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dawn saves wildlife. quick programming note about tuesday e electilection day. that's it for us tonight. cnn with don lemon starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. again, by electing the first woman president, yes, we have to vote.
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world looks to us as a progressive country that needs change. eight years ago, i was so inspired to know that my nephew, a young, black child, could grow up knowing his dreams could be realized by witnessing a black president in office. >> you might recognize her that is beyonce, just getting information at cleveland state university in cleveland, ohio, at a big get out the vote rally for hillary clinton. queen b on stage. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. let's listen a little more. >> we have to think about the future of our daughters, our sons, and vote for someone who cares for them as much as we do, and that is why i'm with her.
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if you are ready for freedom, make some noise. if you're ready for freedom, make some noise! ♪ if you're ready for freedom, make some noise! ♪ ♪ >> try to rain, try to rain, tell the storm, i'm new. i'm going to march, on the regular ♪ ♪ paint white flags blue. look at me, i've been true ♪ i'm going to rain, i'm going to rain, tell the sweet i knew ♪
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i'm telling these tears fall away, fall away, may the last one burn into flames ♪ freedom, freedom, cut me loose ♪ freedom, freedom, where are you? i need freedom, too ♪ >> so don't get mad at me but we've got to actually get to brianna keilar who is at the star-studied clinton rally where beyonce is on stage right now and of course ohio in play right now. brianna take us there. what's the night been like that? >> reporter: you know what, don, you cannot hear you. i hope you can hear me. i can't even hear myself speak at this point. but i'll tell you, what we saw first was jay-z. that was what everyone thought they were here to see and there was rumors about beyonce coming.
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these the headliner speaking to this crowd in cleveland as a mother to a daughter, ivy blue, and trying to get this crowd to go out and vote. this is not going to be an easy state for hillary clinton. the latest quinnipiac poll university here shows her down five points, and the clinton campaign really feels that the key to her success here will be young african-american strevote and that's who hillary clinton is trying to reach out to with the star power of jay-z and beyonce. in downtown cleveland, the center is packed to the gills and folks are excited about hearing this message and the question is, is this going to translate to votes and her winning here on tuesday, don. >> all right, brianna keilar, i won't and you a question because i know you can't hear me there, but again that's beyonce on stage in cleveland, ohio. as she said, as brianna was saying, it was supposed to have
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been jay-z. there were rumors beyonce was going to perform. there was a picture that you are came out on social media; not sure if you saw it earlier with hillary clinton and jay-z and beyonce. it points right to beyonce. any way that's the scene in cleveland, ohio tonight, and we're going to continue to follow that and talk about that. of course ohio very important in this election and as it's always said, as ohio goes, so goes the rest of the country, but we shall see this time. we'll continue to watch that. donald trump campaigning in pennsylvania tonight, and saying this about the star power at his riva rival's event. >> i hear we set a new record for this building, and by the way, i didn't have to bring j. lo or jay-z. the only way she gets anybody. i'm here all by myself. i am here all by myself.
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just me, no guitar, no piano, no nothing. >> no beyonce, right? now let's turn to our new electoral map. here with me, mark preston, david swed lick here, as well, and david chalian is at the magic wall for us. david, you first. >> don we've made some significant changes. here's the old map the way it did look. here is the new map. what changed, four moves all in donald trump's direction. we moved new hampshire from a lean democratic state to a toss-up battleground. ohio went from background to lean republican. same with utah. battleground to lean republican and with this congressional district up in maine, we went from battleground to lean republican. all good news for donald trump, no doubt. now let's look though at his path to 270 electoral votes. so, how does he add to that 204
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total, he has to sweep arizona, florida, north carolina, and new hampshire. he has to sweep all those battlegrounds. he's still one short. where does he go find it? well, in nebraska. they also award their electoral votes by congressional district thampt distri . that district around omaha, boom, he's up 270 electoral votes. a little less steve steep of a climb than it once was. this is the new battleground map. she's at 268. she's fallen below the 270 mark, but she only needs one state. she's got to flip one battleground to get there even the smallest state, new hampshire, four electoral votele votes that. gets her to 270 electoral votes. she's got to flip one state, and donald trump still needs to sweep the map of the
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battlegrounds. >> david chalian, thank you very much. david swerdlick, everybody in formation swearing pant institutes. wonder what that means. mark, you first. this big concert, and beyonce, huge, and clinton will be campaigning with lebron james on sunday. do you think these megaevents translate into votes? >> yeah, certainly they do, not because people come to see beyonce, but because people get to see beyonce and they get cajoled by the hillary clinton staffers who are there who try to get you to the polls and ensure that you're voting either early or you're going to plan on being there on election day. they collect your names and your e-mail address, your telephone numb number. they try to do anything they can do try to get you to get to the polls and you pointed out lebron james will be with her on sunday but that's just not it. they are going all in. they have katey perry in philadelphia tomorrow with hillary clinton.
