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>> i'm asking you to dream big. you will get the change you've been waiting for for your entire lifetime. happy saturday. thank you so much for sharing your morning with us as we come to you from d.c. this morning, i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. good to be with you this morning. three days, folks, just three days left. donald trump, hillary clinton. they are put teeing ating it al line. the polls are tightening. there are new battle grounds emerging as well. >> hillary clinton is slipping a bit in our latest electoral battleground map. she is below 270 for the first time. donald trump is above 200, a first on this electoral map. the biggest shift, ohio. it is now moving to lean republican. take a look there in new hampshire. it has moved from lean democrat to toss-up.
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>> the candidates and their surrogates are on the move. let's start with hillary clinton blanketing the battleground state. she will kick off the date in florida and head north to pennsylvania. >> donald trump making four stops today. florida, north carolina, nevada and colorado. >> here is our updated cnn poll of polls this morning. hillary clinton now with a five-point lead nationally over trump. 47-42. donald trump, to get to the white house, he essentially has to run the table on the battleground states. that includes ohio, which, in this latest cnn map has moved now to lean republican. >> hillary clinton isn't giving up on that state, of course. listen to this star-powered introduction here. >> i would like to introduce to you the next president of the united states. >> that's last night there in cleveland. clinton was introduced by, yeah, you see them there, the power couple, jay-z and beyonce. her campaign hoping they could help tip the state in her favor.
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cnn's martin savidge is live there for us in parma, ohio. how big was this crowd, martin? a good gauge? >> about 10,000 people, i believe, christie. >> reporter: the tickets were free. this concert was given by jay-z. beyonce was there as well. it was designed to send a strong, political message, get out and vote. your vote really matters. it does. cuyahoga county and the city of cleveland have a very interesting play in this state. number one, of course, it was cleveland that was host to the republican national convention, where trump became the nominee for the party. cuyahoga is crucial if hillary clinton wants to win the state of ohio. it is a democratic strong hold. it is estimated she needs about 200,000 votes, that margin of victory she will need if she wants to stave off all the other votes that are expected to go donald trump's way farther down state. that's why this county is so
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crucial. it is heavily democratic and about 30% african-american. early voting will again begin today. it starts about an hour from now. the early indications have been troublesome for the democratic party. it appears that the voters are not coming out with the kind of numbers that have already said. so this is crucial. this weekend will be vital for hillary clinton. >> martin savidge, appreciate it so much. welcome home briefly to ohio. >> the latest cnn electoral map shows the advantage for hillary clinton. the path for donald trump has opened up. some progress there. let's talk about this with cnn politics reporter, steven colinson and edwin brad ner. let's start with this new map here where clinton now is below 270. still, just two points away. a pickup of a single battleground state there puts her over 270. trump has to run the board and
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then some. >> donald trump has to win every state on that map. that includes the main second congressional district. there is not a single electoral vote to spare there. it is going to be hard. the early vote data, it looks like hillary clinton is outperforming president obama four years ago. he won that state fairly handilily. he is going to need a real surge to catch her in that state. florida and north carolina are key states to watch. florida and north carolina are key states. the thing i am watching is african-american turnout. in north carolina, we have seen indications it has fallen off. 2012, perhaps not entirely a surprise. part of this is because there have been fewer early vote locations open. at least specially early in the process. there are other states with between 15%-20% african-american electorates. michigan is one of them that
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trump is hoping to put on the board at the very last minute. florida is another key state. that's a question i'm watching this week. >> we know republicans do better on election day and democrats better in early voting. >> if we talk about who is voting, steven, one of the key elements that have come in is the latino vote here and how much stronger it is this year than the past. >> that's true. if you look in nevada, massive turnout just last night. clearly a good sign for the democrats. that could well be reaction to the tone of donald trump's campaign. his rhetoric about hispanics, his positions on immigration. we are also seeing very heavy turnout of latinos in florida. this is not a good sign for the democrats, because they are seeing, as eric was saying, the african-american vote is down in florida, north carolina in flo da, it looks like that could be compensated for an increase in the percentage of latino voters
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and florida. donald trump's campaign is looking at new hampshire which seems so tightened up. it looked like it was a clear hillary clinton win a few weeks ago. the polls are locked in new hampshire, perhaps a result of the combmy situation with the e-mails. they are also looking at michigan. polling shows the race has tight ped. hillary clinton was double digits ahead. some polling suggests it could be four or five points. donald trump need to put a democratic state on the polls. the trump many campaign is going to target michigan in the next few days. >> can we talk about these huge rallies we saw yesterday with jay-z and beyonce? >> donald trump said, i didn't bring j. lo or jay-z. as compared to the ground game, the democrats have the
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advantage. those rallies are motivating people to get out. are we seeing evidence that trump alone out there is equally in any way what we are seeing for the democrats? >> no. that's why you are seeing this surge in democrats. democrats have been working on for not just months but for a year. hillary clinton built a ground game starting in early '15. it is impossible for the rnc and trump's campaign to match that. you see trump with such an aggressive schedule. he is not just trying to counter the democratic strength on the ground. hillary clinton has tons of surrogates. she has the president, michelle obama, bill clinton. >> joe biden. bernie sanders. donald trump is trying to do this himself. he has people like rudy julie annie and chris christie. he has to be everywhere. he has really no choice to outwork the democrats just to keep pace at this point.
