tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 13, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
good evening. thanks for joining us. tonight an extended conversation with jessica leeds. in a different world you might know her as a single woman who raised two children while successfully navigating a mostly male sexiest workplace. you might know her as lady from the book club who writes letters to the editor and votes. however in this world right now jessica leeds, age 74 is known and will be known as one of several woman who have come forward and claimed donald trump kissed them or groped them without her consent. she is she says the woman who
when donald trump saw her again several years later called her that blank from the plane. only he didn't use the word blank. we'll play that interview in a moment. for his part trump tonight in cincinnati denies the allegations which he's claiming is a media conspiracy against him. he's promising to sue the "new york times", and seems to be suggesting another accuser a people magazine writer is too unattractive to grope. >> take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> donald trump is in cincinnati tonight. so is sara murray. what did donald trump say about the allegations today? >> reporter: so far tonight donald trump has not addressed this. but he was clearly very agitated by these allegaions as he was
campaigning across the country today. earlier today he said the allegations were totally and absolutely false. essentially called the women who lobbed the allegations against him liars and he's been questioning their credibility throughout the day. even appearing to suggest at one point that one of the women was not attractive enough to be worthy of his attention. now this is particularly interesting because it comes at a time when the trump campaign is arguing that all of the women who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct during the 1990s deserve to be believed. and not only that but that bill clinton as well as hillary clinton should be held accountable. we'll be listening to see if donald trump does bring up the allegations again here tonight or if he sticks to the issues as his campaign manager kellyanne conway says she hopes he will. >> thanks very much. now my conversation with jessica leeds who decided to come forward after seeing donald trump in the debate in st. louis answering this question. >> we received a lot of questions online about the tape
released on friday. you called what you said locker room banter, described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged that you sexual assaulted women. do you understand that? >> no, i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood what was said. this is locker room talk. i'm not proud of it. i apologize to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i'm not proud of it. but this is locker room talk -- >> mr. trump -- >> -- get on to much more important things and much bigger things. >> just for the record are you saying that what you said on that bus eleven years ago that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record you're saying you never did that. >> i said things that frankly you hear these things are said. and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things? >> women have respect for me.
and i will tell you, no i have not. >> jessica leeds concedes that what he's alleged happened a long time and you will also hear her say it left a mark. we spoke later today. so when was the first time you saw donald trump? >> i was on an airplane coming back to new york where my car was parked. and i was asked by the stewardess would i like to come up and sit in first class. >> where were you flying from? you know, -- 35 years ago. i believe it was dallas. i believe it was -- airlines, a 077. which is a much smaller airplane than flying today. i was asked would i like to come up to first class. brannive had great food. even in the coach section. but i came up and seated in the first aisle seat in the first row.
>> do you know why she picked you do come up? >> i'm sorry? >> do you know why the flight attendant picked you to come up? >> well i sort of made a judgment after the whole thing happened that the stewardess brought me up for entertainment value. that if i was entertaining mr. trump, then he was out of her hair. i'm making that assessment, again. >> right. >> but he introduced himself. i think we shook hands. >> did you know who he was? >> i did not know donald trump from a hole in the wall. i did not know new york. i did not know new york real estate. this was in 1979. so, no. i was unaware. but as i said, he introduced himself, donald trump. i sat down. they served very nice dinner, or meal. and after it was all cleared, why, then he became inappropriate.
>> i think you said in the "new york times" article he asked if you were married. >> yes, he did, he did. and i wasn't. at that time. i had two kids to take care of but i was divorced. >> and were you talking during the meal? >> yeah we were chatting back and forth and it was very innocuous. generalities. it was nothing -- i -- he wasn't flirting. and i don't think i was flirting. we were just talking. >> and then the meal finished. >> and then the meal finished and the stewardess cleared away the dishes and everything else like that. and it was like suddenly he's like encroaching on my side of the seat. and his hands were everywhere. >> did he say anything? >> no. and i didn't either. >> you didn't say anything? >> i didn't say anything. >> you say his hands were everywhere. can you be specific?
