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the final presidential election, is tomorrow. preparing for the debate that could ultimately decide this election, this is our brand-new poll of polls. hillary clinton leading by 8 points nationally. as trump, campaigning in colorado, lobs some of his favor -- favorite charges tonight. >> the media, you have to remember, is an extension of the hillary clinton campaign. it's an extension. and without that, she would be nowhere. the press has created a rigged system and poisoned the minds of the voters. >> trump's repeated charges that system is, in his words, rigged, drawing some pretty harsh criticism from president barack obama, in a news conference in the white house rose garden. >> the notion somehow mr. trump
loses florida, it's because of those people that you have to watch out for, that is both irresponsible and by the way doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you'd want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over. if whenever things are going badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else. you don't have what it takes to be in this job. because there are a lot of times when things don't go our way or my way. that's okay. you fight through it. you work through it. you try to accomplish your goals. i'd advise mr. trump to quit whining and make his case to get votes. >> gloria borger and mark preston, good evening. >> maybe the president will
really say how he feels about donald trump. but welcome from las vegas. thank you so much, gloria. the debate is less than 24 hours away. donald trump is still talking about this rigged election. i want you to listen to him a short while ago at a rally in colorado. >> they even want to try and rig the election at the polling booths where so many cities are corrupt and vote are fraud is all too common and they say there's no voter fraud in our country. no, no, there's no voter fraud. take a look at st. louis, take a look at philadelphia, take a look at chicago. >> so gloria, he seems to be lumping -- first he said there is widespread voter fraud and critics are saying there is no voter fraud, but there's no evidence of wide scale voter fraud is the truth of it. it's just not true. why is he continuing to push this story and as the president is saying he's crying before he even finishes the game?
>> well, you know, the rig the election has two-parts. first part is the media, which he says the media supports hillary clinton so it's rigged that way. the second part is this notion of voter fraud. and what he's trying to do politically by saying all of this is that he's trying to rally his base, don. he's trying to get them so angry and agitated about a possibility that the election might be rigged, they'll get out there and vote and be more rigged, they'll get out there and vote and be more enthusiastic about getting out there voting. the clinton believe they are suppressing their turnout because their voters will be so sick and tired of this election maybe they won't show up or they'll think hillary clinton's going to win they don't really have to vote so they worry -- they worry about this on a larger level, of course.
the question is, voting is the foundation of our democracy and it seems to be very odd closing argument to me to make about a rigged election before you have the election. >> if -- if he's saying it's already set and it's rigged, doesn't he stand the possibility of suppressing his own voters to say, it's not worth me going to the polls? >> no, i mean he's been saying to them, get out there and vote, be careful at your voting stations, watch what goes on when you vote, and i think, no, he's trying to rally the base and energize the base to get out there. >> mark preston what do you think? >> i also think he's setting up a scenario if he's going to lose he has a scapegoat if he's going to lose. gloria is absolutely right. he's trying to rally his supporters, there's no question about that, and we've seen -- like sheriff clark out in milwaukee, don, talk about that, as well, saying you need to go out, you need to vote.