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>> steven? >> crowds are interesting barometer in the the few days. when you are on a campaign, you see big crowds and you think, wow, there is real momentum here. i remember being out with john kerry. often, it is a sign of enthusiasm but not necessarily a sign of turnout. these things can be deceptive in the final play. >> you have to wonder how many of those people came out to see jay-z and beyonce are going to vote. we will see in the numbers. >> as we said, four rallies in four states today for donald trump. he is leaving it all out on the field. this, as the clinton campaign, of course, is working to get out that ground game. we will break down the homestretch strategies next. (vo) maybe it was here,
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she has been on the attack painting trump in many cases as a racist. let's chat about this. cnn political commentator and former hillary clinton campaign manager, patty solis dole is here and brian stealtzer. >> i want to talk about the way hillary clinton is ending her campaign. it was telegraphed she was going to end on a high note as most do. in the last several dates, she has been talking, linking him or mentioning the kkk and talking about the central park five. serious issues. this is not the way she expected to end her campaign to wrap it up. when the crusader acknowledges your opponent, you have to acknowledge that. these last few days are about getting out to vote.
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african-american turnout has been lower than it was in 2012 in 20086789. she needs to rev up that reminding voters that donald trump has been endorsed by the kkk by david duke. it probably helps that day. >> is that the best calculation how you get black voters out? >> of course not. she is talking about what she is going to do also at president. she is talking about the economy. we have some great jobs numbers out on friday. look, the original sin here is donald trump basically saying offensive things about african-americans, about hispanics, women. certainly, you want to remind voters about. >> this is a campaign of
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desperation. >> she should be ending strong, talking about her record, talking about what she is going to do for the economy. . it was 8.6 black unemployment, up from 8.3 from last year. you can applaud that if you want to. i think that's a horrible statement upon what mr. obama, as the president, has done and what she will continue to do. when she does these scare tactics, when she talks about him being a racist or talks about david duke or the k.k.kkk. instead of talking about her record, she has to stop and tell black voters, this is what i am going to do. this is what i have done. when she is not doing that, there is an absence of that. that's why you see enthusiasm not being as strong for for her as for president obama. why is it that the negativity sticks with her more so than the positive? >> you might have asked the most important question of the whole campaign. everybody is saying, i am voting
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for who i dislike the least. that's what it has come down to for an awful lot of people going to the polls. >> i do wonder if that will change come tuesday when the rest of the folks are going to the battle box. >> it is historic in either direction. when they are in the privacy voting booth, maybe it will feel more uplifting and not so depressing. we have seen reams of research that the negative does stick more than the positive. campaign ads toward the end tend to be negative on both sides. donald trump releasing a two-minute long ad that the campaign says is positive but seems awfully dark and bleak, a closing argument message about the global elites that are corrupt. the establishment that is damaging america. he would say that's a positive message. he wants change but the message of the ad is actually very bleak. it is very dark. it is from a speech he gave a few weeks ago. >> let me ask you, paris, we were talking about potentially
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the surrogates not staying on message. do we have the sound from governor sinuu. let play it. >> you think bill was referring to hillary when he said i did not have sex with that woman? >> trump is staying on message. this doesn't help. i can't imagine it helps. >> at the end of the day, everyone who is a trump supporter is extremely happy that mr. trump is staying on message, taking this last. you are just going to speak over sinunu. >> governor sinunu can make these comments. is it particularly helpful? no. maybe to the base he was talking about, they may like that. >> it might help. >> get out to vote motivation. >> we want mr. trump to stay on message. we want to see him articulate this positive message of what he can do and how he can change.
