tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 18, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
- the extra income that i get from airbnb has been a huge impact in my life. >> and good evening from las vegas. tomorrow's final presidential debate right here on cnn, donald trump speaking today in colorado. due here shortly, he'll arrive under fire to complaining that the election is being rigged against him with people magazine reporting that six men and women have come forward to corroborate an allegation. hillary clinton hit down under new scrutiny of her state department e-mails and something completely different. video emerging of a pro clinton group of operatives talking about stirring up trouble and provoking violence at trump rallies. comes perfect project veritas,
brain child of keith, some of the things on the tape are certainly hard to ignore. enough for one person to be fired so far. another to resign. a lot of questions being asked. drew griffin tonight has the story. >> the undercover videos produced by discredited conservative activist james o'keefe suggest it was democratic operatives, hired political activists working in coordination with the dnc to instigate violence and incite reactions at trump rallies. and in one video, scott vogel a subcontractor for democracy partners supposedly explains how he does it. >> this is the skricht engage. sometimes the crazies bite and sometimes the crazies don't bite. when they are outside the rally -- >> harder to get in. >> the media will cover it no matter where it happens --
>> i assume it's always in the rally. >> initiating the conflict by having leading conversations with people who are naturally psychotic. i mean honestly, it is not hard to get some of these ass holes to pop off. it is a matter of showing up at the rally. to want in with a planned parenthood t-shirt. or trump is a nazi. you can message to draw them out and draw them to punch you. >> according to the undercover videos it was this man the democratic national committee turned to to oregon the work. husband of illinois congresswoman. he was part of a group called democracy partners, and he too was caught on undercover video. here explaining how he was hired to stage counterdemonstrations and press conferences wherever the trump campaign showed up. >> and pence are going to be we
have events. and we have a whole team akros the country that does that. both consultants and -- people from the democrat iic pay and party apparatus. and my role was to manage all of that. >> reporter: cramer stepped down today and announced scott fogel no ronger working for the firm. both the dnc and clinton campaign denied any coordination with anything involving the incitement of violence. creamer himself told cnn his former contractors were committing barroom talk, insisting none of what is being described by fogel ever actually happened. in a statement writes we regret the unprofessional and careless hypothetical conversations that were captured on hidden cameras
for working for the firm. no longer working. and clinton campaign responds that some of the language and tactics referenced in the video are troubling. even as a theory or proposal never executed. we support the democratic national committees appropriate action addressing this matter and look forward to continue waging a campaign of ideas worthy of the democratic process. james o'keefe is a criminal doctoring videos to advance his agenda. so what is the dnc doing about this? >> first anderson put out a statement saying there is no evidence that anything described on the tapes ever took place. they agree with bob cramer's decision to step away and separate from any work on the clinton campaign. but they are also going to investigate james o'keefe to find out if he did anything illegal in obtaining or
gathering these tapes. we also did just get a statement in from democracy partners. that is a group of -- partnership basically that works on democratic campaigns. they said we were breached and betrayed but still standing. and we condemn -- excuse me here. -- violence and election tampering in all forms. so that is where it stands tonight, anderson. >> all right. drew griffin, thanks. you can bet the panel has plenty to say about this. clinton supporter and former obama senior advisor van jones. maria cardona. gloria berjer. jeffrey lord and scotty nell hughes. it certainly looks damning on the tape. >> it certainly does. and we don't know how big a deal it is. it is just more garbage in this ugly and divisive campaign. we don't know whether it was locker room talk, to use the phrase or -- >> it is sort of ironic that they are using the term barroom
talk when they condemn donald trump for saying locker room talk. >> exactly. we don't know how this video was gotten. we don't know how it was edited. there are so many unanswered questions to the story so you have to peel the layers of the onion. what i will say, on the face you see the story. it first appears in breitbart. confirms an existing negative narrative. if you are so disposed to believe that the clinton campaign is dishonest, etc. etc., it will do that. i think however this is a story that needs a lot more reporting on it. and the tape is quite disturbing, honestly. >> jeffrey, as a trump support er you hear these people talking about, about, you know. >> i'm not surprised -- >> egging people on and violence. >> i'm not surprised in the least. i said some version of this months and month ago without knowing about this and said this is what the american left historically does. they do things like this.
