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consumer's premiums will jump by double digits in some cases next year. donald trump was quick to jump on that. here he is just a short time ago speaking in front of some of his employees at one of his florida properties. >> but obamacare's just blowing up. and even the white house, our president, announced 25 or 26%, that number is so wrong, that is such a phony number. you're talking about 60%, 80% in increases, not 25%. obamacare has to be repealed and replaced. it has to be replaced with something much less expensive for the people. and otherwise this country's in even bigger trouble than anybody thought. >> joining us right now is cnn's cheech business correspondent christine romans and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. guys, great to see you. so, christine, there's a lot in this. what do we know from the report first of all? >> the most important thing here is the sticker shock. you're talking about a 25% on average increase next year for
folks in the federal exchange. 25%. think about one important bill going up 25% for premiums. that's a lot. you've already got people complaining about really high deductibles that they can't handle. it's wide variation across the country. indiana for example. typical premium there would go down 3%. but arizona, it's going up 116%. it is a patchwork and maybe that's what donald trump was talking about there in that sound bite but it's a really big patchwork. this is a work in progress. the administration will tell you. and this is a transition where they're trying to find the pricing here that's going to work. premiums are soaring. here are the challenges. premiums soaring. enrollment critical. you've got to get more young people in. >> that's what they're banking on. >> the young people who are healthy. instead of taking a fan or penalty, they go in there, they buy insurance. that offsets the sicker more older patients. that's not happened. you have to keep insurers in the program. so there's not a lot of choice in some states. >> that's a lot of the why but for voters what they care about
is the whether. the whether is my premiums are going up average of 22%. that's got to have a political implication, dana. >> absolutely, so telling, the states that christine just put up. arizona is a swing state. arizona is a state where the clinton campaign they were hoping to make some inroads. with the premium going up 116% and if donald trump does what he did this morning which is stay on message. since obamacare even came to be, there's been no more powerful message than obamacare is messing you up. now they can say this is proof. it could help him not only keep arizona but potentially in a lot of these other swing states. >> other numbers folks are looking at this morning. new poll numbers out. clinton up 5 nationally.
tracks with being up 5 earlier this month. what does that mean today, a fort night out? >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i'm not even going to touch that one. >> sorry. >> what it means is the race is frozen. it is a 5% gap which is similar -- i think it's exactly the same frankly, the last poll we had. and so it is if you're the trump campaign looking at those, looking for some good news, that is good news. and that he has not had a great couple of weeks. and the gap is still the same. if he can stay on issues as his campaign manager says over and over again -- >> like obamacare. >> especially when they have a gift ironically from the obama -- the obama government, the obama administration rather with these numbers. you can use it. >> what i have to tell you is 27% of people who are going to get obamacare are going to get a subsidy that's going to keep them at $100 or less.
it means it costs more. there are government subsidies. that are going to prod those young people in. but it's still messy -- >> the bottom line, they will be paying more. you talked to kellyanne conway, donald trump's campaign manager. >> that's right, we were talking about the very thing we were just discussing, why donald trump veers off into talking about things that don't benefit his campaign. and what she says to him when that happens. shep sa she said she was with him this past weekend when he was supposed to give a good speech about draining the swamp. instead, he was going off script, going after the women who accused him. listen to what she said their discussion was like. >> i don't sugarcoat at all. >> give me an example. i'm donald trump and you're kellyanne conway and you say something that makes you mad at a rally. >> i told him yesterday on the
plane you and i are going to fight for the next 17 days and i said why and i said because i know you're going to win and that comment you just made sounds like you think you're going to lose, and we're going to argue about it until you win. >> and what's his response? >> he's like, okay, honey, then we'll win. >> we'll see if that happens. the fact that she is saying this publicly, that she really, really needs him to stick to the issues, gives you a sense of what it's like to be donald trump's third campaign manager trying to rein him in and trying to make him as conventional as he needs to be to actually win the race. >> that's interesting. they sometimes do have publicly different views on the same subject. >> having a public celebration it two weeks out from the election. >> that's what it is. >> she's not the only one trying to send the candidate a message through his favorite medium, television. >> dana bash, christine romans, thank you. want to talk more about this with cnn political commentator, former adviser to president
