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donald trump has been losing grounds in the poll this and elsewhere since the first presidential debate. how he and hillary clinton are getting ready for the debate on sunday. ji jim acosta joins us from reno. what was trump's message tonight? >> reporter: he was talking a little about last night's vice presidential debate. he said mike against a good job. he didn't go on and on like did he in the vegas area. that was when trump took credit, saying he deserves part of the credit because it was mike pence that was one of his big important decisions as a presidential candidate. later he wednesday after obamacare, reminding that president bill clinton described the affordable care act as a crazy system. but anderson, it was interesting to hear donald trump sound like a wonk on the election process. he was talking about early voting dates in nevada. he was pointing people in the
crowd to volunteers who could talk to them after the rally. to make sure they know where to vote. it sounds like donald trump is trying to get into the knitty gritty of the voting process which is only a little more than a month away. >> this would be the time to do it. he is hosting a town hall tomorrow, similar to the one on sunday. i guess kind of a dry run for sunday. >> right. and the trump campaign admits it. it is a practice run for donald trump tomorrow night in new hampshire. he'll be doing a town hall style format to get him ready for this town hall event that will be taking place. he'll be moderating on sunday in st. louis. it is interesting. earlier, before the first presidential debate, his advisers were trying to lower expectations. now they're raising the bar. kellyanne conway, the campaign manager, says the town hall format is something that suits
donald trump. tailor made for donald trump's skills. so they're doing something most campaigns don't do. they're raising expectations for their candidate. and i will tell you, after talking to people inside the trump campaign, they're pushing back on this notion that trump was somehow jealous of mike pence's performance last night. they said no, that is not the case. kellyanne conway said that's outrageous. but donald trump will be getting back into debate prep. we were said reince priebus and chris christie will be a big part of that debate process which donald trump will be getting into here in the next few days. >> all right. we'll see the results sunday. thank you. hillary clinton spent the day largely off the stump heading from new york to washington where she held a fund-raiser. we'll have the latest on that and the debate prep. what was clinton's message to supporters at the, tonight's event? >> she did talk about that vice presidential debate for the
first time as well. and she said this about mike pence. she said he bobbed and weaved and tried to get out of the way but defending trump is the impossible task. then she won't to focus on the key event that her campaign is focusing on in st. louis. and she told her supporters this. >> i'm looking forward to our next debate next sunday. i thought the first one went pretty well. and just as in that first debate, i feel it is my responsibility not to defend myself against his attacks. because really, been there, done that. i think it is my responsibility to defend everybody else against his attacks. >> moving forward, clinton is planning, i understand, to stay off the campaign trail largely to prep for the debate. sip lar to what she did before the last debate.
>> she is indeed. practice makes perfect. and her campaign believes practice can win debates. they are preparing in the very same way. she is with a small group of advisers in her home in washington for several hours today. she'll be doing the same thing for the next they have days. off the campaign trail, not meeting any voters. she is having some fund-raisers but no campaigning until after the debate in st. louis. they are trying on recommendly indicate t-- they're trying to replicate after the first debate. >> i'm not sure the last time she did a town hall. i know donald trump we talked about having a town hall tomorrow night. is clinton doing anything specifically to prepare for the town hall format? any mock debates, do you know? >> she will be doing some mock debates for some topics that did not come up in that first debate. she will be once again working with her mock donald trump. that didn't happen today but i'm told it will be over the next
couple days. but going back into the mindset of all the town halls she did early in the campaign. and some of the more interesting moments have indeed come from town hall meetings. some in new hampshire. some in iowa. some on cnn, some with regular voters. they really believe she is able to connect with voters in that respect. but they are taking questions from some staffers and others of what they think may be some of the topics here. her big challenge is being relatable and likable. and she wants to convey that she can indeed win people's trust, even if they don't necessarily like her right now. >> all right. thanks very much. back our panel. joining us this hour, cnn contributor and "washington post" assistant editor, david. it is interesting, gloria, that hillary clinton is doing what she did before. going off the campaign trail. doing some fund-raisers, really prepping for this in a very serious way. >> donald trump mocked her for it during the first debate and