the whole chicago riots in 1968 were based with these kind of provocations and to be bipartisan about it for a moment. the first thing i thought of when i heard this was nixon's plumbers, who were out there breaking the law deliberately, burglarizing daniel elsburg's psychiatry office and this. this is not acceptable in american politics. this is totally unacceptable. and here we are. >> maria? >> right. it is not acceptable at all. which is why i'm glad that the dnc and the hillary for america campaign came out and said as much. i do think we have to underscore the fact that james o'keefe has zero credibility in this area. he did the doctored videos of planned parenthood which were completely false. he's a criminal, right? i think we have to look into it to make sure that, you know, none of this actually happened. the dnc says none of it actually happened. and in fact this group and this guy was not working for the dnc -- >> i think to say he's a
criminal by the way i mean -- he committed i guess >> -- convicted criminal, isn't he. >> he was convicted of a crime. i don't know if you want to brand someone criminal the rest of their life based on one action. >> true but i this i you have to continue to look it a and see what's going on. >> there are two different things here. one is looks like a confession from cramer that they are sending people to the rallies to stir up trouble. that is not illegal. it is distasteful. but you can kind of live with that. the other though, is horrific. the other is a conspiracy to rig an election. now, i would take that much more seriously if it didn't come from pinocchio. i mean the guy -- i don't like calling people criminal -- >> that is donald trump's plane arriving in las vegas. arriving for the debate tomorrow. >> i would take it a lot more seriously. [ people chanting
indiscernible ] >> they're booing not for me. much as you would wish it. here's the deal. i think the fact this comes from o'kiev is a reason to withhold judge because this guy literally is mr. pinocchio. if there is a more -- a less-trusted figure in american politics, i don't know who it is. >> that's right. >> but if any is even remotely true it is i disconcerting. >> let me point 0 this out about james o'kiev. defend him. >> -- investigation in housing fraud. >> all turned out to be false. >> and talked to republicans -- i don't know about false. >> -- congress into doing something horrific. >> fooled all of the house. >> all that turned out to be false. >> what we're finding out is -- he's not mr. pinocchio. his work actually has accomplished things.
it doesn't fit your narrative that republican that trump supporters are horrible and for violence. it actually shows once again they were instigated. that the whole year we've been demonizing that we are just the ones causing all this violence at the relay and this just proves like the chicago rally, that they were sent in to instigate. it wasn't necessarily to be a part of the process. >> there is no proof any of it happened. >> there is. they had no reason on secret tape too lie about it. >> that's like saying donald trump had no reason to lie about molesting women on tape to billy bush. >> completely different things. >> -- >> this is a conversation with one other. >> -- much worse. >> there is a certain amount of hypocrisy. either you can believe donald trump was bragging about something he didn't actually do. you can believe these people on the tape were bragging about something they didn't actually do to make themselves more important. i don't know who is right and wrong in it but it's straining to think one person is bragging
denied >> -- trump supporters have been made out to be the most evil people and that is right. that is not fair. they are the most peaceful. >> go ahead david. >> even the hypothetical was serious enough that the clinton campaign out to reject that in their statement. they wanted to make that clear. i think you can hear in scottie's comments this is going to gave lot of energy and juice and comfort to trump supporters. because the media covered so much of the violence at trump rallies. >> exactly. >> really extensively. so now they have something now to hang on to say hey this wasn't just some natural phenomenon. >> which bied the way was allegation made on our air at the time saying. >> i don't think that saves you. look, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. someone goes to a hillary clinton rally and says hillary clinton is the b word and then somebody punches that person. the person who did the punching has to take responsibility. people get provoked all the time this is the real world.