but the bottom line is, this is a very explosive thing he's doing and it's very dangerous, quite frankly. we're supposed to be the leader of the free world and the democracy, and we're supposed to be spreading democracy and he's telling lies there is this widespread voter fraud here, that doesn't necessarily look good on the united states as a super power quite frankly, and listen i think that in some ways, it could get some of his supporters so riled up after the election, there is some concern, we've seen republican lawmakers try to back him off of it because there is some concern if he does lose, he would try to delegitimize the win of hillary clinton, and that's a problem. >> i was talking to a congressman who said if this election was going to be delegitimized, my congressional race is legitimate or illegitimate. that's my members of congress are worried, not to mention the
fact that you delegitimize democracy. but the other thing is, let's take the state of ohio. what happens if rob portman wins ohio and donald trump doesn't? or vice versa? which is legitimate, which is illegitimate? >> he's using some large cities with high african-american populations to see you should watch there, like for fraud, chicago, st. louis, philadelphia. all of these cities with high african-american population and they're highly democratic. what's going on here? what's he trying to say with this? isn't the irony about illinois is he's not going to win illinois and when he's talking about chicago, he's talking about the 1960s and kennedy's win, and was there fraud back then in order to get jfk the presidency and did his father do it. so, the idea that he's going to chicago, harkens back to a time most voters in the election have any understanding of it. when he talks about philadelphia, he's trying to reach back to the point where we
saw the new black panthers come out and supposedly try to intimidate voters at a voting location, however, those voters they were try to be intimidate turned out to be a falsehood, it wasn't a true moment. listen, he's doing it -- he has his reasons but for him to in the election he's got to talk about ideas and how to governor. he's got to talk about how he's going to be the leader of the free world and stop talking about this, because while it might get some of his voters riled up and get them out to vote, he also needs to win the middle, and this doesn't help you win the middle. >> it doesn't have a sense of desperation to it. this is the poll -- surprising state poll numbers. texas, university of houston finds trump is 41%, clinton, 38%, just three points ahead. no republican candidate has lost texas by less than 11 points since 2000. could hillary clinton actually win texas, gloria? >> i don't think so.
it would have to be -- it would have to be such a landslide it. seems unlikely. that is a lot closer than i would honestly think, but it's not ted cruz is now endorsing donald trump, but he wasn't always enthusiastic about donald trump and former governor perry has endorsed him, so it's highly unlikely he's going to win texas, but this gives you some indication of what's going on in the rest of the country, which -- which is that you see these battleground state polls. >> let me put this up -- there's another poll -- >> hillary clinton pulling away. >> nevada, and wisconsin she's up by 8. donald trump has to stop the bleeding to gloria's point, mark. >> and also, quite frankly, look at the state of utah, which there's no way that should be on the board and quite frankly it is on the board now. in the end will he pull it out? probably, but the fact he has to
play defense in the state such as texas, and we'll see how much defense he actually does play, a state like utah, in arizona, where hillary clinton has put bernie sanders, chelsea clinton and michelle obama in, that's another state democratic shouldn't win and he should play defense there. he needs to win pennsylvania, he needs to win ohio, florida. he needs to win north carolina. when you need to win all these big states you can't be playing defense at this point. that would be like hillary clinton having to play defense in massachusetts, which is just absurd. >> there needs to be -- if donald trump is going to win and he could win, there has to be a structural change. some has to happen that could shake up this race dramatically. it could happen. i don't know what that would be, but that's what we're looking at. the danger here for the hillary clinton people that i talked to is there sort of not so fast because we don't want our voters to stay home. we need to get our voters as enthusiastic as the donald trump
voters are. and her enthusiasm numbers becoming up. >> i've got to run, but inquiring minds want to know are they going to shake hands tomorrow? >> well, it isn't going to be a bear hug. >> there won't be an embrace, although they did shake hands at the end of the debate. >> they did? >> yeah, at the end. >> we'll see what happens in the leading up to the debate. last time it was pretty tense, if you'll recall, so we'll see if there are any events preceding the events tomorrow. >> thank you. when we come back, a democratic operative resigns and another is fired and an undercover video shows they hired people to insight violence at trump rallies. we'll dig into that story coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪
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a vote for democrats tonight as operative, their organization was helping hillary clinton's campaign resigns and another is fired. that's after an edited video suggests people were hired to insight violence at donald trump's rallies. drew griffin joins me with more. tell us about this story. what happened? >> these videos were first released by a man named james o'keefe. he's been widely discredited known for editing video if it is conservative narrative, but as a result of what's on the tapes that he released two men working for democracy partners, working on behalf of the clinton campaign, had been relieved of duties, or stepping back on the clinton campaign.
