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happening now, breaking news. complete chaos. in a show of defiance, donald trump greets supporters while the republican party goes into meltdown over his stunningly vulgar and sexually aggressive remarks. as gop lawmakers abandon their nominee, there are growing calls for him to drop out. not backing down. trump says there is zero chance he'll quit the race and even his video statement of regret shows a willingness to fight as he quickly turns to attacking hillary clinton over his husband's sex scandals. even more audio. cnn uncovers more shocking comments from donald trump, crude and demeaning conversations about women, including his own daughter, that aired over a 17-year period on shock jock howard stern's radio show. welcome to this special edition of "cnn newsroom," america's choice 2016. i'm wolf blitzer coming to you
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live tonight from washington university in st. louis, missouri, where tomorrow night donald trump and hillary clinton will face off in their second debate. but let's get to the breaking news right now. a defiant donald trump popped out of trump tower today waving to cheering supporters while fellow republicans are reeling from his lewd and sexually aggressive remarks which surfaced a day earlier. there are growing calls for trump to step down. senator john mccain leads a growing list of lawmakers who are abandoning their nominee. trump's wife, melania, calls his words unacceptable and offensive. running mate mike pence says he too is offended, adding trump will have the chance to show what's in his heart when he goes before the nation in tomorrow night's debate right here on cnn at 9:00 p.m. eastern. sources say hillary clinton is holding her fire until the debate gets under way. and late last night, trump did issue a statement of regret. >> i have never said i'm a
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perfect person nor pretended to be someone that i'm not. i've said and done things i regret and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who i am. i said it, i was wrong, and i apologize. >> but at the same time, trump dismissed the controversy as a distraction and his apology has done little to limit the damage from that tape. listen once again to this shocking excerpt. we must warn you, it is quite graphic. >> yeah, that's her, with the gold. >> i'm going to use some ti tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- it's like a magnet, kiss, kiss. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the -- do anything. >> we begin with our national politics reporter outside trump
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tower in new york. donald trump has made a brief appearance there, drawing cheers m.j. describe that scene for us. >> reporter: well, wolf, this has certainly been a very tumultuous day for the trump campaign, but maybe the most surprising development was when donald trump himself stepped outside of trump tower to greet his supporters. the best comparison, i can think of, was a rock star stepping out onto the stage to greet his fans at a rock concert. dozens of supporters gathered outside breaking out into cheers and chants when he came outside. even on a day like today when the campaign is in full crisis mode, donald trump showing that he is at heart still a tv celebrity and a showman. now, of course, as you mentioned he was very defiant when he was asked whether he will leave the race -- or whether he will stay in the race, rather. he responded 100%. now, even though donald trump did put on a happy face, no doubt about it that donald trump has had a very rough day today on the campaign with a flood of
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republicans rescinding their endorsement of donald trump and even saying that he should leave the presidential race. and maybe the most devastating statements came from those closest to him, both his running mate, mike pence, and his own wife, melania trump, putting out statements condemning his comments caught in this video in the harshest terms possible. just a little while ago, wolf, we did see rudy giuliani, one of donald trump's top supporters, leaving trump tower and he did take some questions. here is what he had to say. >> will he be staying in the race? >> of course. he's going to win. >> will he show up at the debate tomorrow? will he be at the debate tomorrow? >> of course he'll be at the debate tomorrow. >> is there anything that can happen now that would convince you that he should drop out? >> there is nothing that is going to cause his dropping out. that's a wishful thinking of the clinton campaign and those people who have opposed him for a long time. he's in the race to win and he is going to win.
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>> what do you make of so many fellow republicans backing out from supporting him? >> they largely didn't support him in the first place so it's not so much of a surprise. as you look at it, there were more republicans who opposed him and didn't support him in the past. this is basically the insiders against the outsiders anyway. donald trump is the populist candidate. most of the people that have turned on him are members of the establishment. so i would see this as if you want change in washington, you vote for donald trump. if you want to keep things the same, you vote for hillary clinton. >> thank you very much, mr. mayor. >> reporter: as you can see there, no signs of caving to the pressure from donald trump or his advisers. and a very dramatic day here at trump tower seems to be winding down. wolf? >> m.j. lee over at trump tower, thank you. the gop is in meltdown tonight as lawmakers rescind their endorsements of donald trump. many republicans are calling on their nominee to drop out of the
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race just 31 days before election day. joining us now, our chief political correspondent, dana bash, and cnn political director, david chalian. this has been an astonishing 24 hours. how extensive is the fallout? >> well, let's begin to answer that question just by giving some meat on the poen bone to w m.j. was talking about. the statements starting with his wife and then to his running mate. starting with melania. let me read to you what she said. the words my husband used are unacceptable and offensive to me. this does not represent the man i know. he has the heart and mind of a leader. i hope people will accept his apology as i have and focus on the important issues fatesing our nation and the world. now, that is an important statement given the moment where he was not only married to her but also said she wouldn't mind when she was being inappropriate with the woman on the set there. and let's talk about his running mate, mike pence. he released this statement
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today. as a husband and father, i was offended by the words and actions described by donald trump in the 11-year-old video released yesterday. i do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them. i am grateful that he has expressed remorse and apologized to the american people. we pray for his family and look forward to the opportunity he has to show what is in his heart when he goes before the nation tomorrow night. now, that is his public statement. in private, i am told that he got donald trump on the phone and said to him, i can't be your representative today on the campaign trail. he was supposed to go to wisconsin to appear on donald trump's behalf because donald trump was disinvited by the house speaker at this annual unity event in wisconsin, and that pence said to trump, you know what, i can't do it because only you can be your own voice right now. and so he pulled back. the way i've described it is you're on your own. i'm not touching this anymore. he's doing a fund-raiser today,
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but besides that, they are -- people around mike pence are trying to protect him as much as possible after he has put a lot on the line. obviously he got an opportunity to be on the presidential ticket but put a lot on the line with conservatives saying this guy is okay, especially in private to a lot of skeptics. >> 24 hours ago when this story broke, you went on the air, you were on my show. you said this is an extraordinary moment and if anything, it's turned out to be really, really extraordinary. >> without a doubt. so what donaana was just saying the astonishing thing is mike pence's joel job as running mate is to represent the nominee. that's the description of the job when you're a nominee on the campaign trail. so he refused to do his job of what he was assigned to do because this was a bridge too far. you earlier mention it when we started the show, wolf, john mccain's statement. you now have the three last republican presidential nominees in mitt romney, john mccain and
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george w. bush not publicly supporting the current republican nominee. now, rudy giuliani has a point that a lot of the voices that we're hearing have been opposed to donald trump's candidacy. but what that is missing is that donald trump, his mission was not only to get his base core voters that were with him in the primary to turn out, his core mission was also to start bringing the republican party, many of whom supported lots of different candidates throughout the primary, together around his candidacy and so even though someone like mitt romney may have been opposed all along, when you see the totality of people in the party that are now saying this is no longer the person that should be representing the party, this is not the nominee that we should have, the totality of it makes it much more difficult, much more difficult for donald trump to stitch together the coalition of voters he needs in order to win. >> it's an exodus. it's been an exodus today. not everybody has left him, but a lot of people have who were --
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some were holding their nose, but others weren't. we've said so many times during 2016 oh, my gosh, we haven't seen this before. this really is unprecedented and it's hard to describe the sense and the moment of chaos within the republican party over the past 24 hours. absolute chaos. >> the republican national committee, we haven't exactly seen the chairman, reince priebus, the chief strategist, sean spicer, rush to television cameras to defend the nominee, have we? >> just the opposite. reince priebus has cancelled his television appearances for tomorrow morning and so has his spokesman. our understanding is he's not going out either. there has been a pause button put on the rnc, both when it comes to public support in trying to explain anything about the trump campaign and push the idea that donald trump should be president, and also in terms of the coordination between the two. donald trump is a very unusual nominee in that he has been
