tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 4, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
[ amen ] now, i realize i'm kind of gray now. i still look good though, right? >> enjoying every second of it, he clearly is. thank you so much for joining us. ac 360 begins right now. good evening. thanks for joique us. big new developments into the final election day including a court ruling, one of three today that could effect who votes. for the candidate thers holding duelling events in battleground states and battlefield is shifting beneath their feet. donald trump in pennsylvania, hillary clinton in ohio. new hampshire is another, now a toss up and it could be crucial. plenty to cover in the two hours ahead starting with cnn sara murray covering the trump campaign in hershey, pennsylvania. the more subdued trump in the last few days, is the campaign
hoping he stays on message between now and tuesday? is the plan to just avoid any mistakes. >> yeah anderson. i don't know if it is so much subdue but advisors trying to assure him. him trying to assure himself he needs to stay on message. they want their final push to be about hillary clinton being a corrupt politician. that is the message they want to drive home. they don't want these last couple of days to be about donald trump being a loose canon. that is why you are continuing to see the teleprompters. why you saw him remind himself the other day on the stump to stick to what his talking points we are. and that is so important when talk about the states like pennsylvania. [inaudible] -- so he can make a pitch to voters here tonight and try to get them to turn out on november 8th. >> you have also been speaking to a lot of republicans across battleground states. are they confident trump can pull out a victory on tuesday? >> reporter: you would think
anyway republican operatives would be overjoyed by the momentum that donald trump has had by what's going on with the fbi, the tightening in the polls, but i talked to operatives in more than half a dozen battleground states who are telling me they are just not convinced that donald trump has what he needs to get there. they still think the math is very hard, the path is very steep. the one thing they do say is look, this is a candidate who has defied expectations for the nearly year and a half he has with been running. so they are saying look maybe he could surprise us on election day. >> thank you very much sara murray. the clinton campaign now in cleveland. brianna keilar is there for us. hillary clinton turning up the heat on donald trump as she begins her final pitch to voters. what did she talk about? >> reporter: earlier today anderson, in pennsylvania targeting an economic message for women but in michigan and here in ohio and in the air right now heading to cleveland
she's drying to attract young african american voters. they have not really come round to hillary clinton certainly the way they came round for barack obama back in 2012. we saw in the primaries they were more likely to split with their parents and their grandparents who trended towards hillary clinton. and a lot of younger black voters went for bernie sanders. hillary clinton today talking about her ambitious criminal justice reform plan. but her support for her husband's crime bill in the nineties still very much a liability for her. so this is the outstanding question, anderson, are young african americans really going to show up for hillary clinton? and i'll tell you, i've been talking to people here at the wolf steen center where this they are awaiting jay-z and the big question isn't who's going to win on tuesday. they want to know if bee i can't understand is showing up tonigh >> -- >> he joked about melania trump
yesterday. he was speaking on behalf of her husband, vouching for him. but she also was raling against cyber bullying even though of course her husband is so abusive on social media and bill clinton lash o lashed on to that. >> yesterday, i never felt so bad for anybody in my life as i did for his wife going out giving a speech, saying oh, cyber bullying was a terrible thing. i thought, yeah, specially if it is done at 3:00 in the morning against a former miss universe by a guy running for president. >> reporter: women voters have been trending away from donald trump are the reason melania trump was out vouching for her husband. -- [indiscernible] the clinton campaign does not --
>> the top of the cnn battleground map is changes. john king has more. >> significant changes to our cnn electoral map heading into the final weekend. clinton 268, trump 204. most important the 268 is below the finish line. it takes 270 to win. let me explain the big changes. trump gains. he gains, utah. he gains ohio. maine's second congressional districts. they split the electoral votes by congressional district. we've moved this interest that and toss up. that brings donald trump up to 204. why is hillary clinton down? we've taken new hampshire's four and moved them back to toss up because of polling showing us suddenly we have a dead heat race in the state of new hampshire. what does that mean for the state of play?