>> well, he was grabbing my breasts. and trying to turn me towards him, and kissing me. and then after a bit, that is when his hands starting going -- i was wearing a skirt. and his hands starting going towards my knee and up my skirt. and that is when i said i don't need this. and i got up. >> is that literally what you said? >> i don't know if i said it out loud or -- >> what you were thinking -- >> i do remember thinking the guy in the other seat, why doesn't he say something? >> could other people see. >> the guy in the seat across the aisle could see. and i kept thinking well maybe the stewardess is going to come and he'll stop. but she never came. >> do you know how long that went on for? >> not real long. no. no. i would say it was just about, what, 15 minutes. that's long enough. >> that's a long time. >> yeah.
>> did he actually kiss you? >> yeah. yeah. >> on the face? on the lips? >> all -- wherever he could find a landing spot, yes. >> and 15 minutes is a very long time. >> well, you know, it seemed like forever. so -- but i got up, got my bag and i went back to the coach section. and i went all the way back to the tail of the airplane. the last seat in the last aisle. and sat down. and when the plane landed, i made sure that i was the last person off the plane. >> because -- >> i didn't want to run into him. >> did at any point you say anything to the -- >> no. >> -- the flight attendant or? >> no. we didn't. women didn't at that point. i don't know if they do it now. but no. if i complained to my boss, he would have said but that's
the rigors of the road. you are a traveling sales rep. >> that is just the way it is. >> it is just the way it is. >> and this was you are saying 19 --? >> think it was 1979. >> do you remember the actual date or anything like that? >> no. >> do you remember what time of year it was? >> i want to say fall. >> did you ever tell people at that time? >> no. >> anybody? friends? >> no. hm-uhm. no. didn't tell my boss. didn't tell my coworkers. didn't tell the other women in my -- we had secretaries but i was the only woman traveling salesperson. i didn't tell anybody. i didn't tell my family. i didn't tell -- i didn't tell anybody. >> and some people hearing that might say well, why wouldn't you say something? >> again, remember the time and the place. i felt fortunate to have this job. i was being paid very well. >> you were the only woman sales rep. >> that's right. it was a man's job and i got it
because the company wanted a -- a token woman. and i was delighted to be that. >> when you went back to coach and were sitting there, was your -- was your thinking oh this is just boys will be boys? was your thinking of the time? or were you thinking this is assault? >> well i was pretty shook up. yeah. i remember being thankful that -- that it was quiet and it was -- you know, i could sort of get myself collected. but, you know, i didn't -- as i said, i didn't -- i didn't ask the stewardess or complain to the stewardess. i didn't complain to the airlines. i didn't tell my boss about it. i i didn't tell my family about it just was, you know, that is some of the times that would happen on the road. >> did you ever see donald trump again in person? >> yeah. i -- when i quit the paper company, i came to new york city. and i got a job at the humane
society on 59th street. and yes, they had a fancy gala at sac's 5th avenue. and i got to go and represent the humane society because i had this fabulous dress. fabulous dress. and i got to hand out the tickets for the tables and everything else like that. it was a new york glitter night. and women were dressed beautifully and everything. and up to the table comes donald trump. and he -- i hand him -- i hand the ticket for his table. and he looks at me. and he says i remember you. you're the woman from the airplane. now he used another word. >> what did he say? >> it's obscene. it's obscene and i just -- i
don't want go there. but he acknowledged me. and i -- >> so when he said you are the something from the airplane? >> um-hmm. >> so he was using a derogatory term. >> um-hmm. >> okay. >> as i recall it i just said here is your ticket, i hope you have a good evening. and i left pretty soon afterwards. because i was thunder struck. thunder struck that he remembered me at all. >> it is probably the last thing you expected to have happen. >> oh god, yes. oh yes. but at that time i was aware that donald trump was very important in new york city. because the humane society wanted all of the trumps. they invited robert trump. they invited, you know, whoever trump. they wanted to make sure the people came to this event. >> so that would have been what? 19?