she said yeah, i was off the trail preparing for. do you know what else i was preparing for? being president of the united states. i don't think he will mock her again. he is doing a very public prep session tomorrow late in the day. because he needs to get focused as well. so i think she is going to do what worked for her the first time around and try on repeat it. i just don't know who will play you. >> plenty of white haired weird guys around. it should be fun. david, everything that hillary clinton went after trump on in the first debate, i guess, he will try practice or be trying to prepare for similar types of attacks? >> yeah. he has to prepare for the same attacks. they worked the first time. so there is no 28 clinton campaign will let the foot off the gas. in the same way i think clinton has to be prepared for attacks to come back from trump on bill clinton's infidelities, let's say, the e-mail scandal,
opportunities that trump missed. that they're not going to miss again. >> do you think donald trump should bring up bill clinton's past? >> look, i think as it relates to hillary clinton attack the victims, i think it is fair game if she wants to talk about donald trump and hillary clinton has a history of attack the victim of bill clinton's sexual propensities. if that's the case, hillary clinton wants to make that the issue of this campaign, so be it. i think the american people want to talk about taxes and jobs and hillary clinton's flip-flops on tpp. the fact she hand released her e-mails. she is for amnesty and open borders. there is a clear difference in the issues. i think that's what the american people care about. >> do you think if donald trump goes down that road, then secretary clinton talks about donald trump's past? >> i would hope so. i think it is a huge mistake if they are really thinking about going into bill clinton's infidelities. first, there's nothing that upsets women more than blaming the wife for what the husband
did. so i've been told. but also, we've been there before. remember, bill clinton was reelected after this. hillary was elected senator from new york and reelected senator from new york. this dog don't hunt, as they say down south. i would agree. stick to jobs. stick to trade. i would say, stay away from the infidelities for sure. i think everybody learned in the first debate, i would hope, that preparation matters. and hillary is doing serious preparation for this debate as well. you indicated, donald trump will have a practice town hall. but that's not sitting down, really going over the issues. preparing what you want to bring up and how you'll get under her skin the way she got under his skin. so i think the lack of preparation will show again sunday night. >> what a lot of observers. about the first debate, she did a very good job of pivoting to not only get her point across but to counter attack to donald
trump. and he did not. a number of missed opportunities. obviously something you would like to see him do more of. some something you think he can learn? >> definitely. you know what was counseled, don't take wait. that's something learnable. >> which pence did brilliantly, i thought. >> he did brilliantly. and the clinton foundation, the e-mail scandal and so forth. what at the that was almost more important, he managed to make kaine look very small. kaine when he was asked about the syrian refugee crisis, which we all remember that picture of that little boy badly hurt by a bomb. he used that opportunity to go back to donald trump's taxes. did he the same thing when asked about russia. it was just too much. and pence looked line he was taking it to the issues and elevating and having a more positive tone and it made kaine look small. and i think donald trump has an opportunity to xaer forward. >> the flip side, the candidate he was talking about was not the
candidate who is actually running. >> and here's the other thing. and i hate to break to it republicans. the person showing up at the debate won't be mike pence. it will be donald trump. someone who does not have the training to pivot. somebody who doesn't have the practice to do those pivots. somebody who interestingly enough, is a decades long washington based typical politician. right? the kind that donald trump rails against. and he is the one that has to have, that they want donald trump to imitate in this debate to be successful. >> part of the strength of mike pence in that debate is that he has a core conservative ideology. he is a career politician. although he was a radio host before that. he can assess a question and say this is more of a policy question. this is more bait that do i or don't want to take. donald trump even if he is boning up, doesn't have the years -- >> i think donald trump had a good first debate. certainly the first 30 minutes, he won.
and that i think what is important for him is not to try to imitate mike pence but to be him. anyone who has met donald trump knows how engaging he is. how personable he is. that person wins a town hall. >> can he resist the bait hillary clinton throws at him? which i think you can make the argument very clearly, in the first debate, she brought up issues that got you understand his skin and he did end up eating time up talking about it and discussing it. >> i think in this debate, you have to remember it is a town hall format. very different. this is not donald trump attack hillary clinton or hillary clinton attack donald trump. it is people asking questions. the moderator's ability to control it is very limited. that's what they want to hear from the candidates. does that mean you can't pivot and talk about your ideology versus her ideology? of course you can.