clinton of course very close to the finish line. donald trump needs to be about perfect and turn a blue. here is how the clinton campaign thinks it is going play out. they are very confident based on early voting they will win nevada. they also believe they are running stronger than president obama fourise years ago in florida and north carolina. the clinton campaign believes it can do those three and they think they have a pretty good chance of getting new hampshire as well. still competitive in arizona. i'm going to leave that off the board now and even say arizona sticks republican. if it goes this way that is a pretty overwhelming clinton victory. that is how to clinton campaign sees it playing out. what does donald trump have do to get this? he's got to find a way to get nevada. he has to keep that arizona. he has to say no way i'm taking florida. he must take north carolina as well. those are mandatory. if trump gets new hampshire, that gets 268. and if the district here went clinton's way it would be 269-269. is that likely? of course not.
but is it possible? that is one of the things you look at heading into the final weekend. but if you want to come back to the main map and take the more rational perspective. if you look, clinton is close to the finish line. she leads in one, two and she believes three of the states here. even though the polling is dicey. so you have to say advantage clinton. trump in the hunt. little closer heading into the final weekend than anybody would have thought, say, ten days ago. anderson? >> john kings, thank you very much. let's bring in the panel. appreciate all of you being here. >> and everybody is appropriately dressed. >> they are. >> this is actually indigo.
>> and new hampshire, no longer clear which way it is going to go. >> it really is remarkable how the polls have been tightening. in a lot of states that democrats felt really comfortable and frankly republicans thought were out of reach. new hampshire is one. michigan is another. new hampshire is probably more gettable than michigan. just because to use john's term the dna of the state is different. new hampshire has gone back and forth more in recent history than michigan. but it does kind of go to the fundamental that in these closing days donald trump seems to be the one with the momentum, as opposed to hillary clinton. so i think at the end of the day although we were talk about last night the republicans ground operation has stepped up dramatically, it's still teams like it is going to be big picture a test between organization and momentum, and energy and enthusiasm.
>> and the governor of new hampshire john sununu was speaking today for donald trump and made a headline which i don't think he's made in dencads but let's play it. lafayette. >>. [ laughter ] >> playing a little off what bob smith said, his imitation of bill clinton and talking about hillary. do you think bill was referring to hillary when he said "i did not have sex with that woman"? ha ha ha ha. >> hilarious. >> you know ux i will say this. he may not have made head lines in a long time but when he was making headlines it was often by saying the wrong thing. and he hasn't lost his touch. i don't care that helps. that doesn't help donald trump so that is not what you want your surrogates out there doing. but let me just say about the race overall. i think this race has been tightening for some time. i think the distance from that "access hollywood" tape plus the
end of the debates which were difficult for donald trump and the way he reacted to them was difficult has been good for him because he's been a much more disciplined candidate. he made a lot of the obamacare story and the fbi story. but i think what's happened is this race has returned to a normal democrat/republican race in a closely divided country. and democrats still have the advantage in such a race. and you see it on that electoral map. so i think donald trump is still in the position of having to draw an inside straight between now and tuesday. and i think it is going to be tough to do. >> carl it is interesting. look at the cnn poll of polls. hillary clinton's lead has only shrunk by one in the poll of polls she was up six points before the comey letter. tonight one week later she's up five points. do you think more has been made of the impact of the comey letter? >> no. i think that it was helpful to donald trump. and i think that the excitement factor that the trump campaign
has been playing on is part of the real dynamic here. and they are throwing a lot of hail marys right now. not the least of which is about all of us up here. they know that if they can create enough sense of excitement among all of us and in the press that that has a dynamic of its own. and sara murray's piece was so first rate because it brought us back to what the real situation based on her reporting is. that their internals also are showing how difficult this is for trump to do. and the internals of the clinton campaign give them a feeling of some real comfort. and at the same time -- [indiscernible] when there is this dine make shows trump has been creating excitement, gaining ground but talk about heal mares here. >> the focus has been on hillary clinton it's generally not good for hillary clinton. and any time it's on donald
trump it is generally not good for donald trump and the focus has been on hillary clinton since the comey letter. >> that is exactly right and one of the reasons i think this race is not analogous to 2012. some pundits say romney seemed to make a comeback and lost. i think there are some intangibles. one as you point the focus is on hillary clinton. the fbi bomb shell is one. two there is an enthusiasm factor with trump we hear among conservative circles we didn't hear with mitt romney. he is packing rallies to the extent of 20, 30,000 and finally there is this brexit effect we haven't seen since 1980 where people forget ronald reagan was demonized in the same way donald trump was. you had carter coming out and saying he is engaging in stirrings of the hatred and people turned out and they voted for him and they were perhaps afraid to say it. i think there is a lot of intangibles here that don't make it like 2012. >> do you fear a hitten trump