>> i think it was '81. so it was a couple years after i'd first run into him. so it was like i was really impressed that he remembered me. >> and that the point you knew who donald trump was. >> yes. >> so afterwards the plane. afterwards what happened on the plane, when did you start to realize who donald trump was? do you remember? >> when i came to new york city. >> lived in new york city. >> yeah. '81. >> because he was big in the early 80s. >> yeah. i lived for a year in florida. and, you know, he never came -- his name never came up there. so -- >> over the years as you saw the front page new york post and, you know -- >> marriages, his ups and down, yes. >> what did you think? >> well, he's one of these people that seems to attract fame. and he's -- he -- gayle collins
commented that during the break up of his first marriage she was called in from florida to cover the trump break up. and it was like, it's just a divorce. why are you having to put so many reporters on it? i mean, he attracts a lot of attention. >> did you think over the years, did you tell anybody, oh, look, donald trump, i remember -- i had this encounter with him? >> run in with him? no. i didn't start telling my story until about a year and a half ago. when it became apparent that he was making a serious run for the presidency. and i would have an occasion to say to a group of friends, let me tell you my trump story. now, most of these friends were women. because my book club. it was this club. it was neighbors and friends and everything. but a couple of men.
my son-in-law, my son, friends. my nephew, the whole thing. and over the year and a half that i've been telling it, it is like -- it doesn't change it at all. it still infuriates me when i think about it. but, you know, that was a long time ago. it wasn't until sunday night -- and all of them. all of my friends would say oh you have got to -- you have got to write this story up. you have got to publish it. you have got to contact somebody and make it known. and too long ago. >> you didn't want to do that? >> no. not particularly. it was too long ago. but when you at the debate -- well the friday night tapes, that whole bus scene was really annoying. and then the debate, when you
specifically asked trump had he ever groped a woman or i forget how you phrased it. and he said no. >> yeah i asked him if he'd ever -- if he was just bragging about sexual assault or if he had actually done what he said. kissed a woman without consent. ever groped a woman without consent. >> right. and he said no. and i literally wanted to throw something at the tv or punch my hand in the tv. and that -- that was sunday night. and monday morning i found myself writing an e-mail, letter to the editor to the "times." >> something about him actually denying it on that stage. >> yes. yeah. as far as -- yes. yes. that is it exactly. >> what do you think it was about that moment that made you want to go public? >> because i really would like for the fact that he's lying and he lies about so many things,
really brought out and, yes, you did. you asked a very good question. but he -- he's very good at all of a sudden he was talking about isis and he was talking about defense and he was talking about this, that and the other. so he manages to change the conversation. and i -- sometimes i think i don't think he's even really aware of that he's lying. he's built up his defenses in his head to the extent that he doesn't know. >> so you in that moment, where you said you wanted to throw something at the screen, is that the moment you decided i'm going to go public with this? >> um-hmm. i didn't sleep sunday night. thinking about what do and how to do it. i got up and on my e-mail there were two friends who had -- i had told the story. and they said, you know, you really should -- because they had watched the debate. you really should say something. and i thought okay. maybe this is time do it.
and it really amazed me that the "times" called me back. almost instantaneously. >> did you -- were you worried to come forward? you said you were up all night? >> yeah. trying to think what, how should i tell this -- how should i frame the story? you know, it wasn't really until i read -- i was reading the sunday -- i was reading the monday morning newspaper. and i was thinking, oh, yes. i've e-mailed letters to the editor at the times. i'm going e-mail them. but i was, you know, thinking he so infuriated me that -- >> were you worried about wading into this very contentious presidential election? >> no. i really didn't. and i'm amazed. absolutely amazed at the reaction. >> how so? >> umm, well when it escalated i
thought, well the "times" is going to rewrite my letter and publish it in the letters to the editor. and no. they called me and asked if they could send somebody to interview me in person. and then they asked if they could do the video. and it is like -- it was just escalating. and it was like wow. and then i was out last night at a concert. and i had alerted my daughter that they were going to publish it online. and so when i came out from the concert, my phone -- of course i had turned it off. my phone was buzzing all over the place. and there was my daughter saying oh my god. so that is when i saw the video. and then this morning, well i haven't even finished the reading the story yet.
