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you can watch "outfront" any time any where on cnn go. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. six days away from filling the job opening down there behind us. the race tightenings. candidates maneuvering both holding late events in key states. hillary clinton in arizona, donald trump now in florida. the clinton campaign no longer running out the clock throwing money, resources and big name surrogates back into states they once considered safe. bill clinton, vice president biden. president obama. and key trump surrogates out as well, including most of his family. and donald trump appears to be leaning in, staying on message saying moments ago to the crowd and himself, quote, stay on point donald, on point. each campaign now calculating, recalculate, and goes without saying, crunching what's become
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a flood of polling data. that's where we begin with john king breaking its down by the numbers. ton of new polling today. what is the bottom line. >> you can say something tonight you couldn't last week. that is that donald trump is back in the hunt. still a steep hill but back in the hunt. we'll start with cnn polling. today in the state of florida. look at this, the ultimate battleground. the closest state between romney and obama four years ago. hillary clinton up 49, 47. that is a statistical tie. slight advantage clinton in florida. the biggest surprise today. a blue state that hasn't gone republican since 1988. yes clinton still leads in pennsylvania but by just four point among likely voters. keep ab eye on pennsylvania in the final weeks. now let's move west. hillary clinton in az tonight. a week ago a poll showed her ahead. but the new data. donald trump at 49 and hillary clinton at 44.
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and here is another surprise. nevada, latino votes key for president obama. he won twice and pretty handily. 49-43 among likely voters in nevada. kwan pack university poll in state of ohio, absolutely essential to donald trump. plus five. north carolina, hillary clinton ahead but plus three. that is a very close state. and in wisconsin leading by six but that state has been a little bigger than that in previous polls. so that is a tlot digest. seven polls. here is the race. if hillary clinton can hold the blues. we may have drama in the final day, she still wins. but if donald trump holds nevada, holds arizona, wins ohio and assume because he's consolidating republicans out west, assume that is enough. and many democrats would agree to overcome the never trump challenger evan mcmullin in
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utah. th if hillary clinton can hold them. she's the next president. if donald trump can get florida and get north carolina, that gets donald trump to 264 anderson. that is within striking distance. at that point hillary clinton is looking at the blues. looking at the blues, can you stop him from taking any one of the blues at this point. except this one. don't want to add too much drama to the conversation. if donald trump won new hampshire, that would give you 268-268 and we'd be looking for congressional districts here and here to see who wins or whether we get 269, 269. >> and you are saying it is plausible for trump to win north carolina and florida obviously. a democrats would say wait she leads still after a few tough days. so is it a trend? >> these are just two of the toughest states in american politics. back to florida in 2012. this is our 2016 map which we'll fill on tuesday. but this is the closest state in 2012. a very competitive state.
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hillary clinton is ahead right now. they think early voting especially among latinos will help then but it is entirely plausible to think donald trump could still win florida. if you are down one or two then you are in the hunt in the final days. a tough state for knockoudemocrr anybody. obama won in 80. romney in 120 20 12. and the early voting so far african american turnout is down. so you would have to say north carolina is in play as well. yes a slight advantage for clinton. she has more money and a better organization we believe but they are definitely in play without a doubt. >> and hillary clinton more than doubling ad spending in the final week from 14 million to more than $30 million. is that polling that drove that decision? >> absolutely i they see the numbers before we do. they poll every night. way before us. she's back on the air in colorado, wisconsinist. increased ad buys in michigan and in the battleground states we just talked about. but she's trying to protect the blue.
