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happening now. art of the real donald trump falls behind in our new poll as he struggles with multiple controversies in his debate performance catches up with him. tonight, trump's foundation is being targeted by new york's top prosecutorer. is trump brilliant for avoiding paying taxes or is hillary clinton right when she says he took from america with both hands? a bombshell report on trump's massive business loss and tax writeoff. clinton gains on trump.
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is she narrowing the gender and enthusiasm gaps? clinton's post debate bump and areas where she still has some problems. election tampering. we are learning about attempts to tack voting systems in nearly half of the country. what is behind these break-ins and are they trying to rig the vote? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar. you are in "the situation room." >> we have breaking news tonight. hillary clinton retakes the lead over donald trump, claiming a five-point advantage in our new cnn/orc national poll. clinton increasing her support with men and independents, and with her next face-off just six days away now. tonight, trump is responding to new controversy, telling voters he used irs laws "brilliantly." "the new york times" reports
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that he may have avoided paying taxes for 18 years by writing off a nearly $1 billion loss in 1995. hillary clinton seizing on this report. she's arguing that trump is part of the rigged system he claims he's going to change. also breaking, the new york attorney general just ordered the trump foundation to immediately stop fund-raising in the state. he's accusing the charity of breaking the law by not submitting to mandated audits. new evidence that attempts to break into u.s. election systems are more widespread than we thought. a homeland security official tells cnn hackers have tried to infiltrate voter registration systems in 20 states. we'll talk to our analysts and correspondents standing by. first, to jason carroll. he's in colorado with more on donald trump and his taxes. jason?
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>> reporter: brianna, donald trump had a lot to say about his taxes this afternoon, here in colorado. he did not say that he would release his taxes, but he did say he had his own take on this contro controversy. he says he knows the tax laws are broken. that's why he's running for president so he can fix it. donald trump trying to turn the tables on the tax issue after "the new york times" published portions of his 1995 returns, showing he reported a $916 million loss that year. >> my understanding of the tax code gave me a tremendous advantage over those who didn't have a clue about it, including many of my competitors who lost everything they had, never to be heard from again. they were never heard from again. >> reporter: the reported loss means trump could have avoided paying any federal income tax for nearly two decades. hillary clinton seizing on the report today in ohio. >> while millions of american families, including mine and
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yours, were working hard, paying our fair share, it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation. >> reporter: trump and his campaign not disputing the authenticity of the tax returns. instead, the gop nominee says he took advantage of the laws to make his company stronger. >> a businessman and real estate developer, i've legally used the tax laws to my benefit and to the benefit of my company, my investors, and my employees. honestly, i have brilliantly -- i have brilliantly used those laws. i have often said on the campaign trail that i have a fiduciary responsibility to pay more tax than is legally required. >> reporter: trump accusing clinton of getting rich by selling favors and access. >> while i made my money as a very successful private business person, following the law all
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the way, hillary clinton made her money as a corrupt public official, breaking the law, and putting her government office up for sale. >> reporter: trump surrogates rushing to his defense over the weekend. >> the genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law, which is exactly what he's done. >> reporter: former new york city mayor rudy giuliani taking the argument a bit further. in an appearance on abc. >> don't you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the united states than a woman, and the only thing she's ever produced is a lot of work for the fbi checking out her e-mails. >> reporter: trump today is facing new criticism after appearing to suggest that some veterans with ptsd lack strength. >> when people come back from war and combat, and they see things that maybe a lot of things folks in this room have seen, a lot of people can't
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handle it. >> reporter: the trump campaign insists trump respects the service and sacrifice of military veterans. and brianna, as you know, donald trump has been very critical of the clinton foundation. now the trump foundation facing its own scrutiny. this after the new york attorney general ordered the foundation to stop fund-raising because in a sense it failed to file the proper paperwork that would have opened itself up to audit. >> jason carroll in colorado, thank you so much. we have more now on our new national poll. it shows that hillary clinton has take an five-point lead over donald trump. it was taken after their first debate but before that "new york times" report on donald trump's taxes was published. i want to bring in correspondent jim acosta on this. what are you hearing from inside of the trump campaign about these numbers? are they concerned? because we heard donald trump address it today. >> reporter: as you know,
