tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 21, 2016 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
- so that's very, very important for us. good evening. thank you for joining us. how many times in a year can you say what a week? tonight with three weekends to go until the election, the republican party has been doing damage control trying to insulate senate and congressional candidates from a potential trump defeat. democrats and presumably hillary clinton are gaining the voting edge in a number of key states and joe biden today said he wish he could take trump behind the gym. as for trump speaking in philadelphia he's already had words about winning and losing and whether the system is rigged.
begin with traveling with the trump campaign. trump trailing in the polls nationally. what was he saying tonight to encourage voters? and did his words resonate? >> reporter: a couple of things. basically he's telling his voters that the polls are wrong, that the polls are not true and that they should basically ignore the polls. i mean you have got to do something. he's trailing here in the state of north carolina, trailing in several national polls and so you have got to do something to rally your base. and so what we've been seeing and hearing from donald trump here in the state is basically saying things like, look, these polls are put out there by the media. the media cannot be trusted. talked again about the system being rigged. but it is also very clear to the trump campaign that internally they are worried. they are worried about these poll numbers and evidence of that anderson, at least some evidence of that is something that donald trump said tonight that we've not heard him say before. and this is "we need you -- meaning the people out there. "we need you to help turn this thing around."
so that is clearly an indication they are worried about where they stand in the polls now. >> what are you hearing from his supporters and the crowds? do they believe the polls? >> reporter: well, a couple of things. yes, they do believe that the polls are being put out there by what one person here told me the liberal media. so it is resonating with his base. but the problem is anderson, isn't resonating beyond his base. and that is what the campaign needs do. that is what they have been unable to do. so is it resonating with people in the room like where we are here in pennsylvania? yes. the message definitely resonates with the base. the problem is it isn't resonating beyond that. >> thanks very much. whatever donald trump says about the polls republicans have been begun acting to contain the damage to congressional candidates. first of a kind senate ad in new hampshire underscoring the need for republicans to hold on to congress no matter who is
elected president. incumbent kelly ayotte is eight points and not the only one faces potential blow back the donald trump does poorly. by the numbers. >> one of the most fascinating dynamics heading into the last two weeks is how this race, the race for president filling in this map is effecting the control for the battle for the senate. right now 54 republicans. 46 democrats. including the two independents who caucus with the democrats. and every two years. a third is up. those are seats held by republicans. the blue lines currently held by democrats. you can see easily here republicans a defending a lot more seats. democrats think because of donald trump's troubles might get the senate back. and democrats are optimistic late in the race is it possible one or two of these will come
back? yes. but most think these are the ones baked. what's left? among them marco rubio. he decided to run for reelection in florida. this is a competitive race. president obama was trying to have a little fun down there but most people think in the end marco rubio will pull this out watch to the end because trump's troubles in florida, if he struggles and attacks, maybe it comes to play. leave it there. another race. ray blunt in missouri. competitive in a presidential year? it shouldn't be but the race is competitive now. watch to the end. here russ fein gold trying to make a comeback. republicans are rushing money in here late but as we speak most think that will go along with the presidential race staying blue in wisconsin. where are we? one two three four five six left. let's take this off the board. in ohio portman running against
the former governor of ohio. portman viewed as safe to healed -- hold that seat. republicans at 48, democrats at 47. look what's left. in new hampshire, donald trump is pulling kelly ayotte down. at the moment hasset looks poised for victory. time to go. that's where it is today. same in pennsylvania. trump down to close to double digits. viewed as face-to-face right now. here's where it's interesting. democrats with the 49 in this scenario. if hillary clinton wins they only need fifty and then tim kaine would brake the tie in the senate. one two three. three races to get one. including harry reid's seat. this is the only democratic seat people think is in play right now. republicans think even in nevada they can win this state. although trump has been struggling. for now, worried about it. give that to him injure for a scenario.