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if she can, she'll be the next president. but this is not where they thought they would be. plus the a ads are highly negative. they thought these would be the ads of let's come together. instead these are ads whacking donald trump at every turn. trying to protect the biggest advantage she needs to protect in the final day, suburban woman. >> let's see how this is playing out in the campaign trail. cnn sunland surfati and brianna keilar. first sunland at the trump vent in pensacola. it is a must-win. they have been saying that all along. what's his message tonight? >> reporter: certainly is a must-win. and i think the fact that this state is so critical for him is -- in the final closing message that we're hearing from donald trump, his message is very disciplined and very squarely focused -- [indiscernible] . [ trump in background ]
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>> -- reading more from the teleprompter. clearly the message is do not deviate from this message over hillary clinton. do not try to make a headline that steals the message over this headline focused on her. and trump opened up directing this talking about his newfound restraight. here is what he said moments ago. >> we are going to win the white house. going to win it. it is feeling like it already. isn't it? just we're going to be nice and cool. nice and cool. stay on point, dond. stay on point. no side tracks, donald. nice and easy. nice -- because i've been watching hillary the last few days. she's totally unhinged. we don't want any of that. she has become unhinged. >> reporter: almost there, anderson, likes trump was in real time remembering things
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that his campaign advisors are telling him as they approach the final stretch. don't do anything in essence to rock the boat. >> and he obviously i assume continues to go after hillary clinton's credibility or lack thereof in his opinion. >> reporter: right. such a key part of his closing message. really trying to paint hillary clinton as a person and candidate that is not credible. he just today has alone has called her unhinged. says that she's a cheater in reference to allegations that she received some debate questions or was tipped off on some big questions ahead of time. and they are really trying to capitalize even more on the fbi investigation and the wikileaks, the hacked wikileaks e-mails. these are two things that the trump campaign really believes in final days is a big opening to paint the picture of hillary clinton as not credible. anderson. >> sunland surfati. hillary clinton. and a reversal from yesterday's campaigning which saw donald trump looking to turn a blue
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state red in --. cnn's brianna keilar joins us now from tempe. the clinton campaign bringing out the big surrogates they can. including president obama in the last days of the campaign. is it all part of a bigger push to win over still undecided voters? >> reporter: undecided voters, as well as trying to secure african american voters. something she's struggling with compared to how president obama did in the last two cycles. he was in north carolina saying to people that everything he's done is dependent on hillary clinton winning the white house, on passing the baa tot on t-- b to her. here is what hillary said today. >> on january 20th, either i or donald trump will be sworn in as the next president of the united states. a lot of people are still considering who to vote for.
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i think people who are considering voting for him say to themselves, you know i don't like everything he say, and i don't like a lot of things he's done in his life but maybe he'll become different when he becomes president. and then i think some people are saying, well, maybe i'll just sit this one out. you know i can't really make up my mind. nothing will change if he's elected because he know who he is. as michelle obama says, the presidency doesn't change who you are. it reveals who you are. >> reporter: it is not the positive message anderson hillary clinton was hoping to end this campaign on before friday when her e-mail controversy exploded again, she had the breathing room in the polls to go positive. no longer is how the campaign feels. >> and as we talked about, she's also doubling ads, even in states leaning towards her. is the campaign commenting on that? or are they just running scared
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here? >> reporter: well that is interesting because the campaign, one of her top aides jennifer palmieri saying look we raised more money than we thought that we would be able to into these states that --. but make no mistakes a lot of this is buying insurance that perhaps hillary clinton didn't need before friday but that the campaign feels she needs now. they are still cautiously optimistic i think but certainly much more concerned because of the news that broke on friday. >> brianna keilar. john king is back. with the panel. dana, are the democrats just trying to run out the clock? or can they no longer do that.