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tonight, stevie wonder was in philadelphia for get out the vote really. john bon jovi is in north carolina and florida this weekend. james taylor we saw earlier this week with president obama. we saw far rerell last night wi hillary clinton. the clintons are doing all they can to attract african-american young voters to come to them so they can get them to the polls. >> david, listen, i know people at home are saying we just want to watch and listen to beyonce. there are restrictions. we took as much of it as we could. but there are restrictions and we have to play by the rules. you'll hear more and when we can dip back in, we will. trust me, everybody stand by. do you think this translates into votes, david? >> i continuing translates into enthuse skbramp it transaction ladies into the ability of the clinton campaign at these events where you have a lot of the coalition turning out to encoweramy people e
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encourage people to vote who haven't already, or let people know they can same day register in some of these places but at this point, a lot of this stuff is baked in, something like over 30 million people have voted already, that's probably a third or a fourth of all the people that are going to vote in this election. so i do think that it's helping the clinton campaign generation enthusiasm, but i'm not sure how much it's going to work on the margin. i personally think ohio will be very tough for clinton, because if you look at the real clear politics she's down by about three points and she's been consistently down for weeks and weeks so if i were the clinton campaign, i'm looking to turnout the younger and latino and african-american voters in those other states that were on that map that david was showing. florida, nevada, new hampshire, and holding on to pennsylvania. >> do you think beyonce can get to all of those states in time to help? >> no, but that star-studied lineup that mark just ran down, it's not quite the beehive, but
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it's good. john bon jovi and stevie wonder, katy perry, there was the have cut by lean a dunham. and donald trump talked about this idea that he doesn't need stars to draw crowds and he's right in a sense, but swi symbolically, the youth, the oba obama coalition are with hillary. >> and that was a concern, especially with millennial, have heard especially since the comey letter came out maybe this sort of tamped-down the enthusiasm from millennial who people who are on the fence and these last-minute big names may help push her back up with that demographic. >> she certainly needs to. we haven't seen the fallout from the comey letter but the fact of the matter is it has to have had a negative effect on hillary clinton in parts of the obama coalition who were on the fence. if we go back through early
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voting, which you and i have talked about the last couple nights here on the show, the fact of the master is we have seen a drop in african-american participation, which we should expect. barack obama was the first african-american president who was reelected so you would hope to see a higher african mesh participation. where they are seeing a higher precipitation is among hispanic and latino voters. they are seeing a spike in numbers from previous elections, so that is some good news. at the same time we're dealing with a trump phenomenon, and he's been act to attract an incredible amount of support and much like beyonce, as a super star, a lot of people look at donald trump in the same way, he was a reality tv super star. >> all right. gentlemen, thank you very much. i appreciate that. again, you're watching beyonce on stage for hillary clinton at this time a big get out the vote rally and we'll be right back after this fifr. but first a little bit more
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all right. we're back. we'll check back in at that rally in cloora rally in cleave land, ohio. there are four days until the election and hillary clinton is counting on the strong support of the latino support. and joining us is former campaign manager for carly fiorina, and enrique santos. thank you for joining with beyonce music in the back. sara, i want to start with you. we've been talking about the black vote being down and there is evidence there's huge growing hispanic vote that it is way up in miami and that'll help in florida. what are you hearing? >> as of today it looks like the hispanic vote has increased about 152 over 2012 numbers that. is enormous and if hillary wins, it will be because of the hispanic vote, no question. look at a state like nevada that trump would need in order to get that path. nevada will have a high hispanic
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population, and you have hillary clinton playing in arizona for some reason where the early vote numbers make it looks like trump's going to do just fine in arizona and hillary really should have stuto the states sh needed to win. >> and you need president obama and hillary clinton this week and you took a self we hillary clinton. they both emphasized how important it was to get out the vote, according to the early voting, up 129% from 200 # 8. what is motivating these voters in. >> what trump said, and what was said in the primaries, got a lot of people to open their eyes, what he's really about, and preaching and it scared people. that's what i get from listening to my listeners, and the comments from social media. he scared a lot of people to really get their vote out there, especially the latinos, not just the mexicans.