let's show you why. it's on the video, is what they said. this is one released -- a man named scott, seen and heard discussing his hiring of people to attend trump rallies for the purpose of starting fights. >> "and he honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. it's a matter of showing up to want to get into the rally, in a planned parenthood t-shirt or you know -- trump is a nazi, you know, you could -- you could message to draw them out and draw them to punch you." >> we all remember these violent altercations at some of these rallies, so is that what we're talking about here? >> yeah, keep in mind that there is no evidence that anything he said on the tape actually happened but on the tape he cites specific examples where there were events where there
was trouble, las vegas, a rally in north carolina, an event in wisconsin, where he says he worked to insight either violence or get some public reaction from republican officials. >> where is he now? >> we can't find him. he no longer works for democracy partners. he was relieved of duty and bob creamer, one of the partners announced he's no longer going to be working on the clinton campaign either. >> these guys were working on the clinton campaign? >> they were working with the clinton campaign, not for the clinton campaign. they want to make that distinction. democracy partners were working on behalf of the clinton campaign. i talked to kramer today. he said we worked for the clinton campaign in that we were working on various strategies, but technically we were not staffers for them. you should also know bob
kramer, his wife is a democratic chicago congresswoman, jan schakowsky. he described what's being said is bar room talk and he said with respect to scott foval, his comments on tape, they are flat out wrong and we've gone to extreme measures to make sure no violence took place at any of our counter protest events and for its parts the dnc is distancing themselves from the whole thing and no evidence anything on this tape actually occurred. they did agree with bob creamer he should separate from the campaign and they're going to investigate they say james o'keefe to see if he did anything illegal in gathering these tapes. >> it says bar room talk. that sounds very room to what we've been talking about and he's been getting so much criticism for. >> that's absolutely right. is this bar room talk where you're talking about instigating violence. that is what he called it. >> it is politics, but it is awful.
thank you. here to discuss, sally kohn is here, also, bob cusack, editor of the hill, and author of a woman in charge, the life of hillary rodham clinton. the clinton campaigned moved to distance themselves from these operative. do you think there's something to these allegations? >> no, i think that we've all learned and if nothing else, donald trump has shown us that video speaks louder than anything. james o'keefe has a documented history of not only editing videos to make his point, but falsely manipulating. >> and falsely saying that's what they're -- that's what they were hired do or that's what they were hired do is be disruptive at these campaigns. >> the second video looks highly edited and manipulated video. there is a pattern -- a
documented pattern. listen, i want to know the truth as much as anyone. honestly, and this is my side these allegations are true, i want to know them more than anything else should but i happen to know james o'keefe edits stuff in a way. the stuff said is heinous. these are folks i've done work with. i know bob kramer. that does not reflect the organization and that side of the work and he's not there anymore, so -- >> they're on tape admitting that. you're saying that it could be -- it's edited. >> this is an interesting moment. you have trump on tape, and he's denying it and you have women coming out that allegations are true. >> one bad thing doesn't make it okay.
>> i will to bring in carl. carl, it feels like the dnc shot itself in the foot if this is actually drew. >> we need to know a lot more about this and whether these are rogue operators who brought this upon themselves, or whether someone in a higher position at the dnc which seems very unlikely to me ordered them or knew they were doing this kind of thing. let me say one thing about hillary clinton about whom i've been quite critical as you know in this campaign about many things. she nor john podesta, her campaign manager, has any kinds of beliefs in these dirty tricks. hillary clinton worked on the house judiciary committee investigating watergate. she knows how lethal a charge like this is. she doesn't believe in it, and at the same time, we need to get to the bottom of this and if there needs to be a grand jury investigation about both the video of it and the players and what they did, let there be a
grand jury investigation but we need to get to the bottom of it and be very careful about facts and casting aspersions. >> nobody is making excuses here. >> the clinton campaign did try to distance themselves from the story, but is the damage already done? >> this is a damning tape, there's no doubt about it, i definitely agree with carl there should be some investigations. i think congress should investigate this. what was going on, also foval was talking about voter fraud and getting rental cars for voters in other states and moving them around. what about that. is that real? was he just talking? certainly the video -- and it's a long video certainly on foval, is convincing in that they were doing some dirty tricks and it should be investigated. >> look, first of all, this is standard operating procedure. let's not forget. again, that the videotapes only
show certain things and if we're going to judge it, then we should get the entire videotape. that seems obvious to me. what are the questions that are asked? are they asked in leading ways that were hypothetical? we need to know these things. number one. number two, james o'keefe made his own video where he tried to go in and commit voter fraud and the irony is at the end of the day he couldn't do it. he didn't do it and it just goes to prove it is still very, very rare. >> there's another story that's bubbling out there. we'll talk about that, i'll let bob finish and donald trump says this other story is bigger than water gate as it concerns the clinton campaign. we'll be right back.