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>> i don't think they can do that anymore. it is pretty clear all of the signals show that they are in a fight for their lives. and that hillary clinton is really trying to make sure all of the things they were banking on actually come true. early voting we've been talking about for a couple of nights now it is good but they are having issues with african american voters and florida and north carolina and elsewhere where they need to rack up that vote. millennials as well. and the bottom line is as you were showing on the map before. a state like north carolina. i was just talking to a republican source who was very pessimistic. genuinely pessimistic about donald trump having a real path, who said that -- this source said that north carolina is probably doable. we can actually get north carolina just even looking from four years ago. mitt romney was down in the polls going into election day. and he ended up winning north carolina. >> again, fur people who now see those polls shifting, it seemed
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like a week or two ago there was no path to 270 for donald trump, is this just -- are the polls just completely unreliable or is there a reel -- >> let me start with a couple of things. one, never invest in one poll. don't think because kwquinnipia says it. since i finished over there, a brand new poll released in colorado showing a tie race. it is one poll. and it's been a democratic leaning state. it is built for hillary clinton in terms of the new democratic coalition. so don't go running to vegas and increase your bet on donald trump because of one poll but we're having a conversation we couldn't have with with a straight face last week. donald trump is in the hunt and has a plausible path and if colorado is tied he had more than one path to 270 electoral
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votes. why? when the race is about her she struggles. when the race is about trump she does well. but when it is about her, he leads on the biggest issues. all the swing states he leads on who would best handle the economy. that is important. and two, her honest and trustworthy numbers are even worse now than a week so ago. >> it is not just about the public polls but about what our sources are telling us that they see in their private poll, the ones they don't make public but that determine where they buy ad space. >> and where the candidates go. >> right. >> they saw this yesterday and the day before. the clinton campaign saw this, they were moving a day or who two ago. >> you mentioned colorado. the last five or six days i've been talking to republicans who say colorado is a tie. and i've been talking to republicans who also say michigan is within one point. i know paul thinks that's nuts
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and eli say it. but there is such disparity between the internal polls of each campaign. >> also interesting kirsten, donald trump has been very much on message the last couple of days and we heard him giving himself, you know, i'd guess a pep talk or whatever it would be. or just speaking out loud but he's been doing that and now saying hillary clinton is the one inhinged. he's the one attacking his character. he's staying, trying not to make any mistakes. >> yeah. john laid out a path and i think that we have to give donald trump his due, honestly. because i don't think many people thought he would be here at this point. >> these two did. >> well granted. we have to remember that something did intervene and that was fbi director comey coming out and doing what he did. >> also obamacare. >> yeah. but i this i her biggest problem
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has been the trustworthy issue. and i think that of all the things that could happen to have that be what happened, i think has definitely harmed her. and the other issue she's having trouble with millennials and millennials are not really going to be motivated by the be scared of trump message. they need hope. there are these obama surge voters who turned out base they believed in obama. and she's going to have to give them some other message. >> that is what obama is doing. >> right. >> obama is out on the stump giving them hope and saying a if you want hope you better elect her. >> corey, do people vote for a surrogate? seems like they don't vote for surrogates but the candidate. >> i think that is right. what you are seeing is this president is probably being more political than any president in recent history, trying to get someone else elected following them in a turn. but what you also see john didn't mention is the latest poll in virginia had donald trump up three points in the state of virginia. this is a state where tim kaine, the u.s. senator is the vice presidential nominee for the democratic party. if that state becomes in play. i'm not saying it is. and one poll of many.
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that means the path now could go through virginia. go through colorado. michigan. it gives donald trump the opportunity to expand the map and what i think the campaign is doing for the first time in the last seven to ten days is they are on the offense. the clinton campaign is on the defense. very difficult things and campaigns are about momentum. when you come down to the last six or seven days of a campaign, you want the wind at your back. you want the people to feel i'm going to support the winner. and right now whether you believe all the polls or some of the polls. donald trump has ha momentum. the polls are showing it. i think the team feels it and they are pushing to keep it. >> people say things like this to make themselves feel better when they are losing. but look to data. the cnn polling that john adjust walked i us through. in florida cnn has hillary up but two. the last cnn poll she was down by three. so that is momentum to her. that is plus five for hillary there. in pennsylvania she's three points better than the last cnn
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poll. last one she was only up by one. in nevada she's had an eight point erosion. so there is a ro real problem in nevada for hillary. real gain for trump. this is real. in arizona, trump's still up by five in the cnn poll that's two points worse than the last time cnn polled it. here is my advice. don't cherry pick. cherry pie. look at the aggregates. and/or trust the trend. if cnn has been polling for several months in florida look at how she's been doing in the last poll compared to this one. and i look at all that, she's -- we ought -- democrats ought to sprint tth tape and fight like the future of the country is on it because it is. but i'd much rather be her than him. >> counterveiling data. in florida she's up --. [indiscernible] . he's up in early voting as well. ohio he's consistently up. if he wins florida and ohio. if he keeps north carolina, that is important.