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donald trump said they're bringing drugs or mexicans and rapists and this, that and the other, but that plays into latinos. we're very passionate and united. we care about our mexican brothers and sisters and all of the latinos in the country and immigrants, as well, so i think that that -- >> go ahead, finish your thought. >> he kind of did the work for us. >> i want you to listen to this. i've been asking people at these big events like cleveland if it helps with the youth and minority vote. let's listen and take it back to our segment. >> as you look at somebody, when i look at you, i see your parents, i say oh, tloor that's parents. you're a parent, excuse me. that's my new york accidenent. once i get to know you, i know who you are.
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all those things disappear, no gender, no social status. because the soul is colorless, our soul is colorless and i want to grow up in the world where my daughter has no limitation, where our daughter has no limitations, she can be whatever she wants to be in the world and it's the other guy, i don't have any ill-will towards him, but his conversation is divisive and that's not an evolved soul to me so he cannot be my president. he cannot be our president. once you divide us, you weaken us. we're stronger together. once you divide us, you weaken us. we are stronger together. and without further ado, i would like to introduce to you, the next president of the united states, ms. hillary clinton! [ cheers and applause ]
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>> thank you! what an incredible show. i just can't thank -- thank you-all and thank you to jay-z and beyonce, and thank you to chance the rapper and jay coal and big shawn!
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when i see them here this passion and energy and intensity, i don't even know where to begin because this is what america is, my friends. we have a woman who is an inspiration to so many others. i thank her. i thank beyonce for standing up and showing the world we are strongest when we look out for each other and i thank jay for addressing in his music, some of our biggest challenges in the country. poverty, racism, the urgent need for criminal justice reform. and remember, jay memorable said
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something we all should recall. rosa marks sat so martin luther could walk skpurks ma, and mart walked so barack obama could run and barack obama ran so all the children could fly! well, we have unfinished business to do. more bearriers to break, and wih your help, a glass ceiling to crack once and for all! i want to be a president who helps everybody fulfill their god-given potential, and i can't do that unless on tuesday, we decide what kind of country we want to be. will we reject a dark and
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divisive vision for our future, and embrace a hopeful, inclusive, unified america? so please take this energy out with you here in cuyahoga county every day's election day. we can have the biggest turn ou in history. >> all right. so that's hillary clinton on stage, introduced by beyonce and jay-z. jay-z did the introductions. i want to get back to my guest. sara flores, former deputy campaign manager for carly fiori fiorina, and enrique flores. that message, do you think it resinates to hispanics, to young people, minorities enough to make a difference out there?
