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don't think keane's eyebrows are low brow. they flount them on tee shirts. >> have an uncontrollable left eyebrow. >> reporter: he once gave john stewart a button. an eyebrow raising debate may be a distraction but how bad can it be being compared to spok and the and the rock. jeanne moos. cnn new york. >> and andersen starts now. good evening to you. potential direct hit from a category four hurricane is what florida's governor rick scott is telling people to prepare for. hurricane matthew. parts of florida, georgia the carolina, mandatory evacuations. six medical facilities across the state have begun moving patients out. there is new information on the storm's track throughout the next two hours. we begin with a run up to the
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next presidential debate here on cnn on sunday as well as donald trump's victory lap since last night's v.p. debate. sunday night could be more than significant. could be decisive. trump in nevada which saw the biggest polling shift this clinton's favor. just wrapped up in reno. what was his message tonight jim acosta? >> reporter: well anderson you can tell we're getting closer to november 8th. donald trump was talking about early voting here in reno, in evidence. and also lit into president obama's signature achievement obamacare. noted earlier this week that bill clinton, described obamacare as crazy system. of course bill clinton has walked that back. but donald trump even tried an impersonation of bill clinton here. and also tried to convince the
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crowd the name of the state is pronounce pronounced nevada. and it is called nevada. >> i understand there were reports trump might have felt up staged from the debate performance last night. what can you tell us? >> the trump campaign is pushing backs on any notion that trump was upset by mike pence's performance last night. kellyanne conway said that was false. truly outrageous were the words she used and trump was praising mike pence at the rally. earlier today he was basically taking a victor lap for mike pence is saying he deserves part of the credit for that performance last night. here is what he had to say. mike pence did an incredible job. and i'm getting a lot of credit because that is really my first
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so called choice. that was my first "hire" as we would say in las vegas. and i'll tell you he's a good one. he was phenomenal. he was cool. he was smart. he was -- i mean you just take a look at him. he was meant to be doing what he's doing. and we are very very proud of governor mike pence. thank you mike pence. >> now of course throughout the day anderson we've been hearing from political pundits up to rush limbaugh asking mike pence whether this performance was generating buzz of mike pence in 020. that is not the effect that the trump campaign intended last night. so perhaps not exactly what they wanted in picking mike pence. it is never good to up stage the boss, especially in politics. >> thanks. much more now on trump's visit tomorrow to an event in new
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hampshire which will be a town hall, same format as sunday's debate here on cnn. dana bash joins us with the details and political strategy behind this. this basically seems like an obvious dry run for sunday night. >> one source told me it was a scrimmage. they really want donald trump to kind of retain his muscle memory from town halls. he hasn't done as many town halls as chris christie or john mccain who basically lived in new hampshire where a town hall is part of the political tdna there. but the fact is they want him to be in an intimate settic just like on sunday night. they have chosen the place where chris christie had his first down hall when he announced for president in 2016. and chris christie is involved in trying to get donald trump ready stylistically for the idea
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of being questioned by undecided voters. how you sit, how you stand, how you approach them. what you say when you approach them. the things that are quite different fairway the traditional debate without the town hall. that is about as far i'm told as they are getting in terms of getting trump to change up the way he's preparing for this debate. as opposed to the prep for the first debate. >> so you are hearing that they are not doing other kinds of prep, mock debates or -- >> correct. >> -- stud sessions anything like that. >> study sessions, yes. i'm told the groups have gotten a bit smaller. before the first debate it was a big conference table with maybe upwards of 20 people. got a bit unruly. not sessions now. no mock debates but nothing long the lining of hillary clinton or mike pence his running mate have
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said, explicitly to me and others that what made him success flfl that debate. he had the practice. one texted me as it was going on last night, practice practice, it matter. i spoke to a source familiar with trump's debate strategy and i said are you going to fly some of pence's people into trump tower to help him and the answer was of course not. they could not be more different. what difference would it make? it couldn't matter. >> and hillary clinton is taking a liter schedule and focussing on debates. >> gre. she's doing what she did before the first debate. the debate team now has shifted back. i will say that trump's schedule is clear on friday. he's not going campaign and he's going to be prepping. >> stay with us. i want to brick in the rest of the panel.