49, 49, indiana and north carolina. usually reliably republican. trying to make a comeback against republican in indiana. watch that race. and in north carolina, we talk about the green party candidate. the libertarian and presidential race. a libertarian in north carolina could effect the race here. debra ross links him to donald trump saying still stands with trump despite the tape. this could come down to something like this. 48/48, 49/49 with one or two senate races deciding the balance of power. and anderson heading into final weeks republicans are worried. as trup goes down, so do the chances of maintaining the panel. >> john, thanks for that. hang on now with the difference. republicans divided over trump. kevin, this whole notion from trump that the election is rigged. how concerned should down ballot republicans be about that if republican voters stay home believing the whole thing is rigged a lot of these races could easily tilt democratic. >> that is why it's not a smart
message. if anything it is counterproductive to energize your voters to get out to vote. what animated republican -- what republican is animated to vote if they believe that they are participating in an election that's rigged or where their vote won't count? so it is going to have a potential depressive effect on some of these races. particularly when look at the close races in places like john was talking about in places like north carolina and nevada. republicans staying home could be the difference maker in some of those racers. >> kayleigh, do you believe it will actually will spur turnout? the whole rigged notion? >> potentially yes. if people think the campaign is rigged, that the election is rigged they are going to turn out. and just to quickly mention about the down ballot races. i really think there could be a reverse down ballot effect. i've heard anecdotally many republicans say they are not voting on their senator because he's not supporting the nominee.
look at new hampshire where donald trump trounsed kasich by 20 percentage points. those who showed up enthusiastically for trump i can promise they are very disappointed in their senate candidate who didn't support the nominee. it's a rejection of the voters and their choice. >> amanda back in '96 when it seemed bill clinton -- started urging candidates in tough races to start using the argument that voters note give a blank check. underscoring how important it was to keep congress in republican control. do you think we start seeing a similar thing the next few weeks? >> yeah and that is a smart message too. because whatever wins whether hillary clinton or donald trump. most likely hillary clinton, will need a strong republican congress to keep them in check. donald trump is pulling so much worse than many of these senators in battleground states. if you look at the battleground states they are fairly competitive maybe between three and five points.
except for the worst, states faring much more poorly like illinois and wisconsin. but the trump campaign still seems to think that the gop primary is the same as the general election. it is not. the strategy for winning a primary will not translate to the general. that is why you see the terrible polling numbers that donald trump is both having in the battleground states and nationally. >> to amanda's point the universe of voters in the general election is about 160 million. nowhere near the same universe of voters that participate in the primary. entirely different electorate. >> it is a bind for some down ballot republicans because there is voting that indicates they get punished if they dump trump. but if they stick with him they can get punished as well but other republicans. >> i think they are getting punished because people don't see any progress in washington. the whole reason donald trump won against a very talented field of republicans was this is a year of throw the bones out. it is not just a republican thing.
it is not just a democrat thing. there is a total, they are so dissatisfied with the system, that's why they picked an outsider in donald trump. and that is why they are frustrated. some of them with their own members of congress. they are at a boiling point where they want to drain the swamp. get the d.c. cartel out and start over. and sometimes you even vote across party lines. i probably wouldn't be one of the folks do that but some people are at the point where they are so fed up they are ready to start over and willing to give someone else a try no matter who. >> kayleigh, what do you say to republicans in tough races trying to figure out what to do about trump? whether they kind of, you know, just separate themselves from him or continue to embrace. >> you support the nominee. the choice of the people. the republican party seems to forget they do not exist absent republican voters. republican voters this is really important i think. posted a poll that showed that 51% think donald trump is the leader of the republican party and just 30% think paul ryan is. donald trump is the party's
future. outsider candidate is. support the nominee. that doesn't mean you have to agree on everything. if you disagree with something he said you can say that. >> you think if he loses you think he's still going to be around as a leader of the republican party. >> he may not be but this movement will be around and mike pence will probably be the leader. >> do you think he'll be the leader moving forward? >> no. i think he'll be oont the next scheme. but most voters view the republican party noz at some militaristic organization where you must fall in line. all the senators need to run their individual races and talk to voters what is important to them. and a lot of republican voters are not happy with either choice so the best thing members can do in individual races is prioritize their state's needs and talk about the best way to meet the needs of their voters. not meet the needs of their presidential candidate who, you know, has self esteem issues and people not supporting him sufficiently. >> that is such backward logic.