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covering the other side of the campaign here, you show one poll they don't like, they'll give you one they do like. but talking to some trump sources, there is some concern. if we can just put them up on screen right now and show you what we're looking at right here. this is the latest cnn/orc poll, 47% for hillary clinton, 42% for donald trump. if there is any doubt whether or not hillary clinton won that debate, this poll pretty much settles that. one adviser says they need some of these negative stories to die down, the foundation, the tax returns. and donald trump did not knock down that "new york times" story that he took a nearly $1 billion loss back in 1995, enables him to avoid paying taxes for 18 years. instead trump and his campaign sound like they're taking a victory lap with the gop nominee saying he handled this issue brilliantly. but there's still a lot of
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confidence that this race is going to tighten back up. consider how donald trump just in the last hour talked about microphone problems he was having in colorado. he was going after the debate commission, saying they were probably controlling his mike in colorado. that shows he was making excuses for his debate a week ago. he's still talking about the debate one week later. >> what about his tax returns? this just renews calls for him to release them. "the new york times" published just the 1995 state tax return, right? so there are many years after that, that would either prove or disprove that he may have not paid taxes. any chance those are going to be released or are they still feeling no, we're not going to do that? >> reporter: i talked to a source who joked maybe he should just put them out tomorrow night during the vice presidential debate. i do think there's a feeling inside the campaign let's just get this over with. but the guiding talking point
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from this campaign for about a year now is that donald trump is und under an ud aaudit, and he's no going to release them, even though he can. and by the way, the 1995 return probably explains what all of those other tax returning would include any way, because those 1995 returns basically mean he would have avoided paying federal income taxes for nearly two decades. that is why when you talk to advisers that i've been talking to over the last day or so, they just want to find a news cycle that benefits them at this point. they just can't find one. >> they needed it today, they didn't get it. tonight, hillary clinton is ratcheting up her attacks on donald trump over his taxes. she's questioning why he thinks he's such a genius if he lost $1 billion in a year. jeff zellny is live for us in ohio tonight. give us the latest, jeff.
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>> reporter: hillary clinton is speaking light now here in akron, ohio. she's just going into donald trump's tax returns, going -- making the case she's been making for weeks, what is donald trump hiding? tonight, she called him the poster boy for the rigged system. hillary clinton returning to ohio for the first time in a month. just in time to seize on donald trump's taxes. or as she said, his lack of paying them. >> in other words, trump was taking from america with both hands and leaving the rest of us with the bill. >> reporter: clinton is touting a "new york times" report that says trump may have avoided 18 years of federal taxes, after declaring a $916 million loss on his 1995 returns. she used it to raise more questions about one of his biggest selling points, his success as a businessman. >> yesterday his campaign was
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bragging it makes him a genius. what kind of genius loses $1 billion in a single year? >> reporter: she's trying to erode trump's ohio advantage and win over voters without a college degree, who are overwhelmingly siding with him. a new quinnipiac poll shows trump up by five points in ohio. she's made such infrequent visits here, the toledo blade wrote last week, where is hillary? in two stops in ohio today, clinton pushed back hard, saying her policies would benefit working class voters far more than trump's. >> and you know, he has been dissing america in this whole campaign, right? he talks us down. he makes disparaging comments about our country. >> reporter: she's hoping a new superstar endorsement will also help. >> i hope to be elected president, but i know here in ohio, lebron will always be the king. >> reporter: basketball great
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lebron james said the children of his native akron and all cities need clinton in the white house. he wrote, hillary is running on the message of hope and unity that we need. all this as her opponent is wading deeper into old clinton sex scandals. trump and his allies are revisiting how clinton defended her husband and blamed his accusers. like in this 1992 interview. >> somebody who is willing to pay you $170,000 to say something and you get your 15 minutes of fame and get your picture on the front page of every newspaper and you're some failed cabaret singer who doesn't even have much of a resume to fall back on. >> reporter: it's a risky gamble for trump, who is trying to expand his appeal to women voters. all this will be fresh fodder for the second debate with trump sunday in st. louis. their first matchup is still driving the conversation, including in the season premiere of "saturday night live." >> my microphone is broken.