obama, david axelrod who happens to be a chicago cubs fan. >> happens. >> more on that in a moment. david, i want to start with obamacare which is obviously a big deal today. a 22% increase in premiums is a lot. you know, what does hillary clinton do with this news which is nothing but bad news for the current administration? >> well, she's been saying so far as i can say, she's been speaking to those rate increases and talking about the fact that she will take action to try and reduce those rate increases. it's been mostly -- her rhetoric has been mostly aimed at the insurance companies. but look, the next administration's going to have to make some adjustments to obamacare. we should make clear, whether voters do or not is another question, that we're talking about a relatively small universe of people who are in these exchanges. most people have insurance through other means who are on medicaid, medicare. but this is a -- it's a small
universe of people who are being affected here for the reasons that christine said. younger people aren't signing up in the numbers that had been hoped originally. so that has to be worked on in the next four years. it seems doubtful to me this is going to be the decisive issue in the election but certainly will be fodder for donald trump in the days to come. >> all right, but this was such a big deal for the obama white house. i mean, it is called obamacare. it is such a big deal for democrats in congress and senate getting this through. hillary clinton obviously has staked a claim on health care like this. the fact this is coming out two weeks before the election, not just that, that people are voting right now in key states. to you, do you think that this -- is this enough that republicans can say i told you so as they're heading to the polls or is this an october surprise too late? >> i will say that they will say i told you so, whether it's enough to influence large
numbers of voters at this point to change their vote, i think that's highly, highly unlikely. you know, it is something for donald trump to talk about other than rigged polls. and accusers of misconduct on his part. and he -- if he's smart, he will seize on it and talk about it. but i don't think it's going to be the decisive issue in this election. i think that so much has been baked into the cake at this point that the notion that this will sway what has been a pretty large trend line for a while seems very remote to me. >> well, in fact, he has already talked about it twice today and it's only 11:09 eastern time so that tells you something -- >> every appearance -- it would be unusual for him to stay on a topic for a long period of time and not -- >> so stay tuned. >> we'll see if he can do that.
>> you know, and there is an opportunity for him, multiple opportunities for him to speak because donald trump is on the trail quite a bit with multiple campaign apeerance apeerances a hillary clinton really has stuck to at tfter the debate one appearance, one speech a day in a state. that is different in elections than i've covered in the past where two weeks out you're going to two, three, rallies a day. is she working hard enough right now? could she, should she be doing more? >> well, i think she feels like she has control of this race and she's being strategic about how she spends her time. it is curious to me that they're not making more stops than they are. you know, and on the other hand, when you look at trump, he often treats these events as sort of open mic night, and part of what the clinton campaign is counting on is trump himself, who creates
problems for himself, often when he's on the road at these rallies and then they play off of those. she also has the advantage of a lot of high-powered surrogates who are covering a lot of territory for her. mt president, mrs. obama, the vice president, her own running mate. so she's well fortified in a way that donald trump is not. that may be part of the calculation. >> all right, david axelrod, let's talk about the important stuff. we have to talk about the cubs. >> finally we get to the bottom line here. >> we like to bury the lead. that's what we like to do in the show. you are a lifelong cubs fan. hillary clinton born in illinois, said she was born a cubs fan, then she became a yankees fan. do you accept her? >> yes. well, look, she is -- here's the question. i believe hillary clinton -- she is a cubs fan. i have no doubt that she's a cubs fan. there's a pit you were her enthusiastically watching the final outs of the cub victory,
clinching the pennant on saturday. here's the dilemma. they're playing the cleveland indians in an important swing state, ohio. so how enthusiastically she goes out and touts her cubs fan dom is a question and i don't know whether they're going to have focus groups or polling on this. my hope is she will throw all that aside and let her true cubs fervor show. >> 2008, president obama, then just senator obama, bravely went to philadelphia and said, i'm a phillies fan with the phillies in the world series. a few days later went to tampa and said i'm a rays fan with the rays in the world series so, you know, there are risks for politicians right now. >> i have to tell you that in 2008, i went with him to a rally in boston and you'll appreciate this, you're a red sox fan, the -- they gave him a hat. the yankees were playing the red sox that weekend.
critical series. they gave him a red sox hat to wear and he threw it away, said there's no way i'm wearing that halt, and he said, i'm a white sox fan. it would be dishonest. so he goes out to the crowd and i said, well, that's good, that shows good judgment. he goes out to the crowd and he said, they want me to wear a red sox hat and i told them it was the wrong color sox. everybody boos. i'll tell you this, when we're playing the yankees, i'm a red sox fan and they all cheer and i thought this guy could get elected president. >> we want you on the record, your prediction, cubs are going to win it in how many? >> i say cubs in six but i'm secretly hoping for five so we can celebrate at wrigley field on sunday night. >> and if they don't win, david axelrod, what are your could be continue j contingency plans, are you going to be okay? >> i have a watch group that will look over me for several days after.
