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welcome to our second live hour of "360." people are taking to the streets for the second night demonstrating against president-elect donald trump. dallas and philadelphia. live pictures there. earlier president obama and president-elect donald trump met for the first time at the white house. the president said it was a wide-range being conversation. that his number one priority in the coming months is to try to facilitate a transition that ensures success. >> i believe that it is important for all of us,
regardless of party and regardless of political preferences to now come together, work together to deal with the many challenges that we face. and most of all, i want to emphasize to you, mr. president-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. >> michelle kosinski joins me from outside the white house. what did president-elect trump say? >> despite the gorilla in the room be that he wants to roll back virtually all of president obama's policies and the fact that one day prior white house staff was openly weeping, today it was all about let's get along for now. let's put our best foot forward and reassure america.
we heard donald trump call president obama a very goodman. he may want to work with him in the future and even consult with him. listen. >> i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counsel. he's -- he explained some of the difficulties, some of the high flying assets and some of the really great things that have been achieved so, mr. president, it was a great honor being with you and i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. >> thank you. thank you, everybody. we are not -- we are not going to -- >> reporter: the president at the very end, you heard him say -- he said this in a joking way but he said, one thing you don't want to do is answer reporter's questions when it's in a scrum like this, which was kind of interesting, from one president to the next one. you know, the white house said that this was focused on the transition because we heard president obama call it an excellent meeting. what does that really mean under
the circumstances. looks like even though the president called it wide ranging and they did go over domestic and foreign policy, really they were talking about let's have this transition be orderly and efficient. anderson? >> and it went on for some 90 minutes, which i believe was much longer than it was supposed to go for. i mean, these -- when you think -- just an extraordinary image today. obviously these men have said a lot of things about each other over the years. do you think today's meeting actually thawed any of that tensions or was this out of respect for the office this is how things are done. >> that's a great question. when you look at some of the things that were said. everybody is going back and replaying the videos. it's an historic, comedic contrast. donald trump called president obama stupid, founder of isis. president obama said donald trump was dangerous and unfit to be president of the united states. obviously they want to put that aside.
you know, they both have the same interests of seeing america move forward and be successful ultimately. i thought it was really interesting later when you go to the white house and say all those things that president obama said during the campaign trail, what about that? and the white house isn't going to back away from that. they reiterated today, in fact, after this meeting that president obama meant everything he said on the campaign trail. that still stands. anderson. >> michelle kosinski, thank you very much. trump headed to a meeting with house speaker paul ryan. a pleasant tone. phil mattingly tonight reports. >> reporter: a relationship defined by tepid acceptance at best. >> nothing's a blank check. you never give anybody for any reason a blank check on anything. >> reporter: and downright an tag gee nimp at worst. >> maybe he doesn't know how to
win. >> reporter: for months center stage in a delicate dance of clashing politics, policies meeting face to face today in washington. now reliant on one another for success. >> donald trump had one of the most impressive victories we've ever seen and we're going to turn that victory into progress for the american people. >> so we had a very good meeting, very detailed meeting and we're going to put something together that's affordable and better. >> reporter: for trump ryan represents bridging the gap for the establishment gop an explicitly stated goal in trump's victory speech early wednesday morning. >> now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. have to get together. to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united
people. >> reporter: for ryan, a president that can finally sign policy priorities that have been collecting dust despite nearly seven years in the house majority. >> this congress, this house majority, this senate majority has already demonstrated improvement. we're able to pass legislation and be put it on the president's desk. problem is president obama vetoed it. now we have president trump coming who is asking us to do this. >> reporter: advisors tell cnn both men have had positive things to say about the other in the wake of private meetings and post-election phone calls, but the two have more than just a strained relationship standing in their way. ryan has faced criticism from conservative house republicans for not fully supporting trump as the nominee and ryan splits with trump on entitlement, trade and his hard-line immigration stance but for now at least it appears each man is focusing on where they have common ground rather than differences. >> how do we make sure we are
