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welcome to the second hour of "360." breaking news on hurricane matthew. late word on evacuations through florida. it could come ashore as a category 4 storm. no one is taking that lightly. we'll bring you the latest. we again in reno, nevada. donald trump has been losing grounds in the poll this and elsewhere since the first presidential debate. how he and hillary clinton are getting ready for the debate on sunday. i will be moderating along with martha rad dats from st. louis. our jim acosta is joining us from reno. what was trump's message to voters tonight? >> anderson, he was talking about last night's vice presidential debate. he said mike pence did a great job. he didn't go on and on as he did earlier today in the las vegas area. that's when trump basically took
credit for the job mike pence did last night saying he deserves part of the credit because it was mike pence that was one of his first big important decisions as a presidential candidate. later in this speech he went after obamacare, reminding the crowd here that president clinton earlier this week described the affordable care act as a crazy system. anderson, it was interesting to hear donald trump sound like a wonk on the election process. he was talking about early voting dates in nevada, pointing to volunteers in the crowd that could talk to them to make sure they know where to vote. it sounds like trump is trying to get in to the nitty-gritty of the voting process which is only a little more than a month away. >> he is hosting a town hall in new hampshire tomorrow. similar format, i understand, to the one on sunday's debate. i guess a dry run for sunday. >> right. the trump campaign admits this is a practice run for donald
trump tomorrow night in new hampshire. he's going to be doing a town hall-style format to get ready for the town hall event taking place. he will be moderating on sunday with martha raddatz. his advisories were trying to lower expectations and now raising the bar. kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager says the town hall format suits trump. tailor-made for his skills. they are doing something most campaigns don't do at this point, they are raising expectations for their candidate. i will tell you after talking to people in the trump campaign they are pushing back on the notion that trump was jealous of pence's performance. they say that is not the case. kellyanne conway says it is outrageous. donald trump will be getting in to debate prep. a gop source told me this evening that reince priebus, the
rnc chair and governor chris christie will be a big part of the debate process that donald trump will be getting in to. >> thank you. hillary clinton spent the day largely off the stump heading new york to washington where she held a fund-raiser tonight. jeff zeleny has the latest on that and the debate prep. what was clinton's message to supporters at tonight's event? >> she did talk about the vice presidential debate for the first time, as well. she said this about mike pence. she said he bobbed and weaved and tried to get out of the way, but defending trump is the impossible task. she focused on the key event her campaign is focusing on, this showdown in st. louis. she told her supporters this -- >> i'm looking forward to our next debate, next sunday. i thought the first one went pretty well. and just as in that first
debate, i feel it's my responsibility not to defend myself against his attacks because really, been there, done that. i think it's my responsibility to defend everybody else against his attacks. >> moving forward, clinton is planning, i understand, to stay off the campaign trail largely to prep for the debate. similar to what she did before the last debate. >> she is, indeed. practice makes perfect. and her campaign believes practice could win debates. they are preparing in the same way. she was with a small group of advisers in her home in washington for several hours today. she will be doing the same thing for the next three days. off the campaign trail, not meeting any voters. she's having some fund-raisers but no actual campaigning until after the debate in st. louis. they are trying to replicate the process from the first debate because they believe it worked
for them and what goal overall they want to keep the momentum alive that she thought she won in the first debate. >> i'm not sure last time she did a town hall, trump is having a town hall tomorrow night. is hillary clinton doing anything to prepare for the town hall format, mock debates. >> she will do mock debates on topics that didn't come up in the first time. i'm told it will happen the next couple of days and going to the mind set of the town halls she did early in the campaign. some of the interesting moments she's had have come from town hall meetings. some in new hampshire, iowa, some here on cnn, some with regular voters. they believe she's able to connect with voters in that respect. they are taking questions from some staffers and others about what they think maybe the topics here. her big challenge is being relatable and likable.
she wants to convey she can win people's trust, even if they don't necessarily like her right now. anderson? >> jeff zeleny, thank you very much. back with our panel, cnn ribt contributor and "washington post" assistant editor david. >> hong kong s >>. >> hillary clinton is off the campaign trail and prepping for this in a serious way. >> donald trump mocked her for it during their first debate. she said, yeah, i was off the trail preparing you know what else i was preparing for to become the president of the united states. i don't think he will mock her again. he is doing a public prep session tomorrow late in the day because he needs to get focused, as well. i think she's going to do what worked for her the first time around and try to repeat it. i don't know who will play you. >> plenty of white haired weird looking guys around. that should be fun.
