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the same way she did for the first one. we'll unfold sunday in st. louis, i'll be a moderator, along with martha raddatz. coverage gets underway at 4:00 p.m. eastern time. with barely a monday to go to election time, the stakes, they could not be higher. that does it for us. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. see you tomorrow. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. we do begin with breaking news. our just-released poll with bad news for president obama on race. what will it mean in the hardest-fought election in years. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. i want you to take look at this. majority of americans, 54% giving the president a failing grade a race, up 11 points since june of 2015. and meanwhile, the next debate just four days away, here's what hillary clinton says tonight about the battle of the running mates. >> i thought tim did a great job and every time he tried to push mike pence to defend what donald trump has said and done, pence
just bobbed and weaved, tried to get out of the way, because after all, trying to defend donald trump is an impossible task. >> the question is, will trump take a lesson from pence's debate performance? >> mike pence did an incredible job, and i'm getting a lot of credit because that's really my first so-called choice, my first hire as we would say in las vegas. >> all of this is happening with a massive storm bearing down on tens of millions of americans right now. we've got a lot to cover in this broadcast so let's get right to cnn's gloria borger and dana bash, and frank cess november george washington university. good to have you back on. dana, i want to talk to you. you just heard trump praising mike pence. the consensus was pence came out on top if you look at the polls we can from watchers. what was your take to this debate? >> there's no question that pence had the smoothest
performance. he stayed calm. i know just from reporting going into the debate that he tried incredibly hard with his team, worked really for months, on being the kind of performer that he was last night, staying calm, not getting excited, not taking the bait to use the term that we're using over and over again to describe what donald trump did last week. but at the same time, he definitely showed some daylight between himself and donald trump, not just on rhetorical issues and how they describe things very differently, but on policy issues and questions. that was tim kaine's goal going in, to show that daylight, to make the case that even his running mate doesn't agree with everything he says, so in that sense, tim kaine did well but even kaine today is saying that he maybe could have lost one or two or ten interruptions along the way.
>> he said even his own wife dinged him. we'll talk about that a little bit more. frank i want to bring you in. i want to talk about -- mike pence was confronted with many of the things that donald trump said, and he denied them. take a look at this. >> donald trump, during this campaign has called mexicans rapists and criminals. >> he also said many of them are good people you keep leaving that out of your quote. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists and some, i assume are good people. >> governor pence said inarguably, vladimir putin is a better leader than president obama. >> that's absolutely inaccurate. >> i think it's inarguable vladimir putin has been a stronger leader than barack obama has been in this country. >> i think putin has been a very strong leader for russia. he's been a lot stronger than our leader i can tell you. >> donald trump and i would never support legislation that punished women who made the heart-breaking choice to end a pregnancy. >> then why did donald trump say that.
>> do you believe in punish men for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> there has to be some form of punishment? >> yeah. >> for the women? >> they want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people. >> that's nonsense. >> that's nonsense. >> are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force. >> so, was he trying to reinvent his running mate and is that going to work clearly when things are out there he said. >> isn't that stuff just damaging? don't you just hate that when you can play it back? look what he was trying to do yesterday was be the anti-trump, do just what he was hired do, be the grown up in the room and be the man are the political experience, the political professional. his tactic was to shrug it off, to pretend it didn't exist and what that material shows is that did it exist. you can't walk away from it. that's their problem. now, some of those positions
that you have trump stating, he later changed. >> right. >> and so there's enough -- >> the deportation force. >> and on the abortion topic. >> i'm surprised kaine didn't say anything when he said many of them -- he didn't say many of them. >> he said some, i assume. >> i assume. and that has a very different take than what pence was doing. pence was trying to rewrite the first draft of history a little bit. that was part of his job to calm everything down and he did that. he sounded presidential -- or vice presidential. >> he was more calming, gloria, do you -- i guess you should admit than donald trump. there are some twitter users speculating we may see a tense pence 2020? >> or maybe 2024 if he becomes vice president this time. i think there are lots of republicans who are conservatives who think about what happens to the republican party if donald trump doesn't win, and what they were looking at last night, was a potential
