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donald trump angrily denying allegations thae has groped women, calling the accusations out right lies. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump claiming he knows the source of the allegations. >> but let me state this as clearly as i can. these attacks are orchestrated by the clintons and their media allies. the only thing hillary clinton has going for herself is the press. without the press she is absolutely zero. and the first lady, michelle obama, calling comments that trump has made about women beneath the basic standards of decency. >> and i can't believe that i'm saying that a candidate for president of the united states has bragged about sexually assaulting women. a lot to get to this hour,
the hour ahead. i want to begin with cnn senior media correspond none other than mr. brian stelter. the perfect person because i want to talk about the audio uncovered from howard stern today. what can you tell us? >> this is audio of howard stern interviewing donald trump many years ago and actually the phrase sexual predator came up which is why it was so notable. here is what happened on the howard stern show. >> donltd, seriously you know about sexual predators and things like that. >> you are one. >> wasn't going to say that, but -- >> now that's the extent of the exchange. you hear laughter there. everyone is joking around. you don't make out how trump responds but he's called a sexual predator there. >> and he mumbles something but you don't know exactly what he says. >> that's right. >> he appears to be mimicking something of howard or playing along but you don't know what he says. >> that's right. the latest reminder of all of the thousands of hours of tapes and videos of donald trump on
various entertainment shows, of the howard stern show and in the wake of this after avalanche of women coming forward, each testifying to different experiences with trump, audio like this stands out. >> let's play what donald trump said today, brian. here it is. the claims are preposterous, ludicrous and defy truth, common sense and logic. we already have substantial evidence to dispute these lies and it will be made public in an appropriate way and at an appropriate time very soon. these lies come from outlets whose past stories and past claims have already been discredited. >> so do you hear anything about this, quote, substantive evidence we will be seeing? what do you think it is? >> i wish i had an answer but, no, there's been no follow up from trump or the campaign about the so-called evidence refuting
these women's allegations, we haven't seen it. he said in the clip the stories previously written by "times" reporters were discredited. that's not true. one of the women in past stories later reversed herself somewhat and criticized the times. the bottom line is that the substance of the "times" story from last night and the prior stories about trump's inappropriate touching have held up once investigated by reporters. >> there have been exchanges between donald trump and the campaign and the times and letters. what is going on here. >> fascinating to see the "new york times" saying to trump today, go ahead, sue us, we will meet you in court. this almost never happens. you don't see lawyers say this. but in a statement sent to the trump lawyer by the "new york times" lawyer today, the paper essentially said we stand by our story, we are not going the retract it. if you really believe that we were wrong, if you really believe these women don't deserve to be heard, go ahead and sue us and we will meet you in court and debate it. >> also, late tonight a letter from lawyers representing melania trump to people
magazine. what did it say? >> in is the other threat of legal action on the table. this is not a lawsuit but it is a threat, a request from melania trump, a demand actually for a retraction of part of the "people" story that involves the accuser of melania trump talking on the street outside trump tower at a later date. this is coming from charles hoyer, the same lawyer that helped bring down gawker magazine a few months ago. i believe they will do the same thing the "new york times" has done, stand by the story. the editor earlier today said they're proud of their writer coming forward and disturbed by attempts to shame her. >> interesting, but not denying it happened, what was alleged to have taken place during -- you know, with the reporter. >> right, between the lines of melania trump's e-mail or this letter, they're not denying the allegations, just calling for a retraction about one small part. >> donald trump saying today that the press and the clinton campaign are kol lewding against them, that's a running theme of the campaign. the closer we get to november