i don't think you'll see direct attacks in the same way as last time. my recommendation to donald trump, to talk to the person who has asked you the question. answer their question. make sure you can outline your question that they're having and contrast that with what your possibly is doing. if you can do that, you can be successful. >> we're in a situation where the bar is even lower for donald trump. than it was at the first debate. for the last hour, i'll give you the first 30 minutes of that debate. i thought did he well. i think now people are sort of going to say, if he doesn't trip, he's done well. and i think the challenge for hillary clinton here is very different. hillary clinton did very well at that debate. she has to show her human an here. donald trump has to show how substantive he is. >> we haven't seen the two of them in a town hall format.
but we've seen hillary clinton in a town hall format. i think comfort has a lot to do with people who look comfortable in that format. there's no podium. we haven't seen donald trump operate without a podium. i think there is a real onus on him. she was very comfortable and he was not. let's remember -- >> donald trump, what donald trump said last time i can be nastier than she is. so let's see how he does at responding to questions from voters. the forum they held, there was no podium there. everybody, every poll. everybody saw it. that donald trump was better there. >> he was seated. i think all the acclaim xam donald trump was well prepared for that. he was focused. he did a very good job there. it was a one-on-one discussion
with matt lauer. >> we're going to take a quick break. there will be plenty more to talk about as the debate prep ramps up. washington university, as people are we minding me. i'll be moderating. single afternoon starting at 4:00 p.m. eastern. i hope you join us for that. what is being called clinton's obamacare gaffe. we'll talk about that as well as president clinton's larger history of sometimes causing campaign history with his statements. we'll bring you up to gate hurricane matthew that could hit florida with a category 4 punch.
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trump. here's what got trump in trouble. >> we have this crazy system. 25 million more people have health care and then the people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a weeker wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. the craziest thing in the world. >> the republicans from donald trump down seized on it. trump talked about it again in a hate stop in reno, nevada. >> did bill clinton blow it. whoa, did he blow it. we're going to show the whole world that america is back bigger and stronger and better than ever before. the first thing we're going to do is repeal and replace obamacare.
president clinton has come out and told the truth about obamacare. two days ago, president clinton ripped the legislation. remember, he called it one of the greatest accomplishments of the president. of the democratic party and our country. exempt it doesn't work. it is a disaster. it is costing everybody, including our country, a fortune. bill has a different view. oh, did he suffer. can you imagine when he walked home to that beautiful home in west chester in hi, hillary, how was your day? >> donald trump turning the gaffe into gold. here's how president clinton tried clean it up yesterday. >> look, the affordable care act did a world of good.
in the 50 something efforts to repeal it that the republicans have staged were a terrible mistake. we for the first time in our history are at least providing insurance to more than 90% of our people. >> again, this is not the first time man has been dubbed the explainer in chief. he's to explain something from the campaign. >> i have no confidence in my political field anymore. i've been out of it a long time. >> former president bill clinton last year downplaying his skills as a surrogate for his wife hillary. >> he was cool, calm, collected. he was calibrating himself. and then he would drop a bomb. i don't know anything about politics. i'm out of it. and then he would drop another bomb. that kind of bill clinton will be a tremendous as tote hillary clinton. >> cnn political commentator van jones considers bill clinton one of the greatest defenders of his wife. liberty listen to him on cnn. i have never seen so much
and pended on so little. the other party doesn't want to run against her. if they, do they want her as mangled up as possible. >> as he beloved figure, period. he is one of the most popular figures on planet earth. you don't put someone like that in a jar and hope they don't say anything. will he make miss snaes sure. >> mistakes like in 2008? early that year the former president called then senator barack obama's campaign a fairytale. then had to explain later that he was talking only about obama's stance on the iraq war. not obama's quest to become the first black president. >> bill clinton compared the south carolina primary win to jesse jackson's successful campaign in the state years earlier. a comment that angered black vote here's thought he was marginalizing obama. clinton tried explain. >> i think they played the race card on me. this was used out of contest is that twisted for political purposes by the obama campaign to try to breed resentment
elsewhere. >> after the interview, he thought his mic was off. then won't to say this. when a reporter asked the question, he was the one pointing fingers. >> you always follow me around and play these little games and i'm not going to play your games today. you have mischaracterized to it get another cheap story. >> they gave him 20 seconds later, as soon as obama won. and since then he hasn't made those kinds of mistakes. >> a july cnn/orc poll shows the public's view of bill clinton has changed cynic he hit the campaign trail. over the summer, 50% of registered voters polled said they had a favorable view of bill clinton. that's down 15 points from march of last year. still, he is always connected well with voters which the campaign homes, despite a tendency to go rogue, will only help hillary clinton.
