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6r789s crunch time in a state that neither candidate can take for granted and each would love to win. for hillary clinton north carolina would be icing on a tar heel blue cake and for donald trump a could open a new path to victory. that's why they are both there tonight. first the trump campaign ♪ >> reporter: it's the election surprise no one saw coming, donald trump sticking to the script. >> good job by the fbi. >> reporter: gaining in some key battleground polls the gop nominee is showing an untrump like message discipline, hammering hillary clinton's
e-mail mess and revelations about john podesta, her campaign manager unearthed by wikileaks. >> she should look at him and say, podesta, you are fired. but she can't do that. she probably needs him as a witness in the criminal case. >> reporter: he's even offering a restrained response to president obama who is pounding trump every chance he gets. >> why isn't hi back in the office, sometimes referred to as the oval office. >> reporter: the trump campaign is staying on point in the ad wars buying expensive spots during the world series and unveiling stinging attack on clinton's ties to anthony weiner whose alleged sexting to a 15-year-old sparked the inquiry. >> hillary clinton is under fbi investigation again after her e-mailser with found on pervert anthony weiner's laptop.
>> they dispatched ivanka to new hampshire. and trump's media shy wife melania to pennsylvania. >> we need to teach our youth american values -- kindness, honesty, respect, compassion, charity, understanding, cooperation. >> reporter: but not all of trump's surrogates appear on board. consider trump's old foe ted cruz who campaigned with the party's vice presidential candidate mike pence in iowa but neglected to mention the man at the top of the ticket. >> he's someone who today i call my friend and i very much look forward to calling him mr. vice president. >> reporter: an oversight cruz quickly corrected. >> i will make a point. i'm getting ready to get on a giant plane that has trump's name on the side of it. >> what was trump's message
tonight in north carolina? was he very much on message? >> yeah, anderson. he was on message he was focusing on national security, foreign policy spectrum of issues. that's important in the state of north carolina. no surprise that he hit on that. he had some medal of honor recipients on stage with him tonight. at one point, he was suggesting that perhaps those distinguished military veterans would not be comfortable having hillary clinton as their commander in chief because of the investigation she's under right now, but he also talked about the bravery of those veterans and sort of had an odd moment. here's what he had to say. >> oh, they are so much more brave than me. i wouldn't have done what they did. i'm brave in other ways. i'm financially brave, big deal. i'm not as brave. when i look at these great generals, admirals and medal of
honor recipients, to think of her being their boss, i don't think so. you know, they are incredible patriots, they would never say a thing, but i know what they are thinking, it's not for them, believe me. >> anderson, we will have to see over the next few days whether or not donald trump can continue to show this untrump-like message discipline. his campaign staff is loading up his schedule in the final days before tuesday. he's got roughly seven events on his schedule right now. we're expecting that to double over this weekend. anderson? >> all right, jim acosta, busy couple of day. the clinton campaign speaking now in raleigh. phil mattingly has that. >> it's great to be here. >> reporter: the 53,000 square mile road block to donald trump's white house dreams.