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>> you know, i think at this point -- >> absolutely. >> -- the opinion of the two candidates is kind of baked. you have hillary and donald trump's unfavorable numbers about even, and the trust numbers just slightly above his. i'm sure they'll see some uptick tomorrow. the problem is hillary's ground game hasn't really been the vau vaunted '08 numbers. i think this is a great photo op. i think this will be great for young people to some extent. does it move them to the polls, probably not. >> enrique, you said you're scared some may not vote. why is that? >> let me touch on the heels that she just said. this is much more powerful than a photo op. when you hear the words of jay-z, if you heard when he
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said, dividing, you had conquer, is basically his message and that's what donald trump has done from the beginning is he's -- his divisive message has divided our country and i truly feel that our country is divided right now and there's a lot of undecided people, independents, republicans, democrats, that when they hear jay-z speak from the heart when, they hear jennifer lopez was together with me and mark anthony last saturday with more than 8,000 people, in downtown miami, and you hear them speaking from the heart and these are people that you know, the -- it's resinating with them, and they're speaking from the heart so i think there's a lot of undecided people that will be voting in states here like florida and people will be voting tomorrow and saturday, a lot of undecided people and i think messages like jay-z do resinate and are hitting the heart. >> all right. enrique ree enriq enrique, and sara, thank you very much. stay tuned to cnn for all day
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more breaking news tonight, barack obama saying agencies like the fbi must remain nonpartisan, against influencing elections, insisting no one should be affected by innuendos and presidential candidates. also tonight, democrats calling for alleged leaks at the fbi. let's discuss with former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york, criminal defense attorney pagepate and jeffrey toobin, cnn's senior legal analyst. thank you so much for joining us for the jay-z and beyonce concert. this is very serious business we brought up yesterday on the show we raised. something rudy giuliani said, sent his game changing letter a
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week ago is getting some new attention today, here it is. >> and i think he's got a surprise or two that you're going to hear about in the next two days. i mean, i'm talking about some pretty big surprises. >> i heard you say that this morning. what do you mean? >> you'll see. >> stay tuned. rude you giuliani, you're lucky. . >> we're not going to go down and we're certainly not going to stop fighting. we've got a couple things up our sleeve that should turn this around in a way -- even the liberal polls will get to see it. >> so john what's your reaction to that? does that seem like he knew something was coming in. >> yeah, it certainly does. also for first time when i've seen this a couple times now when he said up my sleeve, all i could think of was dirty sicks and not since tricky dick in
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'72, 44 years ago. i thought thela lars larson interview -- >> i want to play your reaction. wolf blitzer asked him today what it was all about, this was his response. >> i was actually talking about the advertising campaign that you were referencing earlier that i knew was going to come as a big surprise and there were about four different formulations of it at that point that we had in mind and i didn't know which one we were going to use, but i knew one was going to be a big surprise. i wasn't referring to any possible information about e-mails or that sort of thing. >> busted, is what -- my reaction is he's busted. he lost that cackle. he lost that happiness. he was in the chair the spotlight was on him. i see mike wallace in my mind. >> but all seriousness, he was excited about an upcoming campaign ad. that must have been some ad and i'm being serious here. >> yeah, i'm sure. like the daisy ad expecept he f
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it. the real question is not what he heard. he says rumors are sort of like trump's idea of rumors. membership are saying i think this is different, and this is fact of truth and the question isn't so much what he was told as what he did, and i don't believe he was improvable. >> jeffrey toobin, this is what giuliani told fox this morning when asked whether he knew about the fbi probe before it was announced. here it is. >> so this has been boiling up in the fbi for sometime. >> did you know? >> i did nothing to get it out. i had no row in it. did you hear about it? you're darn right i can't hear about it and i can't repeat the language, all i heard were former fbi agents telling me is there is a revolution going on inside the fbi and it's now at a boiling point. >> jeffrey, tom democrats seized on democrats, sending a letter to the d.o.j. asking to investigate possible leaks to the trump campaign. how serious is this?
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>> i think it's very serious, but a lot bigger than rudy giuliani. when comey sent his letter, he didn't even mention in the letter it had anything to do with anthony weiner. the fact this investigation, the unnamed investigation was in fact the anthony weiner investigation, leaked almost immediately. but then, there has been a torrent of leaks out of the fbi about the nature of this investigation, how much progress has been made, and i think the fact that this is all coming out as a result of comey's letter, both before in terms of giuliani's statement and afterwards with all these other leaks, suggest that fbi is really out of control when it comes to leaks and it's entirely appropriate for there to be an investigation. >> and you can barely contain yourself but i want to play something before you respond. giuliani says he was only talking about former fbi agents, okay? but wolf blitzer pressed him on
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this today, which is alar lars larson thing. listen. >> you were on the lars larson radio show the other day and you said you are getting that kind of information from active fbi agents, so you used that term. i just want to make sure we're getting that right. we listened to the audio and you were talking about current fbi agents, at least in that radio interview with lars larson. >> the information i've been getting is from former fbi agents. >> so you misspoke to lars larson? >> if i did say that, that was wrong. i have not -- i have not spoken to a on-duty, fbi agent about anything, i guess, for the last ten months. i don't know. i've actually never talked about this investigation to any current member of the justice department or current fbi agent.