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the fact that trump is doing this, essentially run-through town hall for those who said he didn't prepare enough it will certainly i assume come as good news. >> i think so. look, i think inside the trump campaign there is a sense that donald trump needs the practice. and that the only way to get him to focus is to actually have this dry run or scrimmage, as dma is calling it. and i think it could really help him. however we're all going to be watching it. don't forget. so he's going to be judged on this town hall before he does the one on sunday night. and it doesn't work with donald trump to say be like mike. that is not going to work with for him. so he's going to be donald trump. >> how concerned are you that a town hall format might not be to his greatest strength? >> i think the moderator is going to be a concern on sunday night.
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he's tough. bold. brash. anderson cooper is going to be there he's going to be tough on donald trump. he's going to be tough on anybody but think what people don't remember in the process is donald trump did a lot of town halls. in salem, some in london the day before the primary. won in rochester, new hampshire. in iowa. donald trump did one in virginia on monday with the veterans. this has been a consistent message. who most people are accustomed to are large scale rally wills donald trump talks for 40 minutes. and hopefully what you are going to see is donald trump at his best interacting in a small environment one on one with those people and really answering their questions and really hopefully getting a head start, if you will on what the questions are that will be asked on sunday night. hopefully the same concerns people have sunday night will be addressed tomorrow night in new hampshire. >> and as a trump supporter are you worried he's not taking enough time off in advance of
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this debate? >> no i think friday is good to take that time in the mock town hall tomorrow is good. the veterans town hall. he just had that on monday. he does very well in this format. i think back to the commander ner chief town hall. where the consensus is donald trump did better. they were upset that hillary clinton, how she appeared in a town hall. he did well because of the simple fact he likes people. he's got at engaging with people. take hillary clinton. she seems to hold in contempt anyone who disagrees with her. so i think he likes people and engages with people in a real way and hillary clinton does not. >> is there consensus among republican there is a donald trump needs this debate? needs to do much better? >> yes. 100%. 110% if that is possible. amongst republican whose like donald trump, those who don't. those who are his nearest and dearest say he needs do better.
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and that means saying on the message of what he wants to talk about as much as possible and don't get into a tit for tat with hillary clinton as much as he tries to go to him which is tlo question he'll try to do again. >> there is till zoing to be tit for tat. but whether it is on policy or. >> her terms or his. >> or her terms. how concerned are you ? the stakes are high for hillary clinton. she comes in with wind at her back but the pressure is on to keep that going. >> that is right. and i think expectations manage at this point. i agree with the first part of what she said. there is a format that works good for donald trump. he does engage people really well. i think hillary clinton depending on the person it can be hit or miss. so i'm concerned there is a question that comes up and she comes across as guard order protected and that is normally when she comes across as not
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likable. i will say i've seen several videos where she's been in the town hall and gone very very well. essential things are on her side and that is all the more reason i think the clinton campaign and clinton supporters have a lot more to worry about. >> i would agree. and the clinton campaign and spoupporters across the board should always be concerned. that is how you win: the lead nationally in every battleground state now especially in ohio, i would say to clinton supporters, don't believe them. get out and vote and mobilize and make sure donald trump never gets to the white house that is basithe only way that will happen. and anything can happen. i actually agree with corey. i think this town hall format will be good for donald trump because it can keep him boxed him. he won't have a teleprompter or notes but he'll have the kind of parameters of the moderators,
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the people in front of him that i think will keep him much more managed. >> or at least i think that is what the campaign hopes. >> if the king of town halls is john kasich. >> he did more than a hundred in new hampshire. >> he emotes and hugs people. he was great anyway in that format. i actually disagree with you guys. i think that donald trump has had some difficulty at town halls. and you have done them with him. he doesn't address the the person directly. he turbid and talked to you. didn't seem to embrace the person who asked the question or ask that person more questions about their question which hillary clinton does really well. and your town hall, one of the key moments so far for hillary clinton is when she said she's not a natural politician and said that at a town hall. donald trump has not sort of oured part of his personal self.
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in any of these settings. even when people were asking for it. and i think that is a difficult part for him. doesn't want to share that way. >> we're going continue this conversation with the panel in just a moment throughout the evening. of course the two human resouou on. on sunday starting at 4:00 eastern time. as corey mentions it'll be ducking out for a bit to actually moderate. and our cnn live coverage duets under way at 4:00 eastern time. and just ahead eric trump on whether his dad pays federal income taxes. and the line from last night's debate that became a head line and what latino voters are saying about it when we continue.