the clinton campaign wikileak hacks just keep on coming giving donald trump even more fodder for tomorrow night's debate. you were making your point, bob, go ahead. >> i think there has been some fair criticism editing some video, but it was very damning, and listen, one person was fired, another resigned. that does not look like everything was innocent here and that's why i think this timing -- and it's not coincidence that it was released
on the eve of the debate. it helps trump. >> and as carl said -- >> it's very important to make sure that so far we see no evidence of this connected to the clinton campaign itself at the level of clinton campaign headquarters but does need a thorough investigation. there's new scandal that comes on top of another big controversy around hillary clinton. yesterday, we learned a state department official patrick kennedy may have asked the defense department for declassifying a clinton e-mail possibly in exchange for a concession from the state department on another issue. the trump campaign was quick to jump on the report and he's what donald trump said today. >> the fbi documents show that patrick kennedy made the request for all altering classification as part of a quid pro quo. this is many times worse than watergate.
and we're going to put an end to it come november 8th. >> so if i had to take a guess, i would say that carl bernstein might know a thing or two about watergate and my question would be is this scandal worse than watergate, carl? >> no, absolutely not. watergate was about a criminal president of the united states who presided over a criminal presidency from the time he arrived in the oval offensive, until he had to leave. the criminality, regarding her server has been reckless, irresponsible, you've heard her talk about it on air for many months now, and this just fits in with a pat nurse which it -- pattern in which it seems it's possible that a high level foreign service officer was used perhaps to try and get an
altered classification that would have served the clinton campaign's narrative about the server. everything that's happened about the server has pretty much been a travesty, and it's important to look at hillary clinton's record over 30 years in public life, it's -- the server is a big block, the worst probably in those 30 years against her, and at the same time, it pails in u -- pales in comparison to water gate and also i think it pales in comparison to the record of donald trump and what we've heard from him in this campaign and what we learned about the way he operates his businesses, the kind of person he is, et cetera. this is not a good thing to have happened. >> all right, carl. richard nixon was caught on tape and he was saying it was worse than watergate. richard nixon trying to shut down the investigations. here he is not oval office in 1972.
>> so that is a so-called smoking gun moment. does hillary clinton e-mail story have a smoking gun moment, carl? >> not in terms of criminality like that, and also, watergate was not just about the cover up. it was about nixon ordering breakins, and nixon ordering fire bombings of a think tank. it was about misuse of the irs and government agencies. it was about endemic criminality in the oval office. what hillary clinton did was reckless, irresponsible, endangered the national security. she has apologized, perhaps not enough -- >> i'm getting a lot of facial expressions and huffing here. >> listen, i don't disagree with anything that carl bernstein has
said, but we've said this so many times. i mean, she has apologized. we are still talk about the e-mail server. it was reckless. >> she's apologized for it. >> right. that to me is kind of covered terrain here and not only is there no smoking gun, there's not even a smouldering damp water pistol. >> are you saying republicans are desperate? to be commensurate with the horrib horrible, offensive, threatening our democracy level. >> is this the way things work in washington? is this -- >> look, you know, i've never worked in government, so i don't know from folks i've talked with it's not unusual to have inner agency conversations about raising or lowering and they disagree about the security clearance. the quid pro quo piece, there's no evidence that was being
investigated from the state department or from the fbi. it still isn't from actually hillary clinton. this is just digging to try and find something so we aren't always on the media focused on everything trump. >> is this business as usual in washington? >> i think they're showing a side of washington people don't like and i don't think trump should mention this patrick kennedy. nobody knows who he is and the classification debates. one of hillary clinton's staffers told the fbi he took a hammer to one of her mobile devices and the fbio asked for 13 or 14 devices that her law firm was unable to give any of that, so i think that's what's upsetting voters now, and certainly both candidates have major shortcomings, it's just who can exploit them tomorrow night will be the winner of the debate. >> bob, this particular story, when you read it, it is convoluted. it makes most voters eyes glaze over. you don't think it's watergate? >> no, it's not. eyes glazing over, they don't
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the final presidential debate in las vegas, live pictures from unlv, hillary clinton announcing one of her guests will be the outspoken billionaire owner mr. mark cuban and he joins us by phone. good evening, sir, how are you? >> i'm great sir, how are you? >> i'm doing great, thank you very much. just by being there do you think you're going to throw donald trump off?