talk about saluting the leader but the leader -- >> no saying the opposite. >> but the leader was put there by the voters. so by saying don't support the leader but support the voters that is backwards logic. >> a gop primary race. this is a general election. we have to go into general election mode and appeal to a much broader swath of voters than donald trump did in the republican primary. >> kevin, what do you say to the down ballot republicans trying to figure what do about donald trump? >> i agree the most important thing is to separate yourself from the troublesome national environment and localize your race. there are two campaigns out there. those drafting off what they thought was some enthusiasm for an outsider like donald trump. and many of those races if they are in swing districts they are going to lose because of the donald trump's depressive effect on the down ballot races. but if you ran a campaign that was personalized and localized like rob portman. he essentially ran for sheriff in every county in ohio and he's probably running anywhere
between 10 and 15 points ahead of donald trump. that is the ideal template i think for folks who are going to survive the donald trump effect in this election. >> anderson, if they wrap themselves around the policies that donald trump talked about, immigration, welfare reform, getting us back in line and not being a continuing to spin out of control, they could easily say look, i don't want agree with our nominee on everything but he's pointed out some key things that define where this country will go for the next four years. and those issues, they can easily embrace because when you put head-to-head issues on the two candidates overwhelmingly the people would support donald trump. >> stick around. kevin and amanda, thanks so much. have a great weekend. coming up next hillary clinton on the trail trying to loosen donald trump's i grip on ohio. and later my conversation with jorge ramos. thoughts on trump's trajectory and what he says is the rise of hate groups in the wake of his campaign.
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>> welcome back. we talked about battleground states and need to expand if he wants to win. but in states like ohio, he's counting heavily on turning out more of the white working class non college educated voters who have been up to now his mainstay. the problem is there are more of hillary clinton's kind of supporter than his and she's doing a good job of getting them in states like pennsylvania. might explain why she's doing a job in ohio. >> reporter: tonight setting sights on the battleground of battlegrounds. the democratic nominee rallying supporters in ohio where polls show the race is dead locked and early voting is under way.
>> whether or not you support me or you support my opponent, together we must support american democracy. >> reporter: overall more than 3.3 million americans have already voted and data suggest democrats have improved their standing compared to this point in 2012 in states such as north carolina, nevada and arizona. but the number of early votes cast is down significantly in ohio, dropping 66% from four years ago. while democrats hold a small advantage there in early balloting it is closer than 2012. with 18 days until election day clinton is making her closing argument on the trail. >> anger is not a plan. we need plans that will help us deal with the legitimate concerns and questions that people have here in ohio. >> reporter: and on television, releasing a new ad featuring khizr khan, the father of a muslim american soldier killed
in action in iraq in 2004. >> i want to ask mr. trump would my son have a place in your america? >> reporter: after two consecutive days of trading jabs with trump face-to-face, including a thursday night's al smith dinner in new york. >> it is amazing i'm up here after donald. i didn't think he'd be okay with a peaceful transition of power. >> reporter: clinton today lobbing attacks from afar. >> well, that was the third and last time that i will ever have to debate donald trump. >> reporter: that as her campaign continues to deal with the awkward fallout from the daily release of hacked e-mails by wikileaks. the latest batch includes an exchange between long time clinton aide cheryl mills and huma abedin last november, discussing the possibility al gore might not endorse clinton despite serving as her husband's
vice president. mill sends a copy of an article about gore's non endorsement prompting this response from huma abedin. that was 16 years ago. hard to put on e-mail but there is no love lost in the relationship. reminder that he also refused to endorse in 2008. mills replies i know that is why i thought this time would be different. to which she responds, no it's bad. >> gore eventually did endorse clinton and the two campaigned together in florida earlier this month. >> what i am most excited about is to be here with one of the world's foremost leaders on climate change, al gore. >> joe johns, cnn cleveland, ohio. >> let's bring in the panel. press, pierre.
watson, and mcen inny and. it is interesting seeing the behind the scenes, or reading the behind the scenes on the gore/clinton relationship especially when you see juxtaposed last weekend in florida all buddy buddy. >> his heart still breaks, winning votes and never getting the chance to occupy the white house and seeing hillary clinton running that same year now up. one of the impressive things about the last dozen days is the number of key surrogates hillary's managed to get on the trail versus where donald trump has been. i still think one of the least-talked about things is what happened with melania and ivanka in the aftermath of the billy bush tape. we remember that hillary clinton jumped to her husband's side in '92. shriver did the same thing in 2003. i think the fact that trump hasn't had good surrogates way beyond not having a good field office and field operation i think when e we look back the achilles heel.
