tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN October 9, 2016 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
good afternoon. welcome to the beautiful campus of washington university in st. louis. and a special edition of "the lead," debate night in america. i'm jake tapper. as i mentioned, we are in st. louis, missouri. in a few hours, donald trump and hillary clinton will face off in their second presidential debate. you're looking at the debate stage right now. it'll be moderated by anderson cooper as well as martha radd z
raddatz. it'll be conducted in a town hall format and feature questions from undecided voters. how will donald trump handle the fallout over that video tape. the lewd and vulgar comments about -- boasting about sexually assaulting women in the newly published 2005 tape. the comments have plunged the republican party into chaos. less than a month before the presidential election. the trump campaign says he will apologize for the lewd remarks this evening. we got this picture moments ago of trump doing a walk-through in the debate hall. here's what rudy giuliani told me earlier today about what trump will have to say this evening. >> he is going to apologize for what he did. he is going to explain to people that that is not the man he is today. and he is going to count on the fact that the american people are fair and decent people. and when someone asks for forgiveness, they usually give it. i mean, the reality is, this is
not the man then. this is not the man that ran for president for a year and a half and has learned the tremendous concerns the american people have. really, is the only one right now who is in a position to straighten it out. >> cnn's senior white house correspondent jim acosta is covering the campaign. trump has been responding on twitter. in that video tape from saturday by attacking the clintons. >> that is right, jake. he told the new york post prior to this trump tape coming out on friday he was not going to go after the clintons and their personal lives. he was telling page 6 he wanted to focus on the issues. obviously what happened on friday changed all of that. i can tell you from talking to sources, during debate preparations, they were looking at other parts of hillary clinton's record during this debate prep. so they're going to hit her on a number of fronts. but it does appear from every indication so far that donald
trump is going to get personal tonight. i've talked to a couple of campaign sources and surrogates and supporters who say this is just a bad idea. donald trump will simply turn hillary clinton into a sympathetic figure during this debate if he does that. there are concerns across the republican -- >> -- one extraordinary candidate. we have two extraordinary candidates at the top of the ballot. and i'm proud to call them both friends. our next president, hillary clint clinton. [ applause ] and our next senator, tammy duckworth. and i've had the pleasure of knowing tammy for a long time. i could not be happier that she's running for my old senate seat because i loved being your senator. it was a great job. i got to spend time traveling
across this great state. small towns, farmlands, the world's greatest city. and what i always explain to people is illinois is a microcosm of the country. more representative than any other state of the broad diversity of america. it's a place where democrats and republicans and independents and people of good will, of all races and faiths, share certain bedrock values. if you rank 50 states across the categories of age and education, household income, race, religion, then the land of lincoln is the best mirror for who we are. >> that was president obama. president obama speaking at a campaign event in chicago, illinois, for tammy duckworth, a congresswoman running for the senate seat there in that state aga . we'll monitor that and see if he has anything newsworthy to say.
a source telling cnn hillary clinton planned to address donald trump's vulgar comments early in the debate. the moderators will ask it right off the bat. tim kaine said the recording reflecting a pattern of behavior that trump will have to answer for. >> that is, i think, why this issue on friday just so galvanized people, because it's not something you can explain away as an aberration or something like, this was me ten year ago. it's not who i am now. there is plenty of evidence that this is exactly who donald trump is today. and by this, i mean divisive and cavalier in his treatment of others. and with respect to women in particular. >> senior washington correspondent jeff severalzelen
covering the clinton camp. how has this affected her debate prep? >> she spent seven hours yesterday in a hotel near her chappaqua home going over scenarios. many including how she's she'll respond to that. we know both candidates will be asked about this at the beginning of the debate. i am told that hillary clinton is going to, you know, make clear this is not a one off incident. this is a pattern of behavior in the words of one adviser, and she is even prepared to give specific examples, like she did during the first debate about the miss universe from 1996. so that is one thing she wants to do. jake, she also is trying to do, i'm told, is take advantage of what could be a new opening for some republican voters out there, some moderates, independents, who may not have been considering her at the first debate. but given all the events of this weekend, now they may be considering her. she is not going to dwell on it, i'm told, but she's going to move on and bring people into, at least try to, her campaign.