8th, how dangerous does all of this become? >> seems to me as mark mckinney was saying last hour, donald trump is acting like an arsonist, trying to burn down various institutions in our country. we've seen him talk about election rigging, we've seen him talk about the media in disparaging terms and other institutions as well. but honing in on the media, which is the part of my beef that i obsess about every day of course, he is targeting individual journalists and news outlets like cnn and others, and i have to tell you that reporters that travel with trump every day say it is getting more and more volatile at these rallies, more and more hostile fans yelling at reporters, more and more situations where it feels slightly unsafe. not trying to paint with a broad brush here because certainly there's lots of trump supporters actually very friendly with the media, when you interview them they want to be heard, but you can sense that the heat, that the fire is sort of rising in these final weeks of the campaign. >> it is hard to believe sometimes and it is hard to take a step back when you've supported someone for so long
and believed it and then you see things coming out. >> that's what we all need to do right now. we need to understand the other side or all sides in this election. we need to try to bring people's anxiety levels down a little bit at this time when it feels so intense. >> sounds good, brian. >> easier said than done. hope to find a way to do it. >> want to bring in samantha hall, who was ms. north carolina in 2016 who competed in the ms. usa pageant. thank you for coming on. you were ms. north carolina usa in 2016. describe your experience at the ms. usa pageant. >> it was a very long experience. we were there for about a month. we traveled throughout maryland and we also did a media tour into new york city. >> now, i want you to listen to what donald trump told howard stern, this was back in 2005. i'll go backstage before a show. >> yes. >> and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everything else, and, you know, no men are anywhere and i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the
pageant and i'm inspecting it. i want to make sure -- >> you're like a doctor. >> is everyone okay, you know, they're standing there with no clothes, is everybody okay. you see these incredible looking women, so i sort of get away with things like that. >> so is this at all what you experienced? >> yes, he summed it up exactly as i experienced. i was backstage in the hair and makeup area that you have to walk through before going into the dressing room. luckily i was in a robe but this was before finals night. we have 51 beautiful girls from all over the country getting ready, all stages of getting ready, and he comes walking in. i remember feeling so shocked and how inappropriate it was because i was barely 20 years old and here he comes into the dressing room and backstage. i just felt it was extremely inappropriate. >> did it ever make you, you know, rethink competing? >> there had been previous
experiences through my month at -- competing for ms. usa that made me realize i loved my job as ms. north carolina usa and i wasn't looking to become ms. usa. it wasn't what i thought it was going to be. uh-huh. is it normal to see men in dressing rooms at mag entpagean owner of the pageants? >> no, the director of the other pga en pageants it is a family atmosphere. she doesn't go backstage when the girls are getting ready. only the female chaperones are allowed backstage in the dressing room with the girls. i've never had an experience where there were men or directors or anything like that walking back in the dressing rooms. >> yeah. as i understand, you have an experience of something that happened the night before the pageant? >> well, not the night before the pageant but when we were in
new york city on the media tour they were doing a book launch at trump towers for the universal beauty book and they had a bufrmg of former ms. usas and ms. universes and 51 of us and we did the red carpet and that was tons of fun. then they lineds all up and trump went down the line and shook your hand and, you know, looked you over, looked you up and down, head to toe. it was just checking everybody out. >> and you felt? >> i felt very dirty. it was very creepy. it is kind of like when you're at a bar and a creepy guy is checking you out, that's -- that was the experience for me. so you've heard the trump supporters and the defense, why now. you know, the credibility is gone because no one spoke out
sooner. why are you speaking out now? >> well, this is the first time that y'all have asked me. all of my friends and family, they know my experience. anybody that's ever asked me about my experience, i've been happy to share it with them. this is the first time anybody's ever asked. honestly, i was 20 years old and what i'm going to do? make a fuss baecause an old guy made me feel creepy? >> do you think some of the people are worried about maybe a legal recourse or something? >> yeah, i mean he definitely likes to throw lawsuits around. i was just honestly looking forward to getting back to north carolina and enjoying the rest of my year as ms. north carolina usa. >> samantha, thank you for coming on. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> straight ahead tonight, first lady michelle obama's emotional denunciation of donald trump's words, calling them shocking and demeaning. up next, more reactions to the allegations that trump groped women.