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donald trump's former tax attorney who oversaw the 1995 return with that $916 million deduction back than. significantly he said that he could not comment whether trump used that massive deduction to legally avoid paying personal
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federal income tax for ulta 18 years. we did talk with dana bash and here is the answer he gave. >> has your father paid federal income taxes. >> we pay a tremendous amount of income taxes. >> federal income taxes. >> yes. and beyond taxes we also employ tens and tens of thousand os people. >> eric my question now is he has paid federal income taxes over the last 15 years, yes or no. >> of course. absolutely. my father pays a tremendous amount of tax. we vas a company pay a tremendous amount of tax. >> if we ever see your father's federal income taxes it will show -- >> no question about it. he pays federal income taxes. >> for some this puts the answers to rest. few people have dug deeper than --. i spoke to him earlier this evening.
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when eric trump insists his father had paid federal income tax, based on your reporting over the years are you skeptical? >> well i'm not really sure anderson what anything is that eric trump has sceeen. i think both of the trump boys tend to get their father in hot water whenever they speak up on these issues. i think the returns in question go back, you know, two decades. and eric trump is i think his early thirties. so i'm not really -- i doubt that his father was showing him all the tax returns when he was a toddler. that being said, i think one of the interesting things that's dwo gone on in this debate off the "new york times" story is that there is a lot of focus on the legality of this massi ivive
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deduction he took. in fact the writeoff represent an epic business failure. it is i think representative of about 9 hundr$9 hundred million of loans he guaranteed personally in the late 1980s and all of it, all of it ended up in a giant train wreck. he bought airlines, hotels. he overleveraged his casino business. and he ended up with a ton of debt he couldn't repay because he overpaid for properties. he didn't think far enough ahead about the prospects for the various businesses he was entering and classic donald trump decision making. he's actually a very undisciplined, short-term, non strategic thinker. and that writeoff is a big numeric emblem of that tendency
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he has. >> you know, obviously trump could put all of these questions to rest by releasing his tax returns. he says he won't release them while he's under audit even though there is nothing preventing him from doing that. and by his lawyers own admission his returns from 2002-2008 are no longer under audit. >> and by the way anderson the trump campaign has not given any proof to anyone they are actually under audit. they could release the letter interest the irs showing that to be the case and they haven't. secondly, even if there were an audit -- and they haven't made that clear -- that would prevent him from releasing anything. that is just not -- all of the audit stuff a red herg. >> as somebody who was sued by
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trump for writing that he wasn't as rich as he claimed he was -- a suit that was dismissed by the way -- how much does something like that actually bother him? >> i think it bothers him immensely. for all his bluster and bullying and bragging, he's immensely insecure about some very fundamental things. and one of them is his sense of himself. and he -- his net worth and how rich he is, and where he figures on the pecking order is much more important to him than it is to anyone else. no one cares about his wealth as much as donald trump himself carries about it. >> appreciate it you being on. thanks. still plenty of questions out there. back with the panel. dana you had that conversation with eric trump. does that settle anything? or does it raise more questions? >> no. i think questions that were out there remain. there was only so much time and
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there were a wloft unanswered questions even as he was answering the questions. one of which frankly looking back i should have been specific. personal income taxes or income taxes or maybe the obvious is he said he'd seen them. did you see the check, how do you actually know he paid the income taxes? it was his knee jerk reactions as the son of somebody who's under fire to try to put it to bed by saying yes because that was the only answer seemed like he could give. but we don't know. >> donald trump, even him not releasing the actual return, the full returns which are obviously very large has eric trump pointed out in the past. he could just ak a knowledge one way or the other whether he did or did not pate personal income tax as result of this writeoff. >> he did release a statement saying i paid hundreds of