>> thank you, north carolina. wow! >> hillary clinton and her top surrogates flooding north carolina, the state that could effectively clinch the race on november 8th, but it's far from a sure thing. a purple state went to democrats in 2008 and back to the republicans in 2012 remains exceedingly close. the latest cnn poll of polls in the tar heel state puts clinton ahead by four points. >> this morning, in florida, donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote "i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had." he knows we can see and hear him, right. >> reporter: as polls tighten it is a moment to focus on the clearest path to victory and shift the race back to a referendum on trump. >> at another raleigh, actually said outloud to himself, "stay
on point, donald, stay on point." . his campaign probably put that in the teleprompters. >> reporter: a message magnified by the latest tv ad that features what advisers maintain has been one of their most effective weapons, trump in his own words. >> i'd look in the fat ugly face of hers. >> he was a war hero because he was captured. >> this is the four point lead in the polls but an advantage that is shrinking. to help make it happen, president obama making his case for clinton today in florida. >> she doesn't whine or complain or blame others or suggest everything is rigged when things aren't going her way. she just works harder. she just comes back better. >> reporter: joining clinton on the trail tonight in north carolina bernie sanders, and
musician pharrell williams, two crucial elements for a victory, mill lennians and the african-american vote. >> the president was fired up strongly appealing to north carolina voters. >> that's right. it's no secret how the president feels. jim outlined how he has been hammering trump ever chance he gets. the last couple of days in north carolina and florida we have seen a president who is increasingly pointed and urgent in his attack and laying out the stakes. take a listen. >> if you disrespected women before you were in office, you will disrespect women as president. if you accept the support of klan sympathizers before you are president, you will accept their support after you are president. if you disrespect the
constitution before you are president, and threaten to shut down the press when it says something you don't like, or threaten to throw your opponent in jail in a live presidential debate, without any regard for due process, if you discriminate against people of different faiths before you are president, than that is wa you will do in office, except you will have more power to carry out the questioned notions that you had before you were in office. >> we have been talking about the importance of the state of north carolina. no democrat has turned out voters in the state like barack obama even though he lost in 2012. that's why he will be here again tomorrow. the clinton campaign sees him as a major weapon trying to close out this important state. >> thank you very much. new earl will i voting data is another reason both candidates have been wracking up
to so much tar heel time. they are running a quarter million voters ahead of the gop there. good news for the trump side, republicans building a lead in ohio, slight edge in florida. right now north carolina a top battleground state. cnn's john king is back to lay it out by the numbers. there are those that say we should watch north carolina and north carolina alone. why? >> the democrats and republicans don't argue the check mate state of hillary clinton can win it blocks donald trump's math. clinton is 272, 179 for trump. republicans will argue with this for a bit. but let's say that hillary clinton pulls out nevada with early voting and latino. if that happens, donald trump has a good night otherwise, getting utah and arizona, winning florida and ohio that gets him to 243. even if donald trump, even if this point on say he cracks the blue wall of 243 and even if he wins michigan and wisconsin it's
not enough for him if hillary clinton wins north carolina. it would take her over the top. if donald trump wins pennsylvania and these stay blue, there we go, she gets over the top. it is 15, it's part of the important math but also the message. david axelrod lost it in 2012 and won it in 2008. democrats can afford to lose it but for trump it is hard. can you get him to 270, without north carolina, yes, but it's near impossible because north carolina tells you a lot. it is evenly divided partisanship. it probably means you are winning other states too. >> the president is visiting twice this week. what are the keys to victory for her? >> it is such an evenly divided democratic state and we know from early data and reality her coalition is different from his. quinnipiac university has her up three points, very close, within the margin of error, statistical
tie, slight advantage for clinton. look at it by the numbers. this is 2012 exit polls for the obama performance and this is the quinnipiac poll where clinton is now. a little head where the president was among white voter and little below in nonwhite voters that is african-americans and latinos and others. running below the president with men. that's a warning sign. donald trump does well. here's where it will come in top play, not just in north carolina this is why it is a message state. if it happens in north carolina it is probably happening in philadelphia and other suburbs, as well. white voters college degrees will a little ahead of president obama. that's the key. can donald trump cut to the -- if hillary clinton runs up these numbers, the tradeoffs she is must down here to make up the minuses she will probably squeak it out.
>> how does trump win. >> barack obama won 35% of the white vote in 2008 and 30% in 2012 and he barely lost. that's important for trust. let's go back to 2012 and do it this way. donald trump must run it up here. doesn't want to work. must run it up here and out in the rural areas to the suburban point, i want to pop up raleigh durham area, not just african-americans, a lot of whites this the suburbs can't afford to lose by ten or 11 points he has to get closer where you have african-american voter and the suburbs, in the charlotte area, as well. . he cannot lose by that margin in mecklenburg county. this is about the suburbs. hoe has to keep it close and run up it up in the rural areas. >> i want to bring in the rest of the panel. yesterday in chapel hill praunl called attention to the voting laws there. hillary clinton highlighted another hot button issue.