republican nominee who is conservative. their republicans i talked to today said for the first time during this presidential race since the primaries, they've actually heard somebody talk about muscular foreign policy, for example, conservatives social issues. >> too far to the right when you consider a stance in abortion on gay rights, and marriage? >> he is far to the right. he absolutely is far to the right. he's a conservative and those feel they're not represented by donald trump. >> except he absolutely was talking about things that were music -- it was music to a lot of conservative's ears. >> absolutely. >> but the muscular foreign policy is a great example. he was talking about air strikes in syria. that's sort of all well and good but that's not the policy of the guy at the top of the ticket, which is a little bit of a problem. >> and the position on abortion. the conversation on abortion was a very thoughtful, substantive, heart-felt conversation and that was clearly pence talking to the
base of what the base wants to hear. it was a very interesting exchange. >> pence did a lot of good. when he didn't want to talk about some of the things donald trump had said, he just deflected it because he didn't want to defend it. for a lot of those things there is no defense and what's the point of going down a rabbit hole in he went to places he wanted to go, as a conservative republican including on syria, including on abortion, and that was music to a lot of republicans' ears. >> let me ask you, dana, and we'll followup on that a bit more. sources close to the campaign
said donald trump wasn't happy with how pence defended or didn't defend him. how do you think donald trump feels about his debate performance, versus his running mate's performance? >> my sense is that initial reaction was, oh, wow, mike pence did really well because his performance was quite good. then, he -- as he's wanted to do, watched a lot of the analysis, talking about how, wait a minute, mike pence didn't defend donald trump and did sidestep a lot of the controversies, maybe rewrote some of them, and it was like wait a minute is that what he's supposed to do? i put him on the ticket, remember? but my sense after that is that enough people got to trump and said -- to frank's point, this is what you wanted pence on the ticket for. you wanted him on the ticket to soften things, to appeal to conservatives when you need to to look presidential and make people think oh, well, not really sure about donald trump, but if i go there, he will have an adult in the room. so, after that, the thing that you heard from donald trump on the campaign trail was a full-throated, and only the way
donald trump can say, he had the best vice presidential debate in the history of all mankind. and i picked him and i'm great for picking him. >> pence really went out there last night with two jobs. job one was to do no harm to his candidate and deflect and kind of deflect the narrative and kind of deal with the media noise out there. but job two was to protect his own reputation and his own future. i mean after all, donald trump builds buildings on the sides. mike pence is a politician first and foremost. he has that reputation and future and i heard a lot of that in his commends and his whole tone. yes, defending his boss and trying to explain away or ignore some of the things that have been making noise but also that connecting with the base and showing himself to be that professional grown up. >> what about people who don't want a politician, who saying we want an outsider? because this has been the year or the 14 months of outsider. >> wait until sunday. >> gloria?
>> i want to say tim kaine did the exact opposite of what mike pence did. tim kaine was not there to save himself for the next election. tim kaine was there to defend hillary clinton and maybe he did it a little too aggressively at times, but even in our poll afterwards, people thought that pence won the debate, but they also gave kaine an awful lot of credit. more people gave kaine credit for defending the person at the top of the ticket -- for defending the person at the top of the ticket than pence because guess what, kaine defended the person at the top of the ticket and pence did not always do that. >> we're going to talk about what happens, how is donald trump preparing for the next debate, is he preparing, and also there's new poll out from ohio that may surprise a lot of people. we'll discuss that when we come right back.
participating in a town hall tomorrow. back with me now, gloria borger, dana bash, and frank sesno. there is a new monmouth university poll out that shows hillary clinton with a lead among likely voters, 44% to 42% for donald trump. it's just one poll? what do you attribute this to? was this a bad week? he was ahead. >> yeah, look i think in -- there have been more than two dozen polls taken since the last presidential debate in battleground states and hillary clinton's gone up in every single one of them except maybe one. she's leading except for this one and i think it shows that when these debates matter, and that when you rise in the polls nationally, the battleground states follow eventually and i think that's what we're seeing going on nationally. this was supposed to be a very good state for donald trump. we don't know if this is an outlier or not at this point. we should say another debate coming up on sunday.
