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america divided. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. 12 days to go. 126 them. and one way or another, america will be very different the day after election day. though this race is far from over. >> we should just cancel the election and just give to it trump, right? >> well, that's a joke, folks. of course. but trump's voters definitely won't be laughing if he loses.
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will they revolt? and will the gop survive? >> we are going to start with breaking news here on cnn tonight. a close call for donald trump's running mate, mike pence. his plane skidding off the runway at la guardia airport here in new york. a stormy night with low visible. the plane came in too fast and landed too late. rescue crews getting passengers off the plane quickly. everyone is safe according to a spokeswoman for the trump campaign. noticeable damage to the runway. if you look closely. although the campaign tells reporters there is no structural damage to the plane, pence was on his way to a fund-raiser here in new york which has been called off now. he tweeted this tonight. so thankful everyone on our plane is safe. grateful for our first responders and the concern and prayers of so many. back on the trail tomorrow. donald trump saying this at a rally in ohio tonight.
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>> i just spoke to our future vice president. he is okay. he was in a big accident with a plane. the plane skidded off the runway and was pretty close to grave, grave danger. but i just spoke to mike pence, and he's fine. he got out. everybody's fine. >> the faa says it will investigate that accident. so let's discuss the day in politics of the i want to bring in mark preston and david swardly. close to grave, grave, grave dang e a big, big accident smoo what a way to explain it. look, this is a circumstance where you have candidates up in the air all the time. thankfully, everyone is safe. in the past we have lost politicians in plane accidents. mel carnahan, the governor of missouri died in a small plane crash in october of 2000. he was running for the senate. paul wellstone died in 2012.
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connect of congress, ron brown, his plane went down in croatia. several more have happened. in the end, thankfully everyone is safe. >> my point is that is a bit of an exaggeration. we are glad he is okay. but this was a fairly minor. >> it skidded to have runway. but these guys are in the air all the time. >> let's listen to this. >> just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump, right? what are we even having it for? what are we having it for? her policies are so bad. >> he is mug forth the crowd. but a lot of his supporters believe he could be cheated out of a win right? >> they do. we did a poll this past week and asked them this specific question, do you have confidence that the votes are going to be counted accurately. the clinton voters, 88% said
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they would be counted accurately, only 49% of trump voters thought they would be counted accurately. it goes to show you what the divide is in this country politically and particularly in this election with these two candidates. >> trump is raising the specter of rigged follows and rigged election. listen to what he said on the bill o'reilly show. >> a lot of calls were made from texas, the lines are massive. they were talking about flipping, you know, where they press a button and they press it for me and another name comes up. >> do do we have data or facts. >> no, they call in. >> election officials investigated and said there is nothing wrong with the machines. it has been user error and voters can cast their ballot correctly and have been able to vote for trump. i have a feeling we are going to be hearing a lot of these stories and it's going to get messy. >> yeah, look the texas story is worth looking into.
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there can be user error, machine error, there can be lots of iraer autos. but there is no evidence that rigging was involved. and in my view there is no evidence there is some kind of systemic fix in on this election. we talked about this a lot. in that same o'reilly interview donald trump talked about the idea that it's not just that he is talking about the voter rigging, the system is rigged. he blamed it again on the media. the last few days he has specifying he is making a broader critique about the whole system. the point is, one, this is no evidence. two, we have been at this a year and a half. voters have an enormous amount of information about donald trump and hillary clinton to allow themselves to make an informed decision in this case. we at the washington post, cnn, other outlets do this very diligently every day. reporters are out there every day. and the idea that information is beingity hid hadden deliberately or that the fix is in, it's just not established.
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>> of course that's what the liberal fixed media, right. >> right. >> you know what's crazy about this, although it makes sense to his supporters when he has rallies of 12, 15,000 people. what he is saying is that the liberal media, the republican establishment and everybody else is all against him, can you imagine what strange bed fellows that would be if the fix was in that we were in bed with the so-called gop establishment with the liberal media. >> i'm wondering, mark, because we've been talking about his messaging and staying on message, even members of his own campaign have been hoping that he sticks to the script and that he stays on message. i'm wondering if he has hurt himself by bringing up the women who accused him of kissing them and groping.