>> just a few days ago -- i want you to hear this because this has never happened to a major -- to a nominee of a major party, just a few days ago, donald trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the ku klux klan. they wrote their endorsement under the slogan of his campaign -- "make america great again." they said it's about preserving white identity. they have placed their faith and hope in him. >> quick reminder the trump campaign disavowed that endorsement. back with the panel again. jeffrey lord, does that worry you that hillary clinton is -- >> no. first of all, that's a flat-out, if i may say this, lie. i mean, the ku klux klan was formed as the military arm of the democratic party.
i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> we're talking about 2016. >> i'm sorry but it exists in the first place because of your party, which has never apologized for this. >> who did they endorse. >> woodrow wilson. >> beyond the -- >> we rejected it. >> doesn't matter. >> beyond the history, just right now in the 2016, does it matter in this election for trump? >> it matters to reject racism and anti-semitism, which they stand for. that should apply, not just to the klan but to all sorts of people like al sharpton. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. >> the ku klux klan trinched and terrorized people. >> let him respond and then you can -- >> it is just unfair to whatever you may think of al sharpton that is unfair. that's first. look at this throughout the week. what we have had this week is david duke on the united states
senate stage saying hillary clinton deserved he electric chair. a black church bombed in mississippi and the kkk came out in their newspaper and endorse trump. when you think of these things and look at it in totality like this there is an element and true it may not be donald trump but there is an element that many believe he represents. there is a young lady, miss wiggins. she attempted to get housing from donald trump in new york city and she was discriminated against because of the color of their skin. the central park five were terrorized by donald trump since they were found innocent in the first place. these are real people telling real stories about discriminatory practices of donald trump. >> anderson, there's nothing new under the sun here. we are in the home stretch. hillary clinton's numbers are cratering because she's lied to the fbi, under criminal investigation. wikileaks is an embarrassment to the democratic party and obamacare in north carolina is going up 40%. what do the democrats do, the
tried and true method. they play the race card. they did it against mitt romney, against -- >> well, let me -- >> this is certainly not what the democrats talked about doing in the final days of this election. it was supposed to be going high. she's clearly. >> going low. >> running scared and going after donald trump's character. >> she's not running scared. she is making sure the contrast is real. there's no question -- >> the whole idea of going high is done away with. >> the fbi news on friday certainly it was a huge stink bomb that left a putrid smell that hopefully is dissipating now. what she needs to do right now -- frankly, it's the example of the -- the perfect example of darwinian methodology in politics. you have to adapt to your situation. yes, she is adapting to her situation. what is that? you have to contrast at the end of a campaign if you have
something like the fbi news come at you, you have to go hard on the contrast. that's exactly what she is doing. >> just briefly. one thing that my friend the congressman from georgia stated is that somehow people are playing the race card. >> somehow? >> no, because congressman you don't want to deal with race. >> oh, woe. >> i'm going to finish. you don't want to deal with race. >> just let him ask. >> as the member of congress who authored the bill for the civil rights museum located five blocks from here and now you are saying i don't want to deal with race. >> apologize to the central park five, apologize to miss may wiggins. >> when is your party going to apologize for slavery? >> are we supposed to be shocked that in the last days of the
campaign the campaigns are going negative? they are going negative? >> hillary's is. >> oh, come on, donald trump is too. >> they are going negative. the truth of the matter is you know the numbers that the black vote is down in north carolina. 22. % in early voting now. in 2012, 28%. we cannot compare hillary clinton to barack obama. obviously it's going to be lower, but it's a number that concerns democrats and what the president was trying to do and what hillary clinton is trying to do is to outline the stakes of this campaign to people of color in a very smart way. >> you know north carolina very we well. barack obama won it in 2012 and not in 2012. >> he won it and i lost it. >> i'm sure that is how he remembers it. >> what is happening there now and what needs to happen for either campaign? >> it is a marginal race and
will be a turnout election. the reason that barack obama is spending so much time there is he can galvanize those constituencies lagging behind, younger, african-american voters, he's going to markets in florida where the same is true and the visit to philadelphia is a turnout visit. we are now in that phase of the campaign where we are talking about turn out. let me make a point where i think the campaign is and how we got here. a lot has been put on the fbi tape. i think what's happened is that as we get a distance from the release of the "access hollywood" tape and the debates and trump has settled down and is reading off of teleprompters and isn't acting up republicans are coming home to him and this is becoming more of a traditional naushl election and turnout will be in the battleground states a big deal. >> you made an interesting point last night which is that states return to their dna.