jake? >> jeff zeleny, thank you so much. joining me, my panel of cnn reporters and analysts. we have gloria, mark, and also, of course, senior political analyst david gergen, in addition to an enthusiastic crowd of washington students behind us. dav david, when it comes to hillary clinton's debate prep, i am sure they are gaming out all sorts of responses that donald trump might have that involve juanita broderick, monica lewinsky, gennifer flowers, on and on and on. how would you advise her to deal with the allegations against her husband and how she, in particular, handled those allegations? the allegations about her smearing some of the women. >> i would think, jake, that she ought to come out and be very
stern about his behavior, his record, and the fact, you know -- there is a lot more evidence than this one tape that she can use. on the other hand, i don't think she ought to get into the details. and she particularly doesn't want to get back into the details and relitigate gennifer flowers and the women of clinton's fast. what she wants to do is provide an overall general umbrella and move the debate on. she needs to nail him hard on this and move on. i think what they also have to do is, okay, she says something and he comes back and hits her. what does she do next? the second and third and fourth response, you know. you have to have a battle plan that goes beyond the first couple exchanges. >> gloria, how much do you think that this tape, the release of this tape, is just the end of it for donald trump? he was already down in the polls and his numbers were starting to crater with groups of independent voters. college educated whites. that's before the tape. >> right. and with women now. i was talking to somebody in the
campaign. they haven't gotten the results yet. it kind of takes a while to see whether there is a precipitous drop. i don't think they expect there to be one immediately. it takes a while for this to get into the water. >> yeah, broke it 4:00 on friday. >> but one of the things they're going to try to do tonight is try and make sure that what occurred on friday with this videotape can be broadened out to a larger issue about donald trump as commander in chief. >> that's what the trump people want to do? >> the clinton people want to expand it, according to my source, and say look, how does this impact his ability to be president and work for you? he will be in charge of the armed forces. women serve in the armed forces. he has to appoint an administration. he has to deal with issues regarding women. and so what hillary clinton is going to do, as david suggests, is not get down into it, talk
about juanita broderick, et cetera, et cetera, but say, look, i understand this happened 11 years ago, but 11 days ago, they had alicia machado. she'll try to play it forward. how would you deal with female world leaders? how will that affect you? they want it to play into the question of temperament and steadiness. >> do you think that this is salvageable? is there something donald trump can say? is there a way he can conduct himself over the next month that could mitigate what a disaster this tape is? >> i think there is. i mean, there's no reason any of us should be predicting that this race is over at this point. it is very volatile. we've seen over and over again that particularly his supporters will sort of brush aside remarks, not quite like this, but close to this, as being something that's in the past. if he does show real contrition, you know, and really go after hillary clinton in an effective way, i think there is a chance for him to come back here. i mean, the country is so
polarized. there are so many people who are hardened in their opinions on who they were going to support. and so clearly, the biggest problem he's going to have is what has always been his problem, which is white, suburb suburban, college educated women, who were horrified when they listened to this tape. >> 16 republican senators, many republican governors, many republicans of the house said they're not supporting donald trump. they're going to write in tim kaine. many calling for him to step out of the race. how do these remarks affect donald trump's ability to win, his ground game, his ability to get voters to the polls in ohio or utah? >> right. really, the problem is, we're focusing on, is kellyanne conway going to quit? is his top leadership going to quit? who are the people knocking on doors? who are the ones making the telephone calls? from what i understand in several of the states now, there is such frustration, that he is going to lose staff.
he is going to lose volunteers right now. it's going to hurt him, specifically in the state of florida and the state of pennsylvania. >> they with me. we have more to discuss. ahead, a key question surrounding donald trump. whose voice will influence him the most this evening? a campaign aid, hillary clinton? we'll ask someone from inside his communications team next. last week. just 1 pill each morning. 24 hours and zero heartburn, it's been the number 1 doctor recommended brand for 10 straight years, and it's still recommended today. use as directed i'm beowulf boritt and i'm broaa broadway set designer. when i started designing a bronx tale: the musical, i came up... ...with this idea of four towers that were fire escapes... ...essentially. i'll build a little model in photoshop and add these... ...details in with a pen. i could never do that with a mac. i feel like my job is... ...to put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences... ...imagination to fill in all the blanks. this windows pc is amazing, having all of my tools...