but it shows what you the stakes are. i mean, ohio and iowa have been two states that have been very kind of solid for donald trump and you know if i were in the trump campaign now i'd be looking at this and i'd be worried about it. >> dana what's the preparation process from donald trump right now? what do you know? >> well, for sunday's debate, the first thing he's going to do is go to new hampshire tomorrow night and have a scrimmage, as one source put it to me, a town hall in public, the press is going to be there with voters who are going to come and ask questions. it's going to be an intimate setting actually arranged by his friend chris christie, who had been in the debate prep process before the first debate but this is something that his team hopes will allow him to remind himself what it's like to not only be in an intimate setting and not a big rally, but having to face the voters, have a voter ask a
question, figure out how to approach that voter, maybe address them by name, have a little bit of a dialogue with them. so it's a bit of a test run there. but the question that i've been asking, everybody i think has been asking, is whether or not he is going to revert to the more traditional debate prep that his running mate mike pence did so successfully, with the mock debate situation, a moderator, somebody who's playing his opponent. this answer i was given again tonight is no. he is going to clear his schedule on friday to have more small intimate discussions in trump tower but not that mock debate. and he's actually going to go on the campaign trail on saturday to wisconsin to have a big rally there. so not a big, big change except for what he's going to do tomorrow night. >> a couple things to you, first frank. everyone is wondering which donald trump is going to show up. he said i could have hit her with something that's very hard
but her daughter is sitting there and her family. which trump is going to show? do you think it will get to that level? >> who knows. i have a very simple response to your question about ohio. the reason is alec baldwin. all alec baldwin's fault. we look at media and if you look at what trump has endured, and to your question, which donald trump is going to show up, editorial pages, front pages, op ed pages, shows like this, the media environment for donald trump has been miserable for the last week plus since the debate and if numbers hadn't slipped you'd say what is going on here. so the trump who shows up -- what is he thinking is the question? is he thinking i need to on aggressive and turn up the heat or i do need to tone it down and reassure people? it's story time in st. louis. town hall meetings, that's what gloria was talking about,
these are real people. someone's going to stand up and say i lost my brother in iraq or my business went under, and he's going to need to respond, so is hillary by the way to real people with real stories, with real problems. they're supposed to be undecided voters. i don't know the how you find a room of undecide voters. that's going to be fascinating. >> go ahead, gloria. >> trump likes the big rallies. he gets his energy from the large crowds and he looks speaking before these huge audiences. >> and there's no opponent in the scrimmage, dana. it's just him, right? >> that's a good question. i'm told it hasn't been decided. sorry, there is no opponent. >> there's moderator. >> they may put a moderator with him tomorrow, they haven't decided. >> go ahead, gloria. >> this isn't a comfortable turf for him. the bigger crowds ironically are more comfortable for him. the smaller settings is the way hillary clinton started out this
campaign and she knows how to talk to those voters one-on-one. she knows how to and them more questions after their question, or to thank them for their questions. donald trump, what we've seen in these -- in a lot of these town-hall settings is he'll turn to the moderator and answer the participant's question and turn to the moderator and answer it. what he needs to do is make this one to one contact which if he'd been doing a lot of retail politicking the way we are used to in a lot of presidential campaigns, he might be more comfortable with it. i call john kasich the king of town hall. 's all john kasich did, over 100 taun halls in new hampshire alone. that's not the way donald trump modeled his campaign, so there is a bit of a learning curve here for him and we have to see -- we're going to all be watching, let's face it, how he does tomorrow. >> hey, dana, this is the moment after had you with eric trump, after he lost a billion dollars in 1995 that he hadn't paid any taxes, according to the "new
york times" -- >> his father did. >> -- so you asked eric trump about this. after the debate last night. and i'm going to play this. >> has your father paid taxes in. >> we pay a tremendous amount of taxes. >> federal income taxes. >> yes. >> yes? >> and beyond taxes we employ tens and tens of thousands of people the difference of my father and hillary clinton, hillary clinton has lived off the government -- her entire life. she has never created a single job. >> eric, my question is has he paid federal income taxes over the last 18 years. yes or no. >> of course. absolutely. we father has paid a tremendous amount of tax. we, as a company have paid a tremendous amount of tax. >> if we ever see your father's income taxes the it will show he has paid federal income taxes? >> there's no question about it, we pay tremendous taxes -- >> dana, thank you so much. it happens to me every night. you just want the answer to the question and you did a brilliant job. it's like wrestling an alligator.