>> most states do. michigan has -- >> tell me what that means. >> michigan voted democrat for president since '88. therefore we should assume the dna is to vote democrat for president. trump because of his crossover appeal. you look at michigan and say he has a better chance than john mccain, because of the message and the year. it was a democratic year. they were going to win and turned a bunch of red states blue to their credit. look at the states but donald trump has not cracked through anywhere yet. that doesn't mean he won't. but it is late. we have time. most states, california will vote democrat for president, anyone disagree, texas might be closer this time. it will vote republican for president. six, eight, ten states are in play and that's wa we got when we look at ohio, north carolina and florida are going to decide the election. >> a lot more to talk about ib
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i don't even know if that's true. where victory often comes three yards and a cloud of dust. i don't know what that means. never said any of those things. the only ground game i actually kind of do know a little bit about and the unwith that's already underway, wherever the presidential campaign, is a game of inches and feet, as in feet on the pavement. anyway, more on how the two campaigns are doing from cnn's dana bash. >> reporter: on the ground -- >> i'll mark you down at 12:00 on saturday for phone banking. >> reporter: on the stump. >> if we vote, we win. >> if we vote, we win. get out and vote. >> reporter: it's all now about getting out the vote. for republicans, that means learning from their mistakes. after their lagging 2012 operation failed, the republican national committee began working three years ago to step up their game. >> how is what you're doing in 2016 different from what you did in 2012? >> we are 100 miles away from where we were in 2012. >> the biggest difference, activists now use this phone app to get out the vote. >> it will show you their party affiliation, how reliable they are as a voter, their age, stuff like that. just click that voter. take a survey. boom, right there. >> and it gives volunteers what's called dynamic scripting, prompting different pitches to voters, depending on their answers.
information instantly sent back to rnc headquarters. >> we need to make sure they know when the election and figure out who they're going to support so we can drive them out. >> now in the final push, thousands of staffers and volunteers are using that app in battleground states across the country, the rnc leading trump's ground operation, says they will complete 17 million door knocks the by election day, up from 11.5 million in 2012. it's all very ambitious, but it's been done before, by the democrats. >> i'm doing great. what's your name? >> republican strategists admit they're trying to emulate the obama machine that crushed the gop for two cycles. armies of democratic activists are spread out over the same key states as republicans. clinton campaign aides say they've signed up some 1 million volunteer shifts for the last 96 hours alone. in some ways, team clinton is old school, using paper and
clipboards, putting in tallies at the end of each day. still, the clinton system is very high-tech, using social media to build on that vaunted obama operation. >> text plan to 27246. it's now going to walk me through making my entire voting plan. >> a personalized plan for where to vote, when to vote, and even how to get there. >> forcing people to get specific and make a commitment. >> exactly. i'm taking public transit, voting in the morning and i know my polling location. >> so we're just focused on the turnout right now. >> reporter: translation, team clinton knows exactly who her voters are. now it's all about making sure those voters actually cast their ballots. >> dana's back with us. the campaign is also focusing on voter turnout in some campaign ads. >> absolutely. there's the ground war, the air
war, and the air war we've been talking about, the fact that there's a barrage of new ads even this week. and on that note, hillary clinton is outspending donald trump, big-time. as of now, the clinton campaign is poised to spend $20 million more, just this week, than donald trump. >> david, i mean, you know this stuff firsthand. i mean, how do the two ground games stack up and how important is the advantage to hillary clinton? >> the difference between them is that the clinton campaign is in control of its open ground game. and they're focused on hillary clinton. the republican operation is focused on bringing republicans out. but they're not trump focused and they're not coordinated to t degree that perhaps they should be, with the trump campaign. so it's unclear to me what the -- there could be places where they're bringing out voters for republican candidates who aren't necessarily trump voters. >> let me just add a little bit
to that. the rnc and the trump campaign is more coordinated than i think people realize. they are -- just for example, i was in iowa at that republican center, and the iowa state director, eric branstad, is literally next door to the rnc director and the governor's son. they're actually working in the same offices in many places in these battleground states. and they have constant -- it's not the same as being under the same roof, but -- >> part of the benefit that the clinton folks have had is that they've had a long run-up to this. they've been accumulating data for a long time. they've been focused on this program for a long time. so, i mean, it should be -- i think it should be an advantage to them. >> my question is, number one, i think -- they have -- his people now, she got rid of her 2008 team in large part and hired the obama team, which is unique. so it's the third time for a lot of these people or the people who are teaching the new people how to experience that. my question is, i don't mean this in a bad way at all, 2008 -- >>, generally when people say that, they mean it in a bad way.