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listen. >> i think it was negative. it was locker room talk. the mikeio phone was not supposed to be on. not that i make that excuse for myself. it was an illegal act, nbc. >> you think it was illegal putting that tape out. >> absolutely. that was a private dressing room. >> are you going to take action after the election against nbc. >> you will see. you are going to see after the election. but i will -- i will tell you, first of all, shouldn't have been said. but it was -- it was locker room talk, and yeah, i mean we are going find out soon enough, i will tell you. >> so we do this for a living. you are on a bus. you are getting a set up shot. they say we are going to get a shoftd you two walking off the bus greeting this woman. that's not private -- >> that's certainly not a dressing radio. >> that's part of the process. >> my understanding there were other people on the bus as with he will. >> 12 days out until election he is bringing up the damning allegations.
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if you are his people wouldn't you say shut up about that? >> five hours ago i was on wolf blitzer's show. and he asked me, can donald trump stay on message. he seemed to do that today. i'm sure his advisors are waiting for him to go off message. it took him just a few hours later to go off message. when donald trump is attacking hillary clinton about wikileaks, when he is talking about how he is going to make america great again, when he talked with obama care, trade deficits, he does better. when he is talking about the access hollywood, which he could get away with not addressing in such detail that's not good for him. >> trump has been trying to reach out to african-american voters trying to expand his appeal. i want you to listen to donald trump in a rally in ohio talking about the inner city. >> we're going to work on our ghettos so that you take a look
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at what's going on where you have pockets of areas of land where you have the inner cities and you have so many things, so many problems, so many horrible, horrible problems. the violence, the deaths, the lack of education, no jobs. we're going to work with the african-american community, and we're going to solve the problem of the inner city. we're going to solve the problem. >> david why -- why does he continue to do this? and why aren't his advisors educating him? could they not know better as well? what's going on here? >> three problems, don. one is that to the extent donald trump is outreaching to african-american vitaers it's too little too late. in our new washington post poll, hillary clinton is plus 81 points among black voters.
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he is not going to catch up a week and a half out. another problem is the language he uses. people are going to come after me on twitter saying this is being politically correct. part of being able to talk to a slice of the electorate is to be able to sort of use their language. people don't use the word ghetto anymore this this context. just like you don't use the word negro or ariental anymore. it is not a matter of political correctness. it's a matter of being polite and respectful and understanding where the discussion has done. lastly it's that on policy, right? he gave a speech yesterday where he talked about his new deal for black america which i don't think fully resonates with the black electorate but at least was an earnest attempt. but then he underwould up stepping on that message today and being all over the place and not driving the point home. as mark said he has a tough time staying on message. in terms of his advisors, i couldn't hazard a guess.
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utah is a traditionally red state. and donald trump should have it safely in his camp. he doesn't. as of today, cnn considered utah
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a battleground. that's partly because trump is struggling with mormon voters and because of the independent candidate who is a utah native. there he is. he just popped up on my screen. thanks for coming on. the latest monmouth university poll shows trump leading 34%, 28% for hillary clinton. you are coming close there at 20%. why are you doing so well there. >> most other polls have us in a deadlocked tie or even above donald trump. we are excited about what is happening here. we came here and are spending type in the mountain west because these are the states who rejected donald trump and hillary clinton. these are people looking for a per choice in this election. this is where we are spending more time as we get closer to november 8th. >> you said you are a modest campaign with a modest goal. when you look at this map, when you look at the 270 that you
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have to get, even if you get utah, evan, i mean you are going only to have six lore lock torl votes. that's not a path to the presidency. what is your engame? >> well, actually, that's not absolutely true. if the race is close between donald trump and hillary clinton and we one or two or three states in the mountain west then that means we can actually block them both and take the election to the house of representatives, where we like our chances. now the truth is, hillary clinton is dominating donald trump in most projections by such a large margin that the race isn't close right now. but i go can happen in this kind of race in the next ten days. and we'll see how it develops. but we are going to be ready to block them both if the race is tight. regardless, though, we are building a new conservative movement that is open the all kinds of people regardless of their race or religion. we believe it's important in this race to stand for equality and to stand for the cause of liberty. we don't see either donald trump or hillary clinton doing that in the way we think it needs to be
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done, or at all, so we are standing for that and building something new which we think is absolutely necessary to provide the kind of leadership that this country needs. >> okay. so you said you want to block both of them. and you take it to the house of representatives. i'm wondering, do you agree with donald trump? do you think it is a rigged system? do you think that changes need to be made to the system? >> i don't think it's rigged system. if there is any rigging of the system at all it's being done by vladimir putin hacking our computer systems and using other means to influence and undermine the u.s. election process. no. but otherwise i don't agree that it's rigged. i think i would like to see the system, the process opened up a bit. i think given that we have from the major parties both hillary clinton and donald trump, two candidates who are so hugely unpopular, and i believe unfit for the responsibilities they seek -- i do think we need new voices in our election processes. but i don't think that means the process is rigged. >> okay. i want you to listen to mike pence rallying voters in utah.