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if he wins north carolina, wins ohio, florida, nevada as the cnn poll shows. winns iowa. he has multiple paths, he essentially needs to flip one blue state. hillary has hemorrhaged 60 electoral votes this one week. -- >> if hillary wins everything -- >>[chatter]. >> -- he has to be perfect in this. so these narrow leads have to come out. he can't lose north carolina or florida. but this is what we've been saying time and time again. this vote that doesn't want to come out and tell pollsters they are fordonald trump, that vote can be the deciding factor. >> i don't know about the secret vote. a lot of democrats think there could be potentially out there in some states. we'll see. a lot of people won't say they are for hillary. that conversation too. so let's -- we'll figure that out on election day. look, there is actually agreement over there in the middle of the disagreement that
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the trend line is moving donald trump's way. and paul is right -- >> think that's what i said -- >> >>[chatter]. >> this now looks on the map very much like the obama/romney race. the states aren't the same but -- >> we'll take it. >> -- and it's going to come down who wins ohio in the last two days. who wins north carolina, who wins florida. -- obama won -- >> if john is saying look at the trends. if the concern is for democrats that the trend line is going towards trump. you still got six days left to go. >> except for you do have to look at the state by state. and so i will underscore what paul said. you know, in florida she was down two points in the bloomberg poll just las week. >> florida as always going to look lake loo this. >> we got to take a quick break.
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--. speaking to now this news for an interview released today, he did not want to meddle with how the fbi does it job. however listen. >> i do think that there is a norm that, you know, when there are investigations we don't operate on innuendo, we don't operate on incomplete information. we don't operate on leaks. >> president obama did not mention director comey by name however the implication seems clear. joining me now -- [ slow down! when you hear president obama saying fbi director comey operated on innuendo and incomplete information and leaks. what do you make of that? >> i didn't hear exactly the way you did. less of an allegation with
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regard to the director and more as a general statement they got to say makes perfect sense. you generally do complete investigations and speak only after them. the only complication here is that the director did announce the completion. and it turned out that the investigation had to be continued because of new e-mails. i also have to say that the president was right about being careful about innuendo. the fact that some new e-mails have been uncovered which the bureau has not at least according to reporting looked at. means that there is some new e e-mails to look at. nothing more. i keep reading this swirl of claims about what might be nem this and what might not. the director didn't know when he made the statement. it doesn't appear that he's in a position to be clear about it now. but to jump to conclusions that these say anything different from what's already been seen seems strange. so i think the president is
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right to sort of dial this back. and the only difference being the president's wish that announcing a completion meant completion. just didn't happen to be true in this case. >> should director comey have made that clearer in his announcement? he said he hadn't seen them and, you know, he doesn't know the significance if there was any. but should he have been clearer. a lot of critics say his letter, statement to congress basically raised more questions than answered. >> i got say i read the criticism and i don't know what more one could do, when one has been told of a trove of possibly pertinent e-mails and that is all you know. particularly subject to warrant process that would allow further review and that is being done. but at the time he gave the heads up it sounded all clear and it probably isn't going to be the case that before the election we know what is in them. the question is do you stay
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silent and let people trust your statement that you completed the investigation when in fact you are going forward? or do you just say i've got some new e-mails too look at. do you put maybe we really mean that we haven't seen it asterisk? i guess. i speak english and i think his letter conveyed what people are looking for. and if they want to read more into it i got to say this is seasan amazing election. so one can never predict. >> for you, how much is what comey did about protecting the independence of the fbi? and protecting it for whoever comes into the office in a couple weeks? >> i think that is his main focus here. what people seem to forget is there is nothing he could have done once he heard about the e-mails that would not have political ramifications. to stay silent is to let people assume that the investigation was closed because he had said it was completed.