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surrogates may do that. i'm glad that at the end of the campaign, mr. trump is the one on message and on the mark. >> at least for the last ten days. >> the look i just saw on your face, we are going to get to that in a moment. >> quick break. we'll be right back. when they thought they should westart saving for retirement.le then we asked some older people when they actually did start saving. this gap between when we should start saving and when we actually do is one of the reasons why too many of us aren't prepared for retirement. just start as early as you can. it's going to pay off in the future. if we all start saving a little more today, we'll all be better prepared tomorrow. prudential. bring your challenges.
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in what will be a sib of a very tense election, donald trump's campaign office has been vandalized again, the second time in a series of 24 hours.
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>> in the latest incident, a rock was thrown through the window. earlier in the day, words describing trump in derogatory terms were painted on a wall. police do have a possible suspect in custody. beyond that, they haven't said much. yesterday's incident, the latest in a number involving property associated with both donald trump and hillary clinton being vandalized. >> our panel is back with us, cnn media correspondent, brian stealth zer, political commentator paris denard and sam dole. i want to get to some sound from donald trump as we talk about strategies and how they are making their final calls. they are urging people to get to the polls. >> there are multiple open criminal investigations going on hillary clinton. lots of bad things are
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happening. lots of really bad things are happening. i'll tell you what. you are going to be amazed when it is all finished and you look at how it is all flushing out. the system is a beautiful system when it works. >> the system is a beautiful system when it works? >> paris, it seems to me there that he is inferring that you don't want to have somebody in office. you don't want to vote somebody in office who is at the end of the day, he says, going to be involved and distracted by an investigation. is that the right conversation to be having in these final hours. >> if mr. frum p is trying to message to independent voters, that haven't made up their mind whether or not they are going to vote for secretary clinton or mr. trump, i think that is the right message. it reinforces a narrative that says mrs. clinton, secretary clinton, is not trust worthy. she is dishonest. there is something she is trying to hide. if the average american did what she did or members of her campaign did, they would end up
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in jail. >> there is no investigation, nothing to say she is going to be investigated. he is speaking about something that has not happened. >> what he is also speaking about is the fact that the fbi came out and is saying, there is something that they need to look at. that is unprecedented for somebody who could be the next president of the united states. >> this morning in his weekly republican address, he mentioned that there is a potentially pending indictment of hillary clinton. bret baier from fox news who initially introduced that term walked it back, not just a walk-back but a reversal apologizing for that. why is donald trump still using that language? >> at the end of the day, you can speculate as to what's going to happen. secretary xlin ton speculates about what will happen under a trump administration all the time. this is one thing you can infer or conclude about with respect to if the fbi and the justice department does what we think they should do, an indictment should be around the corner.
