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tv   At This Hour With Berman and Bolduan  CNN  October 13, 2016 8:00am-9:01am PDT

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hello, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. in just a short while donald trump will stand on a stage in west palm beach, florida. the question is, is he standing on the precipice? how does he handle the flood of new accusations of unwanted, inappropriate kissing and touching? what will he say? can he survive? just a short time ago he tweeted this. phony story in the failing "new york times" is a total fabrication written by same
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people as last discredited story on woman. watch. >> so two women told the "new york times" that trump touched them inappropriately and without their consent. one in 2005, the other more than 30 years ago. cnn has not been able to independently confirm their accounts. they spoke to the paper on the record saying they came forward after this moment in sunday's debate. watch this. >> just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> so for the record, you're saying you have never did that? >> frankly, you hear these things. they're said. and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> women have respect for me. i will tell you, no, i have not. >> no, i have not. that's the key there. and there's more. a "people" magazine writer now says trump basically forced himself on her at his palm beach
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estate while she was writing a story about his one-year wedding anniversary to melania trump. trump tweeted about that one as well. why didn't the writer of the 12-year-old article in "people" magazine mention the quote unquote, incident in her story? because it did not happen. trump says. that's all his tweets this morning are about. the senior editor of "people" magazine, charlotte trigg, is here with us. we will talk to her in just one moment. first we want to get to more of the details on these latest allegations, all to surface overnight with cnn national politics reporter m.j. lee. bring our viewers up to speed, please. >> these are absolutely devastating allegations that are being made against donald trump. just overnight, just days after as you mentioned he specifically told anderson cooper on the debate stage that he never touched or kissed women without their consent. i want to walk through some of the allegations in the "new york times" story. the first woman, jessica leeds, she is now 74 years old, she
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says that more than 30 years ago she was seated next to donald trump on the airplane and that trump lifted his arm set and began to touch her. take a listen to the disturbing way in which she describes that exchange. >> his hands were all over me. he started encroaching on my space and i hesitate to use this expression, but i'm going to, and that is he was like an octopus. it was like he had six arms. he was all over the place. he started putting his hand up my skirt and that was it. >> the second woman in the "new york times" story, rachel crooks, was a receptionist at a real estate company in trump tower and she's alleging that in 2005 she bumped into donald trump outside of an elevator and here's how the "new york times" describes that encounter. they shook hands but mr. trump would not let go, she said, instead he began kissing her cheeks, then she said he kissed me directly on the mouth.
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now, the bad news actually doesn't end there. we also heard from a former miss teen usa winner. she is now making a different kind of allegation. she says she met trump for the first time when she was 17 years old and here's what she wrote on twitter last night. she says as the first woman of color to win the title in almost a decade, i was forewarned prior to meeting him that mr. trump doesn't like black people so don't take it the wrong way if he isn't extremely welcoming towards you. if he is, then you must be the type of black that he likes. now, donald trump of course is rejecting these allegations in the "new york times" story as well as in "people" magazine. that is not going to stop the controversy from swirling around, especially now the flood gates seem to have opened and the trump campaign, what they should be very concerned about right now is just wondering how many more shoes are going to drop today. >> mj lee, thanks.