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that tells you a couple things. that tells you he is insecure enough, that he pumps himself up by putting other people down. not a character trait that i would advise for somebody in the oval office. it tells you that he doesn't care much about the basic values that we try to impart to our kids. it tells you he'd be careless with the civility and the respect that a real vibrant democracy requires. and it sure as heck tells you he's never met someone as smart or patriotic at tammy duckworth. you want to see leadership,
that's the kind of leadership you have to look for. so bottom line is this. if you want to send a message in this election, then you have to vote for hillary clinton and you have to vote for tammy duckworth. if you want leaders who actually respect americans and value hard work, if you want higher wages, better benefits, a fairer tax code, a bigger voice for workers, equal pay for equal work, stronger regulations on wall street, vote for hillary clinton and tammy duckworth. if you want a better kind of politics for our nation, if you want common sense and a commitment to facts and reason, and a belief that here in america, we're stronger together, then you have to vote for hillary clinton and you have to vote for tammy duckworth. and all of that is going to require you. you're going to have to work.
you can't take it for granted. too much is at stake to get lazy or take it for granted right now. we've got to hustle. we have to work. we have to fight for it. so i'm asking all of you to join me. i'm asking all of you to work your hearts out. it's only 30 days. work hard. get out there. but if you're willing to work hard with me, with michelle, and by the way, if you don't work hard, michelle might, you know -- you don't want to mess up with michelle. i know. if you're willing to do this for me, then i am absolutely confident that not only are we going to win an election, but more importantly, we're going to send a message to our kids about who we are. we're going to reaffirm what this country is about.
look, one thing i've learned over the last eight years is a lot of problems are hard, and progress is rarely overnight. even in the great victories that we've had, like passing health care legislation that is improving the lives and saving lives of people right now. it's a grind. you've got to battle it out. and whatever policies you've put in place, they're not going to be absolutely perfect, and then you have to tweak them and continue to work to expand and make them work even better. when you look at issues like climate change, you know that there's going to be, you know -- for every two steps forward that we take, there's going to be some folks who want to block progress. there's too much money in politics. we know the lobbyists and special interests are still going to be having a big impact out there.
so democracy is not easy. it requires citizens who believe deeply that this form of government, the idea that we all have a voice and then we listen to each other and engage each other, and we argue but we don't demonize each other, that out of that process comes something better. it requires work. it requires commitment. it's the kind of service that tammy duckworth understands. she's made the kinds of sacrifices that most of us can't imagine. and the kinds of sacrifices she and her family are now making aren't as obvious. but they're just as meaningful. because ultimately, what she does is to show us what real
patriotism means. she's showing us what true love of country means. and for her to succeed, for hillary to succeed, it's not enough just to mark a ballot box, although that's important. we're going to have to make sure that we got their back every step of the way. i can tell you, you know, this has been my life serving as president. i'm very much looking forward to life as a private citizen. but i will still be a citizen, and i will still have obligations. and i'm going to be working just as hard after a sizable break and a lot of sleep to make sure that we leave to the next generation the same kind of incredible inheritance that we
received from our parents and our grandparents. so let's get busy, everybody. are you fired up? are you ready to go? thank you, chicago. i love you. thank you, tammy duckworth. >> president obama addressing a crowd in chicago, a campaign event for congresswoman tammy duckworth, running for the senate there. president obama made remarks specifically about donald trump. we cut in at after halfway through. let's play the majority of those specific remarks about donald trump. >> one of the most disturbing things about this election is just the unbelievable rhetoric coming from the top of the republican ticket. i don't need to repeat it. there are children in the room. but demeaning women, degrading women, but also minorities,