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relying heavily on the rnc, its money and more importantly -- >> entirely. >> almost entirely, for its organization to get out the vote, mail and so forth. they have put a pause on that. mark preston was reporting on this earlier and they're going to do that until after the debate for lots of reasons, but mostly because they're not sure what to do. it's a holding pattern. >> stand by. we'll have much more of our coverage coming up. right now i want to go to a senior advisor to the trump campaign, former congressman jack kingston. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. tell us why you still stand behind donald trump. >> well, number one, i think the next couple days will be important. i think that his apology last night was very important. melania's statement today was important. and the fact that tomorrow night he's going to have an opportunity to address this in front of the american people and tie it in with why he feels contrition from something that happened ten years ago. so i think one of the messages
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that i've been saying to fellow republicans is sit tight, give this thing a few days before you jump ship. you know, as you know, politicians are risk adverse and they don't always listen to you. but, wolf, let me say this. as i sit down and make a list of what i care about, certainly family values is one of them, but so is the economy, so is immigration security, so is national security, and particularly the supreme court. the next president of the united states is going to be able to nominate two to four members of the supreme court. and if my fellow republicans don't realize that a vote against donald trump is a vote for somebody on the supreme court who's probably going to be maybe pro abortion, maybe anti-gun or want to close guantanamo bay, many, many other issues that are decided by the supreme court. 5-4 vote so this is a real important -- >> congressman, i understand
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what you're saying. you're very loyal to donald trump. but take a look. we're going to put up on the screen a whole list of members of -- all republicans, members of congress, senators, governors, who in the past 24 hours as a result of this leaked videotape have abandoned the republican nominee. it's a much bigger list than we're even showing right now, but they are really quickly, almost every few minutes, another member of congress, another senator, they come out and say they can no longer support -- >> hi, everyone. it looks like we're having some technical difficulties. we'll be back with wolf in just one moechlment. we'll take a quick break and be back live from washington university. stay with us. home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else,
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welcome back. we're here at washington university in st. louis. we're talking with former republican congressman jack kingston. he's a donald trump supporter. congressman, thanks once again for joining us. i want to get your reaction to the fact that right now every republican senator, female
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republican senator i should say, has withdrawn their support for donald trump. joni ernst of iowa has condemned trump but not necessarily withdrawn her support. are they wrong? >> i think they should condemn him. they have absolutely a right to criticize these horrible comments. but also as someone who won the nominee fair and square and someone who is closer to their values when it comes to the supreme court, national security, economic and immigration security, i think they all owe it to themselves to sit down and talk this thing out. right now they need to hold off on making any big decisions, sit down with him in the next few days, air it out, let's discuss this within the family behind closed doors. >> let me interrupt, congressman, for a second. i take it you personally were also repulsed by what you heard
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on that individuvideotape? >> yes, i'm the father of two girls, a brother of three sisters and i think they are indefensible. however, i do want to emphasize that while i don't share any of those comments, when it comes to the economy, when it comes to national security, the supreme court nominations, i think donald trump is far closer to what every republican believes than what hillary clinton believes. >> the former secretary of state, condoleezza rice, has been very, very silent throughout this entire campaign, but tonight she issued this statement. i'll put it up on the screen. enough! donald trump should not be president. he should withdraw. as a republican, i hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth. she's saying flatly this man, donald trump, should not be president after stay sewing
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ominously silent all these months. your reaction. >> mechanically people have already voted, overseas ballots have already been sent. ballots in each state and every county have already been printed. so when i hear republicans say he should step out and let somebody else run, basically they're throwing in the towel and saying it's all over with. so i just think from a practical standpoint he is the nominee. we need to work to make sure he's a better nominee. we need to feel that contrition. we need to feel the sincerity of the apology and then say, you know, then make the decision. and that's what i hope people would do rather than the heat of a media frenzy over a weekend. >> jack kingston, the former republican congressman, a strong supporter of donald trump, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. despite the rapidly growing list of top republicans
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demanding that trump quit the presidential race, trump insists there is no way he is dropping out. our special correspondent, jamie gangel, has been working her sources for us. jamie, what are members of the republican establishment telling you? >> reporter: we reached out, wolf, to a wide group of people, strategists, elected officials, people with ties to the campaign, and they all said they are two words, frustrated and disgusted. they are really -- some people are talking about resigning. but here is something on a practical level that's being considered and that's about money. republican sources have told me that one option that's under consideration is actually to end the joint fund-raising agreement, so the rnc would just focus its fund-raising exclusively on those critical down-ballot races, the senate races, the congressional races,
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the state wide races. they have a problem right now. people don't want to write checks to the joint fund-raising. there is an agreement that says the rnc's money that they raise will be shared with trump. so no decision has been made. my sources say everyone is waiting to see the fallout of the next 24 hours. they are also waiting to watch the debate tomorrow night and see what happens. but they are looking at something that could be a serious financial issue for trump if they go in that direction, wolf. >> jamie gangel, thanks very much. coming up right here in the cnn newsroom, cnn uncovers more crude conversations about women from donald trump's many interviews on howard stern's radio show. we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back with more of the breaking news coverage. stay with us. guess what guys, i switched to sprint. sprint? i'm hearing good things about the network. all the networks are great now.
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we're following the breaking news. in a show of defiance, donald trump greeted supporters outside trump tower late today, but the
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republican party clearly in meltdown over his stunningly vulgar and sexually aggressive remarks, all caught on videotape. gop lawmakers are abandoning their nominee and there are now growing calls for donald trump to drop out of this race. joining us now, david gergen, a former advisor to four u.s. presidents and cnn presidential hit to historian, david brinkley. give us a big picture look at what's going on over the last 24 hours because this is truly tumultuous. >> it's one of the most remarkable dramas we've had in our politics in years and years. that is basically a civil war is starting to break out in the republican party between those who are in the establishment, who really have been deeply offended by trump all along and even more so by these tapes, but very much now think if he stays at the top of the ticket, he's going to drag everybody down. if this collapse of support among women that you talked about, if that spreads among
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women voters all across the country, he's going to lose by a landslide and they could lose the senate and the house. so they want to get him out of there but they don't know how to do it. in the same time he's rallying the grassroots supporters and against the establishment, against the media and against these establishment elites. >> when you use the word "civil war" those are powerful words. >> they are powerful words but we've never seen anything like this in my memory. i can't remember any time we've been on the verge of an election where there's real pressure within the party to get rid of the nominee. it's not even in their rule book. they don't know how to handle this. >> doug, look what's going on. >> remember in 2012 when mitt romney said binders of women at the second debate and it cost romney terribly. what a quaint line that is compared to the pornographic, x-rated jibberish that we're being dealt with by donald trump. this second debate matters because donald trump has to somehow do an amazing turn-around. he's representing the party of abraham lincoln and the party of
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dwight eisenhower. they both knew how to be humble. he is going to have to somehow find the humility and really almost plead for forgiveness in a way and talk from the heart in a way we've never seen him do. remember when barack obama had the jeremiah wright issue and he got in front of it. nixon with the checkers speech. he's got to do something very special to bring women back into the republican fold. >> and clearly that's going to be a huge challenge at the debate tomorrow night, 24 hours from now. we'll see if he can do it. stand by with us. trump's offensive comments on the 2005 recording are not the only instance of him making disparaging remarks about women. cnn's k-file team reviewed hours and hours of newly uncovered audio conversations from howard stern's radio show. i want to bring in cnn's andrew kaczynski. andrew, tell our viewers here in the united states and around the world what you found on those audio tapes.