>> back now with our panel, which never needs damage control. it is interesting to see the problems bill clinton has had on the trail before we all remember, of course, when his wife was running against obama. basically, he did hand the republicans and trump a huge gift with his comments on obamacare. >> yeah. a huge gift. the thing about bill clinton that we really don't see very often in politics anymore is that he is candid and sometimes, he sometimes forgets where he is. and it might be something he would be saying at the dinner table or to some aides and say, obamacare turned out to be a disaster. but he was actually saying it on stage with cameras on him. and causing his wife's campaign a lot of grief. >> we should point out what he was saying was so crazy was that small businesses and their employer and employees, small
business employers and their employees who are working really hard and not above a certain income level have seen their premiums go way up and their coverage drop. >> yeah. obamacare has a lot of kinks in it and it remains unpopular with a lot of people. you can see what president clinton was trying to do. his sort of folksy, i feel your pain kurk believe what these stuffed shirts in washington stuck you with kind of thing but it doesn't may the same for him that it did in 1992 or even 2008. and i see him as a little bit of a liability for the clinton campaign. >> i do not agree with that. i don't think this was such a gaffe at all. i think a couple things. obamacare is absolutely transformational. and it will go down in history as that when we hear and read what president obama did for this country. to give coverage to 25 million people who did not have it before is nothing less than transformational. is it perfect? no.
>> but in terms gaffes, anything in these closing days of a campaign you have to spend a couple days talking about takes you off something else. >> but i think it gives hillary an opportunity to say, look, i never said it was perfect. president obama has never said it was perfect. in fact, they could have fixed it now except for rubble. republicans -- >> what fun this will be for all of us when he is first lady. we're going to have every day, whatever you call him, every day something to talk about that bill clinton has said. i disagree a little. first of all, it bill clinton was right. obamacare is a mess. a scam for the insurance company. bernie sanders was right. get rid of the insurance companies and have single payer. having said that. bill clinton didn't say anything different than barack obama and hillary clinton have been saying all along. which is obamacare is not perfect. it needs a fix. not repeal. >> he is obviously saying
something different than the obama administration when josh earnest came out today and said yeah, i wouldn't have said that. he called obamacare a crazy thing. to david's point, a majority of voters in almost every single poll do not like obamacare. why? they were sold a bill of goods. if you like your doctor, you get on keep it. no, wait, you don't. >> the greatest part, another bill clinton mistake. this is greatest thing. i think for the first time what we see in this campaign is someone who said the truth on the democratic side. he went out and just spoke from the heart. he spoke extemporaneously. it is what the american people believe. you are a small business owner and you are getting destroyed working 60 hours a week and your premiums are going up. and it is too expensive. everyone understands this. bill clinton said what everybody knew. what we saw today was bill
clinton trying backtrack. he doesn't want to backtrack. he wants to say what he said yesterday. that's the real bill clinton. >> then when you have donald trump who says, we're going to repeal and replace. replace with it what? republicans have not come one a real plan that would give the 25 million or more coverage that they need. and i think it really hurts them again with the obama coalition. obamacare gives 10 million latinos nch could that doesn't have it before. single women who have not been able to sleep at night because they worry about -- >> to take care of their children. >> that is incorrect to say that republicans have not come up with a plan. paul ryan had a plan to -- >> with obamacare? >> eliminating state lines. it is a good plan. one that is a lot better than obamacare. >> look, republicans in the
house have voted over 50 times repeal obamacare and replace with it nothing. i've read paul ryan's plan. it's a joke. tax credits for whom? the people who have never been able to afford health insurance don't have enough money to get a tax credit. they need to get it out of the way and get and get a federal subsidy. paul ryan does away with all of that. to come back, hillary clinton has always said, don't dump obamacare. let's fix it. and it needs fixing. >> that's not what president clinton said. that's the problem. obamacare hasn't been a big issue in this campaign and now here we are talking about it. >> and all of a sudden hillary clinton is in a position trying on explain what her husband really men. and bill clinton did that today. he is a smart politician. he understands what that looked like for his wife and he doesn't want to step in it for her. she is going up in the polls right now. >> it also gives donald trump
something specific to talk about that is a hammer against hillary clinton that's not dealing with his taxes or anything else. >> every time they're defending something, it is probably a win for the other side. today hillary clinton is trying to defend something that her husband said. maybe this comes up on sunday. a lot of people need health care system that works. not one where the premiums go up and they get dropped from their provider. so hope any hillary clinton can address this. >> still with an occasional, bill clinton is a huge asset. >> absolutely. people love him. >> he has big crowds. one of the most popular people on the planet. his foundation is doing immense good around the world. keep bill clinton. >> in certain places in the
country, i think bill is right. but republicans think two for the price of one here. we can attack bill clinton. we can attack hillary clinton. it works for you guys. that's exactly what donald trump was doing today and he kind of teed it up for him and i wouldn't be surprised if it comes up. >> i don't think that works for donald trump to grow his appeal, which is what he needs to do. >> we'll see. we'll see what happens sunday. a lot more news ahead. another quick reminder about our cnn coverage ahead. guests tomorrow morning. and form he trump supporters tell why they are planning to vote for clinton. we'll see when changed their minds. also, evacuations begin in florida and several other south eastern states as hurricane matthew causes massive destruction. ight which is good for me hey! and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum.