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here he is. >> this is our chance to make a difference. i mean, the truth of the matter is, there is only two names on that ballot that have a chance to be president of the united states of america. and while i'll always respect the right of any man or woman to cast their vote in the manner that they see best, i have got say to you from my heart i truly do believe a vote for any candidate other than donald trump is a vote for a weaker america at home and abroad. >> that's him on wednesday in your territory in salt lake city. what's your reaction? >> well, i would say this is exactly what they want us to believe. both parties want us to believe that we have to choose either donald trump or hillary clinton. the truth is, americans don't want either one of them. we want better choices in this country. we need better leaders. we needs wise and honest leaders
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who will put the interests of americans first. if we keep choosing hillary clinton or donald trump we are going keep getting hillary clinton or donald trump. we are standing for something new it's time for a new generation of leadership, and a new conservative movement that will be open to people of all races and religions a movement in this country that will take to us a brighter future than we will have with either hillary clinton or donald trump. we have got to build it now in this election not after november 8th when others will have failed to stand up for what's good and true. we know we need to do this now. that's what we're doing. >> i want to read a tweet. lou dobbs fired off an angry tweet writing look deeper he is nothing but a globalist romney and mormon mafia tool. what do you say to that? >> i would love to hear from lou what exactly the mormon mafia is. i would love to hear him
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describe what that is. i think it would be an interesting combination. it's sort of a silly thing. we've been having fun with it. a lot of people across the country have been having fun with it. in a i with a it's not surprising. donald trump and his supporters have been attacking people based on their race and religion and gender. the reality is this one is for everyone, this country is for people who are of all religions, no religion at all. this country is for people who have skin like mine or skin like yours. this is a country for everyone. and we cannot have a president or a movement in this country -- we cannot tolerate it if they are going to attack us based on who we are. in this country, we believe that all men and women are created call. and mindy fin my running mate and i i are standing just for that. >> he did it right here on this show, he said he could no longer support or endorse donald trump. you say donald trump is losing badly. chaf, et cetera rescinded his
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endorsement of the act test hollywoodin at that tweeting i am not endorsing trump, but i am voting for him, hrc is bad for america. even though he said he could not look his 15-year-old daughter in the eye and still endorse him after what he saw and heard on that tape -- what do you make of that reversal? >> i've got say i'm deeply disappointed by that. you know, eventually our leaders have to start standing on principle. they have to start standing on principle at the very least when we are being attacked. when americans are being attacked our leaders need to stand up. especially when women have been attacked in this election cycle by donald trump as consistently as they have been. by the way, that tape, that was nothing new -- the trump tape, that was nothing new. he has been attacking people through the election based on their gender, their race, their religion. if our leaders will not stand up to that and not stand up for us,
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what business do they have leading us. >> evan mcmullen, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, don. >> up next, could there be violence in the streets if trump loses the election to clinton? ominous warning signs. tonight. farm fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipes, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook.
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donald trump repeatedly claims that election is rigged, despite all the evidence showing that's not true. what happens if he loses? let's discuss. ari fleisher, white house press secretary for george w. bush and kevin madden, republican strategist. i'm glad to have you both on gentlemen. >> good evening. >> great to be with you. >> you first, kevin. the new york times is warning of a revolution if hillary clinton wins. i'm going to say that again, warning of a revolution. when you pair that with a tweet, joe walsh calling for folks to grab their muskets and you have the wisconsin sheriff saying it's pitch fork time and what else? something i forget what else. >> right. >> and torches. this is serious, right?