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she broke it with obama. she and obama stole my microphone, took my kenya, and they broke it and now it's broken. it's picking up somebody sniffing here. i think it's her sniffs. she's been sniffing all night. testing. testing. jina, jina. huge jina. >> secretary clinton, what do you think about that? >> i think i'm going to be president. [ laughter ] >> reporter: back here at the real life campaign, secretary clinton is responding in realtime. in the last few moments, she told this crowd what donald trump just said in colorado, that he brilliantly used the tax laws to his advantage. he repeated that line to this crowd, and they jeered donald trump. so one more sign this campaign suddenly in stereo as she's responding to everything donald trump says. you can bet that line will be
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one used at their next debate coming up on sunday. >> jeff, thank you so much. joining me now is republican congressman shawn duffy of wisconsin, a donald trump supporter. congressman, thank you for joining us here in "the situation room." >> good to be with you. thanks for having me on. >> you said repeatedly here on "the situation room" that donald trump needs to release his tax returns. you saw this "new york times" report. were you surprised by what it revealed? >> no, i wasn't. i think two points are critical, brianna. contrary to the reporting, you make it seem like in the eyes and ears of the listeners that donald trump didn't pay any taxes. that is clear speculation based on this report from 1995. >> he hasn't rejected that idea, and the report says that he took enough of a loss -- >> brianna -- >> and he bragged about that
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using that to his advantage. >> but now we're peddling in conspiracy theories right now. i think what's important to know is there are no facts to say that donald trump didn't pay taxes, and there's no facts to show donald trump didn't abide by the law. i would ask you and your viewers, everyone who can take tax writeoffs to reduce their taxes, they take it. i'm sure you and your family take every deduction possible to reduce your tax consequence as much as possible. so donald trump did the same thing, hillary clinton has done the same thing. why are we having a conversation about donald trump? this should be a conversation about a broken tax code, which we in the house have aggressively pursued. paul ryan was an architect of it. barack obama wanted nothing to do with it. we need a tax code that is fair, flatter, and simpler. but donald trump did not violate
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the law and there's no evidence that he did. >> we're not saying he violated the law. but i think the question is, does this pass the sniff test or what is sort of seen as appropriate, if not illegal, to some voters? for instance, in our new cnn/orc poll, 79% of trump supporters say that it's a civic duty to pay taxes. so what do you tell -- i know you have constituents who are -- they are doing yoman's work in your correct, they are in the admissions office at ashland university and they're paying taxes. what do you say to them when they may have paid less taxes than donald trump? >> but the point is, did you follow the law? so if you have $1 billion in loss, you can write that off -- >> that's not the point. 79% of trump supporters -- >> this is the point. you can create whatever poll result you want by the way you ask the question.