immigrants, people of other faiths, mocking the disabled, insulting our troops, insulting our veterans. that tells you a couple things. it tells you he is insecure enough that he pumps himself up by putting other people down. not a character trait that i would advise for somebody in the oval office. >> about half of the debate questions at this evening's debate town hall will come from audience members, people who told pollsters they're uncommitted, have not decided who they're going to vote for. they were selected to be there by gala. at the first presidential debate last month, we saw an unlikely figure in the audience, governor mike pence. he sat next to trump's daughter and wife. it is unusual for a running mate to watch a debate in person. we're told governor pence is not expected to be at this debate here in st. louis this evening. with us here, however, is sarah huckabee sanders, a senior
adviser to the trump campaign. first of all, i have to ask, i've known you for a little while. i've known your family for a little while. i cannot imagine that you found the comments by donald trump on that 2005 tape in which he seems to be boasting about sexually assaulting women, i can't imagine you found that anything other than shocking and horrifying. >> i agree with you. i think that most of america, including donald trump, saw those comments to be horrifying. i think that's why he came out and apologized and tried to show that he knows that that was wrong. he admitted it was. and wants to move forward and talk about the issues that matter. hopefully, we'll be able to do that. >> a lot of people didn't find the apology as particularly sincere. first off, he said he apologized if anyone was offended, as opposed to apologizing for his actions. and then in his tape, his videotape, after saying he was sorry, he pivoted and started --
he called the tape a distraction and started attacking the clintons. that's not really contrition, right? i mean, you're a devout christian. that wouldn't pass the test at your church. >> well, actually, i think it would. i mean, a big part of getting forgiveness is asking for it. that's the very first step as a christian. i think that's what he did by coming out in front of the american people, in his own voice, in his own person. he said in front of a camera, asked the american people and said, i was wrong. and i apologize. i'm not really sure how else you can admit fault there than the way he did it, and to ask for forgiveness from the american people and women. he talked to his wife melania. if there is any female that should be more upset than anybody, it's her. i know they've talked about this. >> how about the women he apparently assaulted? how about the women he apparently groped without their permission. should he apologize to them? >> i think he did in the
statement. i think that was the point of the statement. let's not forget, too, i mean, you talked about being a christian. both of these candidates are flawed. there is no perfect person. >> we're all sinners. absolutely, we're all sinners. no question about that. >> i think you're doing a disservice to the american people by focusing the last 30 days of this election on nothing more than the flaws of the different candidates personalities, because they both have a lot, and that's not something that we can sit up here and debate. let's not spend the next 30 days debating who did what wrong. let's talk about the future of our country. who is going to make it better? who is going to help the economy? who is going to protect our borders? who is going to build up national security? when we talk about those things, we know it's not hillary clinton because she's been trying to do it for 30 years. she has failed every single time. >> sarah, boasting about sexually assaulting women is not a flaw, you know. >> i agree with that. i'm not going to defend those comments, jake. >> you know. >> i agree with you
wholeheartedly. >> i mean, i think -- >> there is nothing right. it is disgusting and wrong. >> how many women did he do this to? has he apologized to the women? >> has hillary clinton apologized to the four american lives that were lost in benghazi? the mistakes that donald trump made are horrific. >> clinton -- >> hold on. trump's mistakes are disgusting and i won't defend his comments. however, none of the comments he made put national security at risk and american lives have not been lost because of the mistakes he made. the mistakes that hillary clinton has made have cost us american lives. if she becomes president, i can only expect that will continue to happen. that's why i continue to support donald trump, and i hope other americans will, as well. >> sarah huckabee sanders, thanks for being here. hope you have a good debate. still ahead, hillary clinton will have some explaining of her own this evening. answering questions about this latest e-mail hack. likely navigating attacks on her husband's past, as you heard. we'll talk about that next.
