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thank you for joining us that the hour. we live in a nation with a president-elect trump. in multiple cities, people are protesting. jean casarez is outside. look at the highway in chicago. let's go back to the shot of chicago in the highway, traffic just stopped on that highway as protesters moving through. that's obviously a situation very difficult for police, similar to kind of black lives matter protests we saw in new
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york, maybe a year or two ago on the west side highway in new york where traffic is just stopped as protesters change directions with these mobile rolling protests who are not necessarily -- there's no permit for, it's just a lot of folks on the move and we've seen this now in new york where jean casarez is standing by outside trump tower. i know you've been following this crowd which started in union square on 14th street in new york. now you're in midtown around 56, 57th street. >> right. this group is protested about 40 blocks up. it started about 6:00 tonight, anderson, and what they are saying here is that they are opposing donald trump's election last night and they're changing their chants. the new york police department is estimated about 5,000 are here tonight. their signs are "trump is not our voice" "don't make america
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hate again" "not my president" "black lives matter" "trump means more war." we wanted to talk to somebody who has been a part of this protest. nick powers, thanks for joining us. why did you come out tonight? >> i think i came out here to let go of a lot of fear that was sparked as soon as i saw the results and part of it was a deep fear of a racist reaction that donald trump will reenact harsher stop and frisk laws that will wind up putting so many people back into prison also fear of the sexism bubbling up in the united states. you saw this incredibly qualified woman to be president superseded by a man who has no qualifications for the office. and i'm here because i'm afraid for the people who might get deported, having their doors kicked down by ice teams and being sent to countries falling apart. >> are you upset at the
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democratic party at all that hillary was the nominee and not bernie sanders? because many believe here that bernie sanders could have permeated that wall and actually beat donald trump last night. >> that's a good question and a lot of people are feeling that. and, of course, i wanted bernie to be the one but when i saw that here is an incredibly qualified woman losing to somebody unqualified, i have to wonder how much sexism was at play in these votes and more importantly that the policies that hillary clinton was putting out were -- even though they were less than i wanted were far superior than the policies that donald trump was advocating when he can put together a coherent position. and now he doesn't have to do the thinking. now he has pence and newt gingrich and giuliani and a whole right wing establishment that will feed him the ideas that he himself would not come up with. >> reporter: our national leaders, including our president, obama, is asking the country to come together to support donald trump, to give him a chance. will you do that?
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>> i'm going to respect the institutions so i will respect the institution of the presidency but i'm also going to respect the institution of protest. in the constitution we have the right to protest for rights and to also protect each other and so i will respect that he's the president but i'm going to fight every single day to make sure he's one term and that the policies that he rolls down don't roll over the human beings that will be destroyed by his policies. >> reporter: thank you so much for joining us. socialist advantage advertised this on facebook and i think they got more people than they dreamed they were going to get but i have to tell you as we were walking from union square up here, there was a man on a bicycle that was biking through the group and he said "stop protesting, go to wikileaks." so he was here also giving his message tonight but as you can see, these people are passionate, anderson, in their belief that donald trump should not be the next president of the
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united states. >> and this is an extraordinary scene. this is a major intersection in the midtown manhattan, if you've been to new york, it's one of the busiest intersections there is and it has come to a standstill as you see right there. we're continuing with our panel in just a moment. paul begala or van jones is going to sign up that man. >> i think it was a young van jones. a time warp there. >> with hair. >> but joining me as we continue to watch the protests and the impact the trump presidency could have on the world and world reaction, fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria gps" in terms of a trump foreign policy, is it clear to you what exactly that will look like? there were a lot of different things said over the course of the campaign about his belief about america's role in the world, about nation building or alliances. how do you see things moving forward now? >> well, it's not entirely clear, anderson because he has been erratic and all over the
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place in many airplane i can't say. but what i'm hearing and reading from people abroad, the concern is this -- the united states has been the upholder, the preserver and the guarantor of a kind of international order since the end of world war ii, since the united states helped lead that coalition to defeat fascism in europe. it set up an international system and it has been in a way the upholder of it. america through its words, its deeds, its actions, its foreign policy. trump seems to dissent from that. he has said so many things that seem to suggest that he'd rather every country go on its own and that is what worries our allies in europe, allies in asia. does he really mean that the japanese should just fend for themselves and maybe get nuclear weapons, the south koreans the same? let's cut a deal with putin so we don't have to worry about this business in ukraine, should saudi arabia get nuclear weapons? you know, that's the part that i