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>> so these audio tapes represent a 17-year period in which donald trump appeared on the howard stern show. you see some -- a lot of very crude descriptions of women coming from trump in these clips that span from there, you know, 1993 to 2010. some of them are so disgusting that we can't even air them, which obviously means you should go look at them on cnn.com. but i think we actually have a montage of some of them right now. >> my daughter is beautiful. ivanka. >> by the way, your daughter -- >> she's beautiful. >> can i say this, a piece of ass. >> yeah. >> the last couple of years i'd go out with somebody and she's 21. she's talking about what are you doing and she's studying algebra. >> so what? >> it was always embarrassing for me to walk in. 30 is like a perfect age. >> absolutely. she has enough life experience. >> until she's 35. >> don't ever change. don't ever change. >> what is it at 35, howard?
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it's called checkout time. >> and you're probably, i would say, the greatest judge of beauty on this planet. in fact i would create a tv show for you where all you did was just judge women. >> now that may be the best idea of all. >> it's a simple thing, it's a half hour and we strip it out all over the country. >> i'll say i'm the all-time judge. >> you own this pageant, you're meeting the girls. one of them comes up to you and says, mr. trump, you're a very sexy man. >> you're a beautiful fan, yo have fantastic hair. >> you're a powerful man, right? right? you're a powerful man. >> right. >> i want to sleep with you. now, you're not the type that would say no. >> i don't want to hurt their feelings. >> right. >> right. >> you see a beautiful woman, you want to have that. >> well, couldn't that be construed, however, as -- >> conflict? >> yes. >> i don't see it as a conflict. >> it could be a conflict of interest, but it's the kind of thing you worry about later. you tend to think about the conflict a little later on. the question is how can it not be construed. >> some of these foreign girls, mr. trump, in my country we say
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hello with the vagina. >> you can also say as the owner of the pageant it's your obligation to do that. >> so you have done that. >> one of the funniest is i'll go backstage before a show. everyone is getting dressed and ready and everything else. no men are anywhere -- and i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the pageant and therefore, i'll inspecting it. i'm inspecting, i want to make sure everything is good. is everyone okay? they're standing there with no clothes. you see these incredible-looking women. so i sort of get away with things like that. >> so, andrew, what you're saying is this is just a small little batch based on what you have heard on these audio tapes. there's so much more, is that right? >> well, there is a lot more. there was -- there was a lot that came out earlier this year probably around february. but there's a lot of donald trump/howard stern clips that have yet to be found. from the early '90s to basically the end of the '90s trump
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appeared on the show probably numerous times that people haven't even listened to yet. so i mean this could just be sitting in someone's basement. so those might come out by the end of the campaign. >> andrew kaczynski, thanks very much for that report. i want to get back to our political experts right now. so, david chalian, his argument presumably will be i was a showbiz kind of guy. i was trying to promote "the apprentice," "celebrity apprentice." that's what we do, go on the howard stern show to get viewers. it's a whole different genre. >> and he's used that excuse time and again. he was also keenly aware about the howard stern show in particular. he knew he had done it a lot and said some things that may not be seen as what a presidential candidate would say. but here's what i would argue, wolf. everything is a new context now, right? so after the bombshell that we got with the caught on tape moment with the access
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hollywood/billy bush interview, now having more of these howard stern tapes emerge, for the first time hearing it with the context all american voters have with seeing the "access hollywood" tape, it's a whole new level. i don't know that it gets dismissed as just having been in entertainment at the time. maybe that would have worked a few months ago. i don't think that's going to work anymore as an excuse. >> we have a clip of ivanka, his daughter, saying her dad is not a groper, if you will. let me play that. >> but you have worked so closely with your dad. there's another woman who is quoted in the article that says that donald trump groped her at a meeting, at a business meeting. >> yeah. well -- look, i'm not in every interaction my father has but he's not a groper, that's not who he is. i've known my father obviously my whole life and he has total respect for women. >> gloria, that was from cbs back in may following that "new york times" report that documented all these women coming forward and saying that
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he had groped them, if you will. so all of a sudden this has really exploded. >> right. and she also said to me that her father wasn't a sexist and took great offense when i asked that question. i can only imagine how difficult this is for her. she has come out in this campaign and made women's issues, child care, children's issues, a big part of this campaign. she came out at the republican convention and spoke about it, talked about her father's devotion to those issues. and now -- and by the way, these adult children are very involved in the running of this campaign and ivanka is among them. and now they find themselves sort of in the gilded tower there doing damage control against -- for their father, trying to -- and their father has become an increasingly isolated and defiant candidate, isolated from the republican party. and earlier on in the show,
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wolf, you played a clip of rudy giuliani saying it was the outsiders versus the insiders. i would argue at this point it's the trump campaign against the republican party. the entire republican party. it's not just the establishment, it's people who have endorsed him and are now unendorsing him. and by the way, that has now become a word, unendorsing, right? >> it has, it has. but to david's point about the context of this, of course everybody knew donald trump as the celebrity. everybody knew that there were moments where he was inappropriate or, you know, trying to be a showman and so forth. but in the context of what happened with the tape that came out yesterday, to hear him talking about his daughter like that is just -- it takes cringe worthy to a whole other level. it's true. i'm a daughter, you're a daughter, just imagine that, to hear that from your dad? it just -- it blows your mind.
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>> but they have always excused it in the past. oh, that's my father, he doesn't mean that. >> it's a schtick. >> yeah, he's an entertainer. yes, sometimes he can be inappropriate. but what we saw on the video yesterday went beyond inappropriate and lewd to predatory. and this is something that i am sure that his children and his wife, by the way, are grappling with. we know that melania came out today in a statement of support saying that her husband has apologized. >> and that she accepted that. >> that she accepted the apology, which hillary clinton accepted bill clinton's apology as well, if you'll recall, and that was quite important to bill clinton's political future. i don't know whether this will have the same impact that that did. >> but melania in that statement also called his words unacceptable in that videotape. >> exactly. >> here's the question that i
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have rattling around in my brain heading into the debate tomorrow night. he's now given a statement both on paper and a video statement. and it hasn't been sufficient in any way to actually move beyond this. after those statements were out there, we saw more republicans, as gloria said, unendorse and walk away from him. so what does he come prepared with to try to address this in front of tens of millions of americans on the debate stage in a way that allows him to move beyond it. that to me is the piece they have been grappling with and i have no indication as to what he may be doing differently than what he's already done. if he just repeats what he's already said, i find it hard to believe this is going to go away. i've got to believe this is not the last one we're going to hear about from now through the next 30 days. >> and the question is whether he is constitutionally able to do what he needs to do. to say what he said, which was obviously scripted for him last night in a very controlled setting. there were no reporters around.