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we're live from washington university in st. louis. all the parents out there spending a lot of money sending these kids to school. this is what they're doing instead of studying, just so you know. they're engaged in the civic process. we're hours from round two of an epic dual between hillary clinton and donald trump. let's bring in our panel of opinion leaders. former philadelphia mayor and clinton supporter, michael nutter is with us. trump supporter andre bauer. trump supporter and political commentator, jeffrey lord. if you were advising mr. trump tonight, what would you say? what should he say to address this horrific tape? >> some version of the checker speech. >> the nixon of 1952? >> okay. just admit your responsibility
and apologize. asking for forgiveness is good. in a country with lots of god fearing people in it. and then move on. move on quickly. get on with it. >> one of the things that the trump people acknowledge is not getting as much attention as they would like because of this horrific tape is this new wikileaks hack which went into the clinton campaign files and got what they claim to be copies of her goldman sachs speeches. in one of them, it showed comments in 2013 about her dream of open trade and open borders. different from the policies that she's talked about on the stump. i asked tim kaine, her running mate, about that this morning. take a listen. >> senator, i mean, first of all, are you disputing the accuracy of this? did clhillary clinton not say t the brazilian bankers there was this dream? >> jake, i have no way of knowing the accuracy of documents dumped by this hacking
organization. but i think it is really important. this hacking has been connected, much of the hacking has been connected to the russian government. yesterday, the director of national intelligence indicated that this kind of hacking has been traced directly to the russian government, and there is a direct intent to influence the outcome of an american election. if that is, in fact, true, you cannot accept as gospel truth everything they might put in a document. but you didn't ask about the document but what hillary clinton's position was. >> right, that's fair. is this document then, is it accurate? did she tell brazilian bankers her dream -- >> i have no way of knowing that. >> well, you could ask her. >> but the documents are in the thousands. i haven't asked her. you asked me about her position on trade. her position on trade is very clear. >> what about her position on borders? she says her dream, in the document, her dream is
hemisphere of common market with open borders. is that something in the clinton-kaine administration we'd see, open borders? >> we believe in comprehensive immigration reform that would, with the pillars we've described, where we'd have more border security. i voted for significant investments of border security in june of 2013 and continue to believe that's part of a comprehensive immigration reform plan, along with the value of keeping families together and providing a path to citizenship for those who work hard, play by the rules and pay taxes. >> if the election were in two days from now, that might cut it, but the election is 29, 30 days from now. they'll have to come up with a better answer about whether or not the documents are real. >> well, i think getting beyond whether they're real or not and all the hacking, et cetera, that's what debates are for. that's what a campaign is for. first of all, hillary clinton's position on trade, on immigration, on the security of
our borders is very, very clear and has been clear for a long time. or you can go to the website and read about it. or i assume someone is probably going to ask about it this evening. so we can hear it directly from secretary clinton, as opposed to bits and pieces of hacked documents. why don't we just ask her? >> well, that's what i suggested to the vice president -- or would be vice president kaine. >> andre, this issue of trade is one of the issues -- and immigration, these are issues that donald trump has been able to win over a lot of white working class voters, appealing to them, saying she wants open borders and that she is a free trad trader. she'll sell out their jobs for trade. these documents, i suspect, will be a trump campaign talking point from now until election day. >> they should be. you know, they also see in her speeches where she says, look, you have to have one public and one private position. her positions don't line up with what she's talked about. she's told a group of voters one
thing and done something else. or gone to a group of funders and said, i really am going to do something vastly different. whether you look at tpp or immigration, there is a multitude of thing and a track record that don't meet the rhetoric. the question tonight is, can trump effectively expose those, much like mike pence did, or is he going to let her get under his skin? >> look, i think the -- before the video of donald trump saying those horrible things, the pressure on him to perform well tonight was severe. he was, you know, lagging in the polls. but the bar was still pretty low for him. basically, all he needed to do to perform well was not take the bait that hillary clinton was offering and to stay on message. i think now, the bar post video is sky high for him. he's going to have to be pitch perfect on his apology. and also, prove that he is fit to be president of the united states of america. that's a difficult thing for a
really good, experienced politician. for someone like him, i think it is almost impossible. so i don't think the wikileaks is going to make a huge impact tonight. >> jeffrey, do you think the fact that these leaks came, in all likelihood, because of hacks by the russian government or directed in some way, do you think that affects how voters hear the information? >> no. i think that anything, you know -- thinking back to the video of her health problem there, it doesn't matter who took it or who did it. >> she had pneumonia. >> like edward snowden, everyone wants to discuss snowden. the fact of the matter is things are out there for better or worse. i'd argue worse. in this case, i don't think it matters. it's a separate issue, who did it. the fact she said whatever in the wikileaks is what's going to kou count. up next, the one-on-one interview with rudy giuliani.