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millions in -- taxes. federal taxes was part of that. i think this whole "new york times" story is emblematic of the reason he shouldn't release his taxes. they put on a headline that says donald trump could have not paid income taxes for 18 years. since when do we have speculatery head lines with no basis to make that fact other than the fact there is a loss claim on a tax form. there is no proof me didn't pay taxes. why would you release hundreds of pages that could be misconstrued by the media. >> he could release his information. what he paid and made and charitable contributions without releasing all pages. >> i think it is irrelevant at this point. the issues that are affects american people today -- job,
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immigration, their own personal tax, burden of washington d.c. regulations. look if people want to dwell on donald trump's taxes, they are welcome to do that. that does nothing to set the agenda moving forward. and what we do know is 11% of people think hillary clinton is honest and trust worthy. and 55 points in the wrong direction if you think the country is on the right track or the wrong track. the american people don't carolina -- they care about jobs and safety. >> they are so tone deaf when it comes to these issues poll after poll, multiple majorities of mesh people. trump supporters. believe wurm number one stacks are the civic duty and people should pay them. and above 70% believe he should release his taxes. and put legality aside. it is unseamly when you have a multi billionaire who touts his
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business ak meyou men and how rh he is every 18 seconds and then there was a news article today how about back 1978 and 79 he did a lot of losses so not just he didn't pay taxes but his business acumen is. >> if you want to buy the argument he had a good accountant and he didn't have to pay taxes. a question is where are his investments? what potential conflicts of interest are there with foreign governments? particularly since he's said i'm going the hand over my business to my kids. and they will still be running that business. these are the things that would be outlined in a tax return. not just the bottom line and not the charitable and all --
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these are serious foreign policy issues. i think the public deserves answers. >> on that point certainly. but there is at point and that is, this is the same person who's called for transparency from potential opponents from this opponent. he's asked for wall street transcripts. he's asked president obama whechbs just thinking about a run for a birth certificate. so why would not not meet the very staple standard. one of the famous lines is he's not even meeting the nixon standard. >> donald trump said in the first debate he'll release his full tax returns as soon as hillary clinton releases 33,000 e-mails. very clear. and more over he did call for hillary clinton to release her transcripts from those wall street speeches and she refused to do that as well. where she's made 10s of memos from executives. if you want to see donald
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trump'd holdings. go to elections and commissions and poult the piece of paper with the properties he owns and the -- >> there is a lot of -- >> totally different. >> -- not in those documents that would be in the tax returns. >> yes. no question about it. the federal -- the financial disclosure has some information. but not nearly as much as you would learn by what he pays or doesn't pay in taxes with with regard to hisregard to his company. >> if hillary clinton, if none of her tax information was out there, wouldn't the trump campaign or any opponent be raising lots of red flags about that. >> i think congress has put in place laws that suggest what we complaint expect of someone running for the highest office in the land. you fill out financial disclosure furm. donald trump did that. we have a law that required her
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to keep the e-mails that she disobeyed. one candidate has violated transparency laws. and thaz hillary clinton. >> nub of that has been proven. >> it has been -- >> no no -- [inaudible]. >> -- by a -- continue to say there is no law that donald trump has got to release his taxes. but the fact of the matter is that again for 40 years this has been the standard. and the american people expect that. for all the reasons that we just talked about. the most important one i do believe is what gloria mentioned. when you have someone who we know has a very strong bromance with vladimir putin and you have somebody that we already know has connections with chinese banks who owe, who actually own the debt that he holds. and he is asking us to give him the position of commander in
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chief when he would have the ability to pass laws and to be favorable -- >> -- [indiscernible]. >> -- [inaudible]. >> i know you ignore the fbi director when it is not convenient -- >> sure. [inaudible] >> we got take a break. more with our panel ahead. mike pence has been getting good reviews for his debate performance. also controversy about his comment about the mexican thing. and the deadly hurricane barrelling towards the u.s. tonight, where it's head and how bad the damage could be picking up for kyle.