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find worries most people. it's truly freaking out people in eastern europe because they really see their security imperilled but it's worrying and upsetting lots of people because they're wondering, international security and global peace, it's not an exaggeration to say has rested on these bipartisan policies that the united states has followed for 75 years. are they in jeopardy? nobody really knows. >> one of the things that donald trump has talked about a lot during this campaign is making u.s. allies pay their fair share as members of nato, things which, frankly, other presidents, the u.s. has tried to make them do for -- with varying levels of success and in many cases not success. that's certainly something it seems like is a priority for donald trump. and i guess the question is, you know, i think we heard from france's president hollande today saying it opens a period
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of uncertainty. how important do you think it is for trump to convey a sense of stability and continuity to allies right now? >> it's deeply important. you hit on it, uncertainty is the issue. if it were about the idea that allies should pay more, well, presidents going back to jimmy carter have demanded that america's allies pay more, in some cases they have, in some cases they haven't. obama actually, the 2% rule that trump has been talking about was something obama was insistent on and some have and some haven't and you always face complicated negotiations with countries but the more general fear and the uncertainty is just does this guy believe in america's role in the world? does he believe that the united states has been a force that has upheld security and created an international economy and does he want to continue that kind of benign role that the united states has played in the world?
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>> of course, there's so many questions about what does this mean about the fight against isis. donald trump has talked about bombing the hell out of them, about it's going to end quickly, he's going to get it done. the military leadership, u.s./russia relations, the iran deal. there's a lot which is potentially on the table, even the international climate agreement. >> on the middle east i think it's fair to say he's really been all over the place because he at times has said bomb the hell out of isis. at other times he said why should we be involved there? let russia do it. he's talked about unraveling the iran deal and approaching iran with a new and greater level of hostility which would suggest a more militarized american foreign policy in the middle east or a more confrontational one at any event and some of this is contradictory because the iranians have been perhaps the principal force fighting isis in the region in terms of outside powers so some of that can all be sorted out, he has a
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lot of latitude because presidents have enormous latitude in foreign policy. he doesn't have to follow the things he's said. one of the things we're going to learn as we go ahead, anderson, is whether donald trump's off-the-cuff remarks on foreign policy, as on many other things, were expressions of a deep instinct that trump had or were they just off-the-cuff remarks, he realized he had to have a position on them and when confronted with the tradeoffs he will settle for a more sober policy. and one sign of that, anderson, may be whom will he apint to the key roles? there are very serious people in the republican party whom he could appoint. we don't know where he's going to go with that. >> the best made plans often don't survive -- the saying they don't survive the first brush with combat. so once a person is in office,
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it will be different. fareed zakaria, thanks, we're back with the panel, john king, david axelrod, david gergen, dana bash, van jones, kayleigh mcenany. van, you talked a lot of young people out there, that gentleman earlier explaining his position very, very well. >> yeah, the structure of this is going to be the far left in small numbers but loud and sometimes getting a lot of attention but small and bernie sanders and black lives matter. that's the structure of what you could call an anti-trump resistance in the streets that will play itself out. >> does it burn itself out? >> it's going to get cold and finals are coming. [ laughter ] >> because he was saying he wanted to come out because he woke up feeling fear and he wanted to get rid of it. >> the most important thing i want people to hear is fear. he said the word fear four or five or six times. i don't think people
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understand -- it's an inkblot test, i agree. trump said some things that were good and some things that were off the cuff but those things that were off the cuff landed like a bomb. >> to quote one of my favorite democrats, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. >> david made this point an hour ago which is this, the prophet h josiah said those who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind. it's not simply that donald trump won, but it's the way he conducted himself in the campaign which inspired a lot of people to vote but inspired a lot of fear and he is the most divisive person we've elected to be president in our lifetime and this is in some ways just the laws of physics coming back into play that there's going to be an equal and opposite reaction. >> his life is about to change in profound ways and the question is how does he handle that? >> to fareed's point, he is now going to get the real briefing.