>> to carlos' point hillary clinton has been, whether debate prep or raising number but essentially not running in the public eye such as donald trump in the last couple of weeks. and yet she has these surrogates out there and she can send them to various states all at the same time across the country. >> yeah, she has one of the most popular politicians in this country out there talking on her behalf who's been incredibly effective. michelle obama. and president obama one poll had him at 58% popularity. which incredibly rare. vice president was out today. so yes, i think she has the benefit of having strong surrogates, incredibly popular who can go into these states. arizona, michelle obama was there yesterday. she is trying to flip, you know, these red states that, you know, donald trump is trying to defend. and it is unusual. you are right this is an unusual time. so i think she's in a much
better place. >> made the point several times on the show that hillary clinton for all the surrogate power she should be doing much better in the polls. that she hasn't been able to get more than she has right now. >> well i would invite kellyanne conway to sit down right alongside me of and i'll show her numbers. you if you look at the polls, all networks. abc, cnn, whatever. she's up an average of 7%. some as high as 11. if you look at the battleground states, politico today showed they have 11 states donald trump has to win. she's ahead in 6 out of 11. the washington post identified 15. she's ahead in nine of those. and then look at the electoral college. cnn, larry sabato, the university of virginia, washington post all have her over 300 electoral votes. what is kellyanne talking about? this is going in one direction and i don't think you can turn it around in the time left. and if i may add the fact that hillary clinton was in ohio
today, this is like the icing on the cake. she doesn't need ohio but she's tied in ohio and now she's making a play for ohio. so roll it up. >> kayleigh, donald trump says he's going pack wall to wall events until election day. >> and that is very smart on his part. i would argue with bill press about this, you are right about the polls you cited but there is one poll that was said to be the most accurate in 2012 that was statistically the most accurate in 2004 and 8, that is the investors business daily poll that is ahead by one point. i think there is a brexit phenomenon. and i think polling confirms that. bloomberg poll, some didn't want to tell the pollster who they were voting for. i'm fairly certain folks were voting for donald trump and i'm fairly certain there were a lot of donald trump supporters who don't want to be in the basket of deplorables who just hang up when the pollster calls. i do think there is a three or four point average afolks who are scared to be inside the basket of deplorables.
alongside andre and i. >> adorable deplorables. >> you're not in our basket of the deplorables. i want to play something vice president biden said on the trail today. >> he said because i'm famous, because i'm a star. because i'm a billionaire. i can do things other people can't. what a disgusting assertion for anyone to make. the press always ask me, don't i wish i were debating him? no i wish we were in high school, i could take him behind the gym. that is what i wish. >> kayleigh what do you make of biden there. >> i've always thought biden is one of the most likable democrats. i think he would have ran away with it running against hillary clinton. but i don't think this angry tone suits him. i think more effective with the
likeable tone. that level of anger, i just think folks who are turned off by trump's temperament, the they are, i think would likely be turned off by that as well. >> interesting biden is talk about not wanting democrats to give up on white, working class voters. and that is why in ohio he seems to be trying to appeal to them in these closing days. do you think he can win over some of those voting for trump? >> he has a unique approach. i don't think that is it. immediately that ties me to a news story a couple of days ago where the democrats are inciting violence at trump rallies. i'd immediately tie those together and say look they are talking about violence. he wants to take trump out back to the wood shed. i think he's a better surrogate doing other things. i don't think he should do that. i think she was spot on. people like him. and when he's likable. when he has that persona he's much better at delivering his message than a hostile and aggravated vice president. >> i just want to say i had an opportunity to work with joe biden when i was in the white house the first couple of years of obama's term. and look, the thing we have to
understand is joe biden has spent his entire career fighting for women, fighting against sexual assault. and i think hearing these accusations, you know, against donald trump, it really has troubled him. and what you are seeing is just the emotion, the reaction from that. this is -- like i said, this is someone who has put forth legislation. seriously he has. he's put his entire life -- >> -- god and ted kennedy. raped a woman. and >> -- joe biden -- >> -- out back in the senate building -- >> -- talking about the folks you just mentioned. >> the one thing i would jump in and say is kayleigh talked about maybe three or four points of people who aren't speaking up. i think it could flip the other way actually. as you see more people step away from him. and i watched pat toomey in pennsylvania. senate candidate steps away, could break the other way. i think hillary clinton could have the biggest win since
reagan in '84. the first double digit win in thirty years. >> 18 days to win over voters. donald trump trailing hillary clinton by 50 points among latinos. we'll talk about why that is and how trump's remarks about that bad homre bre may play that the days ahead. (both) also america's largest, fastest network ever. oh, you're just repeating everything i said? (both) oh, you're just repeating everything i said? i'm switching to verizon right now! (both) i'm switching to verizon right now! (announcer vo) there's no better time to switch to verizon. now get the next gen network and the best value with no surprise overages. switch and get 20 gigs and 4 lines for 160. all on america's best network.