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where it turns out there is reason to go forward. to speak is to run the risk, as we are seeing now of people saying he's interfering. so no matter there is a political valence to it. the only question have we going to be aware of it or not? and i think he opted for transparency. >> i want to go back to gloria baltimorer here. something that anderson was asking you before. which is at the outset of this, ben, why didn't the fbi director specify, just what you were saying, that we don't know who sent thesis these e-mails. we don't know if these are duplicates. we don't know if there is any there, there. but there is this trove of e-mails we feel we need to investigate. why wasn't he more specific about that? >> i think he was trying to walk that fine line between giving people room for speculation and articulating some position.
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the fact is he doesn't know whether they are duplicates or not. i as a citizen am speculating. i think that americans all over can draw their own conclusion. as a voter my position is, is there any reason to think what here is different? and if not, just wait for them to do their thing. as the director, his words actually i'd like to think carry a lot more credence, importance and credibility than mine do. and when he speaks he's got on the sure of what he says and not speculate. as a lawyer, when we use the word pertinent we are dialing down our understanding of something's connection to something else. when you say maybe pertinent that's as dialled down as one can get. and when one hasn't seen anything other than knowing that agent have found what they think might be pertinent and need to stop at that point, that is the information you have. and yes -- >> why did he say that though? why did he say we haven't read them? we don't know what's in them?
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>> i thought his letter was pretty darn clear about that. >> dana, you have a question? >> dana bash, you talked about the fact that he allowed for speculation, which when you are a week out of an election is the worst thing politically that you can do obviously because it allows her opponents to, you know, say what they think it is, which is of course that she kplited a crime. so given the fact that he found this information. he wanted to follow up and make sure it got out there so he wasn't accused of covering it up afterwards. why didn't he get a warrant, get all the agents that he possibly could on this and figure out the answer to the question that he doesn't know the answer to sooner so that there wouldn't be so much of a gray area. go through the documents, find out if they are duplicates or if there is a "there" there. >> i got to say i don't know the
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exact time line. i only know from the press reports of what happened before it came to the directors attention. what i do know is it came to his t last thursday and he acted immediately. and at least again according to press reports it doesn't like like they are going to be reviewed before the election. so the idea that he could have answered these questions that are on everybody's mind is a great hope, it just doesn't look like it is something that could have been accomplished and will not be accomplished. we have to deal regularly as groan ups with uncertainty. and i think it is great for us to speculate and we need to, one of the things we need to do as humans is speculate. i think his job is to be absolutely clear about his position when he says an investigation is complete. it is complete. when it is no longer complete, he should inform the american public that it is no longer complete. that there is something else to look at. is there any reason to believe there is something else to look at that there is something else of pertinence? maybe. we don't know what's in the box. that is the point. >> professor, we have time for
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one more question. >> you know the history of the town and you director comey very well. during the clinton campaign there was open feuding and led to -- leaving. after this, hillary clinton has essentially said and some aides have directly said they think what director comey is doing here is putting his thumb on the scale. if she wins the election, and the investigation leads to no other incidents, can they have a functioning relationship? or would he have to leave? >> i imagine they will have a functioning relationship. he certainly has i believe near eight years left on his term. i have to say that deep closeness between the head of the fbi and the president is always going to be a little complicated in a world that we live in, where criminal investigations mix with politics all too often. if the director of the fbi is seen as the servant of the white house that is a problem.
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do i think they can work together? yes. i certainly think that one of the -- the one thing that at least to me is clear about the director's actions here is that he's focusing on the governance project. i'd like to think who's president next will also be focusing on the need for credibility with congress. the need for credibility with the american people and the need to let people be sure their federal enforcement agencies are not involved in politics. is that hard? yes. is it understandable for a new president? i would think so. >> appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. much more to talk about just ahead more on president obama with a tightening race in north carolina. he hit the trail there today. telling voters his legacy is hanging in the balance. talk about it in a moment. ah, beth. so the elevator is stuck again. with directv and at&t you can stream your favorite shows without using your data.