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in a fox news poll done before the debate, trump was ahead by 4 points among likely nevada voters. 46-42%. clinton leads by 6 points. 44-38. throws the numbers. voters in nevada told gary tucker. >> robert klein is a biker. an army veteran and a registered republican. he says he has never before voted for a democrat for president. so why is the nevada resident at a democratic rally in support of hillary clinton? he said the first presidential debate is the reason. >> before you watched the debate, who were you going to vote for? >> donald trump. >> the debate ended. what did you think? >> totally convinced, hillary clinton. >> following debate the poll indicated dramatic shift. a big swing from trump to clinton. one of the biggest turn arounds
in the country. that's because of people like klein. >> are you disappointed that donald trump convinced you? >> absolutely. i've always admired the man. >> the 55-year-old said it wasn't anything trump said during the debate that changed his mind. >> it was things he didn't say. he never, ever says that he has a plan or he has some idea of what he's really getting into. >> and this is a nevadan who said she is an independent. before this debate, did you know who you would vote for for president? >> no. >> and do you know for sure today? >> i do, yes. >> who is that? >> i'll be voting for hillary. >> she says clinton answered questions directly. and as for trump -- >> he kind of, instead of answering the direct question, he kind of skirts around it. >> thomas is a democrat.
after wrs dropped out, it was clinton facing trump. >> i wasn't enthusiastic about either one. after the debate, he also decided, yes for clinton and no for trump. >> he reminded me of richard nixon. the reason being is that it just looked like he was hiding too much from the get-go. >> donald trump's nevada campaign stops on this day are part of the effort to stop clinton's momentum in the state. >> and many trump supporters fervently believe the upcoming debates can do just that. >> i think it is issues that he'll win nevada. >> i have to have faith in humanity and people and i think they'll realize that she is crooked. >> rob klein says his decision is final. >> is it a weird feeling knowing for the first time you won't vote for a republican for president? >> yes, it is.
i feel kind of a betrayal. >> i think gary joins me now. the people you spoke to, did any of them tell you their family members or friends were surprised or upset that they're voting for clinton? >> that did indeed happen. several people we talked with have made the decision to vote for hillary clinton were afraid to go on camera. they did not want to get family members angry. they did not want to create embarrassment for their families. one woman we talked on who decided to vote for hillary clinton has a son who works for a republican politician in nevada. she is a good mom and she was concerned if she won't camera, her son could lose his job. we don't know if that could happen but you can see it is a sensitive issue. >> the justice department said top secret intelligence was stolen from the nsa. the government contractor who allegedly took files home with him has been charged.
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of a deal is it? >> well, it is a big deal according to federal authorities. they say unauthorized disclosure of the top secret documents that harold martin allegedly stole from his workplace could cause exceptionally grave dang to the national security of the u.s. this is a picture of him right here. and furthermore, martin worked at booz allen hamilton for the national security agency, the same contractor that employed edward snowden. among the documents they believe he stole were the hacking tools that the nsa developed to break into computer systems in other countries. and according to law enforcement officials. they were posted on the northwest. we're told they were suspicious of him for some time. the investigation intensified. he was arrested in august but that was not made public until today. after the new york time reported the story. the arrest.