just 18 days to go. the clinton campaign is making a push in arizona. one of the red states they're hoping to turn blue. a new poll showed clinton leading trump by five points there. 43% to 38%. the poll was done before wednesday's final presidential debate when trump said this about undocumented immigrants. >> we're going to secure the border. and once the border is secured. at a later date we'll make a determination as to the rest. but we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> the clinton campaign is hoping to leverage trump's comments about immigrants and drive turnout amongst latinos in arizona. whether the tactic works is an open question. today randy kay talked to a group of latino voters in arizona. >> reporter: how many of you have voting for donald trump? two.
and how many are voting for hillary clinton? three. in phoenix this group gathered at arizona state university is split. despite trump's hard line on immigration and comments about the latino community, some are supporting him because of his business background. >> reporter: why do you think donald trump would create jobs or help the economy for latino population? >> he's a businessman. self-made. he's entrepreneur. creates jobs. >> just because you are going to get a job for him or some mexicans or hispanics are going to get jobs, at what price? what is going to be the nature of the united states now after he -- of course he's not. but in case that something happens and if he wins. he's going to be a disaster. >> reporter: and what about the wall trump wants to build at the border with mexico? on that our group was also split. this woman wants immigration reform instead. >> if you are going to build a wall they are going to build tunnels, so let's just focus on the problem and take care of it once and for all.
>> trump's talk of a deportation force rounding up millions of illegal immigrants and shipping them out of the u.s. has also turned off some voters. >> reporter: if trump does win and we have a deportation force what would it look like and how would you feel about it? >> that is going to be chaotic. it would put us in a crisis mode. >> those in the group voting clinton like she's not looking to separate immigrant families. why should they be able to stay here illegally though if they came here illegally. >> i'm for family. i'm for grandmothers being close that their grandchildren and keeping the family together. it is inhumane to force families apart. >> reporter: the latest polls show hillary clinton leading donald trump by five points which has both campaigns heavily targeting latinos. the divide among them became even more clear as the conversation among our group grew more heated today. >> -- hurt you so much about talking about mexico. are you a mexican from mexico or
are you a mexican from the united states. are you loyal to the united states. i'm an american citizen. what are you? it's a yes or no question. what are you? >> i'm a u.s. citizen. i was born in the united states. >> as a member of the latino community how can you be voting for donald trump? a lot of people can't understand that. what you do say? >> what i say is look, look at what you have these past eight years. we're talking about nogales arizona, douglas, yuma. it is impoverished. these hispanics seen nothing but democratic rule for eight years. impoverished, the infrastructure is gone. they are tired of it. >> reporter: those saying no thanks to trump are tired of his pandering to the latino community. such as this image eating a taco salad. on cinco de mayo. the caption read "i love hispanics." >> donald trump is not a good representation for the united states. he's not what united states is
all about. >> clearly the group was divided. were there any issues they agreed on? >> well you heard it there. you could tell they were certainly split on the building of the wall. but one thing they do agree on anderson is the fact the border needs to be secure. they all agree there are some criminals coming across, some bad people. drugs included. the question is how to do it, what to do about it. because the border is a very very touchy subject in this community. because many latinos here know people who have come across illegally. they know people living here illegally and have very concerned about what trump plans to do to get rid of these people. and there is also some concern about what they call donald trump's broad brush of the latino community. feel as though he's painting all of them as criminals and rapists and they are certainly not happy about that but the trump supporters we spoke to said, you know, their number one concern isn't the border for the wall or immigration. they care most about the economy and jobs. and they really believe donald trump is the guy to turn things
around and get the wealth back into the community. >> 14 months ago, long before donald trump won the republican nomination he had this dust up with jorge ramos. from univision in press conference in iowa. >> sit down. sit down. go ahead. no you don't. you haven't been called. go back too univision. go ahead. go ahead. [inaudible] sit down, please. you weren't called. [ inaudible ] yes, go ahead. hi chip, yes. >> ramos was eventually allowed back into the room and got into an exchange with trump over immigration. i spoke to ramos earlier about the election. his new documentary "hate rising" which focuses on the
hate groups that have embraced the trump campaign. started with the fact that arizona has only gone democrat twice in the last sixty years could go to hillary clinton. what does that say to you about the failure of donald trump to reach out to hispanic and latino voters? >> it means that bad hombres doesn't work. if you continuously use stereotypes to describe latinos and immigrants, it isn't going to work. i saw the last poll in nbc and the wall street journal. donald trump has 17%. >> mitt romney got 27%. >> 27% and he lost in 2012. mccain got 31% in 2008 and he lost. with 17% it is impossible you can win. so here we have two theories. donald trump believes he can win only with the white vote and then the rest of the country and the trend. in 2044, whites nonhispanics
will become a minority. the trend is well under way. it's been shown this politics. if you keep saying latinos are bad hombres, criminal, rape is. you cannot say okay you are a rapist but please vote for me. doesn't work this way. >> does this impact the republican party for moving forward? or do you think this is just particular donald trump? because the republican party did identify this as a problem in their autopsy after mitt romney lost. >> they haven't learned their lesson. after romney lost they clearly understood, we thought they had clearly understood that they needed to do something with latinos. george bush did that. karl rove did norse that. he got 44% of the hispanic vote at one point. and then i think it took them too long to put a distance between them and donald trump. and now they will be remembered as the party of donald trump. it is going to be terrible for the republican party for generations. >> you think this could have a generational impact on the party?