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i don't know if i can make it any clearer than that. you can look at my telephone records, if you want. i don't -- i don't acid bleach my e-mails. >> so paige are you confident we're getting the whole story here? >> i'm not at all confident. in fact, rudy giuliani looks like a criminal defendant under investigation. he looks like he's not telling us something, and these are result of james comey's leadership of the fbi. i don't think that at all. in fact this is another reason i think comey was right to issue the letter when he did. he did not cause these leaks but he knew these leaks were coming so wouldn't it be better for there to be an official letter from the director of the fbi, not a excusing anyone of e-mail, but we found additional e-mails we need to review them and this is inconsistent with what i told congress earlier so i'm clearifiying the record. not saying anything more about it, not the substance of the investigation, not the details of the investigation, but i
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think he did that try to head off some of these leaks, not to encourage them. >> hey, page, how did that go, the heading off the leaks, do you think that was a big success? >> leaks were inevitable, jeffrey. what does james comey going do? he cannot control or put a mouth piece or some sort of tape over every agent in the fbi. we know they're frustrated. someone didn't believe this is a political decision. >> they can't steak a crime against anybody they don't have evidence of doing anything wrong. >> they thought they had sufficient evidence to produce rou prosecute hillary clinton, and the justice department for political reasons decided not to pursue that. >> page, i believe i should make $500 million a year, but my boss doesn't believe the same thing, so am i going to go to a newspaper? what you're saying is not making any sense. just because someone believes and the boss doesn't, the boss
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is the bont. >> i'm not asaying they're righ. they believe the decision to prosecute clinton was political. >> a lot of people are frustrated fbi agents and almost every criminal case i've been involved in, is one of the reasons why i didn't use them much as a prosecutor, because they can't keep their mouths shut about cases, and -- >> how do you expect comtow chan comey to feel about that cult snur. >> what better proof of incompetence aside from the big errors is the fact he can't control his own troops? >> before we get too far field, and i'll let you discuss, we were talking about the lars larson interview and there's this thing called audiotape and videotape. it's digital now, here it is. >> i said there's a kind of rev lug lugz on inside the fbi, about the original conclusion being
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completely unjustified and almost a slap in the face of the fbi's integrity, and i than from former agents, i than even from a few active agents who obviously don't want to identify themselves. >> okay. so he is quite specific in that interview. >> consciousness appeal. >> that he knows even from a few active agents who don't want to reveal their identities, jeffrey toobin. >> well, i mean, it's all part of the same story, and this is all started because james comey decided to violate one of the longest-standing principles and policies of the justice department by talking about an active investigation right before the election. that's what started this problem, it's comey's fault, he's responsible for beginning this process that included the leaks, and that's where the buck should stop. >> jeffrey, you and i both know this would not have been a
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problem had a special prosecutor been appointed a long time ago to make this decision and not leave him holding the bag. the fbi's not supposed to make decisions about prosecuting individuals. you know that. both of y'all have been prosecuted. >> he tore apart and jiggled it all over america. >> hold that thought. we'll continue this discussion on the other side of the break. don't go anywhere. only on verizon. okay, google, show me korean restaurants in boulder. (google assistant) i found a few places. (announcer vo) the only network than can power the first phone with the new google assistant, unlimited photo storage, and a stunning vr experience. how is this possible? (announcer vo) so buy a pixel, only on verizon, and get up to $400 back. and right now get 20 gigs and four lines for just 160 with no surprise overages. all on america's best network. imy moderate to severeng crohn's disease. i didn't think there was anything else to talk about. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor
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ii could stand in the middle of a5th avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters, okay? and you can tell them to go f**á themselves.