david, everything that hillary clinton went after trump on in the first debate i guess he will try to practice or prepare for similar kind of attacks. >> yeah. he's got to prepare for the same attacks. they worked the first time and no way the clinton kplacampaignl let the foot off the gas for trump. but clinton campaign has to be ready for attacks from trump on infidelities of bill clinton and they missed and won't miss again. >> do you think that donald trump should bring up bill clinton's past? >> i think it is fair game if she wants to talk about donald trump and hillary clinton as a history of attacking the victims of bill clinton's sexual propensities. if that's the case, hillary clinton wants to make it the issue of this campaign so be it. the american people want to talk about taxes and jobs and hillary clinton's flip flops on tpp and
the fact she hasn't released her 33,000 e-mails, immigration, amnesty and open borders. i think that's what the american people care about. >> do you think if donald trump goes down that road, secretary clinton talks about trump's past? >> i would hope so. i think it is a huge mistake if they are thinking of going in to bill clinton's infidelities. first of all, there's nothing that pisss off women more than to blame the wife for the husband. >> you think? >> so i have been told. look, we have been there before. remember, bill clinton was re-elected after. this hillary was elected senator from new york and re-elected senator from new york. this dog don't hunt as they say down south. i would agree, stick to jobs, trade and those issues and stay away from the infidelities for sure.
everyone learned in the first debate i would hope that preparation matters p. you indicated donald trump will have a practice town hall. that's not sitting down, really going over the issues, preparing on what you want to bring up and how you are going to get under your skin the way she got under his skin. i think the lack of preparation will show sunday night. >> a lot of observers said about the first debate is she did a good job pivoting to not only get her point across but to counterattack to donald trump. he did not, a number of missed opportunities that he didn't do that. obviously something you would like to see him do more of. is that something you think he has learned or can learn? >> scott walker said he counselled mike pence to not take the bait. that is learnable sglb which pence did brilliantly. >> he did brilliantly and he laid out the harshest critiques of hillary clinton, clinton foundation, e-mail scandal and so forth. what he did, which is almost
more important than that, is to make kaine look small. when he was asked about the syrian refugee crisis. we all remember the picture of the boy badly hurt by a bomb he used the opportunity to go back to donald trump's taxes. he did the same thing when asked about russia. it was too much and pence looked like he was taking it to the issues and elevating it and having a positive tone and made kaine look small. >> the flip side of that, the candidate he was talking about is not the candidate actually running. >> here's the other thing. i hate to break it to republicans but the person that will show up to the debate isn't mike pence. it will be donald trump. somebody who doesn't have the training to pivot. somebody that doesn't have the practice to do those pivots. somebody who interestingly enough is a decades-long, washington-based typical politician. right? the kind that donald trump rails against. yet he's the one they want
donald trump to imitate in this debate in order to be successful. >> part of the strength of mike pence in that debate is he has a core conservative ideology. he is a career politician. though he was a radio host before that. he can assess a question and say this is a policy question, this is more bait that i do or don't want to take. donald trump, even if he is boning up this week doesn't have the years of policy knowledge to fall back on. >> i think donald trump had a good first debate. the first 30 minutes he won. i think that what's important for him is not to try to imitate mike pence but to be him. anyone who knows donald trump knows how engaging and personable he is. that person wins a town hall. hillary clinton doesn't have that. >> can he resist the bait that hillary clinton throws at him? i think you can make the argument clearly in the first debate she brought up little issues that got under his skin
and he did end up eating time up talking about and discussing. >> i think in this debate you have to remember it is a town hall. very different. this is not donald trump attacking hillary clinton, or hillary clinton attacking donald trump. it is responding to people asking questions. whe don't know what the questions will be. the moderator's ability to control it are limited. people have concerns and that's what they want to hear from the candidates. does that mean you can't pivot and talk about your ideology versus her ideology. it is my recommendation to talk to the person that asked you a question and outline your vision of what you want to do to fix the problem they are having and contrast it with what your opponent is doing. you can do that you are successful. >> we are in a situation where the bar is lower for donald trump than it was at the first debate. because of his performance at the first debate, for the last hour of it, let me say.