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from washington university. wash u, washington university in st. louis, the site of tonight's cnn presidential town hall style debate. the big issue looming over tonight's debate is the fallout over donald trump vulgar remarks about women. surfaced, a 2005 video tape that "washington post" broke on friday. i spoke with trump surrogate and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. he tried to defend the remarks. >> he went on attack against the clintons, and i think a lot of people thought, boy, this doesn't feel like an apology to me. >> well, first of all, it was an apology. that was -- he definitely apologized. i know from talking to him that he genuinely feels very sorry about this. it's certainly not the views that he holds today. he's run for public office. he spent the last year and a half traveling around the country. he realizes the responsibility that he has to the people that
follow him and believe that we have to make a change in the country. >> he's talking about actions that are sexual assault. he was 59 or 60 years old when he said it. this wasn't something he said when he was 18 years old. he's talking about a feeling of entitlement because he is a star. he can go up to women and grab them by the vagina and it's okay, he won't get in trouble for it. it's really offensive on just a basic human level. >> yes, it is. >> who did he do that to? >> first of all, i don't know that he did it to anyone. this is talk. gosh almighty, you know, he who hasn't sinned, throw the first stone here. i know some of the people -- >> i will gladly tell you, mr. mayor, i have never said that. i have never done that. i'm happy to throw a stone. i don't know any man -- i've been in locker rooms. i've been a member of a fraternity. i've never heard any man ever brag about being about to mull women because they get away with it.
never. >> we've taken it to an extra degree. in any event, it's an extra degree of what he said. the fact is men, at times, talk like that. not all men, but men do. >> you've talked like that? >> i am not justifying it. i believe it's wrong. i know he believes it's wrong. i believe this is not the man we're talking about today. maybe the reference to bill clinton and hillary clinton is the fact that you're really upset about this, but gosh almighty, there were awful lot of to things, particularly hillary clinton attacking the women who bill clinton sexually assaulted, sexually abused, and she was the leader of the attack against them. so maybe he felt that that at least put in context, the kind of anger there would be at him. >> mayor giuliani told us we can expect another apology from donald trump when he and hillary clinton face off this evening here at wash u in st. louis. i'm back with my full panel.
donald trump remaining defiant today. he tweeted, so many self-righteous hypocrites. watch their poll numbers go down. i suppose, david, what does that suggest how he's going to deal with this not just this evening but over the next month? >> a short contrition and a very long attack. you know, i think he's clearly -- the man has been brooding and has a lot of grievances inside. he's angry at the world right now. i think we're going to sew the come out. i don't think he can help himself. >> the truth of the matter, campaigns are great tests for the presidency. david axelrod sees the campaign as an mri into the soul. this is a crisis. how he handles this says something about how he'd be president. >> it's fair to say a lot of people will look at it that way.