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he gets the president's daily briefing now. during the campaign they get the college version of the intelligence briefing. david can tell you, paul, jeffrey, you can see a president who's cheery over coffee in the morning when he's talking about the budgets and then he reads the pdb and goes to ashen face. donald trump is about to learn about the world and i don't say that disrespectfully, any president, whether it's ronald reagan, bill clinton, barack obama, this changes your life so the decisions he makes after this, to fareed's point about whether he surrounds himself with. bill clinton would walk through the white house on the weekends and you'd say where are you going? and he'd say i'm going to the oval i like to sit in the office and think about big decisions. when he's there with the president of the united states, when you walk into the oval office, it just -- even as a reporter, it's just -- it's a sanctuary of american democracy and donald trump is going to go through this transition. >> because he doesn't have a track record on a lot of this, just the statements of a
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campaign, who he surrounds himself as secretary of state, as the national security advisor because fareed is right, uncertainty is what the world cannot tolerate, the financial markets cannot tolerate. his first order of business has to be to put a team together that reassures people -- >> do you have some news? >> on that note i will tell you what somebody close to him texted me. "now you will see donald trump the president, not donald trump the candidate." we don't know what that is, we'll wait and see. >> that's something donald trump used to say. >> it might be donald trump. >> it's john baron. [ laughter ] but to add to what you are saying, there is pressure on him, maybe pressure is too strong, people are encouraging him to do the chief of staff fast and then in the next two weeks to do the big five cabinet and to reassure people. >> it's also telling -- from the
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beginning when he was talking about his potential vice presidential pick he was saying he wanted somebody who knew washington, who could help him with congress and that was -- >> he made a very reasonable pick in mike pence. i think the collision here potentially on the first five that he names and then the people who follow is that the peach who are working those transitions have been vetting various names of who might be good candidates or not and they're taking off the list people who opposed him during the campaign or may have said something negative about him on social media and i will tell you if they restrict it to the circle of loyalists, that i'll have problems. with reagan, tom barrack who i think was one of his best advisors who was on the air an hour and a half ago praised the way reagan went at this. in his case, the day after he got elected he named his chief of staff and he named someone who ran two campaigns against
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him and it was jim baker. it turned out to be one of the best appointments he made. >> the velvet hammer? >> yes, the velvet hammer. you and he have a lot of similarities. >> really? interesting. i'll take that as a good thing in college i remember admiring him from afar. >> and trump reached out to him earlier in the campaign and i think he's the kind of person he ought to be talking to because if he restricts himself to the loyalists that tends to get presidents in trouble. paul will rep in the early clinton months one of the problems he had was he took people who had been in other campaigns and said we're not bringing them in. >> opposite story is i had very little to do with the transition because we had a new baby but i remember being in one meeting and george stephanopoulos suggested mike mccurry to be the state department spokesman. mccurry had been a spokesman for one of the primary opponents and was accused of spreading rumors,
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shocking, that clinton may have played around in his wife. in the meeting clinton said -- somebody said he spread rumors, he was with the opposition. clinton said wait a minute he was against me and now he wants to be for me, he wants to join our team, george, you say he's good, what am i missing? and mike mccurry went straight to the state department. >> he was lined up to go to the white house and they vetoed him. >> before he came to heaven he had to do time in purgatory. >> a reality check, obviously this is a very different dynamic and it hasn't been that they're shunning people who are dying to get into the trump administration. until today, i am told, the big issue was they couldn't get people to commit to doing the jobs and i say until today i was told that now that he is the president-elect things have changed. >> funny how that changes. >> weird. >> he's going to have to make a decision, though, because it's a delicate balance. he just did get elected by what he calls a movement and people
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like kayleigh are going to be watching and jeffrey will be watching closely to see if the people he appoints are establishment people or movement people. >> i think it's important. i was getting, like texts from people i went to high school with who i hadn't heard from in ages who are liberal who are upset today and i do think there's a certain -- i remember whenning are was elected and i was in high school at the time but there was a great -- >> so were david and. >> i there was a great cry about the world coming to an end from a lot of liberals and i'm not comparing them and saying ronald reagan didn't have issues. >> anderson, you are exactly right. >> the institutions of democracy continue. the country continues to move forward, you cannot like the way it's tacking left or right but it's not as if the world comes to an end. >> to go back further, when jimmy carter muscled his way through the democratic primaries -- meaning he defeated the democratic establishment -- and started summoning people to
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plain, plains, georgia, to interview for this that and the other job, there was all this conversation about who are these people and what are these georgians and all that kind of thing. this happens when presidential administrations change and the only real difference is in the case of hillary clinton, had she won, is that she'd been here for 30 years. when you're an outsider as ronald reagan was arguably as a governor and not washingtonian, when you're a jimmy carter, same situation. >> but we see old names which are new again coming back again. >> remember, "lock her up, i will appoint a special prosecutor." what will he do? i'm fascinated about what he says in the ten weeks between now and being president because his people want a special prosecutor. his voters want to lock her up. donald trump would do a lot to unify the country if he said "let's close the chapter." >> we'll continue to watch protests in a number of cities across the country. also ahead, trump had better-than-expected success with latino voters despite the
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rhetoric that continued throughout his campaign. john king breaks down those numbers as well.