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want to bring in charlotte triggs from "people" magazine. it was a "people" magazine writer, natasha stoynoff who wrote that in 2005, donald trump made unwanted advances on her. can you hear me right now? >> yes, i'm sorry we're having technical issues. >> do you hear me? that's great. why don't you explain to me how natasha stoynoff came forward to you, came forward to the magazine with this story of what happened 11 years ago? >> natasha worked for us in the 2000s. she left the magazine in 2009. honestly, after having seen the debate in which he denied ever actually acting upon the things he said, forcibly kissing and groping women, she felt a moral obligation to come forward and she actually wrote her essay for us detailing what did happen back in 2005, and you know, it's really a pretty damning account. >> it is. she goes through it in her own words. i do want to know what was the conversation within "people"
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magazine when natasha came forward, when she wrote this account about putting it out? how did those conversations go amongst the editors at the magazine? >> well, this is not something that anybody took lightly. this is something very serious that we take extremely seriously, and you know, what can i say. i don't want to get too much into the internal conversations and stuff like that, but we vetted it fully and we absolutely stand by her. >> so donald trump just tweeted a short while ago why did the writer of the 12-year-old article in "people" magazine mention the incident in her story. he says because it did not happen. now, this tweet is unclear to me because in the story that just came out overnight, she goes into great detail about what happened. maybe he means in the initial story 12 years ago. either way, you stand by this account, yes? >> yes. here's the thing. in the essay she wrote for us, she explains why she didn't talk about it at the time. because she didn't want to be exposed to the retaliation that she knew she was going to get from him. at the time he was a hugely
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powerful tv star and business mogul and she knew that if she were to come forward with unflattering allegations against him, that she would be in for it herself and he would retaliate against her. and that was not something she wanted to expose herself to. she wanted to just go about her professional life and continue her career and just go about her business without this affecting her life. so she only told a trusted colleague and friend. she never brought it up the chain. so this was not something that was ever discussed. she didn't want to kill the story because she didn't want to deal with the ramifications at the time. >> so charlotte, one of the lines in here, it's deeply personal account, she says we walked into a room alone, trump shut the door behind us, i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. she ends the piece in her words saying talk is talk, but it wasn't just talk in my case. it was very much action. when you read this, when you heard her tell you the account, what did you think? >> you know, it's deeply
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upsetting to hear that this happened to someone, especially our trusted colleague. and you know, she really was very shaken up by this. she was terrified about the potential ramifications of it and the potential fallout. you know, everything else that she went through, where she says that he waited for her at her massage appointment and that as melania was walking into the interview he said to her you know we're going to have an affair, right, and i will take you out to get a steak. he really intimidated her just by sheer virtue of how casual he was about it and it didn't seem to affect him at all. he did this as his wife who was pregnant was upstairs getting changed. >> the magazine has covered donald trump for a long time, before, during and after this story came out, 2005. have you heard other accounts like this in the years that you have been covering him? >> you know, donald trump's attention to women's appearances is something we have always been aware of. when i interviewed him myself, i
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saw that first-hand. but i don't think that anyone was aware -- >> how? how? >> -- of any such aggressive notions. he just remarked on my appearance when i came to interview him. but it was relatively benign and it was something we published in our story at the time. but you know, any such aggressive details as what natasha is describing in her story and what other women are coming forward to describe, these are things that are, you know, are new to us as i think these women are feeling a moral obligation to come forward and tell their stories. >> charlotte, you talk about how natasha feared the ramifications of her coming out. donald trump is now threatening to sue over allegations like this, specifically threatening the "new york times." is "people" magazine concerned about legal jeopardy here? >> we absolutely stand by our story and we stand by natasha. >> what do the trump team tell you, there is a statement from hope hicks in this article. what is their response? >> we went to the trump team last night with the information
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that would be in the story and they denied it and they questioned why it hadn't been reported at the time but as we discussed, there were various reasons why the reporter didn't want to expose herself to this type of scrutiny and these types of -- this type of retaliation back in 2005. >> charlotte triggs, thanks so much for joining us. senior editor for "people" magazine. really appreciate it. as all this is really happening overnight and so much is happening just this morning. so how does this shake out in just the next 20 plus days until the election? let's discuss. let's bring in cnn's political director, david chalian. david, not only do you have new allegations coming out overnight. you also have donald trump set to speak in the next 60 minutes for the first time since this has all come out. he's taken to the twitter feed but he will actually be taking to a microphone. he was lighting up twitter this morning attacking these accounts from these publications and these new accusations. i feel like we ask you the same question, but it's the question to ask, where is the campaign right now?