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the videotape -- they brought a camera in, hired a camera guy, put it up on social media. whether he is constitutionally able to do a version of that and then some, expand on that, while he's getting incoming from from voters, while he's getting incoming from hillary clinton, and so to be able to stay focused on that and then the question is how much he pivots, to use a word he apparently hates, to the issues that his campaign hates that he needs to stay on, which is, yeah, but what about hillary clinton allegedly coming close to breaking the law, isn't that worse than what i did? those are the kinds of questions that it's just unclear whether he has the capacity to deal with. >> and i was talking to a republican today who suggested kind of along the lines of what you're saying is that he ought to come in there and he ought to apologize and then he ought to take a turn and say now let's get to the issues that concern the american people here. and see if he can -- if he can do that. and that's -- that's difficult for him, because as we all know
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during this campaign, apologizing does not come easily to donald trump. >> this is the first time he's done it. >> he has said before that he expressed regrets about things and last night he apologized, but he had to do it by prompter. >> and he doesn't allow attacks to go by. that's the other piece of it, right? so if hillary clinton comes loaded for bear on this -- >> which she will. she will. and she may just give him enough rope, which is what they have been doing all day today, by hanging back, not -- you know, hillary clinton tweeted initially, but she hasn't lately because they want to give him enough rope and they want to give the republican party just enough space to continue to attack their own candidate, which by the way, when have we ever seen anything like this? i mean it reminds me, although of course i wasn't born at that point, of the resignation of richard nixon. i'm only joking.
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and when before richard nixon resigned from the white house, you saw this kind of domino effect. this is an avalanche here, and we saw that before nixon resigned. but of course he was an incumbent president. i don't recall anything like this for a party's nominee. i remember when bob dole was running people were deserting him because they thought he was going to lose, but they weren't taking away their endorsement of him or their money. >> you said something that's important and i've heard this in my calls and conversations with republican lawmakers and people who are strategists all day today, which is everybody wants to put the pause button on until sunday night. but what i can't figure out is what is going to be that different that is going to make republicans change how they're approaching him and whether or not the party says enough. >> let's see if he makes a statement before, before -- >> i'm told he is not doing that. >> he gave interviews where he said zero chance of him dropping
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we're following the breaking news, the gop is in meltdown tonight as lawmakers rescind their endorsements of donald trump. many republicans are calling on their nominee to drop out of the race, just 31 days before election day. trump says there is no chance he's quitting. let's listen one more time to the source of all this uproar, this 2005 recording, first released by "the washington post" in which trump makes lewd comments about women. we want to warn you, the language in this video is very graphic and very offensive. >> i moved on her actually. you know, she was down in palm beach, i moved on her and i failed. i'll admit it. >> whoa. >> i did try and [ bleep ], she was married. >> huge news there. >> this was nancy. i moved on her very heavily.
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in fact i took her out furniture shopping. she wanted to get some furniture. i'll show you where they have some nice furniture. i moved on her like a bitch and i couldn't there. all of a sudden i see her and she's got the big phony tits. >> the sheesh, your girl's hot as shit. yes, yes, the donald is good. my man! >> who set this up? >> give me the thumbs up. >> you are a -- >> maybe it's a different woman. >> it better not be. no, it's her. >> yeah, that's her with the gold. i've got to use some tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i just start kissing them. it's just like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> anything you want. >> grab them by the -- you can do anything. >> all i can see is the legs. >> no, it looks good. >> come on, shorty. >> oh, nice legs, huh?
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>> get out of the way. that's good legs. go ahead. >> it's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. like ford, gerald ford, remember? >> down below. pull the handle. >> hello, how are you? hi. nice seeing you. >> nice to meet you. >> terrific. you know billy bush. >> hi, nice to see you. how are you doing? >> doing very well. are you ready to be a soap star? >> i'm ready. >> how about a little hug for the donald, he just got off the bus. >> absolutely. melania said this was okay. >> i'm joined now by some of cnn's partisan political commentators, the former hillary clinton presidential campaign manager, patty solis doyle. the former reagan white house political director, jeffrey lord and lonnie chan a former policy director for mitt romney. jeffrey, donald trump is running for
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president of the united states. how was you rate his handling of the crisis so far? >> so far so good. i think the video -- good of him to get out there. >> how can you say good so far? look at the reaction of the fellow republicans. >> i genuinely think what we have got the clip with mayor giuliani saying insiders versus outsiders. that's going on all yearlong and the interesting fact the more this happens with elites across the board, the more that is going to be push his base and whip up the enthusiasm out there. >> not enough to get him elected president. >> well, i think it can extend well beyond that. we've talked about the bill clinton situation. one of the things that happened in that episode was that his numbers went up. there's a cnn poll in the day -- >> take a look at these republicans, your fellow republicans. put the pictures up on the screen. >> okay. >> not just outsiders, not just people who never liked donald
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trump and never supported him. several of -- most of them the ones in the past 24 hours did endorse him and willing to vote for him. but now they're saying including con da lee za rice an saying he is not fit to be fit of the united states. >> right. i mean, in this environment, all that does is underscore the problem. and in a historical sense when nixon got in the trouble as a vice presidential candidate, same thing. republicans said he has to get off the ticket and led to the checker speech and comeback and i think it's a mistake misjudging the country here. >> you heard there's a civil war in the republican party right now as a result of the videotape released 24 hours ago ai think that's accurate. the question is to focus on the future of the republican party or the present? if we focus on the present, you understand why the people are doing what they're doing leaving donald trump.
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think oar thinking about what kind of image is the republican party going to have. probably thinking about their own political fortunes, as well, wolf and factors come to play. there's disagreement and not cover over that fact. there is. >> enormous disagreement. from the democrats perspective, supporter of hillary clinton, patty, how do you see the handling of this crisis by donald trump? >> i think it's been abysmal, frankly. i think his apologies made the situation worse. his first apology, the written statement, basically likened this behavior to locker room banter. which to me as a woman, as a mother of a son, that's the sentiment of boys will be boys and that's just unacceptable. and then the videotaped apology, i mean, frankly, he looked like he was being helped captive. forced to apologize. there was no remorse there. there was no contrition. i just think it's been handled thus far very badly. >> jeffrey, i've spoken to some republicans who point out that
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their frustration over this videotape, what donald trump said being released when it was just as wikileaks releasing the transcripts of hillary clinton's speeches before major wall street law firms for which she was paid a lot and that story is basically buried. >> right. >> as a result of donald trump's words as they've come forward and they're blaming him directly for what they see this disaster. >> well, i mean, this was 11 years ago, wolf. >> but that's not just that but patty says the way he's handled it, they see it as a disaster and would have liked for him to immediately come out with contrition to apologize, to apologize directly to the women he insulted in that videotape. he still hasn't done this. >> well, i think he's gotten the ball rolling on this. i mean, wolf, truly, i think that there are a lot of americans out there that look at how this came to light, a leak from the media, the coverage of the media, and then you get the elitist politicians, you know,
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fleeing the ship here. they see this as all part and parcel and -- >> the congressman from utah, elitist politician? >> they see it as -- >> is he an elite politician? >> people see him -- >> how do you see jason chaff t chaffetz. >> who's leading the fight in congress against hillary clinton and the e-mails? >> right, right. >> jason chaffetz? >> yes. the change in speakerships and this sort of thing he seemed to be leading i think boehner camp, et cetera. there's a lot of suspicion of these folks and they are i think not helping themselves by this. i thought i saw governor schwarzenegger mentioned. let's just remember that a few days before his election as govern nor of california first time something very much like this came forward from the "los angeles times" epa yet he wound up winning in a landslide. >> what does trump need to do? >> tomorrow's debate is crucial.