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. donald trump angrily fighting back against allegation goes of sexually groping women, calling the accusations a coordinated attack by the clinton campaign and the media. i want to bring in now glenda blair, the author of the trumps, three generations that built an empire. haur railway hurt, author of lost tycoon. betsy mccoy, the former governor of new york supporting donald trump. when you hear that "access
hollywood" tape and reed stories like the "new york times," what is your reaction? >> the same guy. he was polite to me, let me say that, but the same guy who has to dominate, be in charge, alpha male. it is the same mo he had when he burst into manhattan 40 years ago. it is what we've seen throughout the campaign on the stage when he had to be in charge of everything. he has to be in charge of women, he has to be in charge of everybody. >> yeah. and do you think that goes into inappropriately touching people, at least bragging about it? >> sure. i mean he's -- he walks into a room, he wants to be in charge. he looks for who's the strongest person, he's going to take over. >> did you ever think he would run for president? >> this is the sixth time so it wasn't exactly a shock, but this is obviously the most serious. >> didn't think he would get this far? >> this is the biggest contest. he is the most competitive guy ever. he has to win, and what's the biggest contest there is? betsy, i want to play this for you. this is what donald trump said
about the "new york times" story and the "people magazine" story. listen to this. >> you take a look at these people. you study these people and you'll understand also. the claims are preposterous, dude kr ludicrous, and defy truth, common sense and logic. >> what does he mean when he says you look at these people, you study these people and you'll understand? >> i don't know. but he has been very clear about denying the allegations, and my view is this. to -- >> you don't know what he means? >> no. to run the story, not to just mention it or have one segment on it but for the media elite to run it 24 hours straight and keep going when it is only 26 days before an election is like condemning someone to electoral defeat without a trial. we believe people are innocent until proven guilty, but it is going to be long after this election is over before -- >> do you think the media should ignore this about someone
running to be leader of the free world? >> absolutely not. but to feature it as the only news when, in fact, let me just point out this week there were some real wikileaks bombshells, hillary clinton believes in open borders and open trade and a single hemisphere common market. >> we discussed that. i have to be honest with you, betsy, i watch a lot of media and reed even conservative media. >> you are the most well informed, no doubt about it. >> for the most part, for the legitimate section of the media they all agree, yes, wikileaks things are important, it is not the bombshell many people -- or bombshell many people are making it out to be. hold on, let me finish my thought and you can weigh in. and this particular issue, considering the gravity of it, it is no surprise the media is picking it up and running with it for the amount of time the media is running with it. >> it is a grave issue, i'll make no bones about it. look, i have been in the workplace a long time and incurred a lot of really unpleasant, awful sexual
aggression, including from new york -- >> and it is a legitimate issue. >> it is absolutely a legitimate issue. but i also look at what is happening on college campuses today where many young men are denied due process and just thrown out of college because it is always assumed the accusations are true, sometimes they're proven untrue. i look at the duke lacrosse team, look at what happened at uva, i remember tawanna brawley. >> we can cover that and this. >> all i'm saying is everybody deserves a fair trial. in this case when there's an election in 26 days, you're virtually condemning him to defeat without a trial. >> okay. and we also have to be fair and get other people on the panel on as well. larry, you wrote your book -- harry, excuse me, harry which i know. in 1993 -- >> correct. >> is this the same man, or different than the man you wrote about then? >> no, it is absolutely the same. here is the thing people ignored. in 1989 during their divorce
proceedings donald trump, according to the sworn testimony of his ex-wife, ivana, came into the bedroom in trump tower and raped her. >> and she retracted it. >> no, no, she did not retract it. in fact, this is the misconception everyone said, which is why i brought my book here. i will tell you exactly what she did say. she said, and i quote, statement of ivana trump sent into my publisher in 1993, during a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimoniual case i stated that my husband had raped me. i wish to say that on one occasion during 1989 mr. trump and i had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. as a woman i felt violated. okay. that's not a denial. i'm sorry. what she is saying here is there was non-consensual sex.