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a new quinnipiac poll has north carolina too close to call. it is within the margin of error. and a cnn poll of polls in north carolina shows clinton leading 46-42%. today president obama paid his thir third visit to the state to urge college students to vote for hillary clinton and condemned efforts to suppress turnout. >> republicans passed a law to make it harder for african americans to vote. that is not my opinion. earlier this year a federal judge said that based on the
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evidence, those who voted for these laws targeted black voters with -- and i'm quoting -- surgical precision. it was one of the worst voter suppression laws in the country. here in north carolina. not back in the 1960s, now. >> president obama also expressed concern that fewer african americans are voting earlier this year. he warned that his legacy is hanging in the balance. >> if we let this thing slip, and i've got a situation where my last two months in office are preparing for a transition with donald trump who's staff people have said that their primary agenda is to have him in the first couple of weeks in the oval office and reverse every single thing that we've done? so if you really care about my presidency and what we've
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accomplished, then you are going to go and vote. >> president obama will be back in north carolina on friday. another measure of the stakes and uncertainty. here is randy kay. >> at mama dips kitchen in chapel hill, north carolina. voters are crossing their fingers that african americans show up at the polls. >> we absolutely need you at the polls. we need you voting. she's already voted for hillary clinton and working hard to get others in the african american community to do the same. >> and some pushback that i've received is the two presidential candidates are just the same. they both lie. they both this, they both that. >> how different was it when barack obama was on the ticket for the african american -- >> oh my goodness. i cannot describe to you the sense of wonder. >> president obama is appealing to black voters to support clinton on election day. in part he says to he can pass
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the baton so. >> sure. >> i do feel that. i don't think he was given a fair shot the whole time. we've come a long way. we still have a long way to go and hopefully hillary will take us the west rest of the way. >> and that is why you feel you owe to it him? >> yes, ma'am. >> co-tonight his work. >> yes. >> when president obama says it would be an insult to his legacy if you don't vote for hillary clinton, do you believe that is this. >> i absolutely do. secretary clinton is going to continue much of the work that the two of them have been doing for the past eight years. whether they saw eye to eye on everything or not. >> this voter agrees. >> i think it would take away from some of his legacy if you don't support some of the issues that she's raised. and i think she's just a person to do it with all of her experience. >> does the idea of continuing barack obama's legacy motivate you to vote for hillary clinton? >> it does. the night that he got elected i was on the phone with my grandmother and she said she
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never thought in her lifetime she would ever see an african american be president. and now she's saying that about a woman. so same thing. >> motivates you too. >> yes it does. >> motivation is key in the tar heel state where donald trump and hillary clinton are virtually tied. african american voters could make the difference. but this man feels he owes nothing to the president and won't vote clinton just to preserve obama's legacy. >> are you considering not voting? >> yeah. i am. >> are you friends considering not voting. >> oh yeah. a lot. >> what do they all tell you? what is the general feeling people don't want to go to the polls. >> it's a trust thing. they don't trust the candidates or what they are saying. feel like they are just being lied to do gain votes. >> and to all those suggesting hillary clinton will just be another four years of barack obama, her supporters here say bring it on. >> i think that she will support the same platform issues that he did. and i think that it would be a
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type of victory for what he was trying to accomplish in eight years. >> and randy joins us now from chapel hill, north carolina. what are voters you spoke with doing to get out the vote in your communities? >> one woman told me she has a ninety-year-old mother who lives in assisted living two hours away from here and the other day she drove that two hours got her mother out and to vote specifically for hillary clinton. that's how important it is. because so many african americans here like you heard in the story have said they are not going to vote. that is because they feel frustrated. they feel frustrated and disillusioned regarding president obama. feeling he was mistreated in the office. and they sense racism at the highest levels. so it is so important to communities that african americans get out to vote and vote for hillary clinton to preserve president obama's legacy, anderson. >> thanks very much.