>> i think so. i think we will be judged as journalists and politicians will be judged how we reacted with donald trump. this is a mccarthy momentum. one of those historical moments where we have to say i reject racism. i reject discrimination, i reject sexism. and when a party, a major party decides just to stand by the lines and not be really assertive, i think people will remember. >> what about the democrats? do you think they have done -- clearly they have done a more effective job of reaching out. but do you think they have done enough? look at hillary clinton even among millennial -- she's obviously leading among latino voters but among millennials in the community there is lack of enthusiasm. >> i agree there is lack of enthusiasm. but the thing is this election is going to be a pleb osite on trump. yes or no on trump. >> and you think latinos are going to come out because of that.
>> simply because of that. on the other hand many times democrats are taking latino for granted. president barack obama promised he was going to do immigration reform during the first year h. he didn't do it. and not only that he has deported more immigrant, 2.5 million. more than any other president in the history of the united states. so here you have a president who got a massive support of latinos and then that's about it. and hillary clinton by the way she promised not to deport children and not deport -- >> at your debate. you pinned her down on it. >> so we'll remember she promised she's not going to deport any immigrants who does not have a criminal record. >> i talked to jorge about a lot more, including donald trump's bad hombres remark at wednesday's debate. the rest of the interview is just ahead. oh. well, i'm heading back to my room. (announcer) want to wake up at super bowl 51? super bowl! (announcer) enter courtyard's super bowl sleepover contest at courtyard.com for your chance to win.
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throughout the campaign donald trump has said latinos love him even in the face of polling that says otherwise. he had a chance to mend fences with this important voting bloc during wednesday's final debate and then there was this. >> one of my first acts listen -- will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad 1s -- we have some bad, bad people to
get them out. we're going to get them out. we're going to secure the border and once the border is secured at a later date we'll have make a determination as to the rest. we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> and here is the rest of my conversation with jorge ramos. when you heard donald trump say bad hombre. first i heard him say bad ombre meaning hunger. i was like, i don't think so. >> spanish, it's not a bad word. but it's a stereotype. and all the stories i've heard said immigrants are less likely to be criminals or to be behind bars in comparison to native born. >> we were in a panel discussing afterwards and the two trump supporters on it were saying she was offended by the use of that -- by donald trump using
the only spanish he's ever spoken. and the two trump supporters were saying you are just being too politically correct. it is not offensive at all. i think if somebody is offended you sort of stop and listen to them and try to think and see things from their perspective rather than tell them what they should and shouldn't be offended by. >> it is not a bad word but he's simply using stereotypes. it is very complicated for him to get the latino vote. he does not have the latino vote. he doesn't. >> you have been working on a documentary "hate rising" which is just coming out. really looking at the rise of neonazi groups and white supremacist groups in the wake of this election campaign. what have you found? >> i found that hate is rising. the number of hate groups reached almost 9 hundred. increase from the year before >> and once barack obama took office it had already started to grow.