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>> what does he need to do there? >> he has to come out and express genuine contrition, look in the camera saying, look, i understand i hurt a lot of people. i'm sorry. not qualify as an attack on bill clinton and hillary clinton. just apologize and then move into talking about the issues. the strongest point of last debate is first 20 minutes like trade and the economy and what he needs to do and not just saying, look, i'll attack bill and hillary clinton for the personal past. doesn't work. >> can he do that? >> he has not proven to be a disciplined politician. i don't know if he can do that what hillary needs to do is come out fierce. come out an condemn donald trump in the strongest words she's ever used. she needs to stand up for the women that he has insulted. these women he's offended. i think she's going to stand up for nancy o'dell. >> we have a lot more to discuss. quick programming note, the democratic vice presidential nominee senator tim kaine and governor chris christie, one of donald trump's top advisers,
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condemning her husband's 2005 comments and so is his running mate. this as cnn uncovers another jaw-dropping conversation trump had about women. we want to welcome the viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. this is cnn's "newsroom." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're coming to you lye from beautiful washington university in st. louis, missouri, site of the second presidential debate. just hours before that critical rematch, donald trump's campaign and party, they are in crisis. trump waving to cheering crowds outside trump tower tonight in new york city even as he faces an out of control firestorm. the gop nominee is rejecting new calls by some top republicans to drop out of the race. he says he's staying in, quote, 100%. it's been a chaotic 24 hours for trump since a video surfacing
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with lewd comments he made about women in a tv taping in 2005. tonight, more and more republican officials are withdrawing the support of trump and they're condemning the remarks, refusing to buy the apology posted online overnight. >> i have never said i'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone i'm not. i've said and done things i regret and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who i am. i said it. i was wrong. and i apologize. >> even trump's wife says her husband's words on that videotape are unacceptable and offensive. but in a statement she is urging people to accept his apology. the republican vice presidential nominee also says trump's comments offended him. governor mike pence abruptly
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canceled plans to attend a rally in wisconsin tonight with the house speaker paul ryan. pence was supposed to fill in for trump after ryan reportedly told the embattled presidential republican nominee he was no longer welcome. sarah murray is joining us from new york city right now with new details of what's going on inside the trump campaign today. stand by. first let's look at the 2005 video and listen to the comments by trump that created this entire crisis, a reminder, it's graphic. >> you know and i moved on her actually. you know, she was down on palm beach. and i failed. i'll admit it. i tried to [ bleep ] her. >> she used to be great. she's still very beautiful. >> i move on her and i failed. i'll admit it. i did try and -- her. she was married. >> that's huge news. >> no, no. nancy. no, this was -- >> and i moved on her very heavily. in fact, i took her out furniture shopping. she wanted to get some furniture. i said, "i'll show you where they have some nice furniture." >> i moved on her like a bitch but i couldn't get there. and she was married.
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then all of a sudden i see her. she's now got the big phony tits and everything. she's totally changed her look. >> sheesh, your girl's hot as shit in the purple. whoa, the donald is good. whoa, my man. wait, wait. you have to look at me when you -- >> you are a piece. maybe it's a different one. >> it better not be the publicist. no, it's her. it's her. >> yeah, that's her, with the gold. i've gotta use some tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i just start kissing them. like a magnet. just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the pussy. you can do anything. >> all i can see is the legs. >> no, it looks good. >> come on, shorty. >> oh, nice legs, huh? >> get out of the way, honey. oh, that's good legs. go ahead. >> it's always good if you don't fall out of the bus. like ford, gerald ford, remember?
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>> down below. pull the handle. >> sarah, there's clearly spreading outrage over the video. how's the trump camp responding tonight? >> well, wolf, you can tell the way the trump campaign struggled to respond from the original statement last night calling it locker room banter and then donald trump in front of a camera for the taped statement and even in the wake of that we have seen so many republicans today jumping ship saying they cannot hold the noses and support donald trump anymore and a number of them called for him to step aside to pull his name from the ticket. reporters caught up with him today at trump tower coming down stairs to wave hello to some supporters. this is what he said about whether he was staying in the race. >> what do you want to say to your supporters? >> tremendous support. >> are you staying in, mr. trump? >> tremendous support. >> are you staying in the race? >> 200%. >> what do you say to the republicans -- >> now, this is a candidate who,
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of course, struggled to consolidate support, especially establishment republicans behind him and now seeing a number of those defections last night as well as today and when rudy giuliani leaving today he brushed that aside. listen to what he said. >> is he staying in the race? >> he's going to win. >> will he show up at the debate tomorrow? will he be at the debate tomorrow? >> of course he'll be at the debate. >> anything to happen now to convince you he should drop out? >> there's nothing to cause his dropping out. that's a wishful thinking of the clinton campaign. and those people who have opposed him for a long time. he's in the race to win and he is going to win. >> what do you make of the fellow republicans backing out from support -- >> they largely didn't support him in the first place and not so much of a surprise. if you look at it they were all republicans who opposed him and didn't support him in the past. this is basically the insiders
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against the outsiders anyway. donald trump is the populist candidate. most of the people that turned on him are members of the establishment. i would see this as you want change, in washington, you vote for donald trump. we want to keep things the same, you go to hillary clinton. >> thank you very much, mr. mayor. >> reporter: i have talked to a number of republicans today and last night believing the video is the end of donald trump's campaign and nothing to do to recover from it but those who are not so dire on the situation say that the debate stage is going to be donald trump's last chance to show some contrition and to move beyond this but today donald trump took to twitter and sort of gave us a hint for what his strategy might be on the debate stage and it's looking like a scorched earth strategy. he was retweeting tweets of broderick, the woman accused bill clinton of raping her in the '70s and she was going hard against hillary clinton essentially alleging that hillary clinton bullied her in
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the wake of the rape accusations so that could be a clue for how donald trump is planning to handle this whole issue essentially pivoting and focusing on the clinton scandals and republicans worry that could backfire. >> yeah. if he does that tomorrow night in the debate, that could turn ugly very, very quickly. sarah, thanks very much. donald trump is trying to plow ahead with the campaign and with tomorrow night's debate but some republicans, they're weighing scenarios about the end game for his campaign. we have breaking news on that. i want to bring in chief political analyst gloria borger. what are you learning? >> well, there are many scenarios being played out by people who don't want to see donald trump remain their presidential nominee in the republican party. one of the scenarios that's being played out by republican party elders is convincing mike pence to leave the ticket. >> wow. >> because they believe that if mike pence were to leave the ticket it would then create what
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one person called to me immeasurable pressure than on donald trump to leave. i mean, the presumption is, of course, that mike pence would become the presumptive nominee at that particular point. but i was speaking to vin weber who is a republican party elder who was a jeb bush supporter. i should tell you that. not a trump fan. but he made it clear that there is a lot of chatter about this. again, wolf, there's a lot of chatter about a lot of things and i a lot of scenarios are being played out within the republican national committee now, with, you know, republicans talking to each other. i don't know how many people have suggested this to mike pence but i do know that messages have been sent to him about this. and dana bash has been reporting that mike pence was really upset by what occurred.
