of income, for the next 15 years? the system has been heavily rigged for trump and his friends. it's not so long ago, poppy, the same "new york times" reported that he had taken -- he got massive tax breaks from the city and state of new york for his businesses. $800 million. i talked to someone who was a figure in business. he said, it's unheard of. no one gets the breaks. if you look at it, it is problematic for a candidate. >> his supporters and surrogates are saying, he is the one who is going to fix the rigged system. he's going to have to tax code rewritten. his tax proposals he put out, independent economists look at them and say across the board, everyone gets a tax cut but the rich gets a bigger tax cut.
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it doesn't change what he got. >> exactly right. you know, the analysis so far, he had a huge set of tax cuts proposed earlier, and they were going to bust the budget so badly and create deficits that his advisers persuaded him to reduce the size. even with the reduced size, the breaks go mostly to people like donald trump and other elites like that. so it mocks the idea that he's trying to do something for the lower middle class. let's remember these losses with these casinos, the public company he formed. so he has these massive losses in the mid-90s. his share moholders see the pri go from $34 to 17 cents. his contractors, when he went into bankruptcy, they got pennies on the dollar of what they were owed under their contracts. a lot of the employees lost their jobs.
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who was a winner in all this? donald trump under the tax laws walks away as a winner. all these other people got hurt. i mean, he may say that's smart business, but when you're running for president of the united states, it hardly seems like an advertisement for how fair and how understanding, how i'm going to fight for the working class. >> one trump supporter this week i met in pennsylvania, swing state, said to me, it's not his fault. he didn't write the tax code. he was taking advantage of the existing tax codes written by the existing politicians. i just wonder how you you think this really plays long term in this election that is so neck and neck. because there have been so many moments people say, oh, my gosh, i can't believe this. look at the family, when he attacked a gold star mother. still, it's neck to neck. >> it's a very, very good question. i do not think this will cost him the election. i think there are a lot of other things that play already. i think he will survive this. but i will tell you, for people who are on the fence or thinking
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about how suitable is he for the job, do i want to look up to him, i think this is a steeper hill. i think it's he's going to get to the debates and will have to defend it. we'll have a debate tuesday with the vice presidential candidates. another thing that has to be said in this context, and we still don't know what is coming out. we have threats from wikileaks, with documents that will be damaging to hillary. we have to wait and see. we have to be patient and not pre-judge. we're in a fluid contest. trump could still win this. but she is in a strengthened position over the last two weeks. her position has gotten stronger for a variety of reasons, including the tweets and everything else. i think her chances of winning are going up, and she's pulling away in some states. >> you're right though, there are a lot of things that could happen. that could completely flip the new cycle. >> right. >> thank you. >> absolutely. we have to be patient. that's why this is one of the strangest, weirdest, hope we never see it again elections. >> gives us a lot to talk about though. david, thank you.
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melinda gates is known around the world for the work she and her husband have done to eradicate diseases like malaria and polio. now, she is dedicating the rest of her work and her life to helping advance women and girls. i sat down with her in new york and asked her why we haven't seen more advancement for women, especially in tech and science, not to mention as world leaders. of course, i had to get her take on this wild election. >> you haven't endorsed any candidate for this election. something tells me you're not going to, am i right? >> we're not going to, either one of us. >> so what do you make of this election season, and more importantly, what do you hope this country gets out of whoever the next president is? >> i hope that for this country, we continue to realize our common humanity that we have. that, you know, we are seen as a
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country that is -- welcomes people. we're seen as a country who cares about other people around the world. we are what so many people aspire to be. when i go to africa, people say, i wish i could live in the united states. we are the land of opportunity for most people. i want to make sure that we embrace all people around the world. one of the things that makes me optimistic, despite some of the rhetoric that's going on during this election, is when i talk to young people in this country, they are very open. they are much more global in their thinking. much more open in their thinking. part of that is social media and what they can see in the images from around the world. i hope we embrace our common humanity after the election. >> you think of the united states as advanced, and we are in so many ways, but a tiny fraction of women are fortunate 500 ceos. we're yet to have a female president, right? south korea, germany and uk led us on female workers.