>> so he worked for the same contractor that edward snowden worked for. do we know what his alleged motivations were? or who he was trying to give this to? >> so at this point, investigators haven't concluded what his motivation is. where it was political like we saw with edward snowden or profit driven. at this point, sources who have do say that the fbi does not believe that he was working on behalf of a foreign country. we should note there is a statement that says this is another blow to the nsa after, and i'm sorry. the statement isn't on here. but basically the attorney said that as he good man. he lost hves his country. he loves his family. these are simply allegations. >> after snowden, was anything done to prevent future leaks? >> right. there was a lot of effort done after the snowden leaks to try to prevent future insider leaks,
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for whatever you're trying to master. . welcome back. all of florida is under a state of emergency with hurricane matthew in its sights. the governor briefed the public tonight, making the threat as plain as he could. >> protecting life is the number one priority right now. if matthew directly impacts florida there will be massive destruction we haven't seen in years. again, this is a deadly storm approaching our state. >> the hurricaine has already left at least ten people dead, and caused massive instructides. how far away is matthew and when
will we begin to see impacts? >> right now it's about 360 miles southeast of florida. the governor is right. he's not being dramatic. this is a serious situation. we haven't had a major storm impact florida since 2005, so it's been a very long time. with this being a transient state a lot of people are new, maybe never experienced a hurricaine. this is going to be -- could be the most powerful storm we've seen impact this portion of the coast in history, ever recorded, as far as storms are concerned. 115-miles-per-hour winds, 115-miles-per-hour winds moving to the northwest at 12. it is starting to gets it self back together gefagain. we could see it in miami-dade, by thursday 2:00 p.m., we'll start to feel the effects several hours before and then by the time we are just off the coast of say cape canaveral, the
space coast, category four, now this could track further to the west and that's going to have much bigger impacts than if it tracks a little bit farther to the east. beyond that it's going to curve back to the fort worth and east and th north and east, and we have a lot of time to watch it, so let's just take this one step at a time, because this is a monster. we talk about the models, the forecast models and a lot of times they don't like to agree. they're agreeing on this one. a lot of agreement in where this is going to be central coastal florida, that space coast, there's the european model. there's the american model. almost the exact same spot. so this afternoon, we finally had a lot of agreement and there's the forecast models, but like i said, anderson, in the last hour, it's going to make a lot of difference, and let's go to the floor and show you. it's going to make a lot of difference where exactly this is. even the smallest shifts to the west or to the east is going to make a huge impact because
hurricaine-force winds extend about 45 miles from the center, and so if this storm tracks a little bit farther to the west, you are going to have those dangerous category four winds onshore. if this tracks a little bit farther to the east, then those winds are going to be offshore and so you will have most likely tropical storm-force winds along the coast but those 120-plus-miles-per-hour winds will most likely stay offshore so that's why it is so important that if you are ordered to evacuate, you do so, because with the smallest little shift to the west, it could mean that now you are in that danger zone and you are going to experience those winds 130-plus-miles-per-hour where before you didn't quite think so. so that's why it's so important to evacuate if you are told to and definitely be on alert. anderson. >> a lot to watch for. jennifer gray, thank you. evacuations are already underway. in florida, georgia, north
carolina, south carolina. we're joined from daytona beach with the latest. so are you already starting to feel the effects of matthew? >> reporter: we can definitely feel the winds. we can hear the surf. the surf is expected to go up to eight two 12 feo 12 feet by som friday. we already see the effect when is it comes to the population here. a lot of people have left. they have gone. we also checked into some of the stores and a lot of things are missing like gas canisters. folks worried that the gas is going to run out so they're filling up their suvs and canisters. we know the big pal ellets of water, can't find that. generators are gone. people are heading the warning. we know the barrier highlands that have about 150,000 people, anderson, they have voluntary evacuates and they are heeding
those. tomorrow they be come mandatory and as you heard jennifer gray say this is a monster storm. this is no joke. people are not being dramatic. officials are concerned if people stay behind when they're told to evacuate you are putting people who rescue others like firefighters and the police in danger and they do not want to do that. so they are telling everyone pay attention because obviously these storms can move and shift, but certainly there is a lot of concern here and we can see it in the streets 'cause this is a spring break down, it's pretty dead tonight. >> all right, sarah seidner, thank you, we'll be right back. americans...
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