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breaking news, protests breaking out across american cities, looking at chicago, demonstrations against the election of donald trump as president. i want to check in with jason carroll, who is with protesters outside trump tower. jason, have the crowds gotten smaller? it's been going on -- we've been covering this for the past hour and a half. they've been outside trump tower. >> reporter: well, it's a dedicated group of demonstrators out here, anderson. the crowd has not gotten that much smaller. you can see right where trump tower is on fifth avenue between 56th and 57th, still blocked by thousands of protester who jammed into the street here. you can see one man on a street light. basically what we're being told by police is they've got most of these protesters sectioned off in a pen and they're going to allow them basically do their thing for a while. we've not been given any
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indication as to how long some of them will be out here. i want to bring in protesters who have come out, they weren't able to get in the pen, they're outside the pen. we're standing in the middle of 57th street and 5th avenue. we've been talking about what happened last night, why you're out here voicing your anger. you, sir? >> i'm actually here to support the outrage of what happened and i'm not surprised, i'm not shocked, i've been having this conversation with my friends over the last year, year and a half and i was expecting a turnout like this because trump did something very interesting. he opened the key and turned the key to feelings people are having in this country. >> reporter: what kind of feelings do you think he turned the key on? >> racism, separatism, division. all those things he's been running on. it's been dormant waiting for somebody to come and say it's kgb to feel this way. i was born and raised in a country with demagogues and
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despots and dictators. >> reporter: you said you were from argentina? >> yes, i was born there, i'm an american, i've been here for 29 years and it's amazing in a country like this, a country i came to get awade from that we live in this right now. >> reporter: i think people are looking at these people out here and some might be saying where were these people yesterday who supported hillary clinton or even during early voting? >> they were here. they voted. but they're basically in shock because of the media, i would say, said the polls are showing that hillary was ahead of everyone but, yet early in the evening it showed that trump was way ahead. and so it progressed and progressed and it just doesn't pan out. >> reporter: trump now says what he wants to do is he wants to be the president of all the people regardless of race, background,
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religion. >> how does he take back everything he's already said in these debates and how do we have people watching these debates, these two people and the intelligence level between these two people where -- who are supposed to both be educated and i'm just confused here. he now wants to be for all of the people when before he wanted to be for some of the people? who are all of the people. we live in a diverse nation and yet we're not being represented. >> reporter: can i ask you a question. this meant the people have spoken and so my question to all of you is where do you think you go from here? >> well, i just think that the country really comes together, depending on what side of the fence you're on, i just really hope that we can come together as one nation -- it's going to sound a little corny, but one nation under god and, you know, we just move forward. tomorrow is a different day,
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everyone is protesting, freedom of speech, but i just really hope that everyone everywhere whether it's here in the u.s. or anywhere else protesting that everyone comes together and everyone is june phied and there is no craziness, no outbreaks of any sorts and we can move forward from here. >> reporter: keep doing what you're doing, protesting peacefully. anderson, the president-elect has made it very clear that what he wants to do is be a unifier going forward but it's also very clear he is going to have his work cut out for him. anderson? >> jason carroll, thanks very much. you can see the white house behind us. we can hear protesters outside not too far from where we are, we don't -- i can't see it but we have a camera on it. we heard protesters chanting --