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women make less for the exact same job as men. and more women and girls live in bo poverty in the country. is that something we're not talking enough about in the country? be we have to talk about it. we have to show what's going on in your country. part of the reason i've started to speak on these issues is because i'd be in low-income countries and thinking, women aren't that far. if they had this. then i'd be flying home and thinking, how far have we really come? we've made huge strides but we've kind of hit a stopping point in some ways. we need to have more women role models. i mean, until young girls can look up and see, you know, 36 different ftypes of ceos in fortune 500 companies, women in government and philanthropy and women as scientists, until they see the role modeling, we won't get parodying in all the industries. there's no reason not to.
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we know more diverse teams put out a better product. >> you say we were making all this progress and it sounds like it's plateaus. is there a point you think it happened and why? >> i don't think there is one point where it happened on any one of those things. i think we just got to a certain point and then it kind of stopped. you get to almost 20% of women in congress, and some years it falls back and kind of goes back up. ceos, we got up to a certain point and it falls back. so you know, you can go industry by industry and say why did it happen? but i know we're not far enough. one of the industries that i'm passionate about making sure we change is the time i was in -- i'm a computer science major. when i got my degree, 38% of computer science degrees were given to women. >> it got worse. >> now we've gone down to 17%. >> why? >> well, nobody exactly knows, but we think partly the games. when i was a kid, the games were more neutral, like pong or
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pacman. >> you mean the video games? >> they became male oriented and women dropped out of the industry in droves. >> you graduated with a degree in computer science and economics from duke. you say it was the last computer science class for most of my female classmates who quickly decided they'd rather major in something else. you literally saw them falling out of the class. >> after freshman year. >> you've called guys in hoodies, quote, a toxic stereotype that has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. >> well, i think i got a little misquoted on that. >> set the record straight. >> i programmed with a lot of guys in hoodies and they were great. i enjoyed programming with them. i don't think you want that being the only set that's programming. particularly when you think about where we're going with health applications. you think about where we're going with artificial intelligence. if artificial intelligence, which i think is where we're going, if that's going to be taking care of our older generation, do you want just
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25-year-old somethings making that -- doing that programming? i think you want generative thinking in there. i think you want to have a diverse set of talent. you want more women. i think you want more latinos in there, more african-americans in there. we all should be contributing to that and where the future is going. if we -- fixing it now is going to be far easier than trying to fix it later. >> girls education. the numbers are appalling. even in middle school and high school for the girls. then it translates higher up to fewer women get patents, for example. what needs to change ? >> for the stem fields, one thing we know that good teaching looks like for girls and boys, but is really for girls, keeping their self-esteem up. so girls go through a time in middle school where they think differently about themselves. so in science and math, they often lose their self-esteem. they lean back. we have to keep their self-esteem up and know even when the boys are shouting the
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answer and the girls are raising their hand, the teacher calls on everyone equally. >> seems like it might make sense to mandate children in public schools learn how to code. >> i don't know -- >> will we get there? >> i don't know whether it's mandate or fun. >> or encourage or have it. >> absolutely. new york city schools is doing that. kids learning to code, if they learn to do it early, i think you'll get far more of them hooked on it. i was a young daughter who is coding at 14. she sees it as fun. she started when she was 12. i don't know what she'll do with it, whether she's go on in the field or use it in some other field. girls are starting to learn that this is fun. also, when they see role models, they say, it's not just women who look geeky, but there is a wok who i respect and looks fantastic and is somebody i'd like to be. >> my thanks to melinda gates for that. coming up, it has been called the world's fastest growing sport. we go into the world of women battling women in mixed martial
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impact in my life. you've heard it said before, you fight like a girl. it's an insult hurled at boys of all ages. maybe the question should be in the universe of mixed martial arts, what's it like to kick, punch and wrestle like a girl in pretty tough.