vote? >> there certainly could be a hidden trump vote and what ily say the one comforting factor i have is i know for example in the reel clear politics poll, barack obama and mitt romney were essentially tied at this point. and right now hillary clinton is not tide. i think in real clear politics. i know cnn is the poll of polls but i think she's up by at least three. i'm comforted a little by that. that's not taken away my nightmares. i this every day this election cycle we've seen something new. today thankfully it was about a reporter that had to walk something back that was frankly egregious. on the clinton side i wonder how much time we have to clean up soj of these mess, some of of them just false scandals at this point. >> david you know what it was like in 2012 for president obama against mitt romney. do you think hillary clinton is in a better spot than president obama was? >> i think she's in a comparable spot. the fact is the polls weren't as good for obama. there was a sense this was a tied race.
lot of the same stories. lot of republicans saying god, mitt's rallies are a huge and this is really encouraging and so on. but at the end of the day and firstly we had our own data and it was more reliable. because it was calling of people from voter files. you knew the voter history. you know who the certain voters were. you didn't have to rely on their own testimony and that created a more accurate polling. so even as the public polls said that -- that romney and obama were tied, we were up four consistently in our data down to the last. both campaigns probably hat better polling than this public polling. so, you know, i think this is a traditional republican/democrat race, as 2012 was in what is a very polarized country. but where the electoral map favors democrat ass and where t
demography favors democrats. so we'll know, we can spin from now neuromuscular tuesday and then we'll know. >> nothing has been traditional about this and now suddenly it is traditional. >> i know. better late than never i guess. >> hillary hatred factor is a real difference. >> huge. >> that is the wild card here. >> mitt romney was a little -- than donald trump as well. no one is going to win a popularity contest. >> i have to say though, i understand what you are saying, but i think 2012 a good analogous race. because at that point we had the tea party rising up talk about taking our country back. there was still a hatred factor. maybe not as severe but definitely there. >> president obama going all out right now in north carolina. we'll be right back. >> the idea that we would put in place in the most prominent, most powerful office in the land someone who undermines them?
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the constitution even after you swore an oath to uphold and protect it. and the reason that is important to understand is pause i'm a proud democrat. but -- hold on. i can honestly say to myself that if we as democrats had nominated somebody who said the things mr. trump said, that i'd have to say i'm sorry, yes i'm a democrat, but i'm an american first. i'm a human being first. i'm a father first. i'm a husband first.
and, you know, there are republicans who've done that. i have republican friend whose don't think or act the way donald trump does. and they don't intend to vote for him. because they understand this is somebody different, who is uniquely unqualified to hold this job. and the good news though, north carolina, is that you are uniquely qualified to make sure he durant goesn't get the job. but you dwogot to vote. you can't just sit on the side lines. you got to vote. you can't just complain. you got to vote. you can't just get depressed and crawl up in the fetal position. and look at the online polling
and go oh no what's gonna -- no you just got to vote. >> president obama there in charlotte. we're trying over the next two hours to give you as much sense what is happening over the campaign trail. this is going full forbore. a lot of candidates out there and we want to give equal time to everybody. gary tuckman is in charlotte where president obama is. gary, obama has been on trail in full force the last couple of days. i know something notable happened earlier today. do you describe it for us. >> reporter: yeah anderson. north carolina is a very important state obviously for both candidates. donald trump needs to win north carolina and that is what the electoral map indicates. as far as barack obama he doesn't have to come here to north carolina but he's here campaign for hillary clinton. she doesn't have to win north carolina but they are relishing having barack obama here because
if she wins north carolina hillary clinton is the winner here it may be all over for donald trump. he's made three visits here. here in charlotte. two days ago in chapel hill and earlier today in fayetteville which is why fort bragg is. and something happened. an older man in the audience who's a heckler. and barack obama handled the situation quite differently than mr. trump's handled them. let's take a look. >> listen up. i'm serious, listen up. you have an older gentlemen who is supporting his candidate. he's not doing nothing. you don't have to worry about him. this is what i mean about folks not being focused. first of all -- first of all -- hold up.