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i think i heard black lives matter and no more hate. >> no more hate. >> we heard those from protesters and others we have heard tonight, we've seen this in a number of cities, we've seen chicago, portland, oregon, oakland, new york city as well, philadelphia, there's obviously some of the protesters we've heard from tonight say there's a sense of fear, fear of what they see as donald trump's sexism or racism that they believe was expressed during the campaign. as far as race and looking at the numbers, 88% of african-american voters supported hillary clinton, 65% of latinos did as well. john king is back to break it down by the numbers. where did he do better than past republicans to make up for those numbers? >> let's look at the working class vote, you talk about that. i want to make clear, a lot of people millions of voters who hadn't voted before came out of the woodwork to vote for donald trump. that's not true. he got fewer votes than john mccain and mitt romney. what happened is democrats stayed home. but among the voters who did come out to vote for donald trump we have a profound divide in in country on gender issues,
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race issues and income issues. look at white no college degree voters, rust belt states. romney won these voters without a doubt but donald trump won them by bigger margins. this should be nine points. nine in wisconsin, seven in michigan, eight in pennsylvania, six in ohio. so white blue-collar voters in the rust belt were the engine that fuelled this. donald trump turning three states that had been blue since the 1980s red. no doubt about it. but you see those protesters jason carroll is with? there's no question hillary clinton had a much more diverse coalition. democrats thought because of the demographics of this country that diverse coalition was going to power her to the white house like it did president obama twice. but there was a dropoff. president obama got 93% of the african-american vote, hillary clinton dropped off to 88%. latinos dropped off 6%, asians dropped off 8%. independent voters dropped off, younger voters dropped off. the percentages almost don't
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matter as much as the math, the raw numbers. in so many of the key states, detro detroit, for example, milwaukee, for example, african-american turnout, other democratic base turnout like young people was down, she might win 65% in the county and you say wow, she's on track to crush donald trump in the county but the raw vote totals were down and donald trump in a state like this, wisconsin, runs it up in the white rural areas, turnout for democrats, she gets 66% of the vote but the raw numbers are down and guess what? wisconsin is red for the first time since the 1980s. so that's what happened, i want to show you one more quick map as we watch jason carroll out there tonight. there are red states and blue states, there is a deep divide. i like to use this map, democrats don't like it. these are house districts in the united states of america. look at that red. look at the red in this map, we live in a center right country. there's a reason republicans hold more governorships, republicans have the senate majority and the house majority. this is america, blue out on the
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coasts, but most of the middle of america except for minnesota, some areas in the midwest, is deep red. that's the challenge for donald trump. how does he deal with protesters in the streets in new york, in washington, d.c. now, in chicago, in seattle? those are blue areas, how does donald trump deal with them when the people who made him president live in these red areas, they want to build a wall, they want tough action on immigration. other issues he can work with, issues like trade, there are places he can work with voters in the state he is flipped from blue to red. >> john, earlier in the last hour paul begala who was working with the pro-clinton super pac said essentially he believed there was just an enthusiasm gap that donald trump had more enthusiasm among his supporters. that's what you agree with as well. the actual total number of republicans voting for donald trump was lower than john mccain or mitt romney but the number of democrats voting for hillary clinton was much, much lower than for president obama. >> no question again there are a
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thousand reasons for this. we could focus on one or two and it might not be fair. hillary clinton has many strengths as a politician, she's not a visceral dynamic candidate. barbara bush at the beginning of the campaign when she didn't want jeb to run she said in a country of 300 million plus people do we have to have another clinton or bush? i think the electorate processed that without a doubt. one of the narratives was she had a strong superior super campaign organization and they could make up the enthusiasm gap by touching voters and turning them out, well, it turned out not to be true. my first campaign was 1988. when michael dukakis lost 40 states, and people asked did your chief of staff get it wrong. governor dukakis said "the fish rots from the head." it's the candidate's fault is what he was trying to say. >> gloria borger is back, clinton's 2008 campaign manager patti solis-doyle and republican trump critic ana navarro.