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>> well, look, we are at that time in this election where the rhetoric gets pretty heated, and people are trying to drive a lot of enthusiasm among supporters, and they're trying to make a case about the stakes of this election, and sometimes that can go over board when you talk about grabbing muskets and things like that. when you listen to secretaries of state and listen to the vast majority of the elected officials around our country, they have a great deal of confidence about the integrity of our election and have made it clear to those participating in this election. so i take my cue from a lot of those leaders and i feel pretty confident that america will once again in this election, test its democracy on election day. >> i wonder, if you've heard anything like this before from
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the "new york times"? they spoke to many trump supporters here and one of them is saying, jared wholebrooke of wisconsin is saying if donald trump lost to hillary clinton, it could lead to another revolutionary war. people will march, he said, he works at a call center. they're going to need to do whatever to get her out of office because she does not belong there. if push comes to shove and mrs. clinton has to go by any means necessary, it will be done. >> yeah, i don't like this rhetoric. i don't like when al gore was objected to, and there were several members elected into the united states congress. i'm too young to remember the election of 1,800. >> come on, ari, really? >> just a little bit. but back then they said you couldn't walk across the street without fear of get caned. the have it reole was so bad between adams and jefferson's
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forces. this rhetoric is wrong and i denounce it. i also denounce the republican violence that took place that got fire bombed this week, there was vandalism on trump's star on the sidewalk and a couple years ago there was an attempted murder in the family research center in washington, d.c. that was politically motivated. so i deplore the violence and i deplore the rhetoric. >> here's the thing, ari. we'll get on television and argue in political ways but that doesn't mean we don't like each other. >> that's right. >> and i see you -- and we talk or disagree or maybe have a beer. people at home it is much more serious than that. i'm wondering if you're worrying about the skewing. in any way of the current reality. some of those in right-wing media said trump was winning and ahead in the polls and the only way he can lose is by rigging. i'm wondering if the conservative media is doing an
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injustice by skewing the reality? will be so disappointed if he does lose. >> they are. just as left-wing media was doing the same thing in 200 with al gore. it's wrong and you have to be on the look out is what does whoever loses and i think that's donald trump, what does he say. if donald trump stirs the pot, it's a very dangerous thing to do. leaders cannot and should not do that. i would be surprised at the end of the day if that's what he actually does. if the race is extraordinarily close, you better believe both sides are going to lawyer up and we'll be right back to where we were in 2000 where people are fighting for every last second and vote. but if it's a lopsided victory you need to accept it in this country. >> kevin, what do you say about that? >> first of all i agree with ari's main point, which is extremism and rhetoric that goes beyond the pail is not being monopolized just by the right
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for left. we see it on both sides. >> what's happening now is before the election has even happened -- and i'll go with his -- with the premise saying that it happened with left-wing media -- so-called left-wing media after the fact there was a contested election but go on. >> what about the violence in north carolina to a republican party? >> it's not -- it's not just situational, don. it's systemic on both the right and the left. i think where i agree with you is that what i would worry about with donald trump's current rhetoric right now is that he is doing what i think many enemies around the globe want to see which is trivializing democracy. and saying that the election process is rigged beforehand. i do believe it is incumbent upon those secretaries of state, whether republicans or democrats, and leaders in washington or around the country, who are republicans and democrats, to make the case about the integrity of our democracy and how important our
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system is and that peaceful transition of power is a very important shining part of our -- democratic traditions and that's what i would worry about. and that's why it's incumbent upon leaders they point it out and disagree with it. >> you just articulated my point better than i did because you're much smarter. >> impossible. >> i want to play something from the first lady and hillary clinton campaigning down in north carolina today and they're putting the role of women front and center in this election. watch this. >> i wish i didn't have to say this right? but indeed, dignity and respect for women and girls is also on the ballot in this election. >> as hillary said we want a president who values and honors women, who teaches our daughters
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and our sons that women are full and equal human beings worthy, deserving of love and respect. >> ari, are they right? is respect for women and girls on the ballot? >> you know, i try to elevate the debate above that type of slicing of the american people into such terms, you know, of course it was the clinton campaign, the clinton foundation who doesn't pay women equal to their men and i find every election cycle you see these issues thrown at republicans. they said george bush was racist, john mccain is racist, and mitt romney is racist. it's the same rhetoric that's taken out against republicans every cycle, and i think that's one of the reasons we're just a divided country. it's a tactic democrats make every race including when al gore said -- and this isn't about women but when al gore said republicans wanted to recreate slavery, put y'all back in chains. this is the divisiveness of the
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democrats resort to every cycle. >> i've got to push back. you hear so much about donald trump that is just there and if i could just fire up the tapes -- s rude to anybody. >> that doesn't make it right, >> no, it doesn't make it right. and that's why he's in so much trouble. they want to laebl him. racism, misogynistic. he made fun of rand paul's looks on stage. donald trump does that and is kind of a throw back to way men were in the '50s and '60s. if he didn't act like this, he might have had a chance to win this race. i'm not putting up with it. i have criticized it when he does it. but i think it is a different issue. he reacts to everyone. >> he reacts to everyone. does it mean he's all of those things on the spectrum of his reaction? >> i think he has conducted himself in a manner that's offensive and boorish to just about everyone he crosses and that's a big problem. >> kevin?