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we saw that he didn't go to wisconsin today to represent donald trump. so, we have some sense of mike pence's strong feelings on this. >> dana, mark preston's with us, as well. dana, is there an indication mike pence would actually drop out as the vice presidential running mate? >> he's made very clear in his actions and his words he's in a holding pattern. just like a lot of other republicans are. but for other republicans to be in a holding pattern, okay. for him, the guy who was picked to support donald trump and that was sort of a reason why the two of them are together, obviously, he's a running mate, for him to say i'm out you're on your own on this for now is a big deal so anything is possible. we can't underscore enough, this is unchartered territory. i mean, i cannot tell you how many conversations i have had, i'm sure you have, as well, with republican committee men, strategists, members of congress saying we don't even know how
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this is going to end. there certainly are succession rules. they have a plan. the republican party has a rule in their charter that in the platform that says if somebody drops out this is what we do and, you know, we won't get into that now but that's a big, big, big if. >> and mark preston, very quickly, because we know that mike pence always says he's a religious christian first, conservative second, a republican third. he was deeply offended by that videotape. >> he has children and the fact is he's made his whole career in congress as a republican leader and is a governor. you know, based on his social conservative views. that was his driving force. something like this clearly has knocked him off. he did a very good job of defending donald trump a few days ago and this is a bridge too far and as dana said, he is in a holding pattern. >> he called donald trump today saying you're on your own.
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>> refused to go to wisconsin. >> exactly. >> that in and of itself is stunning and giving republicans who'd like to see pence leave some hope that maybe he would listen to them. >> all right. stand by, guys. i want do get some more reaction to donald trump's remarks from the libertarian party's vice presidential nominee, the former republican governor of massachusetts, william weld is joining us on the phone. thanks very much for joining us. >> hey, wolf, not a bit. thank you. >> all right. so your running mate gary johnson, he had his own crisis, so-called aleppo moment and lost support apparently because he didn't know enough about foreign policy but do you think what donald trump, this videotape with donald trump what he said about women, do you think that's going to help your party's efforts? >> well, it could. you know, i don't think we should be surprised about this videotape. donald trump has already publicly called women dogs and pigs as mrs. clinton said in the
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last debate. and he clearly subscribes to the chat l theory of women, women as chattel and sex objects and i don't think that's any great surprise. it's one of -- any one of a number of reasons why mr. trump doesn't really have the -- you know, the temperament, the character, the stability to be president of the united states. but i would not personally join those who are saying he needs to drop out of the race. i think everybody should do their job. we should go ahead, have the election and let the chips fall where they may. that's what we do. so that's my view anyway. >> but now that trump has had what so many see as a disqualifying moment, this videotape, does it make sense for voters who had been supporting him to now turn around to forget about some of their previous concerns involving the libertarian ticket and go ahead and support you?
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>> well, that's absolutely the case. and governor johnson and i put out a statement today to that effect. i've been surprised, frankly, that so many republican voters stuck with mr. trump for so long given that he's campaigning 180 degrees against what everyone, reince priebus on down, agreed the party needed to do after the 2012 election. that included free trade, emphasis on free trade, outreach to the hispanic community, much more involvement of women, reaching out to the communities of color and all other communities of ethnicity, and that does not sound like donald trump, does it? because he's gone totally in the other direction. bit his thumb at the republican party. >> your running mate is not going to be in the presidential debate tomorrow night. gary johnson wasn't in the first presidential debate. doesn't that suggest you really have virtually no chance of winning this election?
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>> we don't have a quality problem because we believe we have the best ticket. two two-term republican governors that served successfully and reached across the aisle and fiscally successful and welcoming and not mean spirited like the republicans, not spending and borrowing money like it was water like the democrats. we do have a quantitative problem which is getting gary johnson's name recognition up to 60% or 70% instead of 35%. if we do that, given that he doesn't have the unfavorables of the other party's candidates, his ballot position should go to 25% anyway. maybe even 30%. and if we entered november with 25% or 30% we the libertarian ticket, i would say we're dangerous to have momentum and in the closing weeks of a big campaign, if you have your choice between money and organization and momentum, all the pros will tell you you want
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momentum every time. >> governor, when you heard trump say in that videotape from 2005 and i'm quoting him now, when you're a star they let you do it, you can do anything, and all the other sordid things he said in that videotape, what did you think? >> you know, i thought this guy's not just a narcissist. he's not just a malignant narcissist who likes other people to fail when he's succeeding, he's walter mitty. he's lost in his own dreams, in his own head. he doesn't know when the curtain is up and when the curtain is down. >> you said you're going to focus your attention on attacking donald trump for the remainder of the campaign, 31 days to go. are you essentially working to support hillary clinton as a way to stop donald trump? >> no. i said mr. trump would be a big focus of mine because i think he's so unfit for the presidency but i didn't say i would do that
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exclusively. you know? i think the goldman sachs tape that came out also on friday where mrs. clinton said, well, i have public positions but i also have private positions for your benefit, and i think that, you know, the people who know most about what regulation works in the financial sector are the people who already work there, namely you. that's code for i'll be in your corner and maybe unstated but unmistakable in the background is i appreciate your financial support on an ongoing basis. those are items, as well. we're an equal opportunity employer. we'll point out differences with the democrats and the republicans. >> as you point out, twice elected republican governor of massachusetts. as you know, the libertarian party platform supporting legalizing prostitution and critics say that's a form of treating women like a commodity. are you comfortable with the
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plank in your platform? >> no. not at all. i'm running as myself and not on every -- in the libertarian platform and ran as a republican i never supported the party's movement conservative positions on abortion and gay rights. you may recall i was an outlier as a liberal on abortion and gay rights and gay marriage for many years in the republican party. and, you know, gary and i have had this conversation many times. we'll take the good in the republican party platform -- i'm sorry. the libertarian party platform and not bound by things we don't agree with. we're running as the nominees. >> governor weld, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> just ahead, here on this special cnn "newsroom," we've uncovered clips of more crude remarks by donald trump in a past interview about women, sex, even his own daughter ivanka. we'll have that and more when we come back. was a paint...
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kuzinski. it's conversations over many years of howard stern on the radio show. what did you find out? >> so these conversations represent a 17-year period. the earliest clips of trump on howard stern are 1993, the latest one is 2010. some of them are very, very graphic. so graphic we can't play them on the air so they have to be listened to on cnn.com. and they're, you know, him just talking about women and basically degrading women, talking about them, object ififg them. >> my daughter is beautiful. ivanka. >> your daughter, by the way -- >> beautiful. >> can i say this? piece of ass. >> she is like 21 and talking about what are you doing? studying algebra. >> so far? >> there was always embarrassing to walk in. 30 is like a perfect age. >> life experience. >> until she's 35.