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back with the panel joining the conversation. bakari sellers. a clinton supporter. as a clinton supporter, to hear that gentlemen speaking about not going out and vote, how worried -- >> well i think it's disturbing and it worries you a little bit. but what worries me even more is what the president was talking about when he talked about the surgical precision that government -- governor mccory in the north carolina legislature went about rooting out early voting and the african american legislation. counties with sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black and disproportionately democratic. that was their justification for pulling back on the early voting locations. since last thursday we've seen those locations open up. in the last three days 108,0'00" african americans have voted. up 6% from the same period last year. so african americans once we get past that impediment of the voter suppression. and we've come a long way when it comes to the right to vote in
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this country. and i'm not sure that african americans are going to let governor mckroir or anyone else from doing that. i love the narrative that all of a sudden i think the new term is that african american is soft. i love it. because what it does is it makes it seem like the house is on fire. and that is what we need for everyone to show up and vote. because if we don't vote on november th the house is going to burn down. >> you are making a the stock man argument. it's laughable. criticizing obama for saying the election is rigged. and voter suppression when the vote is down. let's me give you an example. >> now just quoted the stated of the north carolina. >> -- today an article about barack turnout being down. let's go to florida where early voting was expanded by days to account for the hurricane. in florida black turnout is down from 25% last time -- >> it is a share. >> -- not -- >> use wrong numbers. no no, you are conflating. because what we have right now is the fact that the wrong numbers in florida.
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and yes you are not going to have what happened in 2012 or 2008. hillary clinton's coalition is going to look different but the raw numbers show that african americans are still turning out. but you know what i i want and everyone else to continue to push the narrative that african americans are going stay at home because that just energizes the base that's been disenfranchised for a long time. and if you want to talk about voter expression w we can. buzz what governor mccory did what i read from the state of north carolina is what george wallace did. bull connor. it is the same thing of suppressing the vote. this time they are not using water hosed, they used the legislature. >> turnout is going to be down and here is why. i listened to obama and me said about six times the phrase choose hope. voters chose hope two times around and guess what they got. 22 million working aged folks out of the labor force. --. african americans -- >> let tight end -- >> let me tell you what black people got from barack obama.
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they got insurance. they got someone who care about clemency. there is a picture everyone at this table has seen of a young black boy who set there and the president has to lean over and he reached up and touched his head and told his parents that his hair feels like mine. that is an example. that is what people vote for. and yes we had gains and we lad a lot of gains because what he came in with. after the bush presidency. you cannot talk about the desperation and despair. and where we are now. we want to 3wi8d on those gains. we want people to talk about criminal justice reform. i love my insurance. these are positive things. we're going to build on those gains. >> overall do you believe african american turnout -- you are saying there is no doubt it will be lower than 2012, 20u 08 just by nature of the candidate. >> i believe it will be lower than 2008, 2012. for example in florida and gloria i have been talking backstage about this a lot. but in florida the percentage of registered voters are 11.5, 12%
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now. her to going run on par with that. because of the up tick of hispanic you are now going to have a more diverse electorate than 2012. please keep saying the house is on fire. >> the latino electorate is not just an up tick. >> no it is -- >> it is huge. >> it is a tidal waive. >> it is double. at least. >> let's take a quick break. we're going continue the conversation when we come back. more ahead. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab.