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>> well, the campaign is with donald trump, you know, flailing a bit here. and clearly, knocked back on his heels, clearly on defense and closing off paths to 270 electoral votes. that's where we are in the campaign today. that's not a projection of where we will be 26 days from now. but listen, you know, kate and john, you look at the map as much as i do if not more, part of donald trump's mission to win the white house is trying to convert some democratic-leaning territory into his corner. that's his path. because just winning the battleground states is not enough. so how do you do that? well, you start appealing to suburban women in places like the counties around philadelphia if you are serious about winning pennsylvania. i can't imagine that these stories this week are going to help adding suburban women to donald trump's vote total. he's now mired in a place
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[ inaudible ] that i don't see how he's adding the voters in the places he needs to add them to get to the promised land. >> funny you should mention that. there's a new poll out from bloomberg news that has hillary clinton up nine points in the state but in the philadelphia suburbs, she's up 28 points. that is a chasm right there. college educated whites to a certain extent are a big problem for the trump campaign. it's stories like this, it just has to make it very difficult to make up any ground. >> there's no doubt. my god, 28 points. that's -- democrats win the state of pennsylvania by being competitive and driving up the vote in philadelphia and pittsburgh. that's not being competitive. if you are trouncing in the counties and donald trump has no suburban appeal there outside of philadelphia, and i think you're right, specifically with college educated whites, this becomes an improbable, impossible, just math equation to win a state
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like that. point to me the other state on the map. we have a new poll out of michigan this morning that shows him down 11 points. we saw wisconsin yesterday, he was down seven. where, what territory that is currently leaning hillary clinton's way is he actually making progress in? and i don't think as we know, we have heard that the plan is to just go after bill clinton harder. i don't know that that is going to be the answer here if these allegations continue to come out day after day for the next three and a half weeks. >> you get exactly to kind of the most basic question. you have already been kind of touching on it. but when you look at 26, 27, 20 plus days out, can you win without addition? >> no. not if you're sitting at 37% nationally. that's not enough. you need to add. and it's adding the voters in the right states that can actually alter the electorate for you. this is not to say that he does not have a fired-up,
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enthusiastic base. >> right. >> i don't believe these allegations are going to take a single die-hard trump supporter away from him. what we have seen now time and again, there's a pattern here in the general election context. when these controversies erupt, some of the independent republican-leaning independents and more establishment republicans who have sort of been holding their nose to support trump, they are the first ones to flee. his number goes down. then let's say he has a debate performance where he really takes it to hillary clinton, even though he was not viewed the winner of that debate in our poll, some republicans felt a little heartened like okay, maybe we can make it through the final four weeks, they come back a little bit, his number goes up a little bit. that swing back and forth, losing some leaning republicans, then getting them back, that's not adding to what you need to win the race. >> again, there is a problem that now exists because of the debate, because of what donald trump told andserson cooper whe asked if he touched or kissed anyone unwantedly. he said no, i never did that. now you have story after story after story which if true,
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people say disproves that. that will follow him in the days ahead. thanks for being with us. >> thanks, guys. new this morning, the trump campaign says it will reportedly go nuclear on bill clinton in response to these allegations, including trying to turn bill clinton into bill cosby. hear what happened behind doors at trump headquarters. plus as trump continues his all-out war against clinton and his own party, what does it moon for control of congress? paul ryan speaking very soon. a short time from now, donald trump, looking at live pictures from west palm beach, florida. donald trump will be taking the stage for the first time since the new wave of allegations of him groping women unwantedly have come to light. we will dip in live when he takes the stage.