i will give you the first 30 minutes of that debate. i thought he did well. i think now people will say if he doesn't trip, you know, he's done well. i think the challenge for hillary clinton is very different. hillary clinton did really well at at this debate. she has to show her humanity here. donald trump has to show how substantive he is. >> we haven't seen the two of them in a town hall format, but we have seen hillary clinton in a town hall format. i think comfort has a lot to do with people that look comfortable in that format. there's no podium. we haven't seen donald trump operate without a podium. she is very comfortable in that situation and she was relaxed in the first debate and she knew how to get under her skin. i think she can do it in a town hall format. >> let's remember what donald trump said last time, when hillary clinton got so under his
skin is i can be nastier than she is. let's see how he does that responding to questions from voters. >> to bill's point, the commander in chief forum that was held, there was no podium there. everybody that saw it said donald trump was better there. >> he was seated. >> but there was no podium. >> ability to interact and i think all of the acclaim came and donald trump was well prepared and focused and it was a one-on-one with matt lauer and answering questions. the face off sunday in solution our cnn live coverage underway at 4:00 p.m. eastern. hope you join us for that. more ahead on what is called bill clinton's obamacare gaffe which donald trump is capitalizing on. we will talk about that as well
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donald trump winning again tonight. bill clinton can be an asset and liability on the stump. here's what got him in trouble, remarks the other day about the affordable care act. >> we have this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then people are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut
in half. it's the craziest thing in the world. >> republicans who donald trump down seized on that. donald trump talked about it tonight at a stop in reno, nevada. >> did bill clinton blow it, whoa, did he blow it. we're going to show the whole world that america's back bigger, better, stronger than ever before. the first thing we will do is repeal and replace obamacare. president clinton has come out and told the truth about obamacare. in all fairness he told the truth. two days ago he torched president obama's signature legislation. remember hillary clinton called obamacare one of the greatest accomplishments of the president. of the democratic party and of our country. except it doesn't work. it's a disaster. it's costing everybody,
including our country a fortune. bill has a different view. oh, did he suffer. can you imagine when he walked home to that beautiful home in west chester and he said, "hi, hillary. how was your day"? >> donald trump turning a gaffe in to campaign gold until reno, nevada. here's how president clinton tried to clean up the damage yesterday. >> the affordable health care act did a world of good. in the 50 something efforts to repeal it were a terrible mistake. we are providing insurance to more than 90% of our people. >> again, this is not the first time he man has been dubbed the explainer in chief. more on that tonight from randi kaye. >> i have no confidence in my political field anymore. i have been out of it a long time. >> former president clinton down playing his skills as a
surrogate for his wife hillary. >> he was cool, calm, collected. he was calibrating himself and then he dropped a bomb. i don't know anything about politics, i'm out of it. then dropped a bomb. that will be an aset to hillary clinton. >> van jones considers bill clinton one of the greatest defenders of his wife. listen to him on cnn with fareed zakaria. >> i have never seen so much expended on so little. the other party doesn't want to run against her. and if they could do they would like her mangled up as possible. >> he is a beloved figure, period. he is one of the most popular politicians and political leader on plane planet earth. you don't put somebody like that in a jar and hope they don't say anything. will he make some mistakes, sure? >> reporter: mistakes like in 2008. early that year the former president called senator obama's campaign a fairy tale and then had to explain he was talking about only about obama's stance
on the iraq war, not his quest to become the first black president. bill clinton compared obama's south carolina primary win to jesse jackson's successful campaign in the state years earlier. a comment that angered black voters who thought he was marginalizing obama. clinton tried to explain. >> i think they played the race card on me. this was used out of context and twisted for political purposes by the obama campaign to breed resentment elsewhere. >> reporter: after the interview the former president thought his mike was off and went on to say this -- when a reporter asked about his comments the former president was the one pointing fingers. >> you always follow me around and play games. i'm not going to play your games today. you have mischaracterized it to get another story. >> since then he hasn't made
those mistakes. >> reporter: july cnn/orc poll shows the public's view of pacific become has changed, over the summer 50% of voters polled said they had a favorable view of bill clinton, down 15 points from march of last year. still he's always connected well with voters, which the campaign hopes, despite a tendency to go rogue will only help hillary clinton. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> back with our panel that never, ever needs damage control. start with gloria. it is interesting to see the problems bill clinton has had on the trail. we all remember when his wife was running against obama. basically did hand the republicans and trump a huge gifts with his comments on obamacare? >> yeah. a huge gift. the thing about bill clinton that we really don't see often in politics anymore is that he is candid.