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most people say follow the law do i think we should reform the tax code? absolutely. but to kind of muddy the waters and say well, there's an allegation that he couldn't have paid taxes for 20 years leads your listeners to go maybe he didn't pay for 20 years when there's no evidence to that point. i think donald trump should release his taxes. but with that, hillary clinton should also release the transcripts of her paid speeches to wall street banks. and i think she should release the 33,000 e-mails that she deleted with bleach bit and destroyed off her cell phone with a hammer. and to be clear, donald trump didn't violate the law. there's no accusation of that. hillary clinton destroying government property, her e-mails, and destroying those e-mails when she had a legitimate -- >> and you know what? we've talked about the e-mails so many times that i want to talk about the taxes, because what we have learned -- [ overlapping speakers ] congressman, congressman,
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congressman -- >> i'm making the point right now for you. >> what my question is, when you look at -- this is my next question, which is different. when you look at the laws -- >> okay, good. >> we're talking about almost $1 billion, and this came at a time when -- i mean, he defends himself. this is how. let's listen. >> you remember the early '90s? other than i would say 1928, there was nothing even close. the conditions facing real estate developers in that early '90s period were almost as bad as the great depression of 1929 and far worse than the great recession of 2008. >> so let's take a look at that, because that's not true. this is 1995 that he's talking about. information, real estate was on the upswing there. experts have said, he probably should have been doing well, because a lot of people were. he's saying that people weren't. and also he's talking about a
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recession, which was years before, lasted only eight months. what he's describing, those market conditions, don't match fact. so what do you take away from that? >> so two points. one, i don't know what the circumstances were in donald trump world with his real estate investments. >> i'll tell you, he made an ill-timed -- i'm telling you. congressman, no, you said you don't know. i'm going to tell you. >> so this is -- >> congressman, no, listen, he made an ill-timed -- >> brianna -- >> he made an ill-timed purchase of the plaza hotel. he mismanaged three atlantic city casinos and made a bad decision getting involved in an airline. >> fine. so when you have a guy that lost $1 billion and he didn't go under, he actually came back and grew his business, strengthened his business, hired more people, he shows that he can take a
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crisis to a recovery. now, hillary clinton and barack obama have absolutely -- had a devastating economy. they've increased the debt by $10 trillion. why would you go to hillary clinton who actually drove us into the ditch? why not go with donald trump who says i've been in a crisis before and i know how to fix it. i lost $1 billion, we didn't go under, we grew, we came back stronger. that's what he wants to do for america. hillary clinton, this economy is crushing people in my community and my district. wages haven't grown, lack of opportunity, all of this debt. donald trump can say i've been through the hard times of a $1 billion loss. >> congressman, i have more time for you, but it's on the other side of a break. i hear you're saying that should be your argument. congressman, stay with me. much more after a break. it's not a banner that goes on a wall.
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we're back now with congressman and donald trump support shawn duffy. our new poll that shows hillary clinton now has a five-point lead over donald trump among likely voters nationwide. still weeks to go of course before the election. but 47% to 42% in this cnn/orc poll. congressman, i want to ask you about something we saw over the weekend. donald trump brought up this issue of hillary clinton's stamina yet again and hit hillary clinton about her bout with pneumonia. i want you to watch what he did at this rally. >> here's a woman, she's supposed to fight all of these different things, and she can't make it 15 feet to her car. give me a break. give me a break. [ applause ]
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give me a break! >> all right, congressman, i don't know if you have returned, but what he did was sort of slumped down as he's walking on the stage to kind of mock her for that near collapse as she got into the vehicle leaving the 9/11 ceremony early. i mean, what do you think about that? are you comfortable with your presidential candidate mocking someone like that? >> so first off, we know that hillary's health has become an issue recently. but to mock her on stage, i don't think is very becoming. i don't think it helps bring people over to your side. i think you're going to win this debate if you talk about the economy and jobs and the border and security and isis. those are all winners. but i think a lot of people who have seen mrs. clinton struggle with her health feel kind of bad
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for her, and don't want to see the opponent mock her for this. >> you mean because she had pneumonia? >> no, i mean you've seen the coughing fit, you saw her struggle to get to the car, the pneumonia. she's struggled up and downstairs. but i don't think you mock her for that. i think the voter will look at that for themselves and make a judgment without mr. trump going after her and mocking her for it. so i think leave that stuff alone. talk about the issues that are going to drive people to the polls to vote for her. >> congressman chris collins said, you know, focus on the issues and he rattled off a whole list of things that seem to make sense as good ideas for donald trump to hit her on. but donald trump has alluded to maybe attacking her over bill clinton's infidelities. i mean, what do you think of that? is that a smart way to go when we're just several days out from a debate? >> so i think it depends, brianna, that you walk on very
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thin ice if you're going to attack hillary clinton on the issues with her husband, and if you're going to attack her on her response to those victims of his sexual aggression. it has to come up in the right situation, but if you don't do it right, a lot of voters will turn against you. but i think what mr. trump has to consider is dangerous, but if mrs. clinton is attacking mr. trump on a war on women argument, i think it's appropriate for him to pivot and say you don't come to this conversation with clean hands. you have your own scenario with the victims of your husband, bill clinton. she's called some of them trailer trash, i think it was one of them said listen, hillary clinton is basically a terrorist against women. but if you do it, again, you've got to be cautious. i do think if you can avoid the name calling on both sides and stick to the issues that are really going to grow the economy and keep us safe.