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>> we went into this election knowing that one of the trump cards -- with a small t, no relation, democrats thought they had with republicans, this is war on women. ari and many others believe that was an unfair characterization of republican policies. but what we did was, by nominating donald trump, we walked right into that trap again, because donald trump has, you know, in many ways personified the worst of republican policy making it when comes to women and just his personal behavior. we brought this on ourselves and that's why it's incumbent upon our colleagues, amanda carpenter reported republican men need to stand up and make a stronger case for why donald trump is wrong. we can't let things like sexual assault become a partisan issue that. should be a bipartisan issue where republicans and democrats come together to fight it and that was i think one of the big losses that we had in this particular election. >> and that's why you have people like jason chaffetz, congressman. he doesn't know what to do.
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he keeps going back and forth on the particular issue of whether he should support donald trump or not support donald trump for the very reasons that you guys were talking about. i enjoyed this conversation. thank you so much. >> great to be with you. wait until you hear what michelle obama has to say about donald trump's claims on the election is rigged. ♪ is depression more than sadness? ♪ it's a tangle of multiple symptoms. ♪ ♪ trintellix (vortioxetine) is a prescription medicine for depression. trintellix may start to untangle or help improve the multiple symptoms of depression. for me, trintellix made a difference. tell your healthcare professional right away if your depression worsens, or you have unusual changes in mood, behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults.
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here's one thing that we know, michelle obama's approval rating is soaring, so who better to campaign with hillary clinton than michelle obama, the first lady. here to discuss, kayleigh mcenany, a trump supporter, van jones, jack kingston, senior advisor, and hilary rosen, a clinton supporter. we can all agree -- everybody -- that we can't wait for november 9th. am i correct? >> yes. >> victory. >> amen. >> yeah, victory. >> assuming it will be over. >> that's right. kayleigh, i want to start with you. the first lady was out on the trail with hillary clinton today, listen. >> so when you hear folks
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talking about a global conspiracy, and saying that this election is rigged, understand that they are trying to get you to stay home. they are trying to convince you that your vote doesn't matter, that the outcome has already been determined and you shouldn't even bother making your voice heard. they are trying to take away your hope, and just for the record, in this country, the united states of america, the voters decide our elections. they have always decided. voters decide who wins and who loses, period, end of story. >> kayleigh, is that what's behind this rigging theme from the trump campaign, trying to suppress the vote? >> no, i think it's just to have people be vigilant and be on the lookout and make sure nothing is happening and that directly contradicts what president obama said in 2008 on the campaign trail when he said republicans have monkeyed around with elections, democrats have, people in power tend to tilt
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things their way so that's very different coming from michelle obama than what we heard eight years ago. >> that's very different than saying the whole system is rigged. to say there are voters irregularities, i would say is a true statement. there are irregularities everywhere. >> absolutely. first of all, i just think it's -- it bears pointing out that michelle obama has become probably the most effective communicator on planet earth right now. >> probably? >> i think she is. i think she's a more effective communicator, not just than hillary clinton. bill clinton, barack obama, or anybody else. and that's not her job. she's not a candidate. >> but isn't that why these most effective is because that is not her job? she isn't seen in that way. >> i'm going to tell you what. you speak for a living, i speak for a living. she does things when she talks that are so remarkable, in the intimacy, in their feel. it's like the first time you heard david bowie or prince. i didn't even know you could do that with a microphone. >> i really don't get -- i don't feel that way, and i want to say this.