he sometimes forgets where he is. it might be something he'd be saying at the dinner table or to some aide and say obamacare turned out to be a disaster, but he was actually saying it on stage with cameras on him. and causing the -- his wife's campaign a lot of grief. >> we should point out what he was saying was so crazy is that small businesses and their employees, small business owners and their employees who are working really hard and not above certain income level have seen their premiums go way up and their coverage drop. >> obamacare has a lot of kinks in it and is unpopular program with a lot of people. you can see what he was trying to do there his folksy, i feel your pain. can you believe what these stuffed shirts in washington stuck you with kind of thing but it doesn't play the same way it did in '92, '96 or 2008.
i see him as a liability for the clinton campaign. >> i absolutely do not agree with that. i don't think that this was such a gaffe at all. i think a couple of things, obamacare is transformational and it will go down in history as that when we hear and read what president obama did for this country to give coverage to 25 million people who did not have it before is nothing less than transformational. it is perfect, no. >> just in terms of gaffes, anything in these closing days of a campaign, you have to spend a couple of days talking about. >> it gives hillary an opportunity, saying i never said it was perfect. president obama never said it is perfect and they could have fixed it by now except for republicans never want to help -- >> first of all, watching that piece my thought was what fun this will be for all of us when he is first lady. we will have every day of
something to talk about that bill clinton has said. i disagree a little bit. first of all, i think bill clinton was right. obamacare is a mess. it's a scam for the insurance companies. bernie sanders is right. get rid of insurance companies and have single payer. having said that, but bill clinton didn't say anything different than barack obama and hillary clinton have been saying all along which is obamacare is not perfect. it needs a fix, not repealed. >> he is obviously saying something different than the obama administration when josh earnest said i wouldn't have said that. he called obama crazy. and to david's point. >> he didn't say it was crazy -- >> to davids point p almost everyone doesn't like obamacare. they were soldal bill of goods, if you like your doctor you keep it, oh, no you can't. >> we are talking about bill clinton mistake. this is the greatest thing. i think the first time what we
see in the campaign is someone who said the truth on the democratic side. he spoke from the heart. this is what he believes. it's what the american people believe. he understands that. the fact you are a small business owner and you are getting destroyed working 60 hours a week and premiums are going up and multiple insurance companies are dropping the plan in multiple states because it is too expensive. bill clinton said what everyone knew but the obama team and hillary clinton said no, you are going to damage control. what we saw is bill clinton trying to backtrack. he doesn't want to backtrack. he wants to say what he said yesterday. that's the real bill clinton and that's the problem. >> when you have donald trump who says we're going to repeal and replace. replace it with what? >> paul ryan's plan. >> they have haven't been able to come up with a plan that will give 25 million people or more the coverage they need. it hurts them with the obama coalition. obamacare gives 10 million latinos coverage that didn't have it before. millions of african-americans,
single women who have not been able to sleep at night because they worry about not being able to take care of their children. obamacare gives them. >> that is incorrect to say that republicans have not come out with a plan. paul ryan came up with a plan that gives tax credits for people to buy insurance. it addresses the flaws, eliminating state lines, allowing companies to compete. it is a good plan and a lot better than obamacare. >> republicans in the house have voted 50 times to repeal obamacare and replace it with nothing. i've read paul ryan's plan. it is a joke. tax credits for whom, the people who never can afford health insurance don't have enough money to buy health insurance but they need to get the insurance companies out of the way and get a federal subsidy. paul ryan does away with that. hillary clinton has always said don't dump obamacare. let's fix. it. it needs fixing.
>> that's not what president clinton said. that's the problem. obamacare hasn't been a big issue in the campaign and all of a sudden here we are talking about it. >> all of a sudden hillary clinton is in a position to explain what her husband meant and trying to unwind it. bill clinton tried to do that today because he's a smart politician. he understands what that looked like for his wife. he doesn't want to step in it for her. she's going up in the polls right now. he doesn't want to do anything -- >> it gives donald trump something specific to talk about than is a sledgehammer against hillary clinton that is not dealing with his taxes or anything else. >> that's why they love it. >> every time you defend something your spouse said is a win they are the other side. and look, maybe it comes up at the debate on sunday. >> i hope so. >> there are a lot of people who need a health care system that works, not one where their premiums go up and they get
dropped from their provider. hopefully hillary clinton will address the issue. does she agree it has been an utter failure? >> i say with an occasional mall low proppism or whatever, bill clinton is a huge profit to hillary clinton. >> he is one of the most popular people on the planet. his foundation is doing tremendous around the world. >> in certain places in the country, i think bill is right. republicans think two for the price of one here. we can attack president clinton president clinton and hillary clinton. it works for you guys. that's what donald trump was doing today. he teed it up for him and i wouldn't be surprised if it comes up. >> i don't think it works for donald trump to grow his appeal, which is what he needs to do. >> we will see what happens on sunday. a lot to talk about ahead. more news tonight t. stay with us, another quick reminder about our cnn coverage ahead.