is this issue going away? >> no, it's not going away and i don't think it will go away, the questions about it, until we see his tax returns and i am not holding my breath about seeing them between now and 33, 34 days from now, when election day comes. it's just -- it's not going to happen. they don't feel compelled to and i think they think we're all making a big deal out of something for nothing, but the clinton campaign has data they show that feels they're on to something. >> and they keep hitting it. you're right so they think they've got something there. >> thank you, frank, dana, gloria. the vp candidates mike pence and tim kaine will be on "new day" tomorrow on cnn. it starts at 6:00 a.m. chris cuomo, and alison up next. donald trump using president ronald reagan's image to raise money for his campaign. how does the president's son, michael reagan feel about that? i'll and next.
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let's discuss the son of michael reagan and the author of "lessons my father taught me." always a pleasure to have you, sir, thank you for coming. >> good to be with you. what did you think of last night's presidential debate? how did it compare with the slin/trump debate. >> i think it was the best debate we've seen so far. there's one coming up sunday but last night's debate had substance in it. i agree with many conservatives, even liberals mike pence won the debate, because basically his demeanor. the calm, cool, collected demeanor, showed very well for him. did it move anybody? no, it didn't move anybody to say i'm going to vote for donald trump, or kaine moved anybody to say i'm going to vote for hillary. they usually do not, but it was a nice debate. >> if you watched any honest person could see who won regardless of your ideology. does it bother you mike pence denied many of the things donald trump has said? is that okay with you? >> i understand where he's
coming from because in many of the things that donald trump has said, he can't defend them, so he's got to find a way around them, which you do in debates. >> and you do that by ignoring them? >> by pivoting and moving to another area that you can talk about because you can't defend many of the things that he said. he did a brilliant job doing that where donald trump got caught every time in the debate he had with hillary clinton a week ago. >> uh-huh. you were fired up on twitter on sunday night. you have to read some of them. you said no way, would i, or would my father support this garbage trump on clinton. i don't think she's loyal to bill. and the second one you said i'm glad my father is not alive to watch this. he'd say vote the down ticket to stop hillary. my father would not support this campaign if this is what the republican party wants. leave us reagans out. nancy would vote for hrc. that's after saturday night's rally where donald trump went
way off script. now that you've cooled down, do you feel the same way? >> i do feel in many ways the same way. i'm offended when somebody uses my father's name, wraps themselves in my father, and then goes out and says the things that in fact he says when he goes off script and somebody's got to stop and say wait a minute, that's just not right to do that at all, and what i said about nancy voting for hrc, listen, donald trump hasn't been a whole lot for women during the last -- this campaign since he joined a year ago, june and he's not doing anything to bring women on board and to make fun of hillary tripping into a car, when she was ill with pneumonia is really off the page and to make mention and infer that she would in fact cheat or has cheated on bill and say who can blame her, really was and i write about things of this nature in my book, "lessons my father taught me," that's one of the lessons my father taught
me when we were talking about john f. kennedy and the affairs he was having and i asked my father. should richard nixon even talk about these things at all? should the rnc show the pictures they have of john kennedy going into hotel rooms with other women? he said no that's not an issue for a campaign. the issue of the campaign are you qualified to be president of the united states, not if you're qualified to be a good husband or good wife. >> what would you have conservatives do? what would you have republicans do then because you're saying -- you're saying that nancy reagan would vote for hillary. would you tell republicans to vote for hillary clinton? >> no, i would tell republicans to vote their conscious, vote who they want to vote for, just -- i'm trying to protect the reagan legacy and who we are, and this family. >> got it. >> and this family's name's being dropped all over the place every single day and inferring ronald reagan would support these things and nancy reagan
would support these things. and i have to say no, they wouldn't support this kind of a campaign, not at all. not the demean iing nature of te the campaign and the name-calling that's going on. if you want to do it, do it in somebody else's name. >> on monday, the trump campaign announced it would be giving away a reagan print to donors. how do you feel about donald trump using your father's image to fund raise? >> again we're back to that. we didn't give out pictures of abraham lincoln during the campaign of my father. we gave those photographed pictures of my dad in a cowboy hat which was terrific to raise money. i would suggest trump give out photographs of himself getting on his plane or in his plane. it's he who is running for the presidency of the united states, not my father, and that might be a great photo for people who are 60 and older who remember ronald reagan, but i would guess most of them already have a photo of my father. >> i'm not 60 and i remember ronald reagan. but let me -- listen --
>> would you like a photo of my father? i'll send you one. >> yes, please send me one. this is what donald trump wrote in his book about your father, the art of the deal, which was co-written about tony schwartz. he says ronald reagan is another example. he's so smooth and so effective a performer that he completely won over the american people. only now nearly seven years later are people beginning to question whether there's anything beneath that smile. he also took a full-page ad out critiquing your father's foreign policy, so why all the praise towards your dad now? >> yeah, you tell me. because he's the last man standing at this point in time and the republicans want to take back -- i'd love to take back the white house but take it back in the right way, that's why i say the down ticket is very important to vote the down ticket if you want to protect yourself against hillary and some of the choices that she'll make. i mean, he is a salesman.