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lisa explored the world of mma to find out for the latest episode of cnn's original series "this is life." >> how has mma changed you as a woman? >> people, i think, get the image that you're aggressive to r you want to hurt somebody. it's like, my everyday life, i never think of hurting another human being. i don't like seeing people in pain. so it's not about that. it's about pushing yourself, as far as you can go. >> i just want to understand what you like about this. i'm just going to try to get you on the ground. >> i said i don't like fighting but i felt compelled to try it for myself. >> drop your left hand, lisa. put it on your right hip. >> left hand on my right hip. >> what if i get you on the ground? >> there you go. >> oh! >> reversal. you got her. >> got to tap. you have to tap. >> no. >> okay.
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that was good. >> lisa's got some skills. >> i have to admit, it's kind of a rush. >> it's fun though. it's intense. you're thinking, what can i do? don't accept defeat. >> lisaling join ling joins me. >> got a little glimpse into how competitive i am. >> i certainly did. i wouldn't want to take you on. hey, i mean, you clearly as we saw, you tried it yourself. how did that help you understand the mindset, why more and more women are getting into what is the fastest growing sport right now? >> i am someone who is unabashed about the fact i'm not a fan of violence. i abhor it. but there is something animalistic that comes over you when you step into a cage like that. and let's keep in mind the fact
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that the people who actually do get into the cage are incredibly skilled. it requires a tremendous amount of discipline. mma is more than two martial arts. it is pretty shocking, the number of women who are wanting to now take part in the sport. we all know how popular mma and the ufc is in this country and around the world. when you really think about it, this is the only sport that i can think of where men actually rush to bars to watch women participate in. they don't go to watch women's soccer or women's volleyball. for some reason, this sport, women's mma, has men in droves going to watch the sport. in fact, so many women actually are headline -- they actually headline ufc matches. >> wow. >> like ronda rousey, for example. >> it's not just grown women
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doing this. children are taking it up. critics call it kids cage fighting. i wonder what you found out about that, sort of how young girls are getting into this, what their parents are saying, how they convince their parents to let them do this. >> so youth mma, as you said, is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. right now in this country, it's only legal in california. i was surprised by how popular it's become. in fact, lots of young girls are really anxious to take part in it. look, it was hard to watch, but when you look at the statistics, in actuality, there are many injuries attributed to careerleading, football and basketball combined than there are to youth mma. before one competes, you have to go through a rigorous physical examinati examination.
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there are serious rules. you cannot strike blows to the head or anywhere above the collarbone. and so while it looks very dangerous, it actually doesn't seem to be as risk-inspiring as sports like cheerleading. >> wow. it's fascinating. again, the premiere is tonight. by the way, just a final question, you just had your second daughter. >> yes. >> would you let her enroll? would you let her do it? >> you know, if they really wanted to do it, i would make sure that they became really, really good at it. again, it requires tremendous amount of skill, and i would probably be less inclined to oppose mma than cheerleading. i mean, cheerleading is really risky. >> great point. >> who knew? >> we'll see it tonight. thanks, lisa. lisa ling, tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be right back. guess what guys, i switched to sprint.
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finally tonight's number. 67. that is how many seasons legendary dodgers broadcaster vin scully sat behind a mic before calling his last game today. his career, the stuff of legends. famous for his goallden voice a
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impeccable story telling. he started in 1950 when he was 22 years old. the dodgers were still in brooklyn. scully called 19 no-hitters and three perfect games, including the one sandy koufax threw in 1965. scully was also behind the mic when hank aaron hit his 715th home run, breaking babe ruth's record. today, the 88-year-old closed his career with a game between two arch-rivals. the dodgers and the giants. the man famously known for calling his listeners his friends signed off by saying, quote, i have said enough for a lifetime. and for the last time, i wish you all a very pleasant afternoon. next on cnn, a night premieres. anthony bourdain heads to hanoi. then nashville at 9:00 p.m. "this is life" with lisa lang at
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