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>> it is irresponsible to speculate about an indictment. it is a bit rich when donald trump has 70 lawsuits against him to be ewing this kind of language. >> when you are a successful business person, you have lawsuits. >> the sub text of this conversation is that she is a crook. as trump has said, she should be behind bars. she should be locked up. the chants of "lock her up" at rallies -- we have normalized so much. things are only normal in third world countries. these terrible suggestions that we are going to criminalize the other side. i am not going to say that trump is the only one doing that. this criminalization of our politics is something we are going to regret. >> deleting 33,000 e-mails and taking a hammer and lie being it is criminal. these are narratives and
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questions that you should be asking. >> let me move on to rudy julie annie. yesterday, when he was on with wolf blitzer, i think he made a bit of news in this exchange if he got advanced notice of this announcement coming from combmy. he said he spoke only with former fbi agents. do we have the lars larson sound where he was on a radio show and said something different? >> he was on the lares larson radio show in which he said he had spoken about a few of the active agents. there is a call potentially for an investigation with the inquiry of julgiuliani. >> i don't think we are going to get the full story of this fbi rebellion until after the election. >> we have the sound. let's play it from the lars larson show. >> many other rumors i get is a kind of revolution going on inside the fbi about the original conclusion being completely unjustified and also
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a slap in the face of the fbi's integrity. i know that from former agents. i know that even from a few active agents who obviously don't want to identify themselves. >> so rudy giuliani contradicting what he told wolf blitzer yesterday. would you support an investigation and inquiry into that? >> look, i think this is just another blemish on the fbi, frank pli. never have we seen the fbi play a role in the political process like this. i think they need to do some cleaning out of the fbi. i wouldn't support an investigation of rudy julie annie. i do think the plit zation of the fbi is bad for our country and our democracy. the department of justice is one of the -- are the two agencies
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that need to be unbiased. i think that's the real problem. >> obama spoke to that when he talked about that. brian, i know you know what i'm talking about as you are nodding your head saying we don't work on innuendo. both the cia and fbi cannot be politicized. what does that say based on what we are seeing now and what we are hearing from giuliani. do they trust the campaigns or the fbi and the cia? how much damage are they doing? >> there is no institution in america, no piece of the government that's coming away unblemished or unstained as a result of this election. >> is it realistic to ask somebody not to have a political view and use it, i guess? specially for folks in the fbi and the cia, who work here amongst all of these people. >> you hope that any variable here would be nonpolitical or a political, it would be the fbi. this has been the cycle of the
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leak from the "access hollywood" video. >> it is the leak election. >> patty, paris, brian, thank you so much. >> it is the e-mail scandal that has been plaguing the clinton campaign. the state department has released what's likely to be the last batch of e-mails. they have done so just days before the election. we are three days and out, folks. we will have details for you straight ahead. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! i'm so proud of you. well thank you. free at at discover.com/creditscorecard, even if you're not a customer. and you're talking to youro doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further.
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better eggs. it is good to see you bright and early from d.c. i'm christi paul. >> ike victor blackwell. donald trump, hillary clinton, crisscrossing the battleground states making those last stitch appeals to voters, trying to pick up, if there are still some undecided voters out there. trump is in florida, north carolina, nevada and colorado. clinton starting the morning in florida and finishing up in pennsylvania. >> here is the news this morning. there has been a record number of early voters. particularly in the las vegas area. in nevada, more than 57,000 people cast their balance lot in clark county yesterday. that broke the single day record there. it had been at 48,000. brings the total number of early voters in the county up to
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500,000. >> the state department has released what is likely to be the final line of hillary clinton's e-mails before the election. no big headlines there but this drip, drip, drip of e-mails, a consistent reminder to voters of this fbi probe and internal investigation there at the state department. >> let's bring in phil mattingly and steven colin son. so grateful to have both of you here with us. as victor said, no bombshell, so to speak, in this one. the fact that it is still coming out three days prior to the election, how does that drive voters? is there any gauge for that. >> if you talk to campaign advisors, they believe this is baked in? if you had a problem with the e-mail issue, you weren't voting for hillary clinton before now. this late drop isn't going to help. i think this feeds into the narrative the trump campaign is