>> van you are sounding more like me every day. this is great. a conversion on air. >> but here is the thing. the dnc says they have no evidence to suggest that the activity articulated in the video actually occurred. >> right. >> that is where the reporting has to come in. we have to match it. >> you know where this is going to lead don't you? >> no i don't. >> a congressional investigation. at some point. >> -- jason chaffetz. >> part of what the dnc said is they are looking into the james o'keefe and whether everything he did not so above board. and by the way, huge connection between james o'keefe, breitbart, steve bannon. roger stone. again -- >> demonizing husband. >> one at a time. >> -- nothing to change minds. >> this just proves whether you want to talk about media bias or pundit bias.
>> you are the ones talking about media bias. >> let mer finish. >> you have trump supporters saying i want to vote for trump but i'm afraid to say it. you saw on friday a line of cars at that trump pence rally completely vandalized. a fire bombing of a republican headquarters who had trump/pence signs. goes against the narratives --. the democrats are trying to paint. deplorables, doesn't work anymore. >> let's take a quick break. there is a lot more to talk about. including this. made a stir with the people he invited to the last debate. just found out who his latest big guest will be. we'll tell you that next. and at this point, hillary clinton is she only trying to run out the clock? risk she could be running if she's doing that when we continue. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose.
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kenya. what trump campaign means by inviting him unclear. he's said he's supporting donald trump in this race. let's check in with jim acosta. you were at trump rally earlier. what was his message to the colorado springs crowd? >> i think donald trump's message was not apocalypse now but apocalypse three weeks from now. he said if he loses on november 8th that americans will lose their independence that the united states will become a one party system. he said that the media is so dishonest that people should avoid the media and get their latest information right off of the internet. here is more. >> history will report that 2017 was the year that america lost. truly lost, its independence. truly lost its independence. and by the way this is our final shot folks. in four years it is over. you are never going to be able to win. it is tilting. it is going to be a one party system.
this is your final shot. for the supreme court. >> trump did roll out a new campaign theme today. drain the swamp in washington. he backed that up with a call for p congressional term limits. anderson if you strip all the outrageous talk of the rally, that was a message that really resonated with his supporters. the problem is they had to get past all of the other things to focus in on that. >> he's also invited president obama's half brother to the debate tomorrow night as his guest. what is the idea behind that? >> reporter: well i've reached out to a number of campaign officials. they haven't said exactly what they are up to in inviting the president's half brother malik. we should point out though that this invitation was announced just hour after president obama earlier today at a rose garden press conference said that
donald trump should stop whining about the possibility of a rigged election. so this appears to be a shot across the bow at president obama and keep in mind it is very much in line with what the trump campaign did at the laft debate by inviting out bill clinton's past accusers of sexual abuse. the as way to get inside the clinton campaign's heads but there is no indication that had any lasting effect at the last debate. >> jim, thanks. now hillary clinton who's been so low key she's practically off the radar. jeff zeleny joins us with the latest how she's getting ready for tomorrow. clinton was off the trail today i guess prepping for tomorrow's debate. is she prepping differently for this one? >> reporter: she is in many respects. flew here and arrived a couple hours ago and i'm told she's in another debate prep session. flew with a team of advisers. they talked about things on the plane. and you may wonder what more they have to prepare for? part is all these leaks of thousands of wikileaks. their campaign e-mail from a year ago.
she now has gone from studying donald trump's own words and his record to studying her own and the words of her advisors. so these wikileaks, everything from the speeches, from goldman sachs and wall street to something that her staff said about bernie sanders to just the calculations that went on inside her campaign. she believes she will have to answer for some of that tomorrow. and it really sort of gets at the point here of her honesty and trust worthiness, how everything painstakingly even sending out a tweet went through a committee here. she's going to have to answer in her own words tomorrow night. in ways she perhaps hasn't up until now. >> and as jim acosta mentioned president obama weighed in today calling trump a whiner. how does that fit into the democratic strategy? >> i think in a couple ways. one it is part of, he also was pushing back against this rigged system. really politicians across the board democrats and republicans are pushing back on this but certainly democrats. first of all the president said
look this is not a rigged system. there are republicans who are running elections as well. but it also is an attempt to get under donald trump's skin not. no question at all. calling him a whiner. it was more locker room talk, if you will. donald trump likes to use that. that was president obama's version of that. trying to get under his skin saying look if you are man enough to get in the white house you should about be whining at things like losing an election. you should go out and get the votes, not whine about the ones you are not getting. all about getting under donald trump's skin. >> and who is hillary clinton bringing to the debate? >> reporter: first and foremost, bill clinton will be here in nevada as well for this third debate but she's also bringing a couple of billionaires who are opposed to donald trump. maeg ga whitman, a california billionaire, ran for governor there, campaigning as a lead republican. and she's also bringing a man from south sioux city, nebraska. who she met in 1994 during healthcare hearings. he spoke at the democratic convention.