>> 2008 was a -- you know, was a breakthrough campaign or a democratic year. 2012, you had a race much like this. so in the sense of that, you know, are they tested for this week? last week they were thinking about, let's win -- >> look, i think technology has set such a pace. if we had done in 2012 what we had done in 2008, we would have been much less successful. you have to grow. >> which is why you saw, the democrats are doing that unbelievably. but so are republicans. >> isn't it true -- >> combine the technology you're talking about with the extra money that hillary has with the late edge. she has $171 million extra total on hand, excluding super pac. she can match him wherever he is running late ads. like colorado, virginia, nevada, michigan. >> she has to check him in those states. >> she can check him and --
>> not all voters react to the stimulus. >> not all voters react the same way to the same stimulus, whether it's a tv ad or somebody knocking on the door. it is my understanding, though, over the years that democrats have a better ground game, but get more out of it because their voters react better to it than republicans who -- john spicer, you know, from the rnc, has really started working on this. in 2013, we had 7,000 paid staffers. the 13 million doors that they knocked on, those aren't fake numbers. those are real. he's spent a lot of time in and i think we feel good about where we are. >> i think it's common knowledge that democrats do this better. all we have to do is point to the last two elections. but i kind of feel like we're in the same place as we were in 2012. at that time, the republicans bet on, i believe it was called orka. they bet on orka. and i remember late at night, everybody thought orka was going to work and the reason it didn't is because the first time they tested orka was on election night. and then it failed. >> they've learned from that
mistake. >> yeah. they have a much better system this time. i think the question is, to dana's point, here in iowa, a state where you have a republican governor who's rebuilt the party and has done a very nice job rebuilding the party who very early on said, whatever reservations, i'm with trump. in other places, you have dissidence, ohio, for example. so you wonder if it gets that close in one or two states, is there a little bit -- >> i was thinking about orca, a bad movie -- >> my only other point in that orka is you build this machine and that machine is built to go out and get a voter for you. it's still yet to be seen whether this lost white voter that donald trump is trying to bring back, that didn't vote for john mccain, that didn't vote -- >> you remember that day -- >> that's not what this new rnc -- >> at the end of the day, what technology should do is allow you to identify those voters that are high-propensity voters for you, who are high-propensity to come out and vote or who can be motivated to vote, so you can target them like a laser and bring them out. >> they have come to my door in
pennsylvania just the other day, were knocking me on the door handing me stuff for donald trump. >> did they not know who you were? >> no, they were working the neighborhood there. and i have to say, again, and we've talked about this again, the trump signs are everywhere. everywhere. and i've seen literally two. and i've been to the headquarters and see what's up. they're handing these things out -- >> we talked about pennsylvania on the side a moment ago. one of the things -- i'm having sort of flashbacks to 2012, when there was this big rush at tepid, you'll remember, i was assaulted on television by some folks saying, you're falling behind in pennsylvania, in michigan, in minnesota, and you're going to lose those states. and the fact is that the polls at that time were probably no better and in some cases worse for barack obama than they are for hillary. >> i'm going to agree with you in 2008. >> the transit strike affect anything in philadelphia? i mean, could that have a --