first of all. we live in a country that respects free speech. second of all it looks like maybe he might have served in our military and we got to respect that. third of all, he was elderly and we got to respect our elders. and fourth of all, don't boo, vote. >> so that was an interesting moment earlier today in fayetteville north carolina. barack obama was in florida yesterday. and takes the day off tomorrow and then campaigns in kissimmee florida outside of orlando on sunday. >> keep folks focused the turnout effort is the latino vote. president obama did his part in a new interview just posted on the new website me too. let's listen. >> part of what's important
forlatino citizens is to make your voice heard because you are not just speaking for yourself. you are speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school. >> your entire community. >> -- who may not have a voice, who can't legally vote. but they are counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard. >> so far early latino turnout appears heavy. though it is an open question whether the big numbers in places like florida will carry through on election day. joining us now. maria, latino voters already showing up in big numbers could cast more ballots than in recent elections. how much does the clinton campaign need the election day turnout itself for latinos to mimic the turntd in early voting? can she win if it doesn't. >> i think what they are going to continue to focus on is to continue to bring latinos out
and from everything we've seen is it is working and then some. i talked earlier how the public polls we're seeing are severely undercounts the latino vote because they don't use bilingual callers. one who polls latinos specifically they actually said the turnout is going historic. ten points higher than in 12012 and estimate that hillary clinton will get 79% of the hispanic vote. and this is the most important election for latinos in this country. and what president obama was saying is absolutely true. this community feels completely disrespect asked the kind of hatred and bigotry that has come out of the trump campaign is absolutely definitively unacceptable to latinos all across the country. and they are going to make their voices heard in a way i don't
think we've seen before. it is going to be quite historic. >> steve, a as trump supporter, if you believe what mar ra is saying do you believe as the self inflicted wound by donald trump on his own comments? we looked at past republicans have gotten a much higher percentage of the lath know vote. >> right.ino vote. >> right. clearly i don't believe that. ronald reagan said when i was just a boy, one reason i became a republican hispanic. he said hispanics are all republicans they just don't know it yet. and they are starting to realize. if you ask hispanics what really matters and i think a lot of non hispanics by the way assume beer monolith and only care about --. one two and three are all the economy and hispanics have done terribly under the present administration and they will do even worse under a future president clinton administration. >> if -- if your logic is
actually correct though, you would have a higher latino turnout than you had under sage georgia wush and there is no indication that is going happen. >> george w. bush is a high water mark no one has come close to. that is unfair as a comparison. i do think -- >> well he was a republican. >> -- that we had -- well fine. but that is a real outlier. i think we'll get there eventually. this election? i'm not sure. we might. but what will actually help latinos lives? things like school choice. things like tax cuts. economic growth. border circuit cour border security. what do they do? they call it bigots constantly. and when the mainstream media all day every day calls donald trump a racistis it does have annism pact. and within latin communities and it is often very hard to say that you are a the trump supporter and because of that i think we're polling far below going to be the trump campaign
with latino votes. nevada is one state. your own network cnn show us polling ten points ahead of romney. i'm confident that latinos will decide nevada for donald trump. >> maria it is important to note there are also fewer african americans voting early than in past recent elections certainly in 2012 and 2008. how troubling is that? that could cancel any gains you think are being made by growth in latino votes. >> well it certainly is something the clinton campaign is taking a look at but they are also seeing a an up tick in the number of african americans who have come out to vote in the early vote period and let's remember that this coming weekend is the big push from the faith community in the african american community. the souls to the poll, the huge get out the vote effort from the churches into the buses to the polling booths. that happens this sunday. i think the clinton campaign is confident they will get there with the african american vote. but let me just address something that steve smith said. this is a huge myth within the