he has dwarfism and he's been in a campaign video. she's going the use him to show that she is for people with disabilities. it is a very interesting segment of the election that the clinton campaign is going after. republicans and democrats. he's a very high profile symbol of someone who lives with disabilities here. so he will be front and center tomorrow night as well, anderson. >> jeff, thanks very much. -- [ cheers in the background ] >> -- how important is it for him? >> the debate? i think it is important for him. definitely. this is the third of three for them. we rarely had a situation -- [ cheers and applause ] -- they increased in importance. i think this is one of those situations but i think he's going to be very aggressive as he was the last time around and really get right in there. he's going to be talking i would suspect about these wikileaks which are very damaging to them. he may even talk about the o'keefe videos for all i know and get on to that.
i think they are important and he understands it. >> let me tell you, he needs to focus on what he started today. i wish he would have started this months ago. the drain the swamp congressional term limits. granted he wasn't popular already with the d.c. insider crowd. fear that their meal ticket is probably ending but this is something republican, democrat, libertarian, 75% of all americans according to the 2013 gallop pole believe she should have some term limits in congress. this message resonates -- i like focusing on the wikileaks and all the others but if he wants to be a winner tomorrow night -- >> you're nodding. >> i think it is one of the strongest messages, no doubt about it. back to his businessman appeal. why a lot of people found him attractive initially. people that were not intended to be in washington and politics forever. that is attractive message for everyone. anything he can do beyond just his core support. i will say this.
i think his biggest challenge is actually where it was before the first debate as well. >> how so? >> because he still has not solved the problem of temperament for the office, being fit for the office and being seen in people's eyes behind that desk in the oval office. he hasn't crossed that threshold yet. that was his mission before the first debate. he didn't do in either of the debates previously. and as much as there is material to go after hillary clinton, i still think his mission is to prove he has the temperament to serve. >> and that would be on substance. what he has to do and chris wallace's long list of questions indicate he'll be talk about the some issues. his policies against hers. i agree with you being a reformer always works. particularly if you are a republican reformer. that works twice as well. he's an outsider. that is all great for him. i think what he was saying today, this is your final shot. i think that works well for him too.
but i also -- also believe that on the substance hillary clinton can be wonky. we know that. but he has to go toe to toe with her on policy. >> is that really true -- >> to a degree. >> -- skeptical. >> i'm a nerd. so i would love for us to have a substantive debate. i love the stuff. but here is what i think. he has a hard time now. his constant talking about our elections not being legitimate is very dangerous. and there is a way in which he's almost hardening his base to not accept the outcome of the election. that is not presidential. that is the opposite of presidential. listen, the republicans actually i think have a case to make about bias at this point. i think if you are a republican you could be forgiven for saying when it comes to bill clinton, we can forgive personality defects and focus on policy. when it comes to donald trump we
will not forgive personality defects and will ignore the policy. you could make the case. but to go so far as to say that would potentially invalidate an american election which is where they are going i think is very irresponsible. can't character in one debate. >> -- got to take a break. take a look at what hillary clinton has do tomorrow and biggest risk for candidates. after melania trump told she doesn't believe her husband's accusers. ""people" magazine say now a half dozen people have stepped up to corroborate the 'cuser who's a former writer for them. what are they saying or say they saw in a moment.