>> yes. >> it would appear to me that would keep some democrats -- >> maria? >> first of all, signs don't vote. but it's the same argument that you make about enthusiasm. enthusiasm doesn't automatically mean that all of those people at trump rallies are going to go out and vote. to david's point, i do think that hillary clinton's ground game, because she has invested in this so much over a year and a half, in this infrastructure, and it is hers. the campaign gets to design it, gets to say what every volunteer is going to do. i think that will add at least two points to a lot of these polls we're seeing right now. >> david, because obama's enthusiasm higher than hillary clinton's? >> yes, and particularly among younger voters and american voters. and that's why they're deploying him, michelle, to try and -- >> and bernie. >> in these key states to -- >> remember this, obamacare in north carolina is going up 40%. obamacare nationally does not
have a good brand, if you will. it's going up in other states. but in philadelphia, 53%. so -- >> i think it's 2% in ohio. so do you think hillary clinton will win ohio? >> let's take a quick break. we've got a lot more with the panel, including the battle on utah, where independent evan mcmullin is doing his best to try to throw a wrench in to the race. his goal, to block hillary clinton and donald trump from getting to 270. f? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. find out how american express cards and services now? excuse me. again? be right back. always running to the bathroom because your bladder is calling the shots?
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enjoy another day in san francisco and spend more money in the neighborhood. my guests are able to extend their stay and spend more money on activities and restaurants. - the extra income that i get from airbnb has been a huge impact in my life. in most presidential elections, utah is a lot for republicans, but this is not most elections. in a new monmouth university poll, donald trump has a lead over hillary clinton. independent candidate evan mcmullin is at 24%. gary johnson and jill stein in the single digits. mcmullin is only one on the ballot in 11 states. he's registered as a write-in in others. his goal is to block both major party candidates to gets to 270 electoral votes needed to win. here's what he said earlier on cnn. >> people in utah are very uncomfortable with donald trump
and opposed to him, but they also don't like hillary clinton, due to her corruption and big government policies. so, our job, my job, in this campaign, is to convince utahans that they should come onboard with our strategy, which is, in this case that the election is so tight, if they vote with us, if they stay with us, and we can win a state or two, we can block both hillary clinton and donald trump. >> that's what he hopes to do. does he have a chance? stephanie elam reports. >> reporter: never hillary and turned off by trump, voters like rhett fix are turning deeply red utah into a battleground state. >> i'm a conservative. >> reporter: the difference in the beehive state this election is evan mcmullin. the 40-year-old mormon says he's advocating true conservative values. fix, a mormon who votes republican, choose mcmullin for president. >> looking at the two main party candidates, neither one of them
really have the values that i feel and the character that this country needs to represent the united states of america. >> of the republicans in utah, about 85% are mormon. >> it's pretty surreal, this year, to see electoral maps that have utah painted a as a battleground state. >> reporter: he says never before has a republican nominee been so out of sync with traditional mormon values. >> you have mormons that are siding with trump, many of whom are doing so reluctantly, and another group who have been waiting all year for some alternative that they could live, because they couldn't go and vote for hillary clinton. you add on top of that his own personal morality, the reaction to the tape, the way he treats women, the way he just lashes out at people. >> reporter: this has made mcmullin appealing to many members of the church of latter