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that's what most voters want to hear about. we've seen this election more so than any other one. we're talking about this random stuff that drives the cycle, but this is tabloid magazine stuff. let's talk about the issues that are going to kickstart the economy. >> i hear you loud and clear, but this is a candidate that is starting the conversation on it. we're talking about it, because donald trump raised this. if hillary clinton is hitting him on women, then he really is struggling with women in the polls, if he goes into that line of attack, how does that not just make hillary clinton's case? i would expect that if that happened, she might actually be doing better with women coming out of this next debate. >> so two points. one, if she's an agreed wife, who has a flattering husband, that's one thing and that's not a good place to go.
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>> -- that hillary clinton handled the situation with bill clinton's sexual aggression. >> some people would argue that was not because of hillary clinton. certainly no mistake about it. monica lewinsky had a very hard time about that, and she's talked about that, as well. congressman shawn duffy, thank you so much. we appreciate you being with us, as always. >> thanks, brianna. just ahead, hacking attempts
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the breaking news tonight, our exclusive new cnn/orc poll that shows hillary clinton five points ahead of donald trump with five weeks to go till election day. mark preston, you first. take us through this new poll, which came -- responses came after last week's debate. >> right. so a couple of things. as you see right there, hillary clinton on top 47%, donald trump at 42%. this is actually a seven-point swing. she's up four points over our last poll, she's down three points. put them together, she's up three.
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right now, with independent voters, she's up seven points. that is significant from our last poll. in addition to that, white voters without college education, that's down to 21%. and the enthusiasm with hillary clinton voters is going up, while we're seeing the trump enthusiasm going down slightly. so if you're in the hillary clinton campaign in brooklyn, you're having a good day. >> he really needs to turn that around, david. this is a trajectory that, for donald trump, cannot continue if he wants a shot at the white house. >> absolutely. i attribute that to the last wing where he's strung out the loss of the debate over the course of a week and it remains a turnout election. voter opinions are hardened on a lot of sides. the question is, who turns out on election day and who can get to those very few persuadable
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people. >> jeffrey toobin, i want to ask about trump's foundation. he now has the new york attorney general saying cease and desist to the foundation because they did not file the proper paperwork that would have, as they should have been, subject to audits, to reviews, and accountability. he likes to attack the clinton foundation saying that it's corrupt. we've seen some distasteful overlap between the clinton foundation and the hillary clinton state department, but there's not been any finding of corruption. does this undercut donald trump's criticism of the clinton foundation? >> well, i don't think he'll feel that way. i think this line of attack, which he really didn't use at all in the first debate, he's made clear he's going the start using again. i don't know whether it's effective or not, but he's not going to say to himself this is not how donald trump thinks, well, i'm vulnerable on this issue, i won't attack. i don't think he feels like he's vulnerable on this issue at all.