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ana, i have to ask you about your t-shirt, what does it say? >> it says tgio, thank god it's over. it seems like it may not be over. and i'm very happy to be here. i want america to know i have not been deported yet. [ laughter ] >> as a republican and somebody who is -- >> wait a minute, jeffrey is taking notes over here. >> let me take care of that now. >> let me let movement republicans know i'm not being interviewed for the chief of st staff position. >> in terms of where you're at, bringing the country together which is something everybody wants, everybody protesters in the street tonight, at some point thicks have to come together. how does that happen? >> it happens with donald trump, i think he struck a conciliatory note last night, i think hillary clinton struck a similar note today. she was gracious. you have to be gracious in victory and defeat and so far we
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have seen both of them the do that, we saw,er think, president obama do that. i have to tell you, it's all i can do to unhook myself and go out to the street and protest with these folks but i feel a very strong respect for the institution, for the presidency, the office of the united states. i kept saying that over and over again. it's what motivated me over and over again to fight and i'm very at peace with myself. i did everything damn thing i could to stop donald trump from becoming president but today i know he is the president-elect and his success is our success, is our country's success and that's what we have to focus on. we have to give him a chance to lead. now if while being president he resorts back to being the kind of campaign person the kind of subhuman person, racist, divisive, hostile, sorry, i still need to vent. then we will call him out and we will call him out forcefully
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because that's what we're here for, that's what america means, freedom of expression. until then we have to think give him a chance to show what kind of person he's going to be as president. >> patti, obviously you were working with clns clinton in 2008 when it didn't work out so you have been here before. what do you say to protesters in the streets who may be thinking about going out in future demonstrations about trying to bring the country together, about, to ana's point, of giving the president a chance to lead? >> yeah, well, look, i ran her '08 campaign, we lost and it was horrible. it's an excruciating thing to lose a presidential campaign because you put everything you have into it. these are 18, 20 hour days, it affects your family, your friends, it's excruciating. so i feel their pain when their candidate lost but i agree with ana. it's time to come together now,
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time to unify. if the bernie sanders people could do it with the clinton people during the primary, i think we can do it now but, look, the onus is on trump to be gracious and i think we'll see a lot more graciousness tomorrow when trump meets with the president in the oval office. we'll see two presidents tomorrow and i think that's going to have an impact. >> patti, you know, they're not protesting because they lost. they're protesting for the fear of losing to donald trump and what the future holds. and i think it's so important that donald trump and his close advisors see these protests and realize we are a divided country and govern ago divided country is very difficult. it's up to them and to their benefit to reach out. >> one of the things that i remember from 2009 that kind of stunned me was two things, one was rush limbaugh saying when obama took office "i am rooting for him to fail."
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>> can i say something to that? >> "i want him to fail." and the second, frankly, were people like donald trump who challenged the president's right to be there, challenged his citizenship. i don't raise that to be provocative. i raise it because many people -- i believe what you believe which is we have one president at a time, we all have to hope for success. it's the success of the country but there are a lot of people who say well, gee, they didn't give barack obama that chance. that doesn't matter. that doesn't matter now, what matters is what happens going forward. >> i want to answer for rush here. when he said that what he was saying was that he believed senator obama, president-elect obama was going to move the country towards the socialist left and he hoped he failed in that attempt. he's frequently said since that he didn't fail in the attempt. he didn't want him to fail in the sense that i think this is
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being used. >> so he meant in the a nice way. [ laughter ] >> what he meant is look as a conservative he didn't want the country, the president to take the country to the far left. we have to take another quick break. trump protesters are still on the streets in a number of cities. they're in new york. we'll hear from voters key to donald trump's victory, working class white americans saying why they backed donald trump take to. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. hey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. over time, your money could multiply.