i haven't even gotten to that point. that's how chaotic my life has been today. >> you know there are -- obviously there's going to be criticism. and i'm sure you knew that going into it. >> criticism? ha ha ha, i have made it -- i'm not responding to -- i'm not looking at e-mails i don't recognize. >> not watching television either? >> i'm not watching. i know that there are people out there that this is a hot button issue for them. and they are angry. but that is -- i'm not going wallow in that. >> one -- one of the things some people have suggested is that you are looking for fame. you are looking for 15 minutes of fame. i should point out i interview a lot of people who come in an entourage. who are looking to write a book. you don't have any entourage.
you don't have any public relations person. >> well, i can't help but think that within the next 24 hours, trump and trump's organization will maneuver or create some sort of -- of news story that is going to make mine all go away. but apparently there are a number of women who are now coming forward. so that's kind of rewarding. what do i want out of it? or what do i expect out of it? i -- it would be nice if some men could have some sort of inkling that their behavior leaves a mark, leaves a scar,
leaves -- leaves a lot of pain. and it may just be fun and games to them. but it is not for a lot of women. >> has this left a mark on you? >> yeah. oh sure. oh sure. it -- it -- but it was part of -- i'm working, i'm going to survive, we're going to move on. and i'm going take care of my family and i'm going to try to enjoy what i enjoy. so -- but oh yeah. it leaves a mark. >> even though that is something that a lot of women still have to deal with, but certainly back then had a to deal with. it -- and you at the time sort of thought, well, this is -- this is the cost of being on the road. but it hurts. >> yeah, well i have hopes or aspirations that things are
better for women working now. i'm not so sure. there was another letter that i wrote to the "times" that had -- that was a response to a story they did about ivana where she had been whistled at by the construction workers at one of her father's hotels and construction zone. >> ivanka. >> ivanka. but they were absolutely distraught when they discovered that she was the boss's daughter. and i'm thinking she at least has the protection of it being she's at boss's daughter. when a lot of women out there don't have that. and they are subject to all sort of ridicule and harassment. and they have no -- they have no -- they just have to steam through it. >> what would you want to say to donald trump if you could? her answer to that when we come back.
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donald trump calls the allegations outright lies. jessica leeds calls it her story. a story she says from a different time when she says typically women did not talk harassing them or trying to kiss or grab them. she's only telling it now because the man who did it is running for president and is lying about his behavior toward women she said. we talked about how and whether she would confront donald trump
today. what would you want to say to donald trump if you could? >> oh. wow. if i thought he could recognize, could hear. but his -- his modus operandi, his character, has been established. i think there was a piece in the newspaper about friends saying that he was this way in first grade. he's been this way his entire life. i don't -- i don't believe he's going to change. and i -- and i resent some of the leadership that think oh if he gets in, they can manipulate him. they won't be able to manipulate him. what you see is what you get. >> so you are saying there is nothing you would want to say directly to him because you don't think he'd listen. >> exactly. i don't think he would -- wouldn't listen. wouldn't hear. >> what would you like him to know though about you?
about --? >> i'm not the important one. i'm not important. but the culture of this kind of behavior, he's participated in it. and i'd like to see it stopped. i'd like to see it change. i'd like to see -- i'd like to see men grow up, stop being 16-year-olds. i'd like to see women get equal pay. >> donald trump says this was just locker room talk. this is just -- >> it -- yeah. it was locker room talk. and it is -- but it is terribly destructive. because they take the talk and they go out on the road and they do the talk. >> so for him you are saying it was not just locker room talk. >> no, oh no. no. >> what you're saying he did, do you think he would believe that
is sexual assault? >> probably not. he probably thinks that his attentions are welcomed and that he -- he is a -- the big dog in the room. and so he gets the attention. he likes to have beautiful women around him. and that is the way he behaves. >> i'm trying to imagine who all possible things somebody seeing this that might support trump might say, that you didn't notify the flight attendant or complain to the person across the way. right. it was then, the time and the place as i said, that wasn't even possible. that wasn't even considered it. never entered my mind to complain. >> that says a lot.
>> one other -- donald trump has come forward and said a couple of things. nothing about you in particular. but i want to read some of the things he has said today and if you have a comment to them. at a campaign event he said these vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false and the clintons know it and know it well. the claims are fabricated, pure fiction, outright lies. the events never, never happened. >> why in the world he would blame the clintons for it is phenomenal. but that is his wall of -- of protection. he's -- this is how he's coping with the fact he's completely rejecting the reality. >> another thing he said is take a look at these people. you studied these people and you will understand also.