i'll be under close observation. listen, the truth of the matter is the cubs are young they're talented, everybody wants to win this year, but i have no doubt that some time, whether it's this year, next year the year after -- >> you're already hedging, david axelrod. >> i don't believe you for a second. you're already equivocating. >> i have to cling to that. >> come on, man. >> i have to cling to that. this is how i'm going to get through if it doesn't go the right way but i'm very, very confident they're going to win the world series. >> now he just jinxed it. now he went too far the other way. >> david, we have to bail you out, you're hurting yourself now, man. nice to see you, david. hold it together, man. also this, the tough message or maybe even more of a plea to donald trump from someone who tried to defeat donald trump. next, we'll speak with ted cruz's campaign manager. what would ted do? >> florida -- i'm sorry, florida says, actually, donald trump says he cannot win the white house without winning florida, which is like me saying i cannot
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ticket. will donald trump be a drag on republican senate and house candidates? >> right in the middle of the final debate remember between trump and clinton, the former campaign manager for ted cruz tweeted this, hold it together, man, it's all on the line, not just you, all of us. let's talk to that man, jeff roe, former campaign manager for cruz. great to see you. >> thanks for having me on. >> if you were with ted cruz two weeks before election day, running his general election campaign, before we get to the hold it together, we got to ask this, two weeks out from general election, you're managing his campaign, this obamacare news lands in your lap. what would you do with it? how excited would you be? >> it would be a very exciting day, i must admit. this is awful news for the democrats. the centerpiece of the obama presidency. a candidate running to be the
third term of the obama presidency and you're just handed a gift and everybody guests the letters roughly the same day. it's so like a direct mail piece into 300 million people's homes. it's a wonderful opportunity. i would be pouncing up and down on this all day. we always thought this should be a referendum on obamacare because the democrats have to stick with it and republicans have is up a winning issue even with independents. in fact, many people look toward this day even during the republican primaries thinking this would be in october, these are all going to come out, everybody's prices will go up, co-pays will go up, so this will be a glorious day for the campaign. i think it will be for trump because it's still part of the narrative they're pushing. >> said it would be like a direct mail piece. you think like a campaign operative, how many points, how many mail pieces. so let's talk about the debate. right in the middle of it, most of us watch twitter with one eye and the debate with another and your tweet came across. like wow. you're basically warning donald trump to keep it together. that was during the debate.
in a more global sense in this campaign, what do you mean by that? >> well, about a half hour into the debate, i actually tweeted if this continues, we're going to keep senate, keep the house and he's going to win. i mean, i thought the first 30 minutes of that debate was incredible. mt second 30 minutes of the debate was like, okay, come on now, we're okay, this is still going to be good. in the last 30 minutes, i thought he got off the rails a little bit. all the public polling. we do polling for all our clients all other the country. this race isn't out of whack. it's starting to resemble a lot like 2012, 2004, starting to break along party lines. obviously clinton has a little lag with her democrat base. and trump certainly lags with the republican base. but it's start to -- there's behavioral outputs of the voters. starting to resemble tendencies is you see in more traditional presidential campaigns. so it starts breaking along
power p party lines. the fact of the matter is this is like a layup. this last debate should have been a layup. we have wikileaks. we have all these things. the obamacare premiums. there's a lot of intrinsic opportunities for republican candidate this cycle that shows exactly how devastating and how energized people would be to make a course direction, a direction in course. 70% of people want america to go a different direction and here you have somebody who truly embodies continuing the course in clinton and certainly an agent of change which would be really any republican but for sure trump. i feel like they just mishandled some of those situations. but it's still in play. it's still a margin error race. a lot of people saying the fat lady's singing. i'm not sure if i can say that this cycle or not. rhetorically, the fat lady's singing. >> maybe she's warming up. you've also got donald trump for donald trump though, all the, you know, problems for hillary
clinton, but for donald trump, you've got, late in the race, the "access hollywood" tape coming out and the list of accusers coming out. when you look at the timing of it all, your guy, ted cruz, endoshsed donald trump just days before this "access hollywood" tape came out. when he p did, the videotape ca out, john and i were talking, is there, was there regret he made the endorsement when this all happened? >> no, i think -- the way that mr. cruz approached this is if it's a hanging chad election, which is a nail biter election, and he withheld his support, and it made that -- withholding of his support actually helped elect hillary clinton as president, he couldn't speak at night. i mean, the direction this country would take with the supreme court and all the policy differences that have been laid out in nauseam in this campaign.