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donald trump is now clearly and very much openly fighting on two fronts in his battle for the white house. one is the obvious, against democrats and hillary clinton. >> we should say that donald trump will speak for the first time since this latest round of allegations, these new accusations from women saying that he advanced on them with unwanted kisses or touching. he will speak in a few minutes. we will take that event live. this is all happening at house
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speaker paul ryan is raising new questions about the effects of the trump candidacy. cnn's manu raju joins us from washington. we understand there was some kind of fund-raising call last night where ryan, paul ryan, the speaker, raised new alarms. what was he saying? >> reporter: that's right. he actually has this monthly call with top donors and supporters. i was told by a donor that was on that call that ryan was worried about the house majority. he noted full well that during the democratic wave in 2008, john mccain lost by seven points and democrats picked up even more seats in the house. now you look at what's happening now. nationally, donald trump is losing anywhere between nine and 11 points and the fear is that this could be a significant democratic wave in the house, leading to a net pickup of the 30 seats the democrats need to take back the house majority. now, it is still an uphill climb for democrats but one that ryan is nervous about. ryan also told the donors last night he had no intention of getting in a war with donald
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trump by saying he was not going to defend donald trump. he was concerned flatly about the house and senate majority but as we know, donald trump viewed that a bit differently. >> i would say so. look no further than every interview he's done since and every time he's seen a microphone or his phone to tweet. so since the video came out, since all of this, you now have republicans and this strange thing happening. after the "access hollywood" video they fled donald trump, then facing backlash amongst their base voters, now kind of inching, walking back towards donald trump. what are you hearing here? what are they doing? hiding in place? what's happening? >> reporter: yeah. this is just the bind that republicans have been in all year long. they needed those donald trump supporters to come to the polls in november but at the same time, they didn't want to embrace what donald trump is saying and especially in light of that "access hollywood" and the controversies, they didn't want to be anywhere near it. you have some republicans
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running for re-election like roy blunt of missouri, richard burr of north carolina and marco rubio of florida, still supporting donald trump even though they have their senate re-election races. others are in tough races like kelly ayotte of new hampshire, joe heck of nevada, they are running away from donald trump, rescinding endorsements. you have someone like pat toomey of pennsylvania, he won't say if he will vote for trump but repeatedly criticized him. then you have people like senator deb fischer of nebraska and john thune, who are not up for re-election but called on trump to step aside, then saying they would vote for trump anyway. it's very dizzying but this is basically what donald trump has done to the rest of the party. >> thune, a member of the senate republican leadership, the one that really kind of made the break after the video came out. it's really confounding and interesting. >> by the way, the back and forth all before the new range of accusations that came out overnight which only puts them in a weirder situation in congress right now. one worth watching. >> thank you, manu.
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so you see down at the bottom of the screen we are waiting to hear donald trump. he will be speaking live for the first time since the new allegations have come out. we will take you there when he does take the stage. looks like he has some warmup acts that always happen before the candidates speak happening right now. but trump is already taking out his fury on twitter and soon, it appears he's going to be taking out much more and focusing his fire much more on bill clinton. bloomberg is reporting that the trump campaign is about to go nuclear and roll out more of former -- more accusers of the former president. they called them new accusers. >> the campaign chief is reportedly saying, steve bannon, who is running the campaign, is reportedly saying we are going to turn him into bill cosby. joshua green is the national correspondent of bloomberg business week. he broke this story. he joins us now. josh, explain to us this new strategy. the piece ends with a really fun line here. an adviser telling you we are going to go buck wild. what is buck wild?