>> yes. that was one of the reasons why i pulled out my pictures to show. because i'm 74 years old. and for him to now look at me at this age, he would never even give me the time of day. but i wanted -- i wanted people to know what i looked like when i met him. >> because you thought he would comment on your looks. >> yes. i knew he would comment on my looks. >> at the same event today he said that he has substantial evidence to dispute these lies and he plans to make it public. >> good luck. i would think that he would -- should be more worried about the current allegations of people from the past ten years than he would worry about something 35 years ago. as i said, 35 years ago, this was -- this was somewhat
acceptable behavior. >> a reporter from people magazine has also come forward saying that he assaulted her. he said about that "take a look, you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so." >> um-hmm. well it is all in the looks. except for the fact that when push comes to shove it is like the song. when i'm not near the girl i love, i love the girl i'm near. so if he can't have a model he's taking whatever he can get. >> you believe that? >> yeah i do. i do. but his dismissal, that somebody's unattractive, is again a serious form of well, discrimination. very few people in this world are beautiful. most of us just get by with being presentable. and trying to keep clean and
neat. so his dismissal of people, like carey like -- like carrie fiorina. >> fiorina. >> fiorina, that was an awful, awful statement. that look at that face. >> no doubt donald trump has said and many from the campaign have said that this is politically motivated. that you -- maybe -- that some tweet was sent out. some organization said your phone number was the same as the clinton foundation phone number. >> yes my daughter told me that. yes i have no idea how -- if it is, certainly i hope they have been getting half the phone calls that i've been getting. because it would be a lot of phone calls. >> do you have any connection with the clinton campaign? >> no. >> have you ever donated -- >> well i donated like five bucks to get a button, yes.
for hillary. >> hillary clinton. >> yes. >> and is that the only donation you have made to the clintons? >> the clintons? yes. >> or the foundation. >> or the foundation. >> have you been in contact with them at all? >> no. >> is that something you would want to start doing, going out on the road in anyway with the campaign? >> well this is getting so down and dirty that you sort of want gee i would like do something. but that is not my inclination. i vote for dog catcher. i go to every -- i vote for everything. primaries, whatever it is i vote. because my grandmother was a suffraget and her ghost is in the background, you better go vote, girl. but no. i've not -- i follow politics. i'm interested in politics but i've not participated in it. >> just to go back to the event at sak's, when he saw you, is
there -- you absolutely don't want to say what he said to you. >> not -- it's -- it was like a bucket of cold water being poured over me. but no. i really -- i really think -- i think possibly that would infuriate the whole situation that much more. and i'm not so sure we need to put any more fuel on the fire. and hopefully the fire will go away. >> you're hoping this dies down for you. >> i'm expecting it to, yes. because as i said, i think trump's organization, or trump himself will come up with some other block buster that will occupy the media. he's very good at that. >> but it is interesting to me that you don't want to -- you don't want to use the word. >> well as i said i don't want to put anymore fuel on the fire.
and it is just, i think -- i think i've insinuated enough of what an insult it was. that that's enough. >> okay. is there anything else you want to say? >> no, i really hope by monday all of this has blown over. i really do. but i also hope that, umm -- that anybody and any woman who has a story to tell that they get an opportunity to get it off their chest and get an opportunity to express their outrage. that maybe it will start a dialogue and will make some progress on this issue. because we're all in this together.