i think there is a backlash building here on that. a lot of people feel that the establishment, however you want to describe this, the establishment, the political class, the media writ large, are out to bring him down. and whoever leaked this in the first place was of a mind to do just that, and all the rest follows in place. and i know that there are a lot of people that believe that. furthermore, they also believe that if he were not the nominee and were any of the other 16 candidates, some version of this would be happening to them. this is a standard that goes at least back to goldwater, when they said once he was done nominated the week of the convention, cbs reported on air that he was going to germany and he was going to stay in adolph hitler's old house. truly, till the day he died, he was mad about that. >> wouldn't you argue if this were not donald trump, any other candidate would be gone? >> right. >> somebody on twitter said, what would it be for marco rubio? he paid a water bill late in
1985. >> he had the credit card issue. >> i'm falling asleep saying it. >> don't forget, this is an avalanche that is of trudonald tru trump's own making. it started weeks ago when you talked about alislisessia macha not releasing his taxes. how many taxes does he pay? then you get to the video tape. there is this drip, drip. >> gloria is right. to jeff's point, everything the trump folks complain about, this vast, i guess now left-wing con spear -- conspiracy, against donald trump are self-inflicted. every challenge, every one of his problems is inflicted upon himself by himself. he said that. to the former mayor's point, real men don't talk like that. they don't talk about women in that way.
they don't let someone call their daughter a piece of. >> a-s-s, right. >> whatever. real men don't do that. >> he has to accept it and acknowledge it. it's his own fault. >> the flip side of that, gloria, is what republicans like about donald trump is he fights back. >> yes. >> they believe that mitt romney, john mccain and a string of these people get attacked thusly, and they more or less whi wimp out on the thing. >> that's why this format tonight will be so fascinating. because he's not in front of his adorable crowds when he's going to have to explain this for the first time. he's going to be in front of undecided voters. we're going to see tons of reaction shots. i mean, this is a very difficult task that he has ahead of himself tonight, to both recover from the first debate, and explain why people should still vote for him after the tape. >> andre, one of the things that might be interesting is whether voters are asking about this or
whether or not they're asking about how they're going to pay off their student loans and how they're going to get a job when the factory closes. >> right. >> and how they're going to afford health care. >> hillary clinton has a lot of practice at this. i was reading she's done about 60 of these around the world. she's taken unbelievable questions, and she's been very good at responding to them. this is donald trump's chance to get things back on track. really, he has to watch how he rolls his eyes, carries himself. does he show empathy? he's got to be the salesman he's been so long. tonight is the tonight. he's on primetime and has to make it happen. >> mark, can he do it? >> i've done several town halls with donald trump. he has a difficult time actually interacting with the audience. not that he is hostile toward them, but it's not what he does on a regular basis. oftentimes, like tonight, for instance, let's put aside what he says. let's see how his body language is. let's see if he gets out of the chair and approaches the person who asks the question and tries
to connect, like bill clinton did. not that hillary clinton is fantastic. >> i don't think she is. >> better than he is. >> this format is going to be a test for donald trump. if he gets tough questions from the audience members, real voters, it'll be very hard for him to go to his go-to excuse for doing poorly. that is that the moderators were tougher on me than hillary. he's going to be talking with real voters, not journalists. >> i'm going to come back to this, jake, it's a challenge for donald trump and an opportunity for hillary clinton. it's a reason they've been off the air since friday morning. they want everyone to see this. she has a chance to almost double her five or six points up tonight. she is a major opportunity for her to possibly take back the senate through this. if she does that, she can govern much more effectively. that's the name of the game. >> what she's going to try to do, i'm told, is try and actually bring this to a conversation we haven't had much
in the past, which is how is this going to affect you? how is this election going to affect you? voters, i presume, are going to be asking questions about how this election will affect them. their pocketbook. who is better equipped to handle the fight on terror? you know, they can fight about each other all they want, but i think the person who is going to do well in the debate is the one who can make the case to the american people they're actually listening to their concerns. >> like a normal, rational, sane person. >> we haven't had that. >> discussions with real people. >> wasn't it bill clinton who did the pivot better than anyone? you can talk about these issues by i want to talk about you. >> she is going to turn everything about this videotape into a question about whether he's got the temperament and the steadiness and the ability to govern. >> bring it back to the people asking the question. >> right. >> exactly. >> bill was good at that. >> thank you, all. stay with cnn for tonight's presidential town hall, hosted
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welcome back. the presidential candidates are facing off later today here in st. louis. in a few hours, it's going to look a little different than most debates. no standing behind podiums this evening. it is the town hall format, with questions not only from the moderators, but from people in the audience, actual voters. could be a looser event, considered more personal. that setting does not suit every candidate. joining me live from baltimore, former maryland governor and one-time democratic candidate for president, martin o'malley. you faced hillary clinton on the debate stage. talk about the town hall format and talk about whether you think hillary clinton, what you think about her performances as a debater, having faced off against her several times. >> yeah, i found hillary clinton to be a very formidable debater.