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>> don't ever change. >> too much life experience. >> it's called checkout time. >> you probably -- i would say the greatest judge of beauty on this planet. in fact, i would create a tv show for you where all you did was just judge women. >> that may be the best idea of all. >> simple thing. a half hour and we strip it out. >> all-time judge. >> you own this pageant. you look, meeting the girls. isn't that wonderful? one says, mr. trump, you're very sexy man. >> a beautiful man. fantastic hair. >> powerful man. right? right? >> right. >> powerful man. >> right. >> i want to sleep with you. you're not the type to say no. >> i don't want to hurt their feelings. >> right, no. you see a beautiful woman, you want to have that. you're a guy that likes to have everything. >> couldn't that be construed, however, as -- >> conflict? >> yes. >> i don't see it as a conflict. >> could be but, you know, the kind of thing you worry about later. you tend to think about the conflict later on. >> the question is how can it
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not be construed. >> foreign girls, mr. trump, we say hello with vagina. >> you can say as the owner of the pageant, your obligation to do that. >> so you have done that? >> funniest is i'll go backstage before a show and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else and, you know, no men -- i go in as the owner of the pageant and inspecting it. inspecting to make sure -- >> like a doctor. >> the dress -- everyone okay? you know they're standing there with no -- you see the incredible-looking women and so i sort of get away with things like that. >> and, andrew, what you are saying is even more risque audio st tapes posted on cnn.com. is that right? >> yeah. all the clips including ones we couldn't play extremely graphic, one of the conversations he has about tiger woods is like
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disgusting and not play it on tv and all on cnn.com and i do think there probably are a lot more of these clips to be uncovered between the early 1990s and 1999. we really don't have dates for when donald trump was on howard stern's show and those could be coming out i think at any time and might be sitting in someone's basement. and if you have them, you should send them to me. >> andrew kaczynski with good reporting for us, thank you very much. >> our chief political correspondent with us, gloria borger. sara murray, as well and executive editor mark preston and chief political correspondent dana bash. gloria, 31 days to go. i assume there are going to be more of these explosive kinds of videos and audio tapes that could surface. >> i think that's what every republican who is running for
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re-election or election this cycle is thinking about, particularly if they've tied themselves to donald trump. because now that we have had the videotape which wasn't just lewd behavior but predatory behavior, now that we have had that, you can pile on all this other stuff and it confirms a bad existing narrative. and so, the question for all of these republican politicians is, how far did they distance themselves from donald trump? >> and we can't -- again, cannot say enough how critical this debate is tomorrow night. to answering so many questions but including that. our der dre walsh said the house republicans have a conference call to assess the performance of donald trump and house republicans are going to deal with donald trump. already we have seen so many of
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them, particularly those in tough re-election campaigns say, i'm not supporting him, not voting for him. un-endorsing to use your new word, gloria. but if there's a broader discussion and they do it en masse, i mean, it looks like it's close to game over and then really game over. question is, how much the bleeding trickles down to the down ballot races. >> mark, you know, we have all covered politics for a long time. getting closer and closer to an election, one of the parties or both of the parties, they have what they call opposition research that they're waiting to unload at the right moment. >> they are. and part of the research by outside groups fueled by big dollar donors. we are seeing it on the republican side. expect there to be more against hillary clinton with the wikileaks situation and see how it turns out and definitely on the democratic side. a lot of these things happen because they happen because they were dug up and it was paid for that. but on that note, too, as far as
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democrats right now, wolf, clinton campaign official tells me right now that they have not shifted any of their resources into different states right now given the situation. they're assessing the situation right now but they're keeping the game plan in place and continuing to monitor it and told me that they sold the surrogates, quietly today, you can talk about this if you want. you can react if you want. do not go overboard. allow the republican party and allow republicans right now to try to take down donald trump. hillary clinton herself will speak about it first, of course, tomorrow night. >> stand by for a moment. we have a lot more coming up here in the cnn "newsroom." the turmoil engulfing the gop right now, almost like an unprecedented crisis. what is going on inside the republican party tonight? we'll be right back. this is how you apply
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chorus of republicans calling for the party to dump donald trump is growing by the hour as gop leaders react to the graphic recording of trump talking about groping and
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seducing women. cnn's special correspondent jamie galgel has the latest on this. yu are getting information from your sources. >> reporter: we have reached out to a number of high level republicans, veterans, elected officials and several who have ties to the trump campaign and they told us that right now donald trump is only listening to donald trump. and that the republican party is in such a crisis that in effect the rnc leadership is taking a time-out to figure out what to do next. rnc leaders i'm told are waiting to see if all of these defecti n defections are a tidal wave and go further or if, frankly, there are more tapes to come out and also waiting to see how donald trump handles himself tomorrow night at the debate. on a different note, the rnc,
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i'm told by our sources, is considering how to handle the future of their relationship with trump for the next month. trump relies on the rnc not only for his ground game in states but he's relying on them financially. right now, we know the rnc and the trump campaign have a legal agreement for joint fund-raising. those victory funds we keep hearing about in different states around the country. but my gop sources have told me today that there's now an option under consideration to change that relationship. in effect, to stop sharing the money with trump and to concentrate on raising money for those critical down ballot races, congressional races, statewide races, wolf. >> yeah my gangel with good reporting, as usual. thank you. i want to bring back political
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reporter sara murray joining us from new york, mark preston is with us here in st. louis as are comment taylors trump supporter jeffrey lord and hillary rosen, hillary clinton supporter. 80 million people potentially could be watching the second presidential debate tomorrow night. what do we expect to hear? what are you hearing from your sources about how hillary clinton will come out? >> swinging. right from the top. from what we understand, she plans to address this right at the top of the debate in what form or fashion we don't know. they purposely left her down today. they didn't want a public statement or appearance or an interview. they want to hit it home as you said 80 plus million people could be watching breaking records in this debate. we saw about 84 million watched last debate. i can't imagine we won't see more people watching tomorrow night and bill clinton will be here at the debate. question is, will he be in the
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debate hall or watching it from a hold room? in the debate room and donald trump goes after him, imagine what could happen. >> sara murray, you have new information on mike pence, the vice presidential running mate of donald trump on the travel schedule. they put it out. what are you learning? >> a lot is made of mike pence not going to wisconsin to represent donald trump there and the campaign just advised travel schedule for pence, it goes through wednesday. it's light on details. it does include the states he'll be going to and clear that the campaign wants to send the indication that mike pence is not thinking of dropping off the ticket. now, obviously, we're hearing other things. gore gloria, dana, hearing from the sources, chatter, that could be dependent on how donald trump does in the debate and doesn't mean if tomorrow night is a catastrop catastrophe, he couldn't change his mind and cancel events. we saw that happen today and for now they're trying to calm the waters going into tomorrow.
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>> wait. >> jeffly lord, we are just learning that senator rob portman of ohio withdrawn endorsement, support of donald trump. that's a big loss in a key battleground state like ohio. we say it all time. no republican has ever won the white house without ohio. >> well, yeah. the question you have to ask yourself is will the trump supporters in ohio take it out on rob portman? this cuts both ways here for the members of congress and governors who are running for election. if they abandon the nominee, it is easy to see that some of the trump supporters will abandon them. >> you respect rob portman. >> sure, sure. i don't think he was enthusiastic about donald trump to begin with and we get to the insider/outsider thing. wolf, four years ago you saw mitt romney, an outsider in essence, made into the devil about this time. this happens to republican nominees. cornually this is the belief in
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conservative circles that this happens to every republican nominee, we reach a certain point and a crisis that, you know, paints them as terrible people. for mitt romney, that steelworker's wife and suppo supposedly pulled the insurance on. dog on the roof. this kind of thing. that's a belief that any republican nominee faces something like this, this is the donald trump version of it. >> remember the republicans some of them did to the democratic nominee in 2008 and 2012. that would have been barack obama. >> doing what to him? >> remember the smears and the accusations continued and continued and continued? >> i just think, wolf, so much of this -- >> donald trump was there? >> you mean talking about the birther situation? >> among other things. >> yeah. i don't -- i mean, i understand people want to peg this as racist. i don't believe it is. i mean, when you have five white guys running for president over the course of a century, one is sitting republican president who
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are accused of exactly the same thing, not being born in america, nothing racist about that. >> key thing for guys like rob portman, though, whether this is too little too late. whether people in ohio feel like rob portman has stuck with donald trump long enough that ted strickland for senate can still wrap donald trump around rob portman. >> he was ahead in the polls. >> he was and we'll see if it changes -- >> by a lot, though. democrats have written off ohio. >> you look at pennsylvania with pat toomey and wisconsin, new hampshire. that's key race. >> ohio -- >> you find something else to do this week which is we are going to work hard to make sure that people know that mike pence is not acceptable either. because mike pence -- >> see? >> well, that's exactly right. mike pence is as bad for women's policies as donald trump is for women's bodies. that, you know, he was the first guy who introduced the bill to
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defund pape. he was against reproductive choice even in the case of rape. he was within of those guys in the house who tried to redefine rape to prevent all abortion. so this is a very radical conservative who's not been a friend to women and you will see democrats make sure that he doesn't turn into an acceptable alternative to donald trump. >> go ahead. >> well, just very quickly, if donald trump were to step down and mike pence were to become the nominee, that's the republican party essentially saying we have given up on the white house. there's no way that he could come up and win the race. all the money goes into the united states senate and goes to the u.s. house. mike pence tries to go in to calm the ship and run in 2020. that's what would happen. >> everybody, stay with us. stand by. we have a lot more coming up. this remarkable story continues with more breaking news right here in the cnn newsroom. we'll be right back.