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>> i don't have any idea. it sounds like spring break. but the strategy here, this story broke last night. yesterday throughout the day i was talking to trump people who said we have a whole raft of new women who have come forward since trump has started making these attacks against bill and hillary clinton for enabling sexual violence. the campaign strategist told me we are going to be rolling them out shortly. just as we were publishing our story last night on bloomberg politics, "new york times" released its story with new accusations against trump. we now have, i think we are up into the double digits of new women coming forward accusing trump of sexual improprieties. i think what you're looking at is the trump campaign's effort to fight back, to be on the offensive, to be the aggressors rather than just get nibbled to death by these stories like we're seeing in the "times" and elsewhere. >> on the new accusers from bill clinton's past, this would be a very big deal. did they give you any sense of
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who, how many, when, why they have been waiting until now? >> no. they didn't. i think that's an important distinction. we have had by my count, anyway, ten women come forward publicly to accuse trump since i published that story last night, we have had zero women come forward to accuse hillary or bill clinton of anything. so right now, these are threats from the trump campaign in the same way that trump is threatening to sue the "new york times" and other people. they have produced nothing. i talked to a trump adviser this morning who said well, we were thinking about rolling these women out next week in conjunction with the next debate. maybe we'll move up that timeline. again, as of now, they have produced nothing. >> joshua, do you get the sense there's unity within trump world on this? there's a lot of people referring to statements that steve bannon made in your piece overnight. is this being driven by bannon of breitbart fame or is kellyanne conway, rudy giuliani,
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is everyone on board with this? >> well, if you read my story, there are two unnamed advisers describing bannon's interactions or describing his instructions in private meetings. you can take that as you would like to. certainly if you look at trump's inner circle of bannon, dave bosse, kellyanne conway and reince priebus, they all seem to be pretty much on board with this. i would say that chris christie seems to have drifted out of the inner orbit a little bit. there doesn't seem to be a lot of conflict within trump's inner circle or within his bunker, maybe a better term for it, that this is the way to close out the campaign. this is the way to go after hillary clinton. they think this will depress enthusiasm among millenial women who clinton is counting on to win. so this apparently is trump's counter strategy to all these new accusations. >> joshua green, great story last night. i encourage everyone to read it. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> it lays out that things could
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be changing. >> again, donald trump getting ready to speak in a few minutes. we'll see if he starts doing it right now. one of the country's most famous evangelicals defending donald trump despite the tape from "access hollywood" and despite the new accusations against donald trump overnight, but students at his university, liberty university, revolting against jerry falwell, jr. he joins us live to respond. plus the trump campaign is pulling out of virginia. what does that mean? why are they pulling resources from there? where does that leave his electoral path to victory? we speak live with the virginia state director that the trump campaign just pushed out. we'll be right back. [ male ann] at customink, you can create custom t-shirts and other great products for all of life's events. get free shipping and on-time delivery guaranteed. ♪ start today at customink.com.
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woman after woman coming forward to accuse donald trump of unwanted kissing or touching. >> jessica leeds and rachel crooks telling the "new york times" they were both groped or kissed by trump. >> all of a sudden, his hands were all over me. he started putting his hand up my skirt. >> the trump campaign denying all the allegations. >> trump's lawyer says this whole thing is politically motivated. >> i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the pageant and therefore i'm inspecting it. >> he just came strolling right in. there was no second to put a robe on. >> i don't know how you want me to comment on it. you are looking at live pictures right now. that is from west palm beach, florida. in just a few minutes, donald trump will walk up to that microphone. this is the first time that he will speak out loud since woman after woman after woman came
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forward overnight with new allegations about unwanted kissing or touching. >> this as the donald trump campaign is now pulling resources out of the key state of virginia. this according to both the rnc and the trump campaign. let's talk about it all right now with cory stewart, the former campaign chairman from the state of virginia, mary katherine hamm, david brock, founder of the pro hillary clinton super pac correct the record. thanks so much for being here. we will keep an eye on that live picture at the bottom of the screen. mary katherine, new allegations coming out overnight. woman after woman after woman as john berman says. trump also then in response leveling threats against these publications, that lawsuits will be coming if they don't retract. where are we right now from your perspective? >> that is a great question. so look, i think it's tricky for the trump campaign, obviously. anyone who thought we were getting through october without
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spectacular oppo dumps on this guy who has been on mike for the last 25 years i think was crazy. so this should have been anticipated and the trump campaign looked like it didn't anticipate it because what was the argument they made before? it was they brought up bill clinton's very sordid past and tried to transfer it to hillary clinton, and for what? for the smearing of the women who came forward and made accusations. now the trump campaign is in a situation where they have to call all the women coming forward liars essentially is the tack they are taking which is the same thing they were accusing clinton of. it's a sticky situation to get out of. >> since mary katherine brought that up, david, let me put that to you. what about the inverse there? why should the public believe these women who have come forward when clinton supporters like yourself suggest the woman after woman after woman who came forward to make accusations about bill clinton shouldn't be believed the same way?