think of it this way. he is a salesman. what does a salesman do? he tells you what you want to hear at the moment to sell you the goods he's trying to sell you so you have to look and say okay who is donald trump? and i don't think we've found out any more than he's still that salesman that's out there. hey, i would have loved for him to call me and say give me some insight after all you were around during many of the races your dad ran, you were there as an advisor to your father. give me some insight but everybody wants on to have my name and use the reagan name instead of the reagan information we have to be able to share to help somebody get elected to anything, whether it's the house, the senate or the presidency. >> what do you think he's selling? >> he's trying to sell a bill of goods to get into the white house as the president of the united states of america. but don't do it by demeaning people. what bothers me -- and i'm sure you have heard this before. it doesn't bother me what he says.
i expect it from donald trump. what bothers me is the applause he gets after he says it. when he demeans hillary clinton and says that you know she may be cheating on bill and he gets a laughter and applause that bothers me. who are these people in that room who think that's funny or in fact want to applaud it and believe that it might be true? that should concern me and concern the republican party that in fact is this the direction we're going. if that's the direction the republican party's going, fine, but leave the reagans out of it. >> michael reagan. thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back, bad news for president barack obama, why a majority of americans give the president a failing grade on race in our brand-new poll.
blacks and whites in the u.s. have worsened under president obama. 57% whites and 40% blacks, so to put that into perspective, don, after the racially motivated shooting at a black church in charlest charleston, south carolina, last summer, 43% said race relations had gotten worse so that number sparked more than ten points since then and this poll also shows an increasing number of americans say that discrimination against blacks is a very serious problem and concerns about bias in the criminal justice system remains widespread. a majority 52% says the criminal justice system in the u.s. favors whites over blacks. and the results show about three quarters of blacks and half of whites feel the system favors whites despite criminal justice reform efforts by the department of justice and president obama. don? >> what did the polls show about how the police feel about the
recent shooting with unarmed black men? >> the polls showed few see their local police prejudice against blacks but there are distinction differences between those who live in rural areas versus urban areas. in rural areas, only 18% say some of their local police are prejudice against blacks, and dips to 13% among whites. 25% of those who live in urban areas see some of their local police as prejudice compared to 10% among those in rural areas. in general a majority of americans, 86% view police favorably tonight, don. >> pamela brown, appreciate that. i want to bring in our cnn political contributor, van jones, harrison, and angela rye, former executive director of the black caucus. van, you first. this is not the legacy really
that president obama wanted. you work with him. why do you think that these large numbers of americans, white and black, think race relations are work under his -- worse under his presidency? >> it's interesting because i think there was a hope on everybody's part many were hoping this would prevent a breakthrough. the majority of white americans believe it or not believe it or not voted against president obama. we feel the majority of white americans even in california where i am voted against obama. not only for racial reasons, you know, whites have been voting more for republicans than for democrats for sometime, but we sometimes pretend, we all elect a black president, therefore we are all past race when, whites in almost every state voted against the president. number two, there was a big, big hope among all people that we would be able to do better and then i think when you saw that, wall of obstruction come down from republicans and we wound out from the gridlock, both
sides i think got very frustrated, and americans got frust rate with the lack of progress and some white americans got frustrated with seeing an african-american president, and we are still hearing black complaints, and we wound up where here. both sides have to take responsibility, and republicans to only blame obama when they've done so little to help the issue is unfair. >> paris, do you agree with that? >> i disagree to say that republicans have not done anything to help solve the issues or address this. look, there's many organizations like right on crime, on likely sources like the koch foundation and the charles koch and the grover norquest, strong republicans coming together to address the issue of criminal justice reform so there are a lot of republicans concerned about the issue and genuinely concerned about the plight of a lot of african-americans in urban centers such as chicago