>> no, of course not, but you know it will at least get him thinking and get the people around him thinking and i think since we already know kind of the way he's going to approach the debate, same as the last two, i think you know getting the folks around him thinking and trying to get them talking to them, i think can have even more of an impact. >> this is just in. maggie haberman is reporting, you know the meet and greet where the families come out with the clintons and the trumps, the clinton campaign is saying that you know they don't want that to happen because they're afraid of stunts happening. do you think that's a good move? >> i don't know. they have to make their own decision. i'm not going to try to overdramatize something like that. they'll be enough fireworks hopefully stuff like that will be forgotten quickly. >> mark, let's talk about the polls. a lot of her supporters were disappointed. they wanted a knock-out punch. before we get to the polls do
you think that's going to happen tomorrow? >> no, he's not the guy you can knock out, simply because there's some guys that are knocked out, they're out of business, they're unconscious and they just don't know it and that's donald trump. you know, he'll keep on getting up, he just won't know where he is. you're not going to knock him out, but i think she got the results she needed after the first debate. the second debate there were more self-inflicted wounds and the third is we'll see more self-inflicted wounds and her job is to bob and weave and let him punch himself in the state. >> when you look at texas now, which is close by a couple points, i don't know if anyone seriously thinks hillary clinton will win texas, but in other battleground states in nevada, and wisconsin, do you think donald trump can make up enough ground at that debate to make a difference? >> i don't think it will have the slightest impact on the battleground states.
the only way that trump wins is if his believers come out in far greater numbers than anybody expected because it won't happen because of his ground game, that's nonexistent. it won't happen because of any organization, that's nonexistent. it's going to have to be very organic and unexpected otherwise we've got no chance. >> what do you think about the whole strategy of bringing up bill clinton and do you think that's going to be a part of the debate especially considering now again that tape is -- that last -- the tape was out there for the last debate, but there are these women coming forward now, do you think that's going to be part of his strategy? >> what for donald to bring up some of -- bill clinton's performers? i don't think he'll play that card. obviously it's going to be an issue and the real question sell
is will any other new names or victims pop up before tomorrow night. >> do you know him -- right? do you -- >> we're not best friends but we're more than acquaintances, i would say. >> you have ever heard of anything like these women coming forward or him being untoward -- >> yes. >> yes and i know one, and it just didn't happen recently. my friend reminded me and it was from 2000 and she -- you know, i don't expect her to come forward. i wouldn't recommend she come forward. i know somebody else from two years ago that won't come forward. so, you know, it's not anything that caught me by surprise. >> so again there is you saying this is not cnn's reporting but tell us what you can since you know him. >> that's what i can tell you. i can tell you -- my friend that was dating this one woman, you know, just reminded me the story they told me right after it happened and put it all down in detail and obviously i remembered it and then i had
another person who contacted me after the race started and told me a story. i don't want to go in since it's all second and thirdhand other than to say it's factually true. i don't have any doubts we're true. >> you're a very wealthy man and i'm not sure if you saw the interview with anderson and melania trump, women basically throw herself in front of him because of money. you're a billionaire yourself. do you see this as being politically motivated? -- or motivated by money? >> yeah, i mean the word "gold digger" is there for a reason and that's gender neutral. i've seen wealthy women who have been attracted, who have men attracted to them. so i think -- who knows, right? i'd like to think they were attracted to me. but who knows, and so -- yeah, i really couldn't speak to that. >> yeah, so let's get back now to the debate. do you think -- >> uh-huh.