as a binary choice, it was actually -- as he got there, he didn't get there obviously before cleveland, but as he got there, he became very comfortable in the choice. >> jeff, level with us though. when that "access hollywood" tape came out, did you have any moment where you sat there and said to yourself, how come this didn't happen in march, or in april, when ted cruz was going toe-to-toe with donald trump? >> sure, no, that would have been a vachtly different -- i take it from two different partpart s one, i don't know if i changed my opinion. we studied mr. trump up close and had a full-throated conversation about the direction of the country with him for several months. so it didn't tell me anything that i probably didn't already expect. but i think there is some sort of impro pryty here when they've had this tape for how many years and it just happens to show up. i think it was actually on october 1st for an october
surprise. october 1st or 2nd. you know, you think about how many things -- how many times theme had an opportunity to put this forward ands a -- and what else is out there as far as cutting room floor for "the apprentice" and that sort of thing. i don't think you've seen an organization keepings in for that long. >> do you wish you would have done more research yourself? >> well, i can't break into nbc and get their tapes, but short of that, i think we did -- we have a lot -- we put out a lot of information flow, a lot of information, but he was starting to get in a situation where he was getting equal parts of conservatives, moderates, libertarians, and so that is really a conservative atack that you would use against him, and so it was really -- that had already been kind of decided by the point that people were starting to vote. they were already willing to accept some of his irregularities as a candidate, if you will.
and so we did a lot of research. we know him up and down. i looked at the wikileaks research on trump. they didn't have anything we didn't have. short of breaking into nbc and getting all the footage that they cut, i don't think there was any more for us to get. >> just establish, you are voting for trump, right? >> i am, sure, i'm going to vote straight ticket. >> so who's going to win this race? >> if the election were today, hillary would win. but it is a margin of error race. it is tied or within the margin in all the key battleground states. think about this, if we were sitting two years ago, saying, okay, the republican nominee is going to win iowa, they're going to be either tied or really close in florida, they're going to win ohio, they're going to be competitive in maine, they're going to be competitive in pennsylvania somewhat, i'd take my chances this year. but we didn't know that at the time. now we have a situation where there's new maps in play. so nevada's more in play. mr. trump was up, you know, big.
now it's more of a tight race. this was all margin of error. the number one determinative on how elections will go is who people think will win. that's why i think the democrats are playing a wonderful game right now of making this a fait accompli, this is over, the fat lady's warmed up and singing. it's actually not. it's actually a very close race. and so that indicator, though, of people who they think will win is starting to rise, and that's very bad news for the trump campaign. >> jeff roe, great to have you on with us, come back again. >> thanks, jeff. >> thank you. all right. as for the other side, president obama is now openly mocking donald trump day, night and late night, so how far is too far. it's endless shrimp at red lobster. with another new flavor you never saw coming... grilled, glazed korean bbq shrimp. and try as much as you want of flavors like
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face which might in part be because you're a newlywed, congratulations. >> thank you. >> secondly, your former boss going after donald trump which he seems to relish. he wants hillary clinton to win. dan, you get the sense there's something going on that's more than that. it's almost like it's personal for the president. >> i don't think it's personal. i think he has taken this approach because donald trump's a joke. he's a offensive joke,unfunny j, but he's a joke. and taking him too seriously gives him more credit than he deserves. >> dan. >> also, he was on jimmy kimmel and seems like not the place to offer a detailed policy point by point takedown of donald trump. >> but, i mean, 40-plus percent of the country does not think donald trump is a joke. >> it's like 38, but yes. >> depending on where you are, yes. is it personal, though, for him, for president obama, because he's going further than
presidents past have. >> i think donald trump is -- this is very -- donald trump is very different than john mccain or mitt romney or bill clinton or barack obama or george w. bush. and it's appropriate to treat him differently. but it's not personal. the president does not take it personal that donald trump was the -- was the lead proponent of a racist conspiracy that the president wasn't born in america. he thinks it's bad, someone like donald trump is bad for the country. but he wants hillary clinton to win because she'll be best for the country. he thinks it's important trump loses by a lot to send a message. about trumpism, more broadly in its future of the republican party, but it's not a personal thing so much as he thinks it's important hillary clinton wins and donald trump loses by a lot. and he is, he thinks about donald trump differently than i
think other presidents have thought about other candidates running for office. but that makes sense because trump is different. >> never in our lifetime. have we seen a president work so hard to elect his successor. let's move on to some other subjects. donald trump tomorrow opening a hotel in washington, d.c. mike pence we learned, his running mate, headed to utah. you took some glee in this. just as you took glee in the appearance on jimmy kimmel. possibly the dumbest use of candidate time two weeks before an election that i haver seen. explain. >> well, donald trump is not going to win d.c. your candidate should only be in states that are going to decide the election in the 14 days before the election. he should be in florida, ohio, colorado, pennsylvania. states that he needs to get to 270. being in d.c. seems like a dumb use of time. i also think less dumb but