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regardless of what eric sneiderman, the attorney general said. but one thing is worth thinking about, as we approach this next debate. it's going to be a town hall, with ordinary people asking most of the questions. they tend not to like negative attacks. so i think it's going to be very difficult for trump to raise the clinton foundation, to raise the e-mails in an effective way, with a bunch of ordinary people scowling at him. >> they might be forced to explain their plans and maybe to make their pitch for themselves. this foundation story is on the heels of "the new york times" story that says donald trump, and they put out his state tax return from 1995 and he could have not paid taxes for 18 years. he says this is a sign, and what we just had shawn duffy on, he says this shows he made a
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comeback, that he was brilliant, genius, as rude giuliani put it. do we have a sense of what voters think? >> we know that voters do care about his tax returns and the clinton campaign has been push thing idea that he has been hiding something. so for us now to learn he did suffer that very large loss that could have allowed him for 1 years not to pay anything in federal taxes, that's pretty much the best case scenario that the clintons and democrats could have hoped for if donald trump were to release his tax returns or if they were revealed in some sense. so it's certainly not a good thing for donald trump, and especially when we're talking about this swing in working class voters that you mentioned. these are people that are living paycheck to paycheck sometimes, who really do care about the taxes they're having to pay, and to see someone as wealthy as donald trump who possibly is not paying anything in taxes, that's going to be hard for a lot of
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taxpayers at that level -- >> you guys stay with me. we'll have more just as a vote as we go into break here. 86% of people said that paying taxes is a civic duty. so that's something certainly to digest. just ahead, live from new york, it is the presidential debate. >> this man is clearly unfit to be commander in chief. >> wrong. >> he is a bully. >> shut up. >> he started the birther movement. >> you did. >> he says climate change is a hoax invented by china. >> it's pronounced jina. >> he hasn't released his tax returns, which means he's not that rich -- >> wrong. >> not that charitable -- >> wrong. >> or he's never paid taxes in his life. >> warmer. what?
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a comment by hillary clinton may prove to be a setback to her efforts to win over bernie sanders supporters. i'm back now with my political experts. what she said was something that came from hacked audio out of an e-mail where she said that bernie sanders supporters, and this was back in february, where children of the great recession, living in their parent's basement. she did go on to sort of say, in sort of an empathetic way, consider that this is why these are folks who are drawn to a
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different message and she sort of wanted to occupy a more moderate space. so david, when you're looking at that, what do you think? even though bernie sanders has come out and defended her, how damaging is this? >> i don't think it's going to be that damaging. the trump would like this to be a deplorables comment, but it's not. she was describing the position that millennials feel themselves in with jobs, economic process jekt -- prospects, and part of that is people have to move home. >> we just heard donald trump say at a rally in colorado this. let's listen. >> we're a divided nation, and each week it seems we're getting more and more divided, with race riots on our streets on a monthly basis. somebody said don't call them race riots, but that's what they are, they're race riots. >> who is he appealing to here, mark preston?
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>> -- his campaign shows my our new cnn poll hillary clinton gets 95% of the black vote. we can alling knowledge there are problems here in the united states. there are more economic problems, as well as let's not forget, you know, we're seeing poor whites who are very unhappy with the fact that they're being left behind, as well. we're seeing a level of frustration bubble up across the nation. to call them race riots brings it to another level. >> he's also not appealing to the moderate, you know, well educated upper middle has white voters in the suburbs of cleveland and philadelphia. that's not what people will need to hear from donald trump, if they're going to consider giving him their vote in these swing states. >> did you stay up late saturday
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to watch "snl"? nod if you did. you're going to watch it now. >> i've seen it since. >> let's take a look at this portrayal of the first presidential debate. >> this has been an illuminating debate, but now it's time for our -- >> alicia machado. >> i'm sorry, what was that? who is alicia machado? >> thank you for bringing that up, lester. she is a strong, beautiful, political prop i almost forgot to mention tonight, even though we already made a web video about her. alicia machado was miss universe in 1996. >> where did you find this. >> donald trump called her miss piggy and miss housekeeping. >> that was pretty funny. >> mr. trump, your response? >> lester, why are we talking about this woman? we should be talking about the important issues, like rosie
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o'donnell. and how she's a fat loser. and everyone agrees with me. i just wanted to bring that up in a presidential debate. good idea, i did it. >> secretary clinton, why are you crying? >> i'm sorry, lester, this is going so well. it's going exactly how i always dreamed. >> jeffrey toobin, i think what cracks me up about this is that it's sort of like the subtext of exactly what happened even from the throwing in alicia machado mention at the very end which is what happened. it was the biggest moment that came out of the debate. it was like right at the very end. >> it was almost -- you know, if you listen to the tape of the actual debate, you can almost barely hear her name because someone -- someone talked over her. i mean, she tried very hard, i mean, that's what i think was so clever about the skit is that they really show, i mean, it is true that she really shoehorned