>> i think what the common wisdom is, is that she's running out the clock and her supporters would like her to be more aggressive maybe than last time. do you think she should play it safe? >> she definitely should play it safe. it's smart to get to know your opponent, right? if you have an opponent in basketball that likes to shoot the ball in his own basket and self-inflect wounds you get out of the way. if you have a guy who is in a race and he's wearing himself out, you just let them wear themselves out and you understand your own strategy and your own game and you stick to it. the last thing you need to do is jump into the middle of something and make a mistake. the one thing he hasn't demonstrated is the ability to control a conversation, present issues that give him an advantage with undecided voters. that's just no who he is. he's a counter puncture as he
said and he likes to throw haymakers, as well and he's out of the three stooges, and i would just get out of the way and let him hurt himself. >> two quick things, one, do you think the brothers sitting in the audience will make a difference? >> president obama's half brother being invited by donald trump? >> i don't thinking it make a difference at all. there's reason why she prepares and it's obvious he doesn't. the idea is you practice until you can't get it wrong, and that's something i preach with everybody who works for me, anybody who is in athletics, practice until you get it wrong so there's nothing that catches you off guard. she obviously has been through that. he obviously has not. he makes the same mistakes over, and over, and over, so having the half brother -- having any third-party -- she's concentrating so hard. it's a nonissue. >> i want to and you about the whole rigged system. donald trump has been talking about a rigged election saying the media and clinton campaign are working together to steal the election. what do you make of that?
>> that's him being used and played by steve bannon and that group. i think steve bannon's a whole lot smarter than donald trump and it plays right to the breitbart narrative, which will pay off huge dividends for breitbart down the road. it's destroying his brand, and whatever the issue, convincing voters to vote him president. i think the beneficiaries are behind it, i have no doubt about that. >> mark cuban, appreciate your time, thank you. >> any time, don. >> we have a panel assembled from las vegas, andy dean, scottie nell hughes, bakari sellers after the break. this just in, wendy's announces a new swiss jr. bacon cheeseburger as an option with the 4 for $4 for a limited time. with 4 nuggets, fries and a drink for just $4 the swiss jr. bacon cheeseburger. now back to america.
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scottie knell hughes is in the house. clinton supporter bakari sellers as well. i already know this is going to be interesting. welcome. let's hope what happens in vegas doesn't stay in vegas because i need you guys to report the truth to me. van jones, i'm going to start with you. the final debate tomorrow, is hillary clinton of delivering a knockout punch or is it important for her not to make a mistake, sort of play it cool as was just told to me by mark cuban? >> well, look, she has got some challenges tomorrow. she hasn't had to face before. she always had difficulty dealing with this e-mail issue, even when it was much more simple. she bobbles those answers every time. this time you will have a donald trump newly emboldenned, eponizie weaponizing it in a different way. she could take on a little
damage. it is not enough to change the election, he is on a glide path to defet, but she has to figure out a way to answer questions an assure voters who feel her answers an performance in this area isn't real cause for concern. >> that's her big weak spot you think coming up in this debate? >> absolutely, yeah. i mean everything else is perfectly fine. listen, you have donald trump out there basically saying he doesn't have confidence in the american system, he thinks somehow because the media has been mean to him, though the media made him for most of this campaign, but the entire election has been rigged against him. he is being a big cry baby so he doesn't look presidential. the one thing he has going for him now is there are increasing banana peels out there for her on this issue and she's never been good on it. >> let's talk to scottie. scottie, the scientific polls found hillary clinton won the first debate. what does trump need to do to turn things around? >> well, she throws --
>> she won both debates according to scientific polls. sorry, go ahead. >> i'll give you the first one. we can debate the second one. all donald trump needs to do is he needs to answer with facts. he needs to make this truly to be truly policy, and defining himself as being not the washington establishment, which is what she has built her campaign on, is her experience, how great her experience is. he needs to show, really, is that great experience you have? here is your track record, here is how i will be different. listen, the one thing i think we can all agree on as americans is nobody really likes washington, d.c. they think it is a ses pool of filth and corruption and donald trump is the anti-establishment candidate. the more he sells and reminds people that the politicians that got us into the mess are politicians like hillary clinton the better he will resonate with the american people. >> she has been off the trail for quite a few days prepping for tomorrow. is that hurting her when you are wikileaks releasing the hacked campaign e-mails? >> i think some will look alt it