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. protests going on in a number of major cities in los angeles, from los angeles to new york, people protesting the election of donald trump as president. in key rust belt states and beyond, working class voters voted. they roared at the ballot box. blue-collar workers carried donald trump into the white house. they're the key to understanding how this race ended in ohio, martin savidge asked trump voters what drove their decisions. >> i'm not an angry white old man. i just feel that i've been through -- well, i've been alive for 65 years and i've seen a lot go on and i just thought that this may be the first time i've
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seen something we can change. >> reporter: we were at anthony's restaurant in ohio in a county that went strongly for trump. like many supporters, mike's old enough to remember when good-paying factory jobs were plentiful but times have changed and he feels kind of cheated. >> just got a notice the other day saying my social security is going up $3.69. boy, i can get a loaf of bread now. but i've worked all those years and i see that money that went into social security and i'm not benefitting. >> reporter: that sense that somehow life has been unfair is common in the areas that turned out for trump. hard-working people who got no break and no help from washington. you mention the idea of fairness and fair play and that there is a segment of our population that you believe is not getting the fair shake they deserve. >> we're living proof. >> reporter: lindsay norton exposes a common myth -- voters
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sending trump to the white house aren't all men and they aren't all old. >> i'm a working man, i work 50, 60 hours a week, you know? when i leave typically my neighbors are at home, when i come home my neighbors are at home so i'm talking from an extreme side and i feel like i like around and not everybody's trying exactly. you know? a lot of people are taking but not giving. >> reporter: trump voters were long suffering and they say often silent. >> a lot of people are -- kept quiet about a lot of things as to what the government was doing, they wouldn't open their mouth or say anything, they were tired of being pushed too far and they decided to make a change in their lives and to vote for donald. >> reporter: it's to send a message? >> yeah, send a message to congress or whoever, to washington that we're ready for
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a change. >> reporter: was donald trump the change or did he happen to come along at a time where people were just really -- >> he came along at a time when people were head up. >> reporter: the biggest issue for all of them? it's not the wall or immigration, it's jobs, the economy. they want jobs to come back and they simply think trump the businessman can make that happen. seriously? big factory jobs, i asked? >> i believe that small business makes up a majority of jobs in our country and if we can open up little factories with 200 and 300 employees, that will work. >> reporter: turns out these trump voters don't expect trump to deliver on a lot of what he says. >> as long as he puts forth an effort i'll be satisfied to move in the right direction of prosperity instead of just giving it away. >> martin savidge joins us now from east lake, ohio, near cleveland. hillary clinton tried to make this about donald trump's character but among a lot of his supporters even if they didn't
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like certain things he said or did smafs a much smaller issue than these pocketbook issues and the belief he can affect change. >> change is the key word. i cannot stress it enough. they had two candidates, essentially, they saw and they had to ask themselves which one did they think was going to bring about change. they were fed up with washington. was it going to be the businessman that's never been to washington or the woman running for office who many say has been in washington for 30 years? most said there was only one clear choice and that was donald trump. >> martin savidge, appreciate it, thanks very much and thanks to those who talked to you today. protests going on in a number of american cities, also in front of the white house. michelle kosinski joins me from the white house. michelle, i can hear the protesters outside the white house from over here. we're overlooking the white house. from your location i'm not sure you can s you can see them, i'm sure you
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can hear it. what are they saying? >> reporter: we can't it because it's profanity. there's a few dozen and they sound like they're students or young people. similar groups were out here last night but they've been coming and going. they're not causing a disturbance but that's what we can expect to see out here, anderson anderson. >> so much of what president obama has accomplished the president-elect is promising to undo. in terms of the programs that would be in limbo, certainly obama care what donald trump has said, is top of the list. >> reporter: there's a very long list of what the president has done that donald trump has vowed to repeal or change. we can focus on the obvious first -- obamacare. he's vowed repeatedly to repeal that. and the white house pretty optimistically today pointed out that, yes, it's a law, he would need congress to repeal it. republicans don't have 60 seats in the senate but he could essentially derail obamacare by not enforcing certain parts of
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it, by changing certain items through executive action or otherwise that could put it to rest. also there are things like the tpp, the massive trade deal with asia, people are looking at that like that is going nowhere at this point. then there's the environment and climate, not just the paris climate agreement but other action the president has taken like his clean power plan. we know donald trump wants to do things like invigorate the coal industry in america. he could roll back some of those or not enforce them or take his own executive action. remember, that's how president obama got around gridlock in congress and that could affect a number of areas, not just climate, immigration, guns, refugee programs and we're not even getting into foreign policy, things he could change there. >> and a fascinating event tomorrow at the white house, bishop-elect trump is scheduled to meet with president obama. what do we expect?