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a reminder on sunday night the presidential candidates will face off their second debate. i will be moderating. 84 million people watched the first debate. hillary clinton got a bounce nationally according to polls. in a fox news poll, trump was ahead by nevada voters 46 to 42%. after the debate, clinton leads trump 44-38. those are the numbers. here's what voters in nevada told our gary tuchman. >> reporter: robert klein is a biker, an army veteran and a registered republican. he said he has never before voted for a democrat for
president. so why is the nevada resident in support of hillary clinton? he said the first presidential debate is the reason. >> before you watched the debate who were you going to vote for? >> donald trump. >> and the debate ended and what did you think? >> totally convinced hillary clinton. >> reporter: following the debate, polling indicated a dramatic shift in nevada, a swing from trump to clinton. one of the biggest turn arounds in the country. that's because of people like klein now attending his first ever democratic rally. >> are you disappointed that donald trump didn't convince you he should be president? >> absolutely. absolutely. because i've always admired the man. >> reporter: the a55-year-old said it wasn't anything he said that changed his mind. >> it's the things he didn't say. every speech he has a plan or
some idea what he is really getting in to. >> reporter: shawnice says she is an independent. before this debate did you know who you were going to vote for president? >> no. >> reporter: do you know today? >> yes. >> reporter: who is that? >> hillary. >> reporter: she said clinton answered questions directly and as for trump. >> he skirts around the question. >> reporter: thomas stark is a registered democrat. after bernie sanders dropped out, it was clinton facing trump. >> i wasn't enthusiastic about either one. >> reporter: after the debate he also decided yes for clinton and no for trump. >> he reminded me of richard nixon. the reason being is that it just looked like he was hiding too much from the get go. >> reporter: donald trump's nevada campaign stops are part of the effort to stop clinton's momentum in the state.
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are learning about another breach of top secret intelligence at the nsa. a government contractor was arrested in august. the justice department is making it public. our justice correspondent pamela brown has the latest. what do we know about this? how big of a deal is it? >> it's a big deal according to federal authorities. they say unauthorized disclosure of the top secret documents that harold martin allegedly stole from his work place could cause damage to the national security of the u.s. this is a picture of him right here. further more, martin worked at booz allen hamilton as a contractor the same contractor that employed edward snowden.
among the documents were some detailing the hacking tool the nsa developed to break in to computer systems in other countries and according to to law enforcement officials, documents detailing the tools were posted on the internet in recent months. we're told the fbi and nsa have been suspicious of martin for some time. and when the tools were released on-line the investigation intensified. he was arrested in august but that wasn't made public until today after the "new york times" reported the story, the arrest. anderson? >> he worked for the same contractor working for the nsa that edward snowden worked for, which is i guess booz allen hamilton. do we have any idea what his alleged motivations were, or who who he was trying to give the information to, if anyone? >> investigators haven't concluded what his motivation was, whether it was political, like snowden, or profit driven. at this point, sources say the fbi does not believe he was working on behalf of a foreign country. we should note his attorneys
have released a statement and that reads in part this is another blow to the nsa after -- i'm sorry, the statement isn't on here, but basically the attorney said he's a good man. he loves his family. he loves his country and these are allegations at this point. >> after snowden, was anything done to prevent future leaks? i'm sure they must have done some security review. >> there was a lot of effort done after the snowden leaks to try to prevent future insider leaks, future insider threats. this is a huge blow to the nsa. the nsa and other security agencies have been trying to prevent this type of thing from happening and the nsa has been trying to rebuild its reputation. this is a blow to the nsa and booz allen hamilton as we pointed out, the same contractor that employed edward snowden. >> appreciate the update. up next, devastation in
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welcome back. all of florida is under a state of emergency with hurricane matthew in its sights. the governor briefed the public tonight, making the threat as plain as he could. >> protecting life is the number one priority right now. if matthew directly impacts florida there will be massive destruction we haven't seen in years. again, this is a deadly storm approaching our state. >> the hurricaine has already left at least ten people dead, and caused massive destruction. how far away is matthew and when will we begin to see impacts?