>> yes, but the year donald trump announced his candidacy the chapters of the ku klux klan grew from 72 to 190. last year 22 people killed by white supremacy, mosques attacked. we are seeing increase in numbers of hate groups here. and not only that, it is social media, where you see also these attacks. and i had the opportunity to talk to two victims. one somali immigrant. speaking swahili with family because she grew up in kenya and in restaurant, one took a glass of beer and smash it in her face simply because she wasn't speaking english. a mexican immigrant got brutally attacked by two brothers in boston simply because he was a mexican immigrant, that is happening right now. and it seems that donald trump allowed them to say things that before were only being spoken at home. i interviewed an imperial wizard of the ku klux klan who told me
that simply because he's white and i'm latino he was superior to me. and then i went to ohio, for instance, to talk to a group of neonazis and white supremacists, and i didn't say a word, anderson, for 3 hours. because it was not safe for me to say anything. hd they discovered i as immigrant armed and drinking. director said not to say anything and i didn't. >> just say you were me. >> your older brother. >> i get that as well. >> going to happen again. >> what do you hope people watching this take away from it? >> that is it is dangerous. unfortunately regardless of the selection, hate is here. and i'm really concerned that these expressions of hate are going to continue. because first people think about
it, then they express it, then they act upon it. i don't think it's going to end. it's >> all right, "hate rising"? >> "hate rising." >> jorge ramos, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump said time and time again the election is rigged and won't say he will accept the results unless he wins. does he have a legal leg to stand on? we'll break it down next. go, go! [ rock music playing ] have fun with your replaced windows. run away! [ grunts ] leave him! leave him!
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donald trump raised a lot of eyebrows in the last debate when he said he'd refuse the election results. that he would look at it at the time and keep you in suspense. since then, he said he'd accept the results if he wins. and he's constantly saying on the campaign trail that the whole thing is rigged. this is from today in pennsylvania. >> remember, folks, it's a rigged system. just remember. it's a rigged system. it's a rigged system. don't ever forget it. that's why you've got to get out and vote. you've got to watch, because this system is totally rigged. >> well, if he loses, there's no way for him to legally challenge the election results nationally. it would come down to asking for recounts in individual states, a process that's very expensive and historically, unsuccessful. tom foreman joins us with more. tom? >> reporter: anderson, each state has its own rules for recounts, and they contain many, many complicated details.
but in general, this is how it works. there are 20 states plus the district of columbia, which call for automatic recounts, if you have a very close vote. for example, in michigan, if it's less than 2,000 votes separating the winner and loser, automatic recount. beyond that, 43 states that would allow the candidates to petition for a recount. there are five states out there that allow the parties to ask for a recount. and beyond that, you could have 17 states that let voters do it. but this could be a very expensive proposition. for example, the state of washington had a gubernatorial race with a recount in 2004. it cost more than $1 million in the seattle area alone, it was about 60 cents per ballot. there was a recount in minnesota, in a senatorial race in 2008. that was $460,000. and we all remember florida back in 2000, the bush/gore race down there. there was a state recount going on. it was stopped by the courts, but "usa today" and "the miami
herald" went ahead and did their own recount of just 60,000 disputed ballots. it took three months and cost $500,000, anderson. >> so how often do these happen and who pays for all of that? taxpayers? >> well, they're not really common. there's a group called fairvote.org that look at voting practices and they take a look at all of the votes that happened at the statewide level from 2000 to 2012, and they found the number of recounts, out of hundreds and hundreds of races, just 19. now, generally, if it's an automatic recount, yeah, the state may pay for it. but if it's requested by somebody, the requester pays for that recount, unless, in some cays, it's proven that the originally vote was fatally flawed. they're taking a real risk if you want to launch into this. and fair vote analyzed the results of this. they found that the recount of the hundreds of races, the difference between the original vote and the recounted vote was
this, a tiny, tiny sliver of 1%. and the number of times out of all of those races and the very few times you get a recount that they actually managed to flip something around, a total of three times was the result reversed in the end there. so it is a real long shot to say, i'm going to call for some kind of recount and hope for a really different result, anderson. >> tom foreman, thanks. up next, it is the end of one of the final few weeks of campaigning. a long week, even longer for donald trump, with hillary clinton leading in both national polls and key battleground states. we'll have the latest on both candidates and the turmoil in the republican party in the next hour of "360." the new pixel phone by google. only on verizon. okay, google, show me korean restaurants in boulder? (google assistant) i found a few places. (announcer vo) the only network than can power the first phone with the new google assistant, unlimited photo storage, and a stunning vr experience. how is this possible? (announcer vo) so buy a pixel, only on verizon,
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