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hillary clinton and donald trump will face off in their third and final debate. the stakes especially high for trump whose poll numbers are falling. what do both need to do tomorrow night? maria, just in terms of what you want to see hillary clinton doing and what you maybe hope donald trump does. >> i actually think hillary clinton has a complicated debate that she has -- she's going into for a couple of reasons. she eviscerated him in the first debate. played him like a fiddle right? saying all the things and he took the bait. the second debate she did well. she beat him but he talked a lot more about policy. he did talk about policy. he was kind of all over the place. kind of incoherent. even threw his v.p. under the bus. i think tomorrow hillary clinton needs to do a parallel track. i think she needs to talk about the positive vision for the country and that is focusing on policy. not getting too wonky but connecting it with real people.
that is one of the reasons she's bring the people she is to the debate so she can connect what she wants to do for the country to the effect on real people's lives. and also think she'll have the -- if she has the opportunity and i'm sure chris wallace will go into all the negative news about donald trump and the accusers but she also has to underscore every chance she gets that this is a man that has done everything to prove to the american people that he's completely unfit to be president of the united states. >> does donald trump continue to prosecute a case against hillary clinton as he did in the last debate? >> i think he broadens it out. you have mismanagement and corruption arguably in the state department. you have all these unhappy fbi agents angry because they think she was given special treatment. you broaden this to a culture where you have the ruling class, if you will. or the american elite versus the
american people. and that is where he has to go with this. because she is per force, the representative of the elites and the ruling class. >> i think it was ed rollins on, i don't know if the radio today, essentially saying -- he said that it would take a miracle for donald trump to win it. [ background cheers and applause ] >> do you agree with that? >> i don't. >> do you think the polls don't accuraty represent --? >> what i honestly don't know, i have seen for myself at the rallies the enormous enthusiasm and the enormous crowds. and i've also seen through the press indications that there are a lot of folks out there on her side that are just not enthusiastic about her. when president obama has to come to philadelphia to campaign for her. she's going to carry philadelphia. the only reason for him to be there is to try and gin up the base as it were and get people to come out. >> isn't that what donald trump is doing as well? >> he is.
and one thing i didn't hear jeffrey talk about is this question of rigged election. should he continue to talk about that? because that gins up his pace -- base. and it doesn't expand his base at all. some democrats worry it could depress the turnout but what this is really about is making sure voters turn out and hoping there are some voters out there the pollsters haven't counted. should he -- >> yes he should and i'll tell you why as the pennsylvanian. i did a piece eight years ago, statistics from board of elections, new registrations and 57,000 of them were rejected because of funny business. we had a state senator in philadelphia thrown out by a federal judge accusing the democrats of massive fraud. we have a problem with this in pennsylvania. we've had it for a very long time. so this is something to discuss. >> van? >> well look, i see it somewhat differently.
i agree that he has to try to put the system on trial. that is what he's got to do. he's got to say listen, the status quo and the broken system. i'm going to put that on trial. she's got put him on trial and his temperament. if you don't think the system is working. you think the bus is going in the wrong direction you don't put a drunk guy behind the wheel. and she's got to say whatever you think this guy is going to make it worse. i think there is something else happening here. which i think is much more important for ordinary people. this election is sickening people. the way that this is being conducted. the low ball gutter nature now on both sides is curdling the spirit of the country. and i think that whichever one of them at least acknowledges that and tries to point -- you know, your guy really starting to point to that city on the hill it is going to to get a lot of support. >> more with the panel ahead. also next melania trump if you
saw the interview yesterday she said she does not believe the women accusing her husband, including a former people magazine writer. the magazine says six people have come forward to say that the writer told them what she says happened at the time and one woman who said she was actually with the writer when she ran into melania trump on the street which melania trump has denied. details on that ahead. t up to 9t in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's 50+ complete multivitamin. with vitamin d and calcium to help support bone health. one a day.