day saints in utah. on top of that, there are more than 515,000 active registered voters unaffiliated with any party in the state. that may also bode well for the independent candidate. but for some, a mcmullin victory is ultimately a clinton victory. lds member maureen anderson voted for trump. >> you weren't swayed to perhaps vote for evan mcmullin? >> no. >> why not? what was it about him that didn't appeal to you? >> i just think that right now -- it's a two-party system and voting for a third party candidate is not the way the system works. and just because he's lds isn't a reason why i would pick someone to vote for. >> i think you need to vote your conscience. vote for what you feel is best for us as a country. >> reporter: stephanie elam, cnn, salt lake city, utah. >> and john king is back with some numbers. what is the electoral significance of utah? >> normally, anderson, not much. it's just six and we've put them in the republican column. but let's just take a look, pop this out, take a look at this
poll stephanie was just talking about. 24, so compared to polls a week or two ago, donald trump looks like he's in better shape. let's go back in time a little bit. mitt romney got 73% of the vote in utah, four years ago. what does that say about conservative support for donald trump. let's go back again, 2008, john mccain got 63%. even in a big democratic year, john mccain got 63%. what's that say about donald trump's conservative support? it's a warning sign in utah, and the question is, what's the trickle effect on other states. i want to go back to one, it's not normally -- we don't worry about utah. let me go back to 2000. see this race? remember this race. al gore won the popular vote. george w. bush won the white house with 271 electoral votes. one extra, one to spare. most people think if donald trump can pull this off, that's what we'll end, donald trump winning with 271, 272, 273. not a blowout. if he has 271, 272, 273, well, then you might have six,
goes to evan mcmullin, he doesn't get there. is that a dream scenario? maybe. but donald trump is trying to mount what would be an epic historical comeback. he can't afford to lose those six. just can't. >> john, thanks very much. rejoining the panel, does utah worry you? >> no. no, now that i so these polls, no. i think republicans are coming home. they're coming home in pennsylvania, they're coming home everywhere, i think. >> we're see vrg public republicans who abandoned him in the wake of the "access hollywood" tape, chaffetz and others. >> again, this whole fbi thing, the culture of corruption. this is just being pounded away on conservative talk radio and conservative outlets. and that message is clearly getting through, aided, i have to say, by hillary clinton herself and her conduct. when you have people like tom friedman from "the new york times" saying she was unbelievably stupid to be doing this, i mean, that message gets out there. and it is resonating with people. >> bakari? >> one of the things i think we can see in utah, and i'll leave this up to john and gloria, you have to look at the mormon republican vote in utah, because that doesn't just affect utah, but that also translates into
nevada. so when we're starting to look at maybe not a close race where he wins in utah, it may be a close race in nevada, where if he doesn't get and consolidate all of those gop base, which include mormon republicans, he could be in trouble. >> if we see this happen, that's a big thing to watch. there's been a mormon and a conservative revolt against trump out there. governor romney spends a lot of time in utah now, and he was telling friends just a few weeks ago, a few days ago, actually, he thought evan mcmullin had a chance to win. that poll would suggest otherwise. i would guess based on what we've seen in our other polling out west, there seems to be this consolidation that donald trump wins utah. if he wins utah with 30 something percent the story is after the election. evan mcmullin and other conservatives are saying, this is not done. the fights in the republican party, trump wins or loses are not ending on election night. >> i agree. >> and romney is front and center. romney was the first never-trumper. and romney areas a lot of weight in the state of utah.