doesn't make a ton of sense for pence to go to utah either. utah is not going to be the difference between 270 or not for trump. they have biggest problems and should focus on the bigger states. but trump has run a horrible particularly dumb campaign. that's just not my opinion, it's the opinion of all the most respected republican strategists who looked at it. it's been amateur hour. this is another example. >> you've been involved with transition before. campaigns, you worked through the transition. a lot of articles written about how hillary clinton has gotten the wheels transition work behind the scenes. what is going on behind the scenes do you think right now? >> well, if the clinton transition's anything like the obama transition in '08 and what i understand to be the romney transition planning process in 2012, they have -- they are working behind the scenes to analyze all of the recent executive actions, understand what they're coming in with to put together and most importantly help snatch the government to come.
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so have we mentioned the fort night? one super pac going nuclear using donald trump's own words
in a new ad. >> one nuclear bomb can kill 1 million people. that's more than all the men, women and children living in columbus, ohio. >> a guy running for president of the united states talking of maybe using nuclear weapons. nobody wants to hear that. >> why do we make 'em? why do we make 'em? why do we make 'em? >> the ad ends with the caption be careful who you vote for. a new ad in ohio. joining us, amy bremer. doug high, former communications director for the republican national committee. great to see you. doug, we don't know who's behind this group.
we don't know the donors to this group because it's a new group out and they don't have to disclose yet. we know the ad is running in ohio. effective right now two weeks out to be putting this out? >> i think it is effective right now. this is a tough ad. reminiscent of the 1964 daisy ad against barry goldwater that was devastating to his campaign. and really plays to what we'll seen from donald trump for well over a year. erratic behavior that makes a lot of voters question his stability in office. i would say as a republican, i think there's a lot of voters out there who look at hillary clinton's failed record as secretary of state in places like libya, russia, sibia, and also question whether or not she should be commander in chief. >> donald trump in the middle of a three-day sprint through the state of florida. obviously a crucial state. how do we know that? he just told us. listen to what he said a short time ago. >> you have four events today in florida. >> right. >> that is a mutt win for you, correct?
>> i believe florida's a must win. i think we're winning it. i think we're winning it big. >> 29 electorate votes. you can't go to the white house unless you win in florida. >> i think that's probably true. >> donald trump tantamount to admitting water is wet but it is true he can't win without florida. also saying he's winning big there. do you think that's the case? >> thanks for having me, good to be here. you know, i do thing he's winning there. you could say it doesn't matter. i hear it all the time. that the people that show up don't necessarily always go vote. but you can't tell me that people have stood in the cold, in the wet, in the snow, rain, whatever, other the past year and a half, to see donald trump, and then he gets 20,000 people at a rally in tampa last night. i do think he's winning. i think he's right. when, if he stays on message and talks about obamacare and the economy and the issues that americans care about, i mean, in florida, premiums are going to
increase approximately 20%. arizona, 11%. those are the issues that americans are going to be voting on. and he needs to stay on message. thing he can win this. i absolutely do. >> he's a work horse. he was -- he did five events yield in florida. four today. the guy doesn't stop. >> so doug, amy's saying he needs to stay on message. it seems at leert for the moment he's gotten that message. >> the last two hours. >> the last two hours, he's spoken twice. he talked about obamacare. is that -- if he does stay on message -- and look, if you look at the history of this election, that is a very big if -- is that enough -- >> donald trump never stays on message. we shouldn't applaud him because he doesn't say something crazy for two hours. in politics, it's a disaster. what we've seen for the past week or so, a big part of donald
trump's message is sue the lying women. that's not one of the issues that he needs to connect with voters on. why he should be on message, it also may be too late. what we're seeing from the early vote numbers from north carolina, florida, two must win states, democrats are outperforming where they typically have. in arizona, hispanics. are outperforming where they typically have. donald trump has a real problem on the ground because things that he says and because he has no organization to get his voters from those events to the polls. >> we got just a few seconds left. mike pence yesterday sent a message come on home to republicans right there. if donald trump talks about obamacare, maybe there's a chance to bring some of those wayward republicans home. >> the american people are smart and maybe people in washington and new york don't want to believe it, but you can't tell me that people are going to go out and vote on things somebody might have said versus what's happening to their pocketbooks and the money they're having to
spend on health care and it was and food. that's what americans care about. we'll see if two weeks. we're in the homestretch. >> just a fortnight. >> hillary clinton and the democrats are outperforming republicans. >> they're not in absentee ballots, no, they're not. >> there's an difference between absentee and early voting. it's a complicated thing. you can both be sort of right about this. >> let's count it both as a sort of win. great to see you both. >> good to see you. >> all right, donald trump, he is now talking about obamacare a lot over the last few hours. why? because these premium hikes, they are a real thing. a government report saying going up more than 20%. so is there fear within the clinton campaign, the democratic party? we're going to ask a key hillary clinton supporter coming up.