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pushing, that has spiked over the course of the last couple days because of the comeyler to capitol hill. a poll that came out yesterday that 51% of poll respondents thought that hillary clinton had done something illegal. the trump campaign can continue to push this issue out, push headlines out that make people think she has done something wrong. will that bring voters to trump? no but it might suppress voters for hillary clinton. it is interesting to see whether or not that will come out. that's how the trump campaign feels like this. they feel like it is already baked in. >> is there evidence it isn't baked in? if you have a problem with the e-mail controversy, you have already made that decision. our map has changed. four states moving to the battleground to maybe lean republican. his adds seeing a narrative that is working for him. >> i think it got hillary clinton off her stride. she had to spend the first four days this week pushing down the
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story, talking about comey. the clinton campaign had wanted a much more positive final argument to this campaign. hillary clinton bringing forward the things she would do for americans if she was elected president. this walked all over that. i think you could say perhaps the timing of the polls in new hampshire, character is always a big issue. that's possibly something to do with this. i think the other effect of this is the senate. if it is true that voters are sort of looking at hillary clinton with a more suspicious eye, that could have an impact in down ballot senate races where the democrats need a high share of the popular vote to prevail and win back the senate in some of these close races. from top to bottom, where have you seen the movement in the polls over the last five or six days? republicans coming home. this basically clarifies or validates everything they have been thinking about the clinton
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campaign. they had wondered away for a good period of time. that was what was behind clinton's very large lead. as they walk into voting booths and make up their minds and come to their final decisions, this leads them back to donald trump. is what we have seen in the polling? >> when we talk about polling, let me ask you a question. i have heard a lot of meme say, they are writing people in. we have closet voters we are talking about. we don't know what may be driving them. they might say, oh, i am not going to publicly say i'm voting for donald trump. once they are in there by themselves, it is just them and their conscious. >> that's the big hope of the trump campaign. these voters that aren't being picked up by the polls or are not telling the truth. you have heard donald trump say this is going to be brexit on tuesday. he is talking about the uk's european referendum. the polls are very close. some said one. some said the other. there were these voters that at the last minute voted, like you
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said, with their conscience. that was decisive. i think the parallels can be overdone. the differences between the two owe electoral systems, a clear yes or no vote. we have people voting on party lines. donald trump needs 10 brexits through the battleground states if he is going to get the same kind of effect in this election. if you are behind, those are the things you look for. >> one quick thing. i think it is to note, keep in mind, that could happen on the flip side too. you pointed out the clark county numbers. 57,000 people. that's people that republicans aren't modeling for, probably weren't prepared for. that is a record number on a single day of early voters. there might be the clinton campaign, people think millennials, african-americans and latino voters might be the secret voters that hadn't been identified before here. it is going to be really interesting. >> bill, steven, thank you. >> thank you, gentlemen. the fbi being criticized for influencing the election. is the bureau's credibility tarnished. we will talk about that with cnn
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political commentators on both sides of the aisle. that's next.
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amid rumors of infighting and political influence, some are accusing the fbi of meddling in this election after vague details of e-mails linked to the clinton campaign. >> we want to talk about this political commentator, doug smith and patty solis doyle.
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patty, we want to talk with you. there is so much unfavorable emotion around hillary clinton in terms of her trustworthyness and in terms of whether she is somebody that can lead in that regard. if the fbi is tarnished as some might say it seems, how do you make the case that hillary clinton is the one to fix it when her trustworthy numbers are still low? >> look, i certainly -- certainly, the e-mail server hurt her trustworthy numbers. hillary clinton has a record of once she is in office, once she is governing, of really getting things done, of rolling up her sleeves, putting her nose to the grindstone and working across the aisle, working with republicans and moving the country forward. whether it was as a senator, whether it was as secretary of state, even as first lady, she worked in a bipartisan fashion.
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so i think, if anybody could do it, it is hillary clinton. >> doug, let me come to you. it doesn't matter who is elected. let me change this. regardless of who is elected on tuesday, the future president, the president-elect will have some challenges dealing with the director of the fbi. he has seven years left on his term. at some point during his cam paper, hillary clinton and donald trump have each been very critical of him. donald trump calling him out in his rnc address saying he was covering for potential crimes. how does he work with an fbi director if he is elected president? >> i think he is going to have a very hard time doing that as hillary clinton would. the reality of what we have seen from the fbi regardless of if you are a clinton supporter or trump supporter. i wrote in paul ryan, because i don't think either i a good option. republicans condemned comey earlier this year in the summer. we have seen democrats condemn comey. it makes it very difficlt for the fbi moving forward.