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you know, if you're a democrat, i understand you love her. i'm a republican and i have to say, i certainly admire her. i think she's been a great first lady, but i don't consider her a thought leader. i don't think she's going to be able to prop up hillary clinton. this was probably one of their largest rallies. they may have topped 15,000 people. they let the kids out of school i guess. i don't know. but the reality is, donald trump has that kind of crowd anywhere he has a rally, and he could do it at 9:00 at an airplane hangar, he can do it on a parking lot on a saturday afternoon. he's used to getting those people, but they come out to see him. i think the crowd today was coming out to see michelle obama, as much as anything, and those votes don't transfer. in fact -- >> you're missing a key thing though. >> go ahead, hillary. please set this man straight. >> all yours. >> twofold. the fact that michelle obama is not a politician does make her
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extra credible in the same vein as other non-politicians. she laid hands on hillary clinton today, called her my girl, like you -- you know, that says everything, particularly to young women because michelle obama speaks, which was now almost, you know, a week and a half ago, on sexual assault, after those tapes, woke up young woman across this country to all of a sudden say oh, i get it why it matters a woman's president. there is no question we've seen an overwhelming amount of enthusiasm now for young women, for hillary clinton, on these issues that michelle obama translated for america. she created an energy around these issues. >> and let me add -- >> and she did it for all of america. she did it for parents. to say that it didn't translate at all, that people aren't paying attention is just wrong. >> her last name is still obama and she was in north carolina where obamacare is going up 40%.
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>> obama, the most popular current president of the last several years. >> it doesn't matter to these young people whose healthcare is going up 40% if they live in north carolina. if they live in arizona -- >> congressman, i think you're missing a point talking about her effectiveness as a speaker. and you may be right about obamacare and the premiums, but just her as an effective great speaker. and we have great affinity for all of our first ladies. i don't think there's first lady people have hated. i can't remember at least in my lifetime, people loved laura and barbara bush and nancy reagan. why can't people love michelle obama? >> she's very effective. there is no doubt about it. she give the best speech in the dnc hands down. if she wants to run for something, she's very good at it on the campaign trail. i get you, don, 100%. i don't know love for the first lady is what they are going to vote on when they're hurting economically, when they're
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scared about terrorism, when they're casting their ballot, i don't know if love for the first lady is going to be the benefactor. >> i will tell you young people, especially millennial, the highest approval rating with any politician would be michelle and barack obama among that demographic. who they need to go to the polls. >> she is still not on the ballot. >> first of all, you say she is not a thought leader, i think that's highly -- i'm not going to say it's offensive, it's just wrong. she's actually changed the national conversation when it comes to children's fitness, children's health, when it comes to the most important things in our country, our future generation, and also our veterans, she's been right out there as big as anybody. but much more importantly, if you try to put her down, you're by yourself. donald trump, who slaps back at every single person who ever says anything bad about him, even if it's a gold star mom, if it's some unknown beauty pageant, he's up -- you can't mess with donald trump.
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but michele obama has gone out -- >> you had your turn. you had your turn. michelle obama has gone after him speech, after speech, after speech, and donald trump has not broken breath to say one word, one tweet, nothing because he recognizes the power that he has. >> congressman quickly i have to go to break. >> number one she's trying to prop up hillary clinton, who brings no enthusiasm. that's why the crowd was big today, because of michelle obama. >> big crowds don't mean big votes. ask bernie. >> let him finish. >> and michelle obama can go out there and say all those good things about hillary clinton, but it's still hillary clinton, and people are not enthusiastic about that. that's why she can't get a big crowd. >> here's the thing -- okay. >> and beyond -- >> quickly. >> -- behind the cheering you have obamacare, you have a weak economy, you don't have hope or jobs for these young people who need jobs who are going out in the workplace. they're very uneasy about the economy. they're very uneasy about national security. >> all the people you mention >> you can try and make this case.