republican party and it is why they have failed so incredibly time and time again with hispanics ever since george w. bush. matthew dowd, george w. bush's pollster said smartly that bush could not have become president if he didn't get at least 40% of the hispanic vote. and that is what me in got and he became president. matthew dowd said as to because of the growth of the hispanic vote no republican can get to the white house without at least 44% of the his parpanic vote. and the economy is the number one issue. but when you talk in a such a hateful matter among mixed status and we love your parents because they are here legally. and we hate your grandparents. >> steve respond and we got to move on. >> we don't say that we hate anyone. we love immigration. we also love the law and it is important. by the way the people most unfairly affected by illegal
immigration are hispanics. hispanics have to compete in the labor market. legal hispanics have to compete against illegals who almost always willing to work for far less than markets dictate and they also have to addidictate w the crime factor of the illegals. many living and hiding quite openly in the city. our opponent favors open borders. we know that. she said so in a paid essentially wall street speech in brazil. she favors open borders. we love imdprags. we're for sensible imdprags. for border control and we don't believe the people here legally are the victims. the victims are the americans who have deal with illegal immigrants. >> for correction. what she said she was talking about was energy policy and open borders not obviously border security. coming up top democrats call for
investigation into alleged fbi leaks to benefit the trump campaign. something related to rudy giuliani said today. and we'll hear from donald trump in pennsylvania right now. >> spoke in front of a much smaller crowd than that by the way. and there was a protester. and a protester that likes us. and what happened is they wouldn't put the cameras on them. they kept the cameras on obama. and i said that is strange.
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donald trump speakic in hershey making reference to hillary clinton's earlier vent in cleveland saying he doesn't need jay-z to carry the -- let's listen to trump. >> i'm not angry at china. i'm angry at our leaders for allowing so many different countries to rip us off. that is who i'mi angry with. all right. that will end. does anybody have any doubt that's not -- and we'll have honestly we're going to have a better relationship with most of these countries. the reason is they don't respect us. they don't respect obama. he's like a cheerleader, jumping up and down all over the place for hillary. he shouldn't be doing that. he shouldn't be with her. he's got to be working. do you know what? we're better off if he doesn't work. he'll only make bad deals we'll have to unscramble them. we're better off.
we've received the first ever endorsement from our ice and border patrol offices. 16,500 first time they have ever endorsed a candidate. it's just been reported that as a result of our open borders, violent cartels have spread into all 50 of our states. more than 90% of those arrested are here illegally, thank you very much. they are killing innocent american, threatening schools and totally destroying communities. a government that will not protect its people is a government that is unworthy to lead. as secretary of state, hillary clinton allowed thousands and thousands of the most dangerous and violent criminals to go free because their home countries
couldn't take them back. they bring them to their countries and very intelligently the countries are saying we don't want the murderers are, drug dealers, gang members. so they bring them in and the country says we're not taking them back. bring them back to your country. and she was head of state department and she'd say bring them back. we don't want to -- believe me. i promise you this. never once will we be bringing anybody back. never once h. never once. and if they come back into our country, one year in jail. and if they come back a second time into our country, five years in jail. and then ten years and jail. and they won't be coming back. they are not going to be coming back. very few believe me when they know that. you know what we do is capture over and over and over and we let them go. there have to be consequences,
folks. there have to be consequences. hillary supports totally open borders. there goes your country. and strongly supports sanctuary cities like san francisco. where kate steinly was murdered by an illegal immigrant. and this illegal immigrant was deported at least fife times. not going happen anymore folks. thousands of americans would be alive today if not for the open border policies of obama and clinton. this includes americans like josh wilkerson who's mother i got to know during the campaign. josh was a student in high school. good student, good kid everybody loved him. murdered at the age of 17. he was tortured, strangled, beaten to death by the illegal immigrant. and then his body was set on