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the trump party mate mike pence is speaking in scranton pennsylvania. one moment became a hashtag and a had line. tim kaine repeatedly brought up donald trump's immigration policy in remarks about mexicans. his attacks culminated with this exchange. >> when donald trump says women should be punish odd mexicans
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are rapist or criminalsful or john mccain is not a hero he's showing you who he is. >> senator. you whip t out that mix can thing again. >> can you defend it? >> aliens who have come into this country illegally and perpetrated violence and taking american lives. >> -- >> he also said and many of them are good people. you keep leaving that out of your quote. >> that mexican thing sparked a lot of discussion. joining me -- your reaction to what the governor said last night about whipping out that mexican thing again? >> well what can i tell you? i giggled a lit bit because i thought it was a weird phrase. for a while i thought maybe anthony weiner had gone crazy celebrating national taco day
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which was yesterday. but when he was part of the republican conference he was a very compassionate man who supported and spoke up in immigration reform. so i give him the benefit of the doubt. but most of america doesn't know mike pence. and only knows him as donald trump's running mate. and whirn the running mate of a man who's spoken about mexicans and said some are rapists and said this things about mexicans for 16, 17 months now. somebody who's attacked a judge for being of mexican heritage. an indiana born judge. from the state that mike pence represents you don't get the benefit of the doubt from most americans and we've seen it turned into a hashtag, a rallying call for a lot of latinos. >> do you think it is actually going to hurt him in the latino community? look at the latest national polling on the latino hispanic vote. donald trump winning 17% of likely hispanic voters.
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and secretary clint 65%. that was before the debates. do you think this hurts? >> i'll be the first to concede we're not doing great among vote oefrs color and by the way the republican party hasn't finish me wlex cycles so this is hardly now donald trump. >> it has done better in years past. >> what matters to me as an hispanic is he went down to mexico and i thought acted very presidential when he met with president nieto down there and he said that the mexican american community is a treasure to the united states. e we need and we love legal immigration. and no one by the way is mored a versusly affected by legal immigration than legal immigrants. they are the ones most cheated when we say it is okay illegals
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to hop the line and get in front of them to. we are going to get control of our border. we love immigration. he's the son of an immigrant. married to an immigrant. we know what immigration does to the united states in terms of culture, vitality. but we've been right as a people to do it through legal means. >> and there are only key states with largely hispanic populations. it is not monolithic population by any means. is it possible the way governor pence handled donald trump's statements on undocumented immigrants how he pivoted away from trump's cross-talk about conservative deportation that might help some conservatives vote for trump. >> there are some conservative latino voters but they are the huge minority. the very small minority. i came to this country legally too. i came by plane. i did it legally. but i also understand and i think most latinos have the
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empathy to understand that but for the grace of god there go i. i came as an eight-year-old girl. but could very well have been a dream ad girl. had not my parents not had the money to hire lawyers and make me legal the way they did. i could have been one of those girls who found out when they were 19 and going into college that i was illegal. but for the grace of god i realized that wasn't the case because i was a lucky and fortunate one. but because this campaign has preyed on latinos, has preyed on immigrants. has made it a pillar of their campaign to attack hispanics and attack immigrants and make it one of the things they stand on they don't get the benefit of the doubt. and -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> -- donald trump has made it so since june 16th when he first announced and called mexicans
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rapist. it wasn't me, steve. it was donald trump who went on the attack against mexicans from day one of this campaign. >> steve go ahead. >> what you are doing is you are trying to make the illegal immigrants the victims. they are breaking the law. the victims are not illegals. people who break our immigration laws, people who come here in a way not allowed by our laws. the victims are the american people. >> steve, anna is talking about language that your candidate, the candidate you are supporting has used when you hear some of the lack she's used, do you have any problems with it? >> anderson i'll be the first to say particularly early in the campaign i didn't like the tone. and i think he alienated some hispanics unnecessarily. i think we're doing our very very best to win them over now and try to convince voters of color whether hispanics or african americans that the democratic party has taken you for granted and pandered to you whether it is illegal immigration or schools or
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economic opportunity and what we are saying is we have a better way forward for you. and part of it by the way for legal hispanics is that illegal immigration is a non start are for us. >> okay. i got to go. >> and -- >> there is a reason why your hispanic advisory council has shrunk every day. they are ashamed of the words donald trump has used and you should begin by not calls us voters of color and understanding that african american, muslims, hispanics we are all different people with different priorities and -- >> mike pence and tim kaine will both be on new day tomorrow morning. a closer look at the impact gary johnson and jill stein can have, my conversation with ralph nader next. smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia and hand-slice avocado. there's nothing "or something" about it.