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all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obama care. you folks, this is another group. is that a correct statement? i mean, you look at what they're going through, what they're going through think the health care is horrible, because of obama care. so we'll repeal it and replace it. >> that was donald trump, just this morning, jumping all over the news of the premium hikes coming for folks using obama care, as trump puts it, it's over for obama care. >> joining us to
discuss democratic member of congress joyce beattie from ohio, representative. leave aside the moment that donald trump's employees don't get health care through his own company. apparently saying they do through obama care.
not sure what he means. but he says premiums are going up, options going down and the fact hillary clinton wants to keep obama care going is disqualifying. is this something that will hurt the clinton campaign? >> absolutely not. when you think of some 20 million people are now insured. when you think of college students now being able to stay on their parents' insurance at 26. think of pre-existing conditions now no longer being an issue. i think the american people understand 20 million people now insured, 3 million children now insured. i'm also not sure what he meant about his employees being in obama care, and
why he's not insuring them, and i also am not sure that they're all even in obama care. i think what we have to do is get it right. sure, we're going to hear a lot about the 20%, 22% increase
hike, but actually that is not what's happening to most americans. more than -- >> congresswoman, this is a report coming from the obama administration about obama care. i mean, yes, it is not all, everything is the same. >> it is not all -- >> but -- but the fact of the matter is, prices going up. options going down. insurers pulling out of some markets. how is that good news for you guys? >> okay. but what you have to understand, i, too, read the report and when you read the secretary's report it will also tell you that more than 70% of those insured are finding plans that are $100 or less. it's also quoting that for maybe five states it is not across the board that that's happening. there are some insurers pulling out? absolutely, yes. is it a perfect plan? absolutely not. but i think the real question
is, do we throw the baby out with the bath water and start over with a non-existing plan that donald trump is talking about? that's absolutely crazy. do we listen to what candidate hillary clinton is saying? that we're going to tweak the plan and fix those things and continue with the plan that has a great foundation. >> so you do admit, or do think that there are some problems right now for some americans who are seeing their premiums go up, just to be clear. yes? >> i will say that the plan is not perfect, and there are some changes that congress and president-to-be hillary clinton should work on to fix. it is not perfect. we've all acknowledged that. >> i want to change gears just real quick. there was -- in "new york times" an interesting article about african-american leaders and their concern in the last few weeks of this race and the chairman of the congressional black caucus, congressman g.k. butterfield you know well said,
i'm concerned about the african-american vote. we've got to get them to turn out in african-american communities that equals or surpasses the white turnout. how concerned are you, african-american voters will stay home? >> i think what congressman butterfield and i support him that we're not taking anything for granted. i think that's how i would say it. it is very important for our base to get out the vote. not only to elect hillary clinton as president, but for us to exercise our right in voting. too many people died for the right to vote. so absolutely we want our message to be clear, that we want african-americans to come out and vote. we're not taking anything for granted. we will make a difference. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. is to mae and grow businesses. and i've never seen a rocket ship take off like this. [owner] i'm lindsey. i'm the founder of ezpz. my accountant... ...he's almost like my dad in this weird way. yeah, i'm proud of you.
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