fire. everybody wanted this guy out. they wanted him incarcerated. in july, right here in pennsylvania, an illegal immigrant with a previous deportation record, horrible record, raped a young child. the illegal immigrant had been arrested for aggravated assault on numerous occasions. but he was set free. he was set free. everybody that knew him said, please, please don't set him free. he was set free by. >> that's donald trump in battleground pennsylvania. we brought you president obama speaking more hillary clinton earlier. ranking members of the house and oversight and judiciary committees are calling for an investigation of the alleged fbi leaks to benefit the trump campaign. this after trump supporter former mayor rudy giuliani when the on fox and friends this
morning. giuliani basically admitted he got information about the leaked e-mails potentially to review of hillary clinton's survey before it became public on friday. take a look. >> all i heard were former fbi agents telling me that there is a revolution going on inside the fbi and it is now at a boiling point. >> so you had a general idea that something was coming. >> i had expected this for the last -- honestly to tell you the truth, i thought it was going to be about three or four weeks. i did nothing to get it out. i had no role in it. did i hear about it is this you're darn right i heard about it. >> well giuliani told wolf today that he had spoken with former fbi agents about the decision not to president clinton back in july but he didn't know about the new review that was announce opd friday. >> i've had no conversations with anyone inside the fbi. have i -- i have heard for the last four months a tremendous amount of information about the consternation within the fbi,
the fact that fbi agents were very unhappy with the way they were being treated by the justice department. that is all true. but none of it came from any current -- i haven't talked to a current fbi agent, as i told you, in the last gosh, at least 8 or 10 months and repetitives elijah cummings and john korners calling for investigation. here is what cummings said to wolf. >> he made it clear, wolf, that he was getting information from former fbi agents. mr. giuliani knows better. he was a former federal prosecutor. you don't use the former prosecutors to launder information coming from the fbi. that is basically what he said. we don't have a system of justice here where you take, you know, innuendo and vague
announcements and put people's careers and lives and livelihood in jeopardy. we just don't do that. >> back with the panel, joining us also is trump supporter matt slab. and on the b phone tom fuentes. as someone who worked for the fbi, do you believe there was a chance mayor giuliani was privy to information she shouldn't have been or could this be just information he was kind of boasting he was in the loop. >> i don't know anderson and i don't know mr. giuliani personally and have never met him. so i don't know one way or the other about that. i think that has to be for him to answer to. interestingly on thursday the day before that letter was out, i was at a launchen in downtown washington with about 30 current and retired senior executives of the fbi. this is a society of former agents that meets about once a month at a particular restaurant in downtown washington. so here a group of us there. we have the luncheon and the
guest speaker. when the lunch is over usually many of us congregate afterwards and socialize and talk. i stayed about an hour longer talking to, as i said, many, many executives. and, you know, everything from what they are currently doing o to, you know, what do they think of some of these cases and the most recent case of the director smutting down the e-mail case in july. but there was not one word spoken at all of anything concerning the possible reopening and then the actual reopening that was going to happen the next day. not one of us had any clue about that. no one spoke of it. and interestingly on friday i was having lunch with some people on a separate matter, not fbi personnel. and the restaurant we were in had a giant screen with cnn on it. and one of the people i was having lunch with looked up and said hey look the fbi is
reopening the case on the e-mail. that is the first i heard of it. and the same a lot of shock interest other agents that i've talked to and again retired executives and many i have seen the day before. many i have seen in san diego at a police convention earlier in the month. none of us had a clue. we were all equally shocked that this new information -- >> tom when you -- when you hear congressman elijah cummings and john collins jr. the inspector general of the justice department to launch investigation, should investigation be launched? or is this the stuff that happens in the waning day os of campaign? >> well you can't compare this to the waning days of any campaign. i think everything that's happened in this case and similar cases going back now several month, you know, go back to june when president clinton gets on the plane with loretta lynch, attorney general, former president clinton. you know we've never had an attorney general say, okay, with