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before the break jessica leeds described how she says donald trump groped her on a plane three decades ago. she's now 74 years old. i interviewed her shortly before we went on air. one of several women who came forward offer over the past 24 hours. he's been denying it all day very strongly on the campaign trail. he did not focus on it as his latest stop in cincinnati but just wrapped up all though hi
did attack what he called crooked hillary and the crooked media. a lot to discuss the the panel. joining us --. "new york times" presidential campaign correspondent and cnn political correspondent and --. >> kayleigh, so you heard miss leeds at length. what do you think? >> first i want to start by saying i think anyone who has an accusation should feel free to come forward and say that and should be heard. likewise i think anybody accused of something should be heard. donald trump has denied this and voters can make a choice. i think these cases are better litigated this a court of law but unfortunately none of these women came out and filed a police report. they chose to instead report to the "new york times." and i'm voting on issues, who's going the lower my taxes. who's going to cut spending and that candidate is donald trump and that is it. and think hi when voters go into the voting booth honestly they are going to feel sick about this media culture of getting into the stories and i think they are going to vote on who's best for their lives. >> corey, do you think the
number of women who have come forward, do you think it hurts donald trump. >> i don't think it helps obviously. let's be very clear but i think again when you are accused of something you have the ability to respond. s i agree this should be litigated in a kortd of law. but what i find very fascinating is 25 days from an election and in response to a question he was asked on a sunday night, you know, 72 hours past since that question was asked and then wednesday night someone coming out and follows up and says anderson your question was so compelling i waited another 72 hours so i could maximize my exposure. >> she says she wrote immediately the following morning, up all night and wrote monday morning to the "new york times." >> i don't know how the "new york times" but they don't sit on a story for an additional 72 hours to post a story. i find that hard too believe. the closer to the election the more political and the more people who want their own interest and you can support hillary clinton. you are welcome to do that but
defaming somebody 25 days before an election is a little out of line when you have had the opportunity, if this krned you for so much time. to raise this issue for months and months or years. this happened 37 years ago. according to her own account. >> maggie, you happened to work for the "new york times." if someone writes an letter to an editor on a monday morning, is it strange that it would take till last night that the story was posted online. >> the claims were looked at. they were reported out. you obviously interviewed the woman as well. there was another woman in our story too. mr. trump has responded clearly this was false. got a letter from his lawyer and our lawyer responded mr. trump has taken his reputation in his hands essentially and whether it comes out in the election remains to be seen. >> i agree with the first part that everybody who has a charge has right to be heard and
everybody accused has a right to be heard and defended. but i just, it's not gossip. this isn't gossipy. this woman came forward and told her story. and it's really hard for people who are victims and survivors of sexual violence to come forward. i've seen that in my work as crime victim's advocate, see it with the women and children i work with in the homeless system. it's hard. for you corey 35 years may seem too long but you are not the person alleges to have been sexually assaulted on an airplane. and i think when miss leeds talk about what it was like 30 years ago and how it is now. we need to be mindful of that. told her boss, written off, get
tougher, those are the rules of the road. those are not made-up statements of what the culture was like then. and even -- i know you didn't mean to do this corey but when you question whether she really went to the "new york times" on monday or wednesday you inadvertently were calling her a liar. and one of the things survivors fear is that they won't be heard and affirmed, be called horrible things. she was when she saw mr. trump next time and feared would be derided -- >> a lot of trump supporters will say the women who accused bill clinton in some cases were derided and not taken seriously. >> one, bill clinton is not running for president and two, i don't think people who made allegations, you're found to make a wrongfully willful allegation of rooip andsa salt,
it's a taller thing and does significant harm to rape survivors but the issue is here. >> politically motivated. >> but it's not. >> let -- >> should come out if somebody happened that was wrong and illegal, bring it to light. no question. and maybe the statute expired but due opportunity to talk about it. >> when they're ready. >> what i find unique and surprising is where 25 days from a presidential election. he's been the most high profile person potentially on the planet for the last year and a half running for president and waited until three weeks from the election to raise a serious issue. no question about it. why not raised 20 years ago or 30 or 35? >> we didn't wait for anything. it's not our story.