there's also a context of this. what prompted this was that donald had had an operation called scalp reduction to cover a bald spot on the back of his head at the hands of her plastic surgeon, dr. steven hofflin. he came in and started grabbing her hair on the corresponding spot where he had that operation, and then this rape occurred. okay. rape is not an act of sex, it is an act of anger. this guy was enraged. she ran down to the bedroom normally occupied by her mother, closed the door, cried all night. when she came out in the morning he said, did it hurt? this is according to her sworn testimony in a deposition. this is not a denial, don. >> yeah, and we're going -- producers are probably to go a little longer because of this, i think it is an interesting conversation. how do you respond to that, betsy? >> that must be some book. hold up the cover. >> thank you, betsy. >> i'm sorry. we had a good time in the green room. >> it is a serious allegation. >> it is a serious allegation.
i know that often -- look, i only want to get at the truth. as i said before, i abhor any kind of sexual rough stuff or abuse. it is a terrible thing. >> this is uncalled for, betsy. >> but i do also know that divorces can be rough and people say things they later regret. so that's where i am. >> sometimes the things they say are true. >> true, that's true also. >> glenda, i want to ask you about this because you say there are two things to you that you were struck by, first the 1973 discrimination lawsuit against donald trump, and then when he called hillary clinton the devil on sunday night's debate. why were you struck by that? >> well, the 1973 occasion, event i was talking about was when donald trump first came into manhattan, almost his debut really, was when -- and the justice department charged that the trump organization had not rented -- had been discriminated in rental policies towards african-americans. >> writing a con there for
colored. >> right. writing a c on there for colored. >> right. >> so the justice department informed the trump organization it was going to look into this. the next day donald trump filed a lawsuit for $100 million against the justice department, which at the time was a large amount of money, even now it is a pretty big amount of money. that was his counter punch. don't back down, push forward. >> and that's what you see him doing today. >> keep going. that's exactly what i see him doing today. >> and hillary clinton, calling her the devil. >> i thought it was a shout out to a very conservative constituency that sees her as the devil or at least a very evil force. >> and this bothers you because? >> i think that's a really a dog whistle as part of a kind of rousing up, racist, you know,
sexist, really conservative forces in this country that i think had been gradually the country was moving beyond and past. i think there's been a resurgence of that and a legitimatization in the process of this campaign. it is all somewhat indirect but not very indirect. the birther thing that he came out with in 2011, that he took -- he began to take charge of that whole idea, was absolutely in the wind and he got a huge response. >> yeah. >> and that was a very thinly disguised attack against our first african-american president. >> i have to go. i have to say to be continued. it is a very interesting conversation and i would love to have all of you back. thank you very much. straight ahead, she might be hillary clinton's secret weapon, the first lady michelle obama delivering an emotional
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first lady michelle obama, her voice trembling at times, denouncing donald trump today during a campaign rally for hilary clinton in new hampshire, saying his comments about women have left her shaken, that they're below basic standards of decency. she never mentions donald trump by name. >> while i'd love nothing more than to pretend like this isn't happening, and to come out here and do my normal campaign speech, it would be dishonest and disingenous for me to move on. this is not something we can ignore, not something to sweep under the rug as another disturbing footnote in a sad election season, because it was not just a lewd conversation. this wasn't just locker room banter. this was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about
sexually pred toatory behavior bragging about kissing and groping women, using language so obscene many of us were worried about our children hearing it when we turn on the tv. and to make matters worse, it now seems very clear this isn't an isolated incident. it is one of countless examples of how he has treated women his whole life. i have to tell you that i listened to all of this and i feel it so personally, and i'm sure that many of you do too, particularly the women. the samefhameful comments about bodies, the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect, the belief that you can do anything you want to a woman, it is cruel. it is frightening. the truth is it hurts. it hurts. it is like that sick, sinking
feeling you get when you're walking down the street minding your own business and some guy yells out vulgar words about your body, or when you see that guy at work that stands just a little too close, stares a little too long, it makes you feel uncomfortable in your own skin. it is that feeling of terror and violation that too many women have felt when someone has grabbed them or forced himself on them and they've said no, but he didn't listen. we thought all of that was ancient history, didn't we? so many have worked for so many years to end this kind of violence and abuse and disrespect, but here we are in 2016 and we're hearing these exact same things every day on the campaign trail. we are drowning in it. all of us are doing what women have always done. we're trying to keep our heads
above water, just trying to get through it. trying to pretend like this doesn't really bother us. maybe because we think that admitting how much it hurts makes us as women look weak, maybe we're afraid to be that vulnerable. maybe we've grown accustomed to swallowing these emotions and staying quiet because we've seen that people often won't take our word over his, or maybe we don't want to believe that there's still people out there who think so little of us as women. too many are treating this as just another day's headline, as if our outrage is over blown or unwarranted, as if this is normal, just politics as usual.