i mean, she is -- has such a command of the issues. i think tonight, it is a huge opportunity for her. there has been so much throughout this campaign about donald trump and not about -- not enough about us. namely, moms and dads around their kitchen table, trying to figure out how they're going to pay their bills, how they're going to send their kids to college. i think hillary clinton has an opportunity tonight really to make this about us. sure, she'll have to rebut things that donald trump says, but she can make this about the second half of our economic recovery, which is making wages go up for families across the united states. i think she's going to do very well. this is a huge opportunity for her. >> given you think she should focus on the voters and their needs, health care, jobs, the economy, college tuition, student loans, et cetera, how do you think she should fit in, if at all, her response to the remarks that came out on that
tape of donald trump's from 2005? >> well, she is a person who certainly does not retire or back away from this sort of disgusting behavior, that super predator, bragidoser. i think this is a watershed moment for democrats across the country. any republican who refuses to repudiate donald trump will not have a place in the republican party. >> you were critical of hillary clinton when it came to her coziness with wall street during the primaries. this wikileaks hack of her speeches to goldman sachs suggests she's saying things to wall street bankers that are different from the rhetoric she uses on the campaign trail. right now, the campaign strategy from the clinton team seems to be call into question whether the documents are real. once they get past that stage,
how do you think she should respond? >> well, look, we had a rigorous debate in the democratic party about the wall street crash and who was responsible. i think that most everybody assumed that because she did not release the transcripts of those remarks, that they won't terribly be shocked that they say things that purported to say by these russian hackers. but secondly, i do believe that people understand that this election is about the future and not about the past. and i also believe that people are starting to wake up to the fact that russians are trying to ber fe interfere with this election, break into the dnc headquarters, into her campaign, and i think that's actually going to be a bigger story than what hillary clinton said to wall street interests that everybody knows she represented for years. >> one of the things she says though in one of the documents
is if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. so you need a public and a private position. isn't that exactly what so many democrats, especially bernie sanders supporters and martin o'malley supporters, didn't care for about hillary clinton? >> well, yeah, sure. i mean, i'm not smart enough to have a public and private position myself. but i do believe that we're down now to two candidates. hillary clinton is not running against the almighty. she's running against the alternative, who admitted and bragged about sexually assaulting women and who was the most unqualified candidate that the republican party has ever put forward. so look, i think also one other thing, jake, is i think it is hard to establish a standard for openness and transparency against an opponent like donald trump, who received millions from the russian regime for his business interests, and refuses
to even release his tax returns. so this is down to a contest between two kand it candidates. clearly, hillary clinton is superior to this other guy. >> you spent a lot of time in iowa as a candidate for president. now, polls have donald trump winning in iowa. what is your message to those iowans who clearly think that donald trump will be more of a voice, more of a populous voice for them than hillary clinton will be? >> jake, i've lost ya. >> all right. governor o'malley, i apologize if we're having problem with our sound systems. happens in live tv so much. somebody will convey, thank you very much. stay with cnn for tonight's presidential town hall, hosted by anderson cooper and also martha raddatz. the candidates face off at 9:00 p.m. eastern. we'll take a quick break and will be right back.
happening now, hillary clinton and donald trump, they meet in st. louis for the second presidential debate. >> good afternoon, wolf. trump begins this debate on the defensive after a toxic video emerged friday night. that's the fair word to describe it. he's heard making extremely crude comments about women, all the way back in 2005, wolf. >> hillary clinton won the first debate, erin, on points. can trump battle back and win the score or will clinton win this as well and put trump's campaign in serious jeopardy? >> there is so much at stake tonight. i'm erin burnett. >> i'm