and have put good-faith efforts to propose solutions to these issues. i do say that there was a lot of anticipation that president obama was going to be able to lead the country in a direction of more reconciliation and healing but unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, many outside of his control that did not take place. and i think it was a disservice to the black community who really came out to vote for him both times in the first election and the re-election, in and what he did in hbcus, in terms of cutting funding to determine the $85 million when he came in, and the parent-plus loan issue, so that is not something that is going to be a positive legacy as it relates to what he's done with the black community. so it's unfortunate but we have to move forward and i think that there are many people on the hill on both sides of the aisle who want to see this change. >> angela? >> so a couple things. first i want to address two of paris' points, one was as it relates specifically to chicago.
what's been frustrating to me, don, throughout the duration of this election cycle, the way in which schoij used as some -- chicago is used as some sort of a political football -- paris i recognize you're conservative. >> and a black one. >> and a black one, and talk about chicago until it comes to police brutality and excessive force against black bodies that. is kind of frustrating to me. the other thing that's interesting is paris mentioned criminal justice reform by the koch brothers and paris you're right they have poured all the way into this and it's been stagnant on the hill. but we must realize why the koch brothers are excited about cj reform. it doesn't have anything to do with black people. it has everything to do with the sentencing of folks who commit white collar crime are receiving so we'd be remiss if we didn't recognize that. on to the poll, don, the thing
that's important for us to do, when we're talking about these kind of numbers is we can't lay this race relations issue at the feet of the president solely. what's interesting about the numbers increasing since last june as pamela pointed out is there's been someone who is new to the scene and that's donald trump. i don't want to put everything in his feet either but i have to say to you that rhetoric from his campaign, this entire time has been so divisive and it has everything to do with how we are now relating to each other. that's not how president obama spoke when he talked for first time at the democratic national convention in 2004, that's not how he ran in 2008, and certainly not 2012. it's not the justice department that works under his purview. nobody acts like that. that's a donald trump issue. we did hope things would get better after the dylann roof shooting but they worsened. is that has lot to do with his rhetoric. >> we'll continue to discuss. be right back. er 60 sheets of drywall into my mercedes-benz metris.
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zb zblb. >> do you believe people are implicitly biassed against people? >> i think implicit bias is a problem for all people, not just police. unfortunately, too many of us in our great country jump to conclusions about each other. >> now, it's being used on the campaign trail by republicans or donald trump supporters to say that she's saying that all police officers are racist or people are racist, but -- and many people criticized her for this but isn't it better if you admit you have biases and confront them directly instead of denying that it exists? >> i mean look i think a lot of people are not too pleased with second clinton's remarks because they would have hoped she would have said no i don't think that emphatically, i don't think that police officers are all racist or they all have implicit bias. >> paris that wasn't the question. the question was do you think that -- it wasn't whether police officers were racist. the question during the debate was about implicit bias and police officers part of the general population, you don't
think the population in general has implicit bias? why would police officers? >> it was a moment for her to be presidential and to set the record straight on how she stood as it related to how she felt about police officers and whether or not this underlining tone was if they were racist. when we look at the rhetoric, it was unfortunate for tim kaine to go to hbcu and talk about kkk values. unfortunately, the clinton campaign continues to insert race into this -- into the dialogue, but one of the things we have to remember is that we can -- yes they continue to insert race when it's convenient to them. let me make this last point -- >> you're inserting race here. no one has said anything about implicit bias being racist. you're making that point. that has nothing to do with what the moderator said or hillary clinton said. she didn't say people were racist.