and say she should have been out there so she can answer some of the questions on her campaign airline so tomorrow night will not be the first time she has to answer the questions about wikileaks, et cetera. what we know is she is a skilled debater. it is not the first or second time she has been on the stage one-on-one with someone of equal or lesser debate skills as in this case, she has debated ernie sanders and barack obama. her prep will be amazing. tomorrow nice will be something, you know, i'm somebody who wants her to debate more like she did in the first debate where she was aggressive, not as much in the second debate. i expect her tomorrow night to come out more like a floyd mayweather than a mike tyson. i think she will be on defense a little bit. i think she will be counter punching tomorrow night. the fact is going into tomorrow night she has a better chance of winning arizona and texas right now than donald trump has of winning virginia, colorado and pennsylvania. she is in the driver's seat right now. the question is does she come out damaged tomorrow at all or
can she pull off another victory and go 3-0 and pull off the sweep. >> andy dean, donald trump says he is now unshackled. what will that look like on debate stage? you know, you have bakari talking about prize fighting, giving analogies. this is in las vegas, the greatest show on earth is going to happen. >> right. >> he has nothing to lose. >> right. also, don, i think donald trump clearly across the board, i know there's some polls that show it the other way, but he won the second debate. the first debate, first 20 minutes he looked stellar, and then lester holt shifted to birtherism and taxes and i agree it was a tough hour in that first debate. in the second debate he was fantastic and well-researched. >> according to scientific polls he did not win. >> and he was very knowledgeable. what's that? >> even her own surrogates wish she had done better and been more aggressive. but the scientific polls say she won both debates. >> no, no, don, only the cnn polls. >> stop it with the science,
don. stop it with the science. >> who cares. >> go on, andy. make your point. >> i was going to say what i think trump may bring up tomorrow night and he foreshadowed today in a colorado rally and i thought it would be huge news, but i guess if you're not next to billy bush it is not big news, and it was a 28th amendment which is a serious thing, and it is a curb on big government power. he is calling for term limits for members of the congress. i think it is the first time in american history that a presidential nominee of a major party has called on term limits for members of congress. this could be done, we know, our founding fathers understood there's the national way of doing constitutional amendments and there's also the state way. >> you know why that's not news? >> if trump can get the message through -- >> because nobody cares about that. it is not news because nobody cares. >> i disagree. the american people like it. that's something republicans and democrats, 75% poll with, that issue goes well. most people believe our government is too big and needs term limits. >> i know we have to go, but everyone has said i wish they
would stick to the issues. the issue that happened on the bus, it is not what american people are interested in. now you're telling me this issue about term limits is like the number one. that's all i'm saying, if you're going to say stick to the issues. >> it is a larger theme. >> if you're going to -- this is las vegas, not louisiana. you don't throw stuff in the gumbo when it is not time. >> don, this is all in the recurring theme the government has gotten too large and hillary runs some sort of large syndicate in which she has raised over -- >> and will be on the stage. >> and she will pay people back with government access. >> this has been settled by supreme court first. donald trump doesn't have a 28th amendment issue, he has a 19th amendment problem because women are going to beat him. boom. >> we will be right back. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine.
-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> the debate that could decide this election now hours away. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. hillary clinton and donald trump in las vegas where they'll go head-to-head before the election. into las vegas fashion, trump promising a side show, inviting the half-brother of president obama to be in the audience. you can't make this stuff up. donald trump's troubles over allegations ft sexual misconduct are far from