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there is more breaking news tonight. six people have come forward to corroborate the story of the former people writer who said she was sexually assaulted by donald trump. trump denied the account and suggested that the writer natasha stoynoff is not attractive enough to be interested in her. one part of her story stoynoff recalls running into the melania in new york and melania hugging her and saying quote, why i never she her anymore. >> says that never happened and wants retraction. >> how i could believe her that. never happened. i was never friend with her. i saw her.
she interview us twice and she came to the wedding and for that story. that is it. i would not recognize her on the street or ask her why we don't see her anymore. >> among the six people now corroborating the "people" writer story, her friend who says she was there when that encounter with melania trump happened. also the writer's former journalism professor who said she called him in tears after trump attacked her. joining me now. "people" magazine executive editor. were you surprised by donald -- melania trump's response at all yesterday. you are obviously standing by your reporters story. do you believe she doesn't remember this encounter on the street or is it possible the encounter never happened? >> i'm certainly willing to concede that simply melania doesn't remember. an incident that should be innocuous to her. she wouldn't necessarily recall it in vivid detail. she had no knowledge of what had occurred in the months prior to that incident on the street.
and so, you know, a quick run in with somebody who had interviewed you a few times who, you know, may very well have prompted the exchange and said, you know, hello, remember me. i'm natasha. that is all very possible and probable. but as you said we do very much stand by the reporters story. and, you know, very much believe in her. >> one of the things that donald trump has been asking outloud is why is this being released just now? why didn't natasha come forward at the time? why didn't it come out earlier in the campaign? how do you respond to that? >> this week's article is essentially an answer to that question. this is your response, mr. trump. and the answer is everything from the journalism professor, her mentor who advised her not to come forward at the time when called her in tears because he feared on her behalf the retaliation she would
face, the damage to her career that could be awaiting her. to many other colleagues who have come forward to say she was an absolute wreck when it happened but very quickly she shifted into a mode that i think is all too familiar to victims of this sort of incident, which is she began to blame herself. she began to worry maybe she had caused this. that maybe her recollection was faulty. she had a lot of reasons to want to minimize that. one of the main ones being, you have to remember, nobody else had actually come forward to say anything like this. so she was essentially facing the possibility she could step ford and be completely on her own and a lone voice. and for a young reporter in her position, i think it was understandably a daunting proposition. >> from what i understand ms. stoynoff went from being on the trump beat for many years to never covering them again. >> correct. if you look at how many bylines natasha stoynoff had covering donald trump to where they went after that story covering the anniversary, there are essentially none. she stopped covering him after
2005. and this is the reason why. >> something struck me in the letter that was sent to people magazine by melania trump's lawyers refuting the meeting on the street. it doesn't refute the most damning parts of the allegations which melania trump doesn't believe occurred. were you surprised they are not asking for a retraction specifically on those allegations? >> i think many people have reached a point where nothing that donald trump does can surprise anyone anymore. they are narrowing in as you are correctly saying on a very very small sliver of this incident which we nevertheless have an eye witness to. so we continue to stand by that. it is the only part of the story that directly involves melania, which is perhaps why she feels compelled to share her version of it. because otherwise when it comes to everything else as far as melania is concerned she's only able to essentially rely upon
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so far there are at least nine women who say donald trump touched them inappropriately. he says they are all lying. i asked melania trump what she thinks yesterday. >> a number of women have made allegations against your husband. some of them go back 30 years. do you believe him? >> i believe my husband. this was all organized from the opposition. and with the details that they -- did they ever check the background of these women? they don't have any facts. >> melania trump certainly not the first spouse who's been put in this kind of situation by a politician. she's just the latest. tom foreman tonight looks back. >> reporter: from the campaign launch through town halls,
debates, and the convention, melania trump has stood by her husband against every accusation of improper treatment of women. >> i was surprised because that is not the man that i know. >> reporter: all the while expressing her independence and sounding like another candidate's wife from years ago. >> i'm not sitting here as some little woman standing by my man, like tammy wynette. ♪ stand by your man >> reporter: politics is full of personal relationships colliding with public embarrassment. when new york governor eliot spitzer was caught using an escort service in 2008, his wife and family held firm through his resignation. words cannot describe how grateful i am for the love and compassion they have shown me. >> reporter: but five years later their marriage was done. senator john edwards told his wife, elizabeth, about an affair in 2006. she stood by him through a failed presidential bid and even as it went public in 2008.