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>> i think because what we are seeing here is that donald trump is a dangerously unveted candidate. wasn't really vetted by his republican primary opponents, hasn't been fully vetted by the press, obviously, because we are seeing things like the tape from friday and we are seeing these new accusations. literally, with 20 something days out. now, on bill clinton's part, let's remember what happened in the 1990s. an independent counsel, ken starr, spent $80 million investigating every aspect of the clintons' lives including the personal, and found the charges without merit, that are still being bandied about by the right wing almost 20 years later. look, donald trump doubling down on trying to win this through the politics of scandal is going to end up in the same place they ended up the last time they tried this in the late 1990s with bill clinton's sky high approval ratings and hillary in the senate, only this time we will see hillary in the white house. >> just to be clear the independent counsel did find the accusations from paula jones
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unmerited. didn't make a ruling on those. so when you say he found them unwarranted that's not exactly accurate there. >> all those charges were considered and none of them were brought against the president. >> different than saying unmerited or unwarranted. >> cory, you are in an interesting position as well. you are still a very big donald trump supporter, the last i heard, but you were also just fired from the campaign for staging a protest outside the rnc having to do with something very separate from the allegations that obviously we are talking about right now. your thoughts on the allegations that are coming out overnight and how donald trump is handling it? >> well, i'm just very skeptical of these allegations. i'll tell you why. look, he's a well-known billionaire. if he had groped so many women over such a long period of time, don't you think they would have sued him instantaneously? that didn't happen. >> they have given reasons why they didn't. they have all given very sane reasons, separately, why they
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have not come forward. because what triggered them coming forward was donald trump saying to anderson cooper in the debate sunday i have not done any of that, and they said they thought that was a lie and that's why they thought it was time to come forward. that's why they're coming forward now. >> well, look, this is a lot of he said/she said. at the end of the day this is very much a beltway story or "new york times" story. the average person out there working hard is worried about the economy, worried about a lot more issues, not whether or not mr. trump did or said some gross things ten years ago. >> mary katherine, that makes my hair hurt. it does. you have the left saying you can't believe the accusers against the clintons. you have the right saying you can't believe the accusers against trump. i don't know what to make of it. >> let me relieve you by being in the middle and saying many of these women sound credible and have contemporaneous reports where they told friends and other people about this. they did not go to law enforcement, that is true, in the case of the trump things but
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the women for clinton and for trump seem credible because these men seem like they do these kind of things, that have a history of it, and donald trump, his problem as usual is of his own making because he said on tape these are the things that i do. so that does add credibility to the charges and him arguing that he's done nothing of the sort when he says on tape that he has is a problem. >> david, i want to get your take on this. we just had joshua green of bloomberg on. he said the trump campaign, they are going to go hard, they are going to go harder. they will try to turn bill clinton into bill cosby. are you concerned about that? with 20 plus days left? >> no. look, i think this is a giant projection effort on the trump campaign's part. we are seeing in just a matter of days all these new allegations against donald trump. i think they are trying to change the story and i think it's an act of desperation. politically, look, the trump campaign is not famous for doing any research, but research has been done by republican organizations on this issue and
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they find that it doesn't work. bill clinton is not on the ballot. people do not want to hold 20-year-old allegations against hillary clinton. it doesn't work politically either. so no, i don't think i'm concerned. we will believe when we see what they are going to produce, but you know, no. i don't think so. >> i agree with cory that people are interested in other things. i also agree with david that this is not going to work politically. donald trump will be talking about bill clinton. i don't think he's going to be talking about the other things people care about. we will have the opportunity to hear donald trump speak for the first time since all this has come out in just a few minutes. believe you me, everyone is very interested to hear exactly what the focus is when he comes out. guys, thank you very much for joining us. real appreciate it. so as we await donald trump to be speaking live, students at liberty university are now protesting their own school's president, jerry falwell, jr., over his continued support of donald trump. what they say in a letter they put out. he's here to respond next.