she said people had implicit bias and police officers would have implicit bias because they're part of the population, as well. >> one of the things that's so interesting is as this conversation goes on, some people just respond to the word "bias," when they hear "bias," they hear all police officers are racism -- >> do you hear something positive? >> hold on a second, sir, i'm going someplace. give me a second. so what they hear is the word "bias", and they keep going, oh, my gosh, hillary clinton thinks police officers hate all black people. the most important thing she said is implicit, which means unconscious bias, the kind of bias that sneaks up you on and surprises you sometimes and that i think was very good because most of us in our conscious mind we don't want to be biased, but or be overweight, but we still eat donuts.
we have to recognize our conscious mind is different than how we show up. >> and implicit bias shows up between african-americans that they feel uncomfortable if there's a young black person following them on the street it. doesn't make them racist against other black americans, it means they are a victim of implicit bias, as well. >> sure. i didn't come here for a lesson on implicit bias. >> if you would answer the questions and not be disingenuous and answer the question -- >> i take issue to say i was being disingenuous. i was explaining some people have an issue how secretary clinton answered the question, they would have hoped she would have clarified her comments. >> don, can i get -- >> hold on, angela. i'm talking to paris here. that wasn't my question to you. you answered the question with an immediate pivot. you didn't answer the question directly and you brought racism into it, which implicit bias does not necessarily mean racism. that's why i'm telling you i think that you're being
disingenuous. you can come onto make a political point, but it's incumbent to be honest with the viewer. >> and i take offense to you saying i'm not being honest. this is an issue that's very important no i'm very concern about our community and the bigger issue is we continue to make political point business this and not reflect about what we need to do as individuals to help solve these issues. we as individuals, you cannot legislate love, you cannot legislate people to be caring. you have to do something on your own in each community and each family to try to fix this issue. you can't lay everything at the blame of president obama, you can't lay everything at the blame of donald trump. >> in the essence of my question was, should you continue to deny it or should you admit it so you can confront it and move on. that was the impetus of my question, which now you seem to be saying that, that wasn't your original answer. >> my original answer was about secretary clinton and her
response about how people responded to it because that's what the question was about, was about secretary clinton's debate. >> i can just -- >> hang on. i said she had been criticized for it but wasn't it better to admit it and confront it directly and you went on to pivot about politics. >> i went on to pivot to talk about why she was criticize body it. >> go ahead, angela. >> so in the hopes of making this more humane, paris, to your point, we all have implicit bias. i often use an example when a police officer is behind me in a car, no lights on, just behind me. my heart starts pounding and that is implicit bias on my part they think i might get pulled over and it may go left. why? because there are video, people's experiences they grew up with where there was rodney king, where fear was taught because we don't have positive interactions with police
officers that often. we had a show this year where you asked us to talk about our implicit bias. we are human beings. some of them are more dangerous than others. when there is power that you can yurz bias to exploit, that is where we have a problem. to me, it was presidential for hillary clinton to acknowledge that implicit bias is real, alive and a problem in america. >> van i want to look at polling, too, because the black lives matter show only 18% of americans have favorable view of this. why is that? >> that's one of the big tragedies. we mentioned there are republicans who are working on some issues that are important like criminal justice reform and i've got a chance to closely work with some of these groups and i've been surprised it hasn't just been the white
collar issues or the economic issues. there have been issues moved and transformed by the fullness of this problem. that's something good to hold up and yet you do see this level of comfort about talking about race, talking about the racial legacy and the way that continues to move forward today. and i think it's bad for republicans not to be able to be more comfortable talking about these issues and more embracing. those young black lives matter. folks, they are saying black lives matter, too. they're not saying somebody else's live doesn't matter. >> go ahead. i've got to go, finish your point. >> okay when they say blue lives matter, they don't mean firefighters lives don't matter and bus drivers lives don't matter. my only point is i think the best of this generation, these young actors trying to make a difference should be met with open arms by republicans who also say they want to solve the problem. >> thank you, panel. i appreciate it. millions of americans forced to leave their homes as what may be the worst hurricane in years takes aim at florida, we'll discuss that.