but new hampshire, yeah, be clear, this is not normal. this is not politics as usual. this is disgraceful. it is intolerable. it doesn't matter what party you belong to, democrat, republican, independent, no woman deserves to be treated this way. none of us deserves this kind of abuse. and i know it is a campaign, but this isn't about politics. it is about basic human decency. it is about right and wrong. we simply cannot endure this or expose our children to this any longer, not for another minute and let alone for four years. now is the time for all of us to
stand up and say enough is enough. this has got to stop right now. because, consider this, if all of this is painful to us as grown women, what do you think this is doing to our children? what messages are our little girls hearing about who they should look like, how they should act? what lessons are they learning about their value as professionals, as human beings, about their dreams and aspirations, and how is this affecting men and boys in this country? because i can tell you that the men in my life do not talk about women like this, and i know that my family is not unusual.
and to dismiss this as every day locker room talk is an insult to decent men everywhere. the men that you and i know don't treat women this way. we cannot allow ourselves to be so disgusted that we just shut off the tv and walk away, and we can't just sit around wringing our hands. we need to recover from our shock and depression and do what women have always done in this country. we need you to roll up your sleeves. we need to get to work. because remember this, when they go low we go -- yes, we do. first lady's words move you, make you angry, upset, they make you cry? wait until the discussion right after the break.
first lady today. i want to bring in now patti stoi. paris, cnn political commentator bakari sellers. start with your reaction to the first lady's speech. first, patti. >> you know, don, i have been involved in politics for almost three decades and i don't think i have ever heard such a powerful speech from a first lady before in my life. you know, the video that came out on friday and the stories of these women who are accusing donald trump of sexual assault are just very disturbing and very discouraging. i think michelle obama really lent voice to that. she did it in such a personal way, i thought she was fantastic. >> bakari? >> i thought tonight you could hear it in her voice. the two most dynamic speeches given in this entire cycle by
anybody on either side have both been given by the same person in michelle obama. her speech at the convention and her speech today. she spoke as a mother, she spoke as the first lady. the most amazing part of this speech other than the fact she never had to mention his name was that she didn't speak as a democrat or republican. this wasn't black or white, but this was about human decency. michelle obama took this race to a point where everyone can comprehend. when my 11-year-old stepdaughter got home i made sure she sat down and she watched this 30 minutes of history to see the grace and poise that is michelle obama. one thing that everyone can agree on, democrats and republicans on this panel and other panels to km, fcome, fox cnn, msnbc it doesn't matter, michelle obama has been the epitome of grace as first lady and she showed it again. >> paris. >> i think the clinton campaign was smart for asking or
encouraging m encouraging mrs. obama to do this because, quite frankly, the american people trust her and like her allot. >> i think she wanted to do it. i don't think they asked her to do it. she asked to do it today, but go on. >> and i think that they've asked her to be a surrogate, to be someone supportive of the campaign and be out on the campaign trail. that's the point i was making, don. i think as a smart move for them to do that. i think what is unfortunate is that she spent the time talking about allegations. i think in this country you are innocent -- i know in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. for her to go on this long tirade about mr. trump and allegations, which i think is dangerous -- >> she also talked about the words on the tapes though and his own words. those are not allegations that came from donald trump. >> that's true, but other things she said, she said he has been doing this his whole life. these are allegations that are unproven. so that's a dangerous thing to go on. the last point i'll make is
this, don. i would hope in this campaign that the clintons would want to be talking about mrs. clinton, secretary clinton and her record, what she has done and the facts and what she is going to do for the country rather than spend the time talking about someone else in such a negative manner. so that's the state of politics today. that's the state that we're in. and i hope that we can focus more. when she talks about when they go low we go higher, it seems that's not the case with the clinton campaign. they start low, they go lower. >> okay. scottie, go ahead. >> well, i'm actually really torn at this because obviously at this point we're in election time and i want to spend my time talking about difference between hillary clinton and donald trump. but president obama and mrs. obama have gotten involved in this, and i agree with bakari it was a powerful speech. there were great parts, great elements, where she said the men in her life don't talk like that. i have a little problem with that because one of the issues that us as conservatives, us as