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i assume there will be a camera or they'll make a joint statement? >> reporter: we're not sure to to expect. it could be a press conference where they both take questions. the white house an easy meeting. i mean, here comes somebody to the white house, that president has ridiculed, has called a danger to national security, and branded essentially as a reality show joke and not qualified to be president. so now he's going to sit down with donald trump and go over policies and priority. the president's priorities are not the same as donald trump's prioriti priorities, but the white house wouldn't say it was lobbying donald trump to keep them in place, but they did say they would layout the status of where certain policies stand right now and they would also go over the benefits of them, in the hopes -- again talking very optimistically, donald trump and
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his team would see some of them don't need to be repealed fully and there are some benefits there. >> we'll see. michelle, thank you very much. back with the panel, and cnn senior analyst, jeffrey toobin. john? >> let me play the violin for you. if the obama people think they're going to convince trump -- maybe one or two things, they can convince him, but to david gergen's point. they call it a point of personal privile privilege. mr. axelrod, you were still tight with the president, gearing up for 2012, when donald trump was the chief cheerleader for the birther movement and donald trump's comments were one of the reasons, a factor, in the president deciding to put out the long form birth certificate. the personal animosity between this president and this president elect cannot be denied. they are going to sit in the sacred shrine of democracy.
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he's got to be sitting in that house stewing. >> you said the right words, the sacred shrine of democracy. he takes that seriously. what he says outside is what he says privately about this election. he talked to the staff today as i understand it. >> what has he said about donald trump in those days? >> he's irritated, no doubt -- secretary state axelrod. >> he dealt with it at the white house correspondents dinner, but since you used a point of personal privilege, let me use one, to say, it is easier to talk about unraveling these programs than it is to do them when there are beneficiaries of them. there are 20 million americans who have healthcare today because of the affordable care act. there are people with preexisting conditions because the law insurance is required to cover them. there are people who hit lifetime limits on their
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insurance policies who have to get care because those are no longer allowed, so it is -- the people -- it's always been more difficult to say we're going to -- easier -- it's always been easier to say we're going to repeal the affordable care act, then talk about how we're going to protect all of those things. >> now it's not about replacing it, it's having to do it. if they have the votes to do it, which it looks like they do, you can't just repeal it and say bye-bye. they have to have an actual plan they can task, that's the challenge. >> and they can't say to people who now don't have to tell people they've got cancer when they're getting their health insurance to say, suddenly you do. you just -- you just can't do that. now my question is whether, when the president actually meets with donald trump, whether he tries to say to him, what david just said, whether he tries to say, okay i understand you're going to try and repeal obamacare, but just take care of those people with preexisting
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conditions and those -- >> which by the way donald trump has already said whatever he comes up with it cover that. >> this meeting has not been one you chew over a program. >> no t has not. >> this is really an opportunity to get the transition in moving. i think it's going to be a very business-like meeting. there's not going to be a lot of just sort of reflecting on things. donald trump wants to get the work, but president obama doesn't want to chat with him. it's very important to obama to have extremely professional hand off, and i think he will -- i think his team will do that well. >> as president bush did with us. >> and jeffrey, how do you see this transsniition? >> trump won and he's going to drive a truck through the obama administration record and president obama will be very polite, but let's not under estimate why -- what his appeal is. what donald trump's appeal is. it was born in the birther movement. it continued through immigration.
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>> and let's talk about the supreme court, which you've written about brilliantly. how big of an impact on that? >> he has a very free hand. he has a majority in the senate. yes, theoretically you could have a filibuster, but there are a number of democrats who are up in red states who are very likely to cooperate with donald trump on many -- on many issues. there's only one vacancy at this point and it's justice scalia's seat, so would probably be a conservative for conservative. 80-year-old ruth ginsburg, and 80-year-old steven briar. >> and very quickly on the attorney general, what are your thoughts? >> i think it's going to be rudy giuliani, and i think he's going to prosecute hillary clinton. >> not so sure. >> everybody is saying oh, he's going to be nice -- >> i'm not so sure it's going to be giuliani. >> do you think it's senator sessions he would do the same thing? >> absolutely.
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protests continue against the trump presidency in a number of cities coast-to-coast. cnn continues to cover them. our political coverage continues all night. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> announce >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news protests spreading in the wake of donald trump's election. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. the voters have spoken but this is a still a country divided. hillary clinton winning the popular vote while donald trump wins a stunning upset electoral college victory. >> to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> donald trump is going to be our president. we owe

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