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young people and people of color who live in certain neighborhoods, michele obama is effective at speaking to them. i wonder if donald trump was as effective and we'll talk about that after the break. i had no idea. it's opened up a whole new world for me. ♪
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. so we're back now talking about speaking to certain demographic, certain voters. we were talking about the first lady reaching out to millennials, people of color. here is what donald trump said today. >> we're going to work on our ghettos, so you take a look at what is going on, where you have pockets of -- areas of land where you have the inner cities and you have so many things, so many problems, so many horrible, horrible problems. >> so who -- is that effective? >> yes, i do, i think so. i think he gave one of the best speeches we've ever heard yesterday in charlotte about urban renewal, very ground-breaking policies like micro-loans and tax credits to companies who will be to certain inner cities. it is revolutionary what he did. >> the ghettos? >> well, i think -- >> does anybody on this panel
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use ghetto besides -- i haven't heard it besides a curtis mayfield song. >> merrian webster uses it. >> no one says ghetto anymore. >> but, don, to kaylee's point, i know you want to run your mouth congressman, let me get a sentence in before you go. i want to point something out. somebody else used the term ghetto in the campaign, and it was bernie sanders and he caught beef too. i think we have to recognize for a certain generation of people who are in the high 60s, 70s, that term may land with them differently. what i would suggest to anybody else though, the term is if you want to go there, is' hood. you're not going to get mad talking about the hood, he talk about ghettos and we're going to have a segment about you. take a hint. >> you know what, don, i'm going to give you the term. let's don't use the term ghetto but talk about the substance of jobs, opportunities, education, safety. look at downtown chicago.
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it's been pointed to many, many times, about the number of murders this year, 500. i think, frankly, a republican to talk about these issues is a very good thing, not just for people who live in cities but for america. i think it is very important for both parties to be talking to non-traditional constituents. i'm glad he's doing it. >> i'm sorry. you got to look -- >> go ahead, hilary. >> you have to look at a messenger, because if a republican was out there talking about urban renewal and investing in urban communities, that would bea sochlt but we're talking about a guy who was sued by the justice department for not letting african-americans into his buildings, who is the king of condo conversions. >> that's not true. >> this is a man who has not only no credibility -- >> that case was dropped. >> i'm talking now, jack. who not only no credibility on this issue, but actually a bad history that helped make situations worse. >> but, hilary, it is
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factually -- >> there's no history, hilary. >> that's factually incorrect. >> when you talk about this, you can't be throwing out words to try to get white folks to think you're a nice person. >> hilary, you started the statement by saying you wish you had a candidate talking about policies for the inner city, you do have one, it is donald trump. he did it yesterday. this is what is so frustrating, you talk about policy and then pivot into dirty, mud shrinking issues instead of talking about things to help people in inner cities. >> my point is he can't deliver and the people in those communities are not listening to him. they're voting for hillary clinton because she actually has a record on these things, because she actually has engaged. >> jack, quickly. >> let me say this. >> you can't throw it out as campaign rhetoric and be believed. >> when hillary was on martha's vineyard, donald trump went to milwaukee and what did the left say? he didn't actually go in the city limits. he is still addressing the issues. he is a guy who created jobs.
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if he had a history of discrimination, believe me, the "new york times" and "the washington post" would make sure everybody in america knew about it, but he does not. >> it is my turn. >> they did. >> let me say a couple of things about poverty. you have democrats that have not been good enough on urban poverty. you have republicans who have let rural poor folks down for generations. if we want to have a serious conversation about poverty, i welcome that. but i actually would trust a paul ryan who is in the jack kemp tradition than somebody who seems to be willing to try to insult his way into support from communities he seems to know little about. thank you, everyone. when we come back, more and more questions about the clinton family foundation. is it all coming back to haunt hillary clinton's campaign? hillary clinton's campaign? ♪ -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
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>> if you think america is divided now, just wait until november 9th. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. it is not over yet, but what if hillary clinton wins? will congressional republicans follow through on their promise of enless investigations? will they block her supreme court nominations for so long that we end up with fewer justices? and with questions about the clinton foundation hamstring her administration from day one? donald trump certainly seems to think so. if the

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