evangelicals have had are the invitations she extended to rap artists, people like and kendrick lamar, and the poetry readings she has done with known poetry writers that write poems about threatening to shoot police and burning george w. bush. that's my issue. she has invited them in the white house, consider them to be her friends who do use language inappropriate towards women. hopefully it is opening up the conversation amongst pop culture about how we should respect women in all areas, not just politics. >> patti, you want to respond? >> go ahead, bakari. >> i just think that's absurd. i mean, first let me address paris. paris said he wants to talk about issues, but then we just saw a debate where the first thing that happened an hour before the debate was donald trump sat there and trotted out
four or five women allegedly accusing bill clinton of acts. so you didn't want to talk about issues then but you want to talk about issues now. second, this has become a red her ring talking point all of a sudden hip hop music and rap is to blame for the predatory behavior of donald trump. let me tell you something, black american today and hip hop music and the culture it represents is not responsible for some billionaire white male who has a problem with women. you cannot simply blame it on hip hop country. >> that's not what scottie said. >> that's not the point. >> what you're doing -- it is diversionary at best. >> no, it is not, bakari. that's not it, bakari. >> everyone has a point. everyone has a problem with the language that's used and sometimes the misogynistic lyrics use it in hip hop music. but the fact of the matter in this discussion we're having now is not about beyonce, it is not
about kendrick lamar, it is about donald trump running for president of the united states and all of those talking points you are mentioning are absurd. >> michelle obama brought it up. >> let me get this in, especially on a day that bob dylan gets a nobel peace prize, against war, against his own country in many ways, but the obamas are criticized for bringing artists to the white house. >> with views that are derogatory towards women. >> i'll continue on the other side of the break. i promise to let you both in.
. back now with my panel. i think were you, paris, taking issue to something bakari said? >> i sure was. i think what i was saying, don, was the fact it is not the issue that mrs. obama invites these people to the white house to perform or that hip hop music is somehow responsible or rap music is responsible for what mr. trump said a decade ago or what he is alleged to have done years ago. the point is that if you're going to have this sense of outrage about the words that were used by mr. trump a decade ago, then be just as incensed
and use the same time and have a teachable moment about what the artists do and say right now on the radio, right now in the white house. >> they're not running for president of the united states of america. donald trump is. >> but the question is what is the issue? is the issue the words and how men are treating women? that's the big point she was making, about character, about values. if that's the point, be just as incensed and have that teachable moment about the people you invite to the white house who perform before the american people. look, i worked there for -- >> do you know why she -- >> excuse me, bakari. >> go ahead, finish. >> i worked there for four years and put on many of the same events, and there's no way we would have had 80 to 90% of the people necessary bring in there perform because they would not have passed the test of what was deemed appropriate because of the lyric goes they used. >> they're not the only administration to invite rappers to the white house. >> it is not just rappers to the white house. it is what they say and do and what the lyrics say. >> by the way, i say the nobel peace prize, it is the nobel
prize in literature which is different. anyway, go on, bakari. what were you saying? i was talking about bob dylan, but go on. >> i think paris is misguided in this. the irony is amazing. of course george w. bush didn't have many hip hop artists and rappers at the white house, that's the point. but to drive home what michelle obama was talking about today, because apparently you and scottie both missed it, because what we're talking about is someone who is running for president of the united states of america. what we're talking about is basic human decency. now we're getting off on the topic of who the invite list to the white house is. let me tell you this, you want to chastise kendrick lamar, you want to chastise beyonce, but the fact of the matter is that my daughter can grow up and look to beyonce and she is a hero. my son can look to kendrick lamar and his artistic expression about the deplorable conditions many african-americans go there and look at him as a hero.