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[indiscernible] . are you supporting any particular candidate this president -- >> no because what i would like do is comment favorably or unfavorably on what they do or say. >> if as the choins between hillary clinton or donald trump do you see much difference? >> of course. but they both flunk. the country deserves a lot better. a failed gambling czar who became a corporate welfare king that's cheated his way to a billion dollars. >> and the secretary clinton. >> more wall street, more war. a hawk that scares the generals. the libya disaster. she over raid gait whose didn't want to top teple the regime in libya because of the chaos. >> what will you do on election day if you don't like any candidates? >> there are third parties and
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there are write ins. >> you know the argument about spoilers. you have called the whole idea of a spoiler candidate as the politically bigoted word. >> the two major party candidates never call each other spoilers. it is only directed to a third party candidate who is considered someone who takes votes away. if you have equal right to run for election, then we are all trying to get votes or so we're trying to spoil one another or none of us are spoilers. >> there are some folks watching the polls and saying that hillary clinton is having a hard time getting some millennial voters who were -- you i peel to back then who are also went for president obama. if gary johnson or jill stein are taking votes from hillary clinton but don't have an actual chance of getting into the white house themselves, aren't they by defense spoilers. >> not at all. why don't major candidates take
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away votes from johnson and stein. -- in the 190s, he took away some of his platform. so this idea of scapegoating. whining, constantly whining in instead of the democratic party looking at themselves in the mirror. they have been fiddling in the house of representatives trying to assemble all the bad republican votes they passed in the house. they still haven't come out with it. >> so if donald trump won on election day and it is a close election you don't think or hillary clinton won, that the third party candidates would have had anything to do with that. >> not when they are at one, two, three percent. and they are both going to shrink from the present polls. they will be lucky to get 1 or 2%. >> in. so states they are doing double digits. >> there are all kind of sine que non. like in florida. 300,000 registered democrats voted for bush. the secretary of state with her
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shenanigans. the butterfly ballot misidentifying thousands as exfelons, taking away their vote. the supreme court decision selecting 5-4 george w. bush. there are a lot of seen sine que nones. >> and i would be surprised if by pushing gore he made critical comments on corporation, oil companies and stronger on the environment that he got far more votes than whatever would have -- >> you actually think by being in the race -- >> yes. when you are at that small level percentage that we were. just a surge of getting out the vote in wisconsin because they thought that the green party was nibble away at them, you know, ensured them gets wisconsin. >> do you think about how the world would be different had you not run in 2000. >> i think the result would have been george w. bush.
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there was a poll right after the election. without me in it and he won it. but look how crazy it is, anderson. we have an election where gore won by 550,000 votes national and the electoral college took it a way from him, this crazy electoral it's scapegoating at its worst. the democrat party doesn't want to look itself in the mirror and ask itself, why isn't it land sliding the worst republican party in history and defending the country? they don't want to look at those. they're dialing for the same commercial dollars. >> thank you very much. >> you're welcome. coming up, breaking news. after battering the caribbean and killing ten people, hurricane matthew heads for florida. we'll get the latest. hrimp. and try as much as you want of flavors like new parmesan peppercorn shrimp. just come in before it ends.
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breaking news from florida. the governor is warning if hurricane matthew lands a direct hit, there could be devastating massive destruction. evacuation is underway. after the hurricane left at least ten people dead across the caribbean. now forkers are watching to see what's in store. our meteorologist jennifer gray joins with us the latest. where is matthew now? >> right now, bits 360 miles
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southeast of west palm beach. it is getting closer and closer. this is the latest advisory. winds 115 miles an hour. gusts of 150. strong category 3 storm. moving to the northwest at 12 miles an hour. it is going to restrengthen. we are thinking that it is starting to get a little better organized and it will have time to strengthen into a possible category 4 storm just off the coast of say, miami-dade, broward counties. thursday afternoon. 130-mile-per-hour winds. and then either brush the coast of florida, move inland, or stay out to sea. see where this cone is of uncertainty. so all of these different scenarios will mean huge differences in the impacts that are felt. this storm jogs a little more to the west. it could mean much more
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far-reaching impacts. it does look like it is going to loop back to the north and east by the time we get into the weekend. and then a lot of uncertainty from there. some of the models are showing this actually bending back around and impacting florida for a second time. as we get into the middle part of next week. a lot of uncertainty there. one thing we are certain of, this will have huge impacts for florida and the southeast coasts in the coming days. >> up next, our second hour of 3 360. more on how hillary clinton and donald trump are getting ready for the town hall debate. woah!
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debates. welcome to the second hour of "360." late word on evacuations through florida. it could come ashore as a category 4 storm. no one is taking that lightly. we'll bring you the late