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thanks so much for being with us. you were on erin burnett last night and made a little bit of news. she asked you outright that if the allegations in the "new york times," these two women who accuse donald trump of inappropriate contact, if they were true, would you still vote for donald trump. you suggested the answer to that question was yes. do you still feel the same way this morning? >> i told her it was a hypothetical question. i couldn't answer a hypothetical question. that's like asking somebody if the candidate you support murdered somebody, would you still support them. >> these are actual allegations. no one's accusing donald trump of murdering anyone. these are women who have come forward on the record, on camera, making an allegation against donald trump. >> and there are al gilegations that the trump campaign categorically denied last night before i went on erin burnett's show. i talked to mr. trump later last night and he explained why they were not true. he just -- i think his statement will be very strong in a few
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minutes when he comes out. >> what did he say? how did he explain they were not true? >> he told me about e-mails that he had from these accusers who wanted to work for him afterwards, after the supposed event occurred. he told me about other e-mail evidence that supports the fact that it didn't happen. and i agree with what one of your other guests just a little while ago said, that donald trump's a billionaire. if this had happened, i have no doubt in my mind that the accusers would have brought suit many years ago and i just -- i don't -- that videotape that was released last week, i think there's a different donald trump now, unlike hillary. i believe all people are redeemable and i believe his life has changed. i believe he's a different person now. so that's why i'm still supporting him. >> don't want to get lost, do want to ask you about that, but that is very important what you just said. if donald trump told you last night that he has evidence that
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would be contrary to what these women have put forward, be very interested to see that and hopefully he will be putting that out. you have said this before, that donald trump is a changed man. you say he's even a different man than he was two or three years ago. when did this change happen? where is the evidence that makes you confident of that? >> i have seen his relationship up close with his family, with his employees. i have seen -- had long discussions with him. i have heard from people like dr. james dobson, one of the most respected evangelicals in the country the last four decades talk about how he is personally aware of a conversion to christianity by mr. trump and a rebirth experience. so i'm not sure when exactly it happened but donald trump, i think just interacting with the american people and seeing how much they are suffering and how
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much they have been betrayed by their leaders and the establishment, i think that in itself has had a big positive impact on him and i think he's gone from being a new york businessman, entertainer, to being a politician who is completely willing to sacrifice all of that to save the country and help the common man achieve great things in this nation. >> so you said betrayed. there are some students at your own university right now who say they feel betrayed. a group of liberty students put out a statement protesting your support of donald trump. let me read you some of it. it says we are liberty students who are disappointed with president falwell's endorsement and are tired of being associated with one of the worst presidential candidates in american his tore. it goes on, not only is donald trump a bad candidate for president, he is actively promoting the very things that we as christians ought to oppose. your response to your own students? >> we do have a small group, we have 15,000 students on campus.
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90,000 online students who are adults all over the country. we do have a small group of the never trump crowd on campus who would rather see hillary elected than donald trump. but that group, they claim to have 200 signatures, then they claimed they had 1200. i don't know what the number is. but i have received many, many tweets and messages from people who say i signed it and i'm not a student, i'm an alumni or i'm not affiliated with liberty at all. and some of the things they said in that statement are untrue. they said i have been traveling all over the country promoting trump and that i had somehow associated trump with liberty. i have always been careful to make it clear that my endorsement of trump is mine only. i'm not speaking for the university. but i also say this. i'm proud of those students because unlike a lot of ivy league schools, liberty university promotes free expression of ideas, promotes academic freedom and i'm proud
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of them for speaking their mind, for going against the grain. yesterday when michael -- when mike pence spoke at liberty he received thunderous applause when he talked about donald trump and it encouraged the students to vote for donald trump. he received five standing ovations so if there is a group that is embarrassed by my support of trump, it's very small in relation to the whole student population. but i am proud of them for being bold enough to speak. yeah, that's not true at a lot of ivy league schools where conservative students are scared to say what they think. >> jerry falwell, jr., thank you so much and thanks for coming on. >> he claimed that donald trump told him overnight and trump has e-mail evidence that some of the allegations against him either are not true or -- >> or there's more to the story than we know now, which -- we'd love to know more of any of the
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stories. >> we're standing by for donald trump speaking. will he, you know, reveal what he told jerry falwell jr. we'll see that. also, first lady michelle obama, she is going to speak in new hampshire. looking at live blurry pictures from that event in new hampshire. we will try to take that to you live. this is her first chance to respond to these new allegations. she being has always said when the trump campaign goes low, we go high. stay with us. a lot going on. from leaving me at a higher risk of stroke. that'd be devastating. i took warfarin for over 15 years until i learned more about once-daily xarelto... a latest generation blood thinner. then i made the switch. xarelto® significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin. warfarin interferes with vitamin k and at least six blood clotting factors. xarelto® is selective targeting one critical factor of your body's natural clotting function.