my son cannot look at donald trump as hero, that's a fact. >> there's a difference between someone running for highest office of the land and an artist in some wayis, and i'm not condoning lyrics, artists are supposed to challenge people and they don't do things necessarily politically correct. part of the challenge is to tick people off and to do things that are not considered politically correct. i have to ask you because the bigger issue for me is that donald trump brought these women to the debate the other night and started this conversation. he believed their stories. his surrogates believed their stories, and now you're not supposed to believe the stories about the women who have accused donald trump. i mean is it -- is kind of what's good for the goose good for gander? no, scottie? >> no, because these women have been a part of this for the last 20 years. they've been telling their story. just because we haven't covered it necessarily doesn't mean they haven't been out there talking. >> stop, and i promise i will let you talk. to say we have not covered their
stories is factually wrong. this has been in the news since the 1980s and 1990s, and was covered ad nauseam during that time. it seems to me that the trump people are saying, well, we want to bring this up again, therefore you must cover it. they don't dictate what is covered in the news. the news, part of it is called news because it is new. the accusations against donald trump are new. the accusations against bill clinton are not new and have been covered in the 1990s. go ahead, scottie. >> so they should be ignored? >> no, no, i'm not saying they should be ignored at all, but it should be placed in the proper context. just because we're not covering it on the same level as we're covering donald trump does not mean that it is not important or it is being ignored. that would be a false equivalent. >> let me ask you this question -- >> because we have done it, it was covered many times before. for those of us that were around before and were in the news business remember it quite honestly. >> let me ask you a question,
back when bill clinton was running for office 17 women had the same alleged, whether you are talking about ms. arkansas, a lot of the same things we are dealing with except there was evidence to back it up. i do not remember the 24-hour news cycle focusing on those women every single story time and time again. >> there wasn't a 24-hour news cycle. >> there was a-of. >> believe me, i worked in that campaign and it was covered. it was covered immensely. >> well, you know, once again, if it was, then how come bill clinton was still eye elected? if we knew everything we knew about the 17 women today, you think he would be elected? >> you are looking at 1991 or 1990 through 2016 lens, it is not the same time. there was no -- >> well, the reason women are in the picture, more importantly, is how hilary clinton handled these women. it is not what happened with bill clinton. it is how hilary clinton demonized these women, started a war room to target these women, to make sure their stories didn't get out, not because she loves bill clinton, she loved
her marriage. more importantly, she knew if bill went down so would her political career go as well. that's what it was all about, and that's why the women were there, because bill -- because she started it. >> last word whoever is next, but i have to run quickly, please. >> don, that was really rich coming from a candidate who has five children from three different wives, and we're going to question whether or not somebody loves their wife. the fact is -- >> bakari. >> i wish people would take away the bill clinton aspect for a moment and examine what donald trump did. let's look at that in a vacuum. is that okay? yes or no, scottie? >> i have to run. to be continued. she'll answer the question in a subsequent panel. thank you very much. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. tee you back here tomorrow. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com . .
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