and so i think that matters. i think in the end, utah will still be republican. >> romney's popularity is confined to utah. >> he did run for president once. i'm talking 2016, in the republican party, romney is not one of our heros anymore. he was a moderate, not a tough campaigner. he apologized for being a conservative. he did not, embrace his grandfather, which would have been a great idea for trying to get -- >> but congress -- >> the reality is that romney is part of the establishment that donald trump has run against and done so -- >> and his running mate, paul ryan, this is the conversation that's going to go on -- >> and to that point -- >> ryan is a young man and he's -- >> congressman, i covered you and your former colleagues for a long time in politics. and romney aside, to john's
point, there is a very, very deep split, that is getting deeper and deeper with each election within the republican party. and if there is a president trump, it's going to be fascinating to see how he works with lindsey graham and ben sasse and even mitch mcconnell, people who are not even close to being donald trump -- >> i think that party split is going to turn out to be a good thing. it's going to take a while for us to figure out, what do you do with the tea party folks who put vote parody often over philosophy or getting something done. because sometimes you just have to compromise. >> i think that -- >> but i think it will happen. and i think it will be -- >> it could be that you'll have a president trump and that will be interesting. the odds are right now that you'll have a president clinton, and it seems to me given the deep fissures in the republican party, that the only thing that unites republicans is anti-clintonism, as it's the only thing that's united some factions of the party, has been
anti-obamaism. so what it does portend is an environment that is going to be a great deal of -- >> except for i do think, and i mentioned this earlier, that you know, maybe not a huge percentage, but there are republicans out there who will not vote for trump. and i think what this fight for utah does is that it underscores the issues, as much as the fbi is now in the news and as much as trump is going to continue to bring it up and there's a reason why hillary clinton is contrasting, is because the issues that donald trump faces, the negative issues, the 12 women who have accused him, the upcoming trial for trump university and the fraud, the upcoming rape trial that he has on december 16th. these are issues that he continues to face. none of that has changed. and i think it benefits voters to remind people of the contrast and the issue at hand. >> let me put this in context of what we saw today with melania trmp. if the republican party were a unit, donald trump would be a stronger candidate for president. instead of having melania trump who gave a good speech today about bullying, you would have
jon ernst and nikki haley out there and george w. bush, who is literally the best candidate and campaigner that the party has and you would have mitt romney. >> hillary has been in politics let me say this, hillary clinton has been in politics for 30 years. barack obama has been president for eight. they are not talking about what they did for health care, national security or jobs. that's the difference between hillary clinton and donald trump. >> okay. i want to thank everybody. president obama drew big crowds and so did trump when they rallied today. who says i shouldn't have a soda everyday?
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florida's long been a pivotal swing state, and the # biggest with 29 electoral votes. hillary clinton and donald trump are locked in a dead heat in the sunshine tied at 45%. both campaigns making a final push across the state. today they targeted the same city and we talked to supporters on each side. >> reporter: one day in jackson ville, florida, two political rallies with very different allegiances. ♪ donald trump speaking to his supporters. >> wow, great crowd. >> president obama speaking to his and hillary clinton supporters. >> it is good to be in jacksonville. >> in a state where the polls are deadlocked. so how to break that deadlock? >> what advice would you give hillary clinton about how to win florida and how to win this election if she asked yourself advice?
>> she has to continue staying positive. i like the whole they go low, we go high and stay above the fray. >> reporter: if donald trump says give me some advice, what do i need to focus on, what do you say? >> just keep his calm, like he said yesterday, coast along. he's doing fine. >> at both rallies, many to stay positive, but that's definitely not a unanimous recommendation for the final days of campaigning. at the trump rally -- >> i think you should talk about hillary clinton and the things that she's said and she's called us -- we voters, half the country, deplorables. >> we need to focus on creating a proper women's legacy. >> what does that mean? >> meaning hillary is not the proper legacy for my daughters, for me, and for every woman in america. >> at the obama rally for clinton. >> i'm not a woman, i'm never going to have the correct perspective, but in my view, i
don't understand how you can be a woman and not be offended by the things trump has said. >> do you think she should be talking about donald trump? >> somewhat. he's the most dangerous candidate in my lifetime. >> notable at both these rallies, the utter lack of faith that compromise or being conciliatory could lead to someone switching to trump, or someone who favors trump, switching to clinton. >> reporter: what do you think of the trump supporters? >> there's something underline, devotion to this man. >> the people voting for hillary, are just like hillary. you're not going to switch them. >> gary, did you talk to any trump or hillary clinton supporters that want him to stay off the attack on the election? -- i talked to quite a few people clinton supporters and trump supporters, who want their candidates to stay completely positive until election day, no attacks at all. but that comes with a huge caveat for most of those people
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before we go, a quick programming note about tuesday the. we'll be on wall to wall, tuesday election day, right here on cnn. that does it for us, "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. if you thought the world series was a nail biter, you ain't seen nothing yet. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. we have some breaking news for you. hillary clinton and donald trump hold dueling rallies in north carolina and that is no coincidence, my friends.