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live pictures right now from west palm beach, florida. this is where donald trump, his first time speaking out loud since this new wave of allegations of women accusing him of inappropriate touching or kissing over the years. >> here to weigh in on state of the race, where things stand right now with donald trump and the republican party, david friend, a writer for the conservative national review. earlier this year, he very seriously considered larging an independent bid to stop trump. david, it's good to see you. it's been a while. >> thanks so much for having me, i appreciate it. >> thank you. so we said it, you almost launched an independent bid which feels like four years ago
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at this point. because of the disdain for donald trump. with this wave of allegations overnight, the access hollywood video coming out, where do things stand right now? donald trump saying he's unshackled and he's going to war with everybody at the end of this campaign. what is this moment like for you? >> well, let's be clear about what this moment is. this moment isn't just a he said/she said, this moment is a he bragged/they affirmed. the similarities between what he said that he did to women and the reports that these women have come forward with, it's eerie. and, you know, what it's like for me to hear it, this shouldn't surprise anyone. it doesn't surprise me. this is an individual -- this is not like a, quote, family values politician who is caught living a double life. this is a guy who's proudly flouted christian morality for his entire life. and he's acting and these reports are consistent with the way he says that he acts. no one should be surprised.
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what is only surprising to me are the number of people, including very publicly prominent evangelicals like the guest you just had, who continue to support him, when they never would have supported a democrat, they never would have bought the democrat spin if someone on the democratic side had done what trump is reported to have done. >> so let's talk about that, win or lose for donald trump, how does the republican party and its various branchs, how does it reconcile itself after november 8th? >> you know, honestly, it's going to be difficult. a lot of it will depend honestly about how -- what is the margin. if trump loses by only a very small amount, which looks increasingly unlikely, it looks like it's going to be larger than smaller, then there's going to be an awful lot of people who blame, frankly, people like me and others like me who said we're not going to support trump and we're not going to support hillary clinton under any circumstances. if the gap is month larger, in many ways, it may be easier to
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get past this, because it will be easier to repudiate trumpism and who trump is. if the gap is wider, you're going to see an awful lot of republicans who are going to really emphasize how distant they were from trump and deemphasize how they said they voted for trump. but a lot will depend on the margin. >> maybe at this point when it comes to a lot of republicans and what they're -- how much distance they're putting between themselves and donald trump at this point. what do you say to those republicans who -- we've often asked what do you say to republicans who are backing trump. what do you say to the group of republicans who are in this position of they defected from trump after the "access hollywood" video came out and now they're inching their way back saying, now i am still endorsing? >> what is there to say to them? you have no one to blame but yourself. you're coming across as nothing but a political opportunist. not as a principled patriot but
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more like a golum grasping for the ring of power. this is what we're seeing again and again on the gop side here in this race, is people are sacrificing principle for the pursuit of power and then trying to cloak that naked pursuit of power in patriotism. and it just doesn't work. you can't sacrifice all of your principles and sacrifice all of the things you said you believe in and then claim that you're doing so for the side of virtue and what's right to protect the country. >> david french, for "the lord of the ring" reference, the one pundit to rule them all. >> you won that one, david, great to see you, thank you so much. >> any minute now, what could be a very -- likely a very big moment, with just 20-plus days left in this race, you're looking live at west palm beach florida. donald trump will taking to the stage very shortly speaking for the first time since these new groping allegations have surfaced. we will take you there live to hear what he has to say today. nope, it's lemonade.
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