she waited and she hoped you could hear it in her voice that she would be able to put this in the background of her life and never look at it again. and then she heard the tape on friday, heard anderson's question, mr. trump's response and that caused something in here. >> it's interesting that a number of the people who came forward cite what donald trump said on the debate stage is the moment they decided to come forward. whether you believe them or not but "people" magazine writer said that and woman in palm beach as well. >> and lot of other survives not related. >> not the other -- >> i've got to imagine if you experienced this from donald trump it was a level of infuriating that escapes words to hear him deny it in such a way. and i've got to imagine that 25 days out from the election if
you're a woman who experienced this from donald trump directly you've got to be at a level of distress, sadness and panic at the idea that the united states of america could very well elect a groper in chief. that's what making us speak. focusing on the timing issue is cute distraction but totally women are coming up to me pchl people i don't know, strangers, sending me e-mails. contacting me through social media, stopping me at airports, telling me their stories. i think this touched a nerve in the american people. it has lifted the veil. it has women all over talking and sharing the experiences because they are afraid this man who is so unfit to be human may be the next president. >> there was a report from bloomberg i want to ask you about that said when you were
campaign manager you tried to get the campaign to do opposition research on donald trump, on their own candidate which is common in campaigns because you want to find out if there are minefields that will poup up later. he denied that request. is that true. >> the bloomberg story has some inaccuracies and i don't want top get in to the inner workings of the campaign but we were clearly prepared for the this pr primary campaign. >> you don't want to say whether the campaign did. >> i don't want to say the level of opposition we had done on ourselves because i don't want to give the clinton campaign any additional information. >> ideally would a campaign do opposition research? >> on most occasions, yes. i think what we would have seen is the clinton campaign would have done the same thing and e-mails and lies of 33,000 or the fake i'm a private person, public person. my guess is that information was
not shared with the campaign. it was shared with tpodesta tea. and the outside supporters knew the information but the internal campaign people, looks to have been there a shorter period of time wouldn't have access to the information the larger narrative would have had. >> for those viewers who are not as in depth. do you wish there had been more opposition research? >> no. i think the campaign was prepared. the information i was prepared for that we thought would be an issue in the primary campaign we were prepared and vetted to answer. >> i wish there had been more research. >> me, too. >> from the primary opponent. what were these people doing there were 16 other candidates and they seem to be playing patty cake on the playground. >> bush $160 million and couldn't found howard stern
tapes. >> jeffrey lord said it is a wash that the women coming forward, bill clinton accusers that in the minds of many voters maybe evens out in some way. >> these are serious allegations. i have compassion for anyone violated. i do agree that this short of time before the election is very convenient. because it could have come out in the this primary, years ago. could have been witnesses we don't va h have that and every story i have heard so far. it is like the khan situation. defending it is so dangerous it prolongs the story. i agree on one account, absolutely. i hope it is over by monday. >> we heard donald trump at the event tonight in cincinnati in front of a large crowd saying they are going to focus on the issues day after day after day. earlier he obviously talked extensively at campaign event about the women coming forward, about wa wanting to sue the new
york city times and others but he seems to be tonight saying he doesn't want to continue to -- or doesn't want to talk about it because he didn't talk about it at the event tonight. >> we had reporters at at least one of his rallies earlier today. his supporters are not bothered by this. they are angry about the accusations and believe him. i think his team is aware of how this is playing with his supporters, number one. two, there is a divide among, in his campaign at various levels as to what he should be talking about. there's some people who think this is a good thing to focus on and others think at the end of the day it stays on a topic that is, you know, at best a wash to coin your word earlier, or someone's word, and it is not what voters will be voting on. he talked more throughout the day about student debt and focused on millennials and jobs. i think that is where a lot of his advisers would like to take
it. you had him do a more wholesome speech about how there is a larger conspiracy to get him. that's the frame i think you will see for him. >> that idea is obviously, if he believes it's true it is also about engaging the base and getting people enthusiastic. >> it is telling the base he's the ultimate change in outsider candidate. he's the only person that will fight for them. that's his message. that's probably what you will see going forward. >> i want to thank everyone on our panel. coming up, more voices on the story. i will speak to the "new york times" reporters that broke the story of jessica leeds and a "people" magazine editor about a former writer for the manager, another accuser. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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outcome of what to her is a painful episode. >> it would be nice if some men could have some sort of inkling that their behavior leaves a mark, leaves a scar, leaves a lot of pain. it may just be fun and games for them, but it's not for a lot of women. >> has this left a mark on you? >> oh, yeah. oh, sure, oh, sure. it was part of i'm working. i'm going to survive. we're going to move on. i'm going to take care of my family and i'm going to try to enjoy