regard to the clinton case i'll defer to the fbi's decision on that. that's never happened. we've had individual prosecutors, u.s. attorneys or federal prosecutors recuse themselves individually and say my assistant, the deputy attorney general or career prosecutors within the department of justice will be involved now in the decision-making. but never has the department basically abdicated its responsibility to make the prosecutor's decision and defer it to the fbi. so many of us were not happy when that happened. and we felt back in july that when director comey made that press conference or press release i should say on the 5th of july, we thought this has never happened and it shouldn't have happened. that he should have done what he's always done, deferred this over or referred it to the -- the completed investigation to the department of justice. and if loretta lynch decides that the janitor of doj is going
to make the decision, so be it. but it shouldn't be from the fbi. and we felt from that point on this became a highly political situation. >> interesting. right. tom i want to bring in the panel. ak angela i know you talked to congressman cummings. do you think there is should be investigation on this. >> yeah. i think they have raised a number of good points. one thing they raise in the letter is it is unsupervisorable for the fbi to leak unsubstantiated and in some cases false information about one presidential candidate to benefit the other. he goes on to say leaking this information to former fbi officials as a conduit to the trump campaign is equally intolerable. the issue is now lack of public trust. congressman cummings talked about that as well. he said listen if we can't trust our fbi. if we don't believe in the system. we substantially compromise this. and that is above, that is a bigger issue than partisanship. that is being un-american. >> i think just it is shocking
to me. which is they punted it in the summer. and then because the investigation is going on with huma abedin's husband, they find more information. and because dodge has recused themselves as mr. fuentes just explained it puts the fbi director in a terrible position. the fact is this. there should have been a special council long time ago. it should have been kicked out of political realm. no public official is going make a good decision on this now. so what you actually have is evidence in the e-mails -- >> you don't know that. >> people leak prosecuting ting to reporters. carl knows something about this. and when a government agency between doj and fbi, they are in complete complicate within the fbi and doj over this. and the reason why leaking is sometimes needed because there are times when the institution of government is just completely broken. and this is an example of that. and if somebody involved in that thinks it is in the public good to let information come out to
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away from election day, but who's really counting. polls show the race is really tightening. hillary clinton's playbook could be changing. you might remember this moment from the second presidential debate, last month. >> when i hear something like the that, i am reminded of what my friend, michelle obama, advised us all. when they go low, you go high. >> that was then. there on the campaign message lately, though, and it sounds like they're kooind of ditching that advice. tom foreman has that. >> just a few days ago, donald trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the ku klux klan. >> reporter: so much for the high road and so much for the fact that trump immediately rejected that kkk support, calling it repulsive. hillary clinton is making hay of it anyway. >> they said it's about preserving white identity and
they've placed their faith and hope in him. >> our military is a disaster. >> reporter: on tv, the internet, and especially in the battlegrounds, the biggest names in the democratic party are stepping up the blitz that started a few weeks ago. then it was senator elizabeth warren in denver, colorado. >> the big, brave donald trump is too chicken to release his tax returns. bok, bok, bok, bok, bok. >> reporter: now it's former president bill clinton further south in pueblo. >> we've got to decide, do we want a change in reality, or reality tv? >> reporter: up in wisconsin, vice president joe biden was playing offense, too. >> he's thoroughly unprepared and unqualified to be the commander in chief of the united states of america. it's not even close. >> clinton's running mate, tim kaine, hit arizona, trying to rally latino voters.