>> my lord and my wife have forgiven me. so i'm going to move on. >> will your marriage survive? >> oh, yeah. oh, yeah. >> reporter: oh, no. already struggling with the cancer that would take her life, she left after news he had fathered a child with his mistress. many deny the charges initially. congressman anthony weiner did that when first caught tweeting lewd photos. >> this is a prank, not a terribly creative one. and it's a distraction. >> reporter: but then he admitted it, was caught again, and again. >> it was something that i did that was just wrong. and i regret it. >> reporter: and when he finally deleted his twitter account, his relationship was gone, too. his wife, huma abedin, a top aide to hillary clinton, left him. >> i've been unfaithful to my wife. south carolina governor mark sanford's wife, jenny, knew he was having an affair before the public did and before he slipped off to see his mistress, claiming he was hiking the appalachian trail. >> i had my doubts, but i was
hopeful he was hiking the appalachian trail. because -- >> you didn't worry he was missing? >> i had kicked him out of the house. i had asked him to leave. because he was begging to see his mistress, and it was ripping me up, so i said, you know, you need to leave. >> reporter: they divorced, too, and then he finished his term as governor and is now a u.s. congressman. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> and back now with our political director, david chalian, and cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. we've seen so many instances where a politician's wife is called to stand at a press conference or give interviews side by side. does it affect voters? does it help convince voters if their loved ones are standing by them? >> i think in bill clinton's case, for example, that if hillary clinton did not stand by him, if she had said this is ridiculous, i'm rejecting him, i'm leaving him, i think it would have had a huge impact on his political career, potentially impeachment.
i mean, i just think that her support was so important. so you can't underestimate it. i think if melania trump had gone out there and unendorsed her husband and said i can't stand by him, these things have occurred and i believe the accusers, it would have had a huge impact. what they do is they stop the bleeding on these issues and they say, look, i've forgiven him, you should too. and by the way, melania said he didn't do it. just as hillary said right-wing conspiracy, melania said left-wing conspiracy. >> i do think it's the supreme validator. >> totally. >> what happens is the viewer at home, the voter sits and looks and says you know, this is really impacting her a lot more than it's impacting me or my life. >> she can -- >> so if she can deal with it however she's going to deal with it i'll move on and think about other things. i think that happens a lot. i did notice, watching that tom foreman piece, it's all men who behave badly. >> really? >> we don't have a lot of stories about female politicians who have been exposed to have
these kinds of things and need their husband to stand next to them. i thought it was interesting, anderson, that melania -- remember, there were reports that they were going to do a joint interview together. and the fact she decided to do a solo interview yesterday i thought was very, very telling. >> i think maggie haberman from "the new york times" said on the program last night that the campaign had wanted them to do something joint early on and that perhaps it was melania trump who had decided not to do that. but clearly, not only doing the interview with us yesterday but also with fox news. >> yeah, i think it's harder to do a joint interview. because there have clearly been some serious personal discussions that have gone on. you have to put all those aside and you have to manage this conversation publicly. >> well, also, the conversation a reporter would have with the candidate who's actually accused of these things is going to be a lot more specific and uncomfortable than the one you would have with the candidate's wife. >> and if we're to take melania at her word, she said to you she is in charge of all of her
appearances, deciding what she does and doesn't do on the campaign. you've got to believe she was the one who made the decision to do this alone. >> she's made it clear, she's an independent woman. >> do you think they waited too long to have melania trump come out and speak? do you think it would have been a bigger impact to stop the bleeding if she'd said it earlier in the week? >> sure. i think it would have been more advantageous for them -- >> she's a very effective spokesperson. she's, you know, a very strong person. >> she is, but putting her out in the middle of the maelstrom -- >> that's what i was going to say, all these women kept coming out, so it's sort of difficult to choreograph. >> more with the panel in the next hour of "360." i'll also speak with trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. she'll be joining us. stay with us. coaching means making tough choices.
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