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there is a taint from their actions regardless of which side you take. it will be difficult for hillary clinton or donald trump and specially difficult for the fbi. >> how would hillary clinton handle it? you don't have control of everybody around you. you only have control of yourself. >> politics is politics. this has been a very bruising, awful campaign season to say the least. >> as we all smile through it. that's about all we can do. >> once you are in office, if she is so lucky to get elected president, once she is in the office, she is going to work with the director. now, look. it is unfortunate that the fbi director, comey, has taken a real lhit this election cycle. it has not only been bruising to hillary clinton and donald trump but it has been bruising to director combmy. s . they are going to have to come to some sort of working arrangement. >> as patty knows, it is not
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just administration, the white house working with the fbi, you also have congress. we don't know where exactly the senate is going to be. we certainly think that house republicans are going to maintain control. they are promising investigations into hillary clinton obviously. it is going to be very difficult for there to be not only any big pieces of legislation next year if clinton or trump is president but it is going to be harder with that oversight that hillary clinton p is guaranteed to get from the house. >> let me ask if i could, please, because we have the chairman of the oversight and government reform committee, jason chavis who says he will continue to investigation hillary clinton whether she wins or not. what kind of position does that put both of these candidates? obviously, does it talk to trump's narrative that she is criminal as he says even though there were no charges? or does it speak to her as i'm an overcomer and i'm going to be able to make this work across
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the aisle? >> first of all, it is sad to hear this from our elected members of congress. you want to hear, no matter who wins, we are going to work with the president of the united states of america to move this country forward. that's what you want to hear. instead, we are hearing this very divisive rhetoric from our elected officials. having said that, there is no one who has been more investigated than hillary clinton. whether it is the eight investigations on benghazi, whether it is going back to the clinton years. they have never been -- nothing has ever been found. she is a fighter. she will persevere and get her work done as president of the united states. >> there many republicans that would take issue with you're saying nothing has ever been found. >> i am just saying, there is some that will say nothing has ever been found.
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nothing criminal from director come. one of these, loretta lynch, because of meeting on the tarmac, she has been silent. as much as we have talked about james comey, that loretta lynch seems to have disappeared. patty said politics is politics. in the closing days of the campaign, you don't want to be talking about what you don't want to be talking about. you want your opponents to talk about what they don't want to be talking about. >> hillary clinton has been talking about the e-mails, the investigations, a big part of why we have seen her be stagnant in the polls in the past few days. >> doug, patty, thank you both. >> millions of americans, they have already voted. you know what? more are heading to the polls on tuesday. u.s. officials saying russia could still be trying to influence the results. we'll talk about that and what we've learned this morning. stay close.
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so popular. >> the american dream is dead. bing, bing, bing. bong bong, bing bing. >> reporter: russia's media is relishing every minute of this u.s. election. presenting it as a failure of the u.s. democracy. it's not hard to see who the favorite is here. the republican candidate is presented as a maverick underdog, political outsider who speaks truth to power. hillary clinton, on the other hand, is cast as a dangerous russia hater, whose election could lead to world war iii. russian media frequently labels her a witch, one tabloid calling her evil incar net. it's a response to clinton's aggressive attitude. >> the word on the street is that clinton is hostile to russia. she's been hostile.
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she's made all those anti-russian statements, hacking, putin, russia, just read her statements. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: president putin dismissed allegations that russia is playing favorites in this race, but as the polls tightened, russia media is now suggesting that the election is rigged and that the establishment won't let trump win. one channel has predicted bloody unsocial unrest if clinton becomes president followed by the overthrow of the corrupt regime. >> it's a very effective message for russian audience. russia is very suspicious of american democracy and western democracy and someone who rebels against this system definitely looks very good in the eyes of russia. >> reporter: which is why media here is happily milking this election for all the propaganda
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value it can get. some russian media channels even suggested that american authorities might try to assassinate donald trump to prevent him from becoming president. this gives you a sense of just how ugly the russian coverage of the u.s. election is. as i said before, they're capitalizing on the propaganda value on it, really tries to cast america as a country that is dysfunctional, dangerous and divided but also this provides a very welcomed distraction from russia's own problems here at home. >> clarissa ward, we appreciate it so much. thank you. three days to go now until lot of people go to the polls, but boy the early votes numbers are pretty impressive. >> more than 30 million. we'll talk about that and much more when the next hour of "new
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