>> right now it's about 360 miles southeast of florida. the governor is right. he's not being dramatic. this is a serious situation. we haven't had a major storm impact florida since 2005, so it's been a very long time. with this being a transient state a lot of people are new, maybe never experienced a hurricaine. this is going to be -- could be the most powerful storm we've seen impact this portion of the coast in history, ever recorded, as far as storms are concerned. 115-miles-per-hour winds, 115-miles-per-hour winds moving to the northwest at 12. it is starting to gets it self back together again. et cetera going strengthen a little bit more as it heads to the north and west. we could see a category four off the coast of broward and miami-dade counties by thursday 2:00 p.m., we'll start to feel the effects several hours before and then by
the time we are just off the coast of say cape canaveral, the space coast, category four, now this could track further to the west and that's going to have much bigger impacts than if it tracks a little bit farther to the east. beyond that it's going to curve back to the north and east, and we have a lot of time to watch it, so let's just take this one step at a time, because this is a monster. we talk about the models, the forecast models and a lot of times they don't like to agree. they're agreeing on this one. a lot of agreement in where this is going to be central coastal florida, that space coast, there's the european model. there's the american model. almost the exact same spot. so this afternoon, we finally had a lot of agreement and there's the forecast models, but like i said, anderson, in the last hour, it's going to make a lot of difference, and let's go to the floor and show you. it's going to make a lot of difference where exactly this is. even the smallest shifts to the west or to the east is going to make a huge impact because
hurricaine-force winds extend about 45 miles from the center, and so if this storm tracks a little bit farther to the west, you are going to have those dangerous category four winds onshore. if this tracks a little bit farther to the east, then those winds are going to be offshore and so you will have most likely tropical storm-force winds along the coast but those 120-plus-miles-per-hour winds will most likely stay offshore so that's why it is so important that if you are ordered to evacuate, you do so, because with the smallest little shift to the west, it could mean that now you are in that danger zone and you are going to experience those winds 130-plus-miles-per-hour where before you didn't quite think so. so that's why it's so important to evacuate if you are told to and definitely be on alert. anderson. >> a lot to watch for. jennifer gray, thank you. evacuations are already underway. in florida, georgia, north carolina, south carolina.
sara sidner joins us from florida's daytona beach with the latest. so are you already starting to feel the effects of matthew? >> reporter: we can definitely feel the winds. we can hear the surf. we know is that the surf is up. the surf is expected to go up to eight to 12 feet by sometime friday. when this thing gets closer and closer and closer. we already see the effect when is it comes to the population here. a lot of people have left. they have gone. we also checked into some of the stores and a lot of things are missing like gas canisters. can't find those anywhere. folks worried that the gas is going to run out so they're filling up their suvs and cars, they are also filling up canisters. we know the big pallets of water, can't find that. generators are gone. a wlot of people have evacuated. people are heeding the warning. there is not a mandatory evacuation yet here. we know the barrier highlands that have about 150,000 people, anderson, they have voluntary evacuates and they are heeding those. tomorrow they be come mandatory
and as you heard jennifer gray they are warning people again. say this is a monster storm. this is no joke. people are not being dramatic. officials are concerned if people stay behind when they're told to evacuate you are putting people who rescue others like firefighters and the police in danger and they do not want to do that. so they are telling everyone pay attention because obviously these storms can move and shift, but certainly there is a lot of concern here and we can see it in the streets 'cause this is a spring break town, there are usually a lot of tourists here. it's pretty dead tonight. >> all right, sara sidner, thank you, we'll be right back..
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the same way she did for the first one. we'll unfold sunday in st. louis, i'll be a moderator, along with martha raddatz. coverage gets underway at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. with barely a monday to go to election time, the stakes, they could not be higher. that does it for us. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. see you tomorrow. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we do begin with breaking news. our just-released poll with bad news for president obama on race. what will it mean in the hardest-fought election in years. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. i want you to take look at this. majority of americans, 54% giving the president a failing grade a race, up 11 points since june of 2015. and meanwhile, the next debate just four days away, here's what hillary clinton says tonight about the battle of the running mates. >> i thought tim did a great job and every time he tried to push mike pence to defend what donald