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available at cvs, walgreens and rite aid. with four days to go there are still a lot of questions about the kwfbi. i'm going to start with jeffrey toobin. and coming out to say, an indictment was likely in an ongoing fbi inquiry into the clinton foundation, take a look at this. >> i explain aid couple times yesterday the phrasing of one of my answers to brick hume saying it was in artful about the way i answered one of my questions about whether the investigation should continue after the election and our sources said it would, they would continue to likely lead to an indictment. it was inartful, and i should have said they should continue to build their face. >> brett bear is a good
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reporter. on this one he apologized. nobody's perfect. i give him credit for apologizing. when you hear this with all the leaks and the fbi what's your reaction? >> again and so do i, journalists make mistakes and he's right to apologize and i've made them and it's just part of that -- at part of the world in which we live and how we should behave. however, i think it is indicative of the fact that there are people in the fbi who are desperate to get anti-clinton stories into the journalistic bloodstream. this is happening over, and over again and it all started in earnest with comey last week. if he had simply followed justice department policy, this would not be happening, and that's what he should have done and that's where the responsibility lies. >> i want to get this in quickly. this correction comes only after the news spread across
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conservative media and trump continues to reference it on the campaign trail, watch this. >> it was reported last night that fbi is conducting a criminal investigation into hillary clinton's pay for play corruption during her tenure as secretary of state. in other words, the fbi is investigating how hillary clinton put the office of secretary of state up for sale in violation of federal law. the fbi agents say their investigation is likely to yield an indictment. >> so, john, it sounds good, but again not true. >> no, it's not true. what's your reaction? >> it's worse than rumors. they're out-right lies and i don't believe it starts with comey. i believe it may have started with rudy. he's represented these fbi agents. he's hired them. they work for him, and he can't
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know about the quote revolution. the question is the cause and effects to what extent did he feed it, to what extent does he feed these people to give rumors. the misconduct here is not just comey. the misconduct is wider than that and the violation is historic, to be affecting a presidential election with lies about old investigations that have gotten nothing as a result of the investigation and -- >> just days before an election. this is a major crime against freedom good speech, and distinct and under able elections among a democracy. >> i'm up against the. i'm sorry, page, you can blame our fellow panelists. see you next time. thank you, gentlemen. when we come back the economy is a top priority, but who will win with working-class voters? with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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it's amazing. tray, you're the liberal red neck. how guys like you are out there? >> i tell you what, more than people think, i can promise you that. i grew up in the middle of nowhere, all the of my closest friends, the guys i grew up with, they're like liberal red necks, that's like five dudes but i graduated with 45 guys. not a bad percentage. it's definitely more than people think. people tell me all the time you're like a unicorn, you know, and i'm really not. >> matt, speaking of a unicorn, he's still working class. up employment is down to 4.9%, wages are up 2.8%. does that impact working class voters and how they may vote? >> no because number one a cllo this is a culture war, but a lot
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of it, too, is how people feel and a lot of working class americans don't feel like things are good, don't feel like things are going to be good for their kids and so there's a lot of angst, that's why one of the big reasons bernie did so well. trae is not so convinced this race is tightening. you think there are some red states going for hillary clinton, arizona, true battleground, and you -- and the polls are close in georgia, but you don't think it's as close? >> i've got my fingers cross the especially for georgia, being a southern guy. i'm from tennessee, but i'm just please, georgia, please. nothing would make me happier. >> why? >> just because -- i know the reputation the south has around a lot of the rest of the country and that would be eye win fa wi as a liberal red neck to see a state like georgia flip would be awesome. >> many times, some of donald trump's spotters have been cast as racist or bigoted in this
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election. double that's deserved as someone is from the south? >> i mean -- okay. joe i don't want to generalize too much. that don't hurt, all right? the racism and the xenophobia, that's way too simplistic. >> you think it is part of it? >> again not for all of them. it's hard to deny to me. they're just so mad. they're so angry. yeah, i definitely think that's part of it. >> and that's why you were saying this is a culture war and you know it's coming down to the wire even though perception versus reality, the jobs numbers are good, the economy is getting better. it's perception versus reality here and the reality is not
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exactly -- in their lives they seeing some else. >> yeah in fact a lot of the trump supporters who are the most i havement are economically themselves. they feel like the america they grew up with is leaving them. in some cases it's culture, some cases it's economic, but not necessarily for them, maybe for friends and family, the days of getting a high school education and getting a job at a factory making $15 an hour, having a middle class existence, those days are gone and you can blame immigration, you can blame automation, you can blame outsourcing but somebody has to be to blame and it can never be to me. >> and those days are gone for everybody, not just people who look like you. i'm sorry i have to run. thank you very much. i appreciate it. we'll be right back. presents it? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order
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hillary clinton rolls out her a-list supporters with just four days to go until the election. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. jay-z and beyonce headlining hillary clinton's cleveland rally tonight. take a look. >> the cleveland, how y'all feeling tonight? y'all help me sing.


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