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that name in at the end. you know, this is, you know, what happens with these debates is that people have an initial impression, but, you know, comedy show, the talk shows, they amplify it. that, you know, if you thought trump lost, you've now had 15 different comedians tell you he really lost. i mean, that has an effect, i think. >> it does. it seems to kind of snowball, and it even, i think, emphasizes some of the things, for instance, that we saw trump do that republicans look at and they say, why did he do that? like, where he said, you know what we really need it be talking about the issues, to which many people in the gop would have said, oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, then he turns to rosie o'donnell and it's like oh my goodness, right? he's sort of doing exactly what so many political advisers would say -- >> art imitating life. this really does shape people's perceptions. i mean, if i try to think back to the al gore/george bush debates, i think of lock box which was from "snl." and so these impressions really
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do stick with people because they're so funny and so on point. and really do reflect the reality, but obviously to a more extreme -- >> you got to think because trump doesn't like to be skewered in the first place, this just makes it harder for them to right the ship for the next debate. >> all right, you guys, thank you so much. good laugh there at the end for all of us. rebecca berg. david. mark preston. thank you, guys. be sure to join us tomorrow. we're going to have live coverage of the vice presidential debate. that will start at 4:00 eastern right here on cnn. and just ahead, troubling new information about attempted cyber attacks on voting in 20 states. russia strongly suspected. frayed relations between washington and moscow are getting even worse.
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new tonight, a source inside the homeland security department is telling cnn that hackers have attempted to penetrate the voter registration systems in 20 states. cnn chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, is working this story for us. what are you finding out about these election hacking attempts? >> the headline is the number keeps growing very rapidly. last week our information was more than a dozen. now it's up to 20 states, attempted hacks. 23 are asking for help here. you know, these are probing attacks to see what they can find, bigger picture, the concern is that you have a foreign actor that is trying to sew doubt in the results of the
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u.s. presidential election. this is a major, major concern. >> like underwriting, sort of undermining the legitimacy, a huge concern as you say. you did speak to the assistant attorney general about these potential hacking attempts. what did you find out? >> and i did. you know, i pressed him on are they close to publicly naming and shaming who they believe is responsible? we've had a lot of sources, intelligence, lawmakers, tell us that russia is the number one culprit or number one suspect in this, but they haven't reached the stage where they're willing to do that publicly, but when you speak to the assistant attorney general, his beat is national security on this issue. he delivered a very stark warning. have a listen. >> as we approach election day, an enormous level of concern about hacking, parties involved, candidates, but also the u.s. election system. are you closer to making a hard identification of who's behind these hacks? >> well, i'll say this, for a long time, people thought if you did something through
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cyber-enabled means, you'd be anonymous, if you did it through the internet, you'd get away scot-free. and we've shown time and again now though investigation and a attribution is hard, we can find you and we will, and we've done it whether you are operating under the flag of china, iran, or north korea. >> you're confident you're going to be able to find and charge those responsible for these election hacks? >> i wouldn't say that it will necessarily in every case use the criminal justice system. it needs to be one of the tools that we bring to bear charges. i will say this, to those outside our borders who are thinking that they can mess with fundamental american institutions or values, that we can and will find you. i'm confident of that. when we do, there will be consequences. >> we can and will find you. remember, they have a history of doing this. they were able to identify individuals in china behind attack. individuals in north korea. that's something to look for here yp.
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>> yeah. >> it is certainly a warning. thanks for that report, jim sciutto. really appreciate it. i'm brianna keilar. thank you for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news, donald trump bragging about using tax laws, quote, brilliantly, as a new cnn poll shows the debate took a toll on the republican nominee. plus how did trump declare almost $1 billion in losses and what does that say about him as a businessman? my guest linkedin co-founder, billionaire, reid hoffman. and hillary clinton's leaked comments about young people living in their parents' basements. will it hurt her? let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news, donald trump about to rally supporters in a crucial swing state. colorado. trump fighting back against "the new york times" story charging that in 1995 he reported a

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