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just a day before the second presidential debate, we are back with the political experts and commentators. jeffrey lord, you are a donald trump supporter. you are hear me. you're a donald trump supporter. donald trump tonight has been retweeting tweets from with a knee that broderick accusing bill clinton of raping her back in the '70s. is that the strategy we anticipate coming forward in the debate tomorrow night? >> may see some of it tomorrow night. look. what we had in the 1990s was a situation where republicans went after bill clinton for just this thing and bill clinton defended himself. hillary clinton defended him. saying in essence this was nobody's business but the president and the family and a right to privacy. now suddenly they have invaded donald trump's privacy here with this situation. and they're trying to say that what he said in private on a bus is relevant. there's a similarity here and
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bill clinton's situation was a heck of a lot worse than this. this is not a few words but an accusation of rape. >> hillary, what do you think? >> i think hillary clinton won't take the bait tomorrow night. >> how will she respond? if he brings up a bill clinton sexual problems that he had going back many, many years, and raises the issue, why did hillary clinton as the wife of bill clinton go out and attack these women who were making the accusations -- >> hillary clinton did not attack anyone. >> that's not what they say. >> absolutely true. she did not go out and attack anyone. second of all, bill clinton is not on the ballot. and hillary clinton is going to say, if you're going to attack my marriage, my marriage is solid and has been together for many, many years. >> you remember what she said -- gennefer flowers. >> there is not a woman in america who has not said some bad things about the woman her husband had an affair with.
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he'll lose 90% of the audience, not just 50% of the audience. i think that would be a big mistake. what she is going to do and what we want her to do is say to the country, look, america. this is the man who's going to appoint your supreme court judges. this is the man to be in charge of your women. this is the man whose picture will be on the walls of every public elementary school in this country. is that what you want for your children? >> all right. i want to play a clip, bill clinton on the campaign trail today and heg led at one point. watch this. >> nobody can dispute the fact -- >> that you're a rapist. >> -- that we need -- we need -- yeah? hah hah. >> we love you. >> thank you. >> we love you. >> thank you. don't worry about it. thank you.
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thank you. you got to feel sorry for him. they had a bad day yesterday and trying to make it up. give him a hand. give him a hand. >> mark, you heard that heckler shout at the former president you're a rapist. >> right. so it will be interesting, again, to see what donald trump does tomorrow night. what he said last night in the video indicates to me that he is going to go there. and feels like that he can score political points. i don't necessarily agree. i think analysts say it hurts him in the polls and what is interesting for hillary clinton invoking melania trump's name by saying i'm not going to attack your wife much like i can't believe you're attacking me for the indiscretions of my husband. that's an interesting moment. >> sara, what are you hearing of the insiders of the trump camp there? covering them clearly for a long time. will donald trump go there tomorrow night? >> well, look, i think they're grappling with how to deal with
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this and they tend to send a lot of sort of flares even if they don't end to do into this territory. we saw this before the last debate. obviously, we are now in new terrain in the wake of the footage for donald trump but i actually don't think what voters are looking for is how hard he hits i think what they're going to be looking for is some signal of real contrition from donald trump about what we saw from him on that tape. we've seen him come out any time there is some vulgar or lewd language he uses saying i'm going to be the best for women you've ever seen. he's talking in this latest footage very casually and approvingly about sexual harassment. i think that's going to be the bigger moment, the potential make or break for him when it comes to undecided voters and even when it comes to republicans who are on the
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fence. can he come out and show some kind of real contrition and not just be the attack dog? >> everybody stand by. we have a lot more coming up. the country clearly right now is in unchartered political territory, this on the eve of the next clinton/trump debate. with just over four weeks until election day, there's more breaking news ahead right here in the cnn newsroom. americans... ... 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's gummies. complete with key nutrients we may need... ...plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day vitacraves gummies.
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let's get some more thoughts, final thoughts, from our political experts. gloria, as we get ready for tomorrow night's second presidential debate, we did hear something in the past 24 hours we have never heard throughout this campaign from donald trump, an apology. how did that apology go over? >> it was the second time he tried to apologize after this videotape. and i think it was too little too late. i think while he did apologize, he then took a turn to hillary clinton and bill clinton.
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he has been saying that this was something that happened 11 years ago but, oh, by the way, let's discuss something that happened with bill clinton two decades ago. and i think his supporters will say it's fine. and i think for independent voters and for undecided women, i think it will not be enough. but i'd have to say and i think we'd all agree that everyone will be watching to see how he deals with this tomorrow night and whether he apologizes again, as i would expect him to at the beginning the town hall. >> and lot of people would like to see a more emotional, a more robust apology.
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>> the video was not well done, it was insincere, it looked cold. his wife's statement came out in the middle of the day today, 24 hours too late. that should have come out at 7:00 yesterday when this story hit. donald trump has a lot of ground to cover. i don't know if it's possible. >> you're right about all of those things, september we're talking about kroocrisis manage in a traditional campaign -- >> and a normal person. >> and a person who thinks and acts like a politician who has a lot to do and worries about all the things that normal politicians do. he doesn't do that. so the move to never mind the melania statement but get him to make the statement, what is he going to say, how is it going to works, how is he going to do it when it's best controlled, they produced it themselves, they shot it themselves, no reporters in the room to ask him questions, that takes a while
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with him. tomorrow night is so, so, so important to see if the exodus that is happening now turns out to be so big that he is a man stand ago loan. -- standing alone. >> sara, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow night? >> i'm going to be looking for some sign of real contrition. i'm going to be looking for how melania and ivanka play their roles. a number of people think they've been his bust surrogateest surr. melania, that would be a good character witness. i think the biggest thing he needs to do is he needs to try to show particularly female voters in those suburbs that this is not the person he is and that's going to be a difficult
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thing to do after you've been caught on tape for decades making these kinds of remarks. >> you know, gloria, you had some interesting reporting about mike pence, the vice presidential running mate, that there's pressure on him to maybe think about dropping out. >> women, this is a scenario that some party elders are playing out and i should say that there are lots of scenarios that people are talking about at this time. but i spoke with one who was saying to me, look, we're trying to get to mike pence, trying to get him to leave the ticket because that's the only way to apply pressure on trump to leave because then they believe that pence would become the presumptive nominee. but again, one scenario. >> everyone stay with us because the story is continuing to unfold. a quick note to all our viewers, please join cnn's jake tapper for "state of the union" tomorrow morning for the latest on these unprecedented political
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developments. tomorrow night remember the world will be watching as donald trump and hillary clinton face off in what promises to be an extraordinary deer bai extraordinary debate. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. the news continues on cnn. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. he's the most unconventional candidate in history. . an outsider offending the rules of the game. >> he represents sort of an earthquake in a box to washington, d.c. >> winning more primary votes than any republican ever.

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