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canneder,. take a look there. we're waiting for hillary
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clinton to speak in tempe, arizona. we're talking about who is and who is not and whether or not african-american there's stay home. >> those who wanted to suppress the vote, your rights have been restored. right now. there are more one stop early votes sites in north carolina than ever before. you can register to vote at any site as long as you do it by saturday. if you don't vote, then you've done the work of those who would suppress your vote without them having to lift a finger. come on. >> is it clear how much impact president obama can have? out on the campaign trail to get voters out? >> when he makes it personal like he has been, a little less so there but much more on the tom joyner show that he was on earlier. what he said to the cbc and
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congressional black caucus center a couple weeks ago which is very blunt. this is about us. this is about me. even if you're not, he doesn't say this explicitly. he is saying, even if you're not crazy about her, do it for me. he is making it incredibly personal. it is hard to imagine it won't make a voter like one of the ones that randy kay talked about in north carolina think twice about it. >> it seem like he is trying to target african-american voters. he was on sirius the other day. >> the first lady has done more, the president has done more in terms of the radio. the young people, too. but this is an untested question. he is making it more personal. it is untested in that in 2010 and 2014, the democrats got spanked. the republicans want everything. the house, the governor's races, the senate majority. the president wasn't campaigning
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as much as. this he wasn't welcomed by a lot of places in those cycles. so this cycle he is all in. plus on steroids. he is everywhere and doing everything they ask him to do. doing the radio and everything else. we're going to find out. the numbers are down right now for democrats and the african-american votes. we'll see if they catch up. tuesday night are settle this question but we don't know. hillary clinton will not be able to say it is his fault because of what he's doing. there is nobody working hard he. >> and michelle obama as well. >> and he is popular. barack obama is -- his highest rating ever. he's in the stratosphere. michelle obama is higher than that. so together they're quite a team when they try to get out women voters, when they try on get out african-american voters, when they speak to democrats. and say you can't sit home and by the way, his tone is so
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different now. he was joking about donald trump before. he is not joking anymore. this is serious. this is about his legacy and your life. he is one of the only candidates out there actually talking about what this means to your future. >> and to quickly add to it. i think you were saying earlier that the fact that it is unprecedented how political this president has been. that might be true but it is also unprecedented how welcome by his own party. it's been a long time since a sitting president, a second term president, republican and democrat. john mccain could not get far enough away. >> ronald reagan was very active. >> that was a long time ago. >> you remember that? >> the point of the matter is, this isn't something that hasn't happened before. the point is that ronald reagan was very active in the campaign for george h.w. bush and it was 1988, it was a while ago. let's not act like that part of history didn't exist. >> you have to look at the american public. is washington, d.c. doing right
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thing by the american public? do people want to change? that's the fundamental question. do they want a change agent in donald trump or more of the same? when you look at the country and you say are we on the right or the wrong track? republicans and democrats combined say the country is on the wrong track. >> for different reasons. >> i understand that. with you you can't blanketly say that barack obama will go and change the outcome of an election because fundamentally, people out there believe that washington, d.c. is broken. he is part of the problem at some level of this. whether it is obamacare and the increasing premiums. you can keep your doctor or you can't. he is popular. but at the end of the day -- >> you know. hillary clinton is getting less support from the democrats than donald trump is off the republicans. >> does this boil down to change or character? >> it boils down to motivation now. this thing is baked in. republicans, people for trump, similar for independents. they love trump.
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people for hillary love hillary. this is about motivation. there's something we missed talking about the president going to north carolina i saw report that he drew 16,000 people there. elect fives that crowd. hillary has a ground game. there are cars and buses ready to take they will to the polls ript then. >> a nice small rally. >> yes. >> and the president, this is an unfortunate thing for scott walker. he put out a picture of hillary and president obama hugging. just before he said things are terrible. do you want a third term? in today's market, in scott walker's state of wisconsin, the approval rating is 10 points higher than scott walker's. so you're beating the incouple bent governor in his own state. >> the president is personally popular but here is where he makes a grave mistake. we've heard a lot from him about
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carry forward my legacy. i remember when he was first on the stump in october. he said hey, thanks, obama. we got obamacare for you. thanks, obama. and ted crowd repeat back to him. when he does that, he completely dismisses the last black voter we saw who said, hey, both parties have failed me. i saw another package with voters like. that the promises you made me did not materialize. carry forward your legacy doesn't work. >> that's not what that voter said. he never said that. what he said was, he had a problem trusting either candidate out there. barack obama suppose the a constituency. it will be a hillary coalition. did he extremely well. against obama in 2008, that's upticking. the african-american portion will go down a little bit. not because fewer african-americans are voting but it is a lower share. you're seeing college educated white women and brown people.
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