>> donald trump said that mexican immigrants are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. he's a clown. >> reporter: and in north carolina, it was senator bernie sanders pushing women to the polls. >> and we have come too far in this country to elect a president who on jbject anifies, who insults women, who brags about his sexual assaults. >> reporter: president obama was even out there, mocking trump over being offended by "saturday night live." >> you want to be president of the united states? come on, man! come on. >> reporter: and first lady michelle obama has been trying to bring it all home. >> make no mistake about it, casting our vote is the ultimate way we go high when they go low. voting is our high. >> reporter: collectively, all these big democrats are hitting the republican nominee on every possible weak spot. and all that talk about taking the high road, that's clearly
changed into take any road, as long as it ends at the white house. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. back with the panel. maria, what about that? the whole idea was supposed to be that in the closing days, the campaign, the democrats would sort of be doing an overarching vision and the polls got tight and now we have this, no? >> and they're doing both. i know that we love to cover hillary clinton when she's really going at donald trump. and frankly, what she is saying is all true. and he's using his own words against him, which i think are quite impactful and quite powerful. it's the same thing that elizabeth warren is doing. the same thing that president obama is doing. frankly, it's the same thing that michelle obama's doing. and if you look at what michelle obama said, she said, going high means going to vote. means making your voice heard. means, making sure that everybody hears loud and clear, especially donald trump, that the way that he has run this campaign with the bigotry and the racism and the misogyny is
not going to be accepted, in american culture. >> david? >> i think maybe there's a misinterpretation here. i think there's a basic rule in presidential politics, especially as you're coming down the last leg of it. and that is when your opponents' poll numbers are going low, you go high. but when the race is close, candidates tend to slug it out. >> we have the michelle obama whisperer, here. >> the issue in this campaign, right now, is donald trump and his fitness to be the president of the united states. that's the bottom line. >> well, also for a lot of trump supporters, hillary clinton and her fitness -- >> that's where i was going. and that's where we are with good reason. and at the same time, what we're also seeing is hillary clinton's world was rocked ae week ago. she did want to go high. she wanted to come out of this thing looking toward the transition. well, right now she's looking at the last days of election. and she's had an emotional response among other things.
she is in a place she never expected to be. she thought donald trump was going to be the one opponent that she could really wipe off the map. it hasn't happened. her husband has not been an asset. he's not physically the same bill clinton that we've seen and he's not that well. she's emotional. she's angry -- >> wait. >> she's angry -- no, no. >> let him keep going, please. >> i want to know, how is she displaying emotion? i actually haven't seen her be emotional about this. >> no, i'm saying -- i've talked to people in the campaign and she is emotional. i've written a biography of hillary clinton. i think i know a bit about her. >> i think i do, too. >> she also is in the zone where she's at her best. she's in a warrior mode here. she's doing it calmly. she's eviscerating trump in just the right way. but part of this is because of what happened with comey last -- >> dana?
>> so she's calmly emotional. >> i see. >> i just wonder if it was a male candidate, would we use that -- >> absolutely, we would. >> i would sort of say donald trump has been emotional, as well. >> totally, we would. totally, we would. i don't think this has anything to do with being a woman or a man. no. >> dana? >> whatsoever. >> danger will robinson. i was going to focus on what i was thinking about, as we focus on going high, and going low. it was a nice slogan, a really nice sound bite in a speech. but come on. >> come on, man! >> isn't that the trick of going high. you always say you're going high, but you don't really go high. you just say you are. >> not only did she not go high, the campaign very systemically, very effectivitily, baited donald trump in one event after another after another, whether it was alicia machado or, you know, you name it. now, some of the problems that
trump had were self-inflicted, the "access hollywood" tape. but it didn't seem necessarily that she was taking the low road, but she did. there's no question, she was playing very, very hard ball. very down and dirty politics. >> and donald trump certainly is also, you know, going after character issues, as well. it is interesting, though, in these final days to see him on prompter more than we ever have. >> it is interesting. and we've seen president obama trying to bait him endlessly and it hasn't worked. and we've seen donald trump bring up the fbi scandal a bit. and we've seen him give -- >> he did come close, when he gave that pep talk to himself. donald, stay calm. >> i want to point out, quickly, that going high, apparently means clucking like a chicken? >> that was hilarious. >> when maria said she's using his words against him, i was like, i've never heard him cluck like a chicken. >> if she gets to the inaugural, is elizabeth warren going to do that on the capitol steps? >> we've got to take a quick
evening tonight. topping the hour, both presidential candidates pulling out the stops, trying to establish momentum going to campaign 2016's final weekend. donald trump in the battleground state of pennsylvania, hillary clinton in ohio, alongside jay-z and beyonce. surrogates for both sides dotting the