hitting the ground running? we are very excited about working with him to make sure that is the case. >> phil joins me now from outside trump tower in new york. donald trump has a long and in many ways controversial agenda. paul ryan for his part has his own lengthy agenda. which gets priority next year? >> reporter: well, anderson, i can tell you i've been talking to a number of lobbyists who could add a couple of zeroes to their retainers if they could answer that question. it's one of the unknowns partially because you don't necessarily know how firm donald trump is on a number of his policy proposals, but in talking to republican officials, i think this underscores their willingness to put the past behind them. a tangible excitement about the possibility of moving some of the issues forward that they haven't been able to over the course of the last five or six years, that's what they're focused on right now. there's low hanging fruit. health care, tax policy they're going to start with first. the big question though is how willing is donald trump to work with house republicans when they
diverge from what his proposals are? that we don't have an answer to yet, anderson. >> phil mattingly. phil, thank you very much. john king, maria cardona. you're a hillary clinton supporter. you are not happy about the results. what do you make of what you have seen over the last 36 hours in terms of this transition? >> a couple things, anderson. i agree with man and everybody on this panel, so far what we have seen in this transition should give us hope, but here's the problem with that. donald trump's speech absolutely had the perfect tone. it had the right words, but five minutes of nice words is not going to make up for 15 months of what all of these communities that are now on the streets and many more who haven't said anything but are incredibly afraid of what's going to happen under a trump administration, it's going to take a lot more than just those five minutes of nice words to calm them. there are stories, not just of the folks who are attacking
muslims. there are stories of trump supporters going up to women and grabbing them and calling them the c word. there are stories of trump supporters yelling at latinos, spic, you wetback, go back to mexico. there are stories of schools whose principals have had to put out a letter to their students telling them if you are lgbt, if you are muslim, if you are latino, if you are undocumented or have parents undocumented, you will feel safe in this school, you will not be bullied, you will be protected. to me that signals that we are entering into an era that we have not seen in a generation. i agree with van. it is dangerous. i think donald trump has a tremendous opportunity, a challenge but a tremendous opportunity to address this but address it in a way that is very particular to all of the communities of color who really are reeling and are hurt about this. >> but let's -- you know, look. there are demonstrations on the
streets, but this was a valid election. >> absolutely. >> people ran. donald trump won. >> that's right. >> we've had elections in the past. we haven't necessarily seen demonstrations like this so there is some frustration i'm hearing from trump supporters who say, look, this was a legitimate election and why are people now protesting the streets? >> i'll tell you a couple of reasons why. first of all, legitimate election. donald trump won the electoral vote but guess what, hillary clinton is 2 million votes ahead of him in the popular vote. >> you know what? so what? >> i understand that, but that actually adds to the rawness of this -- of what this election result is. >> but there's always half the country that feels raw after an election. we don't necessarily see that half demonstrating in the streets. >> one last point though. i compleely agree, and to a certain extent, you know, all of the hillary clinton supporters are going to have to understand that that is the path and that they at some point have got to give donald trump a chance.
follow her lead. follow president obama's lead. i'm sorry. also, he said he wants to be the president for everybody, and if he really wants to do that, then he has to understand that the responsibility on his shoulders is that he also has to be the president for all of those communities. >> you know, i don't think he needs to worry about these protesters at this point. frankly, when they're going outside trump tower and saying impeach donald trump when he's not even sworn in and when they're blocking highway 101 in los angeles and writing all kinds of foul language things on police cars and also vandalizing other property, i think that they just don't understand the way a republican democracy works. it was a legitimate election. there were no irregularities. his tone at 4:00 a.m. wednesday morning was magnificent. i was in the room and i can tell you it was an inspirational american moment. hillary clinton was very good yesterday. barack obama, absolutely today. and what you've seen is great
american leadership. i think that sends a signal that will be heard throughout the land and it will overcome the voices of protesters. i think in the days ahead as he picks his cabinet, as he picks more and more of his leadership, they're going to be the type of people that mike pence is, kellyanne conway, people who are quality who know how politics works, knows human relationships. i think these people are going to calm down and get on board. these people in the sense of protesters. >> van, do you believe that? as people start to see, okay, some of these names in the cabinet are names we've heard before, they've been in government before, this isn't a complete revolution, whethill ts calm down? >> those people in the streets aren't hillary clinton supporters necessarily. it's very important we understand the dynamics there. those people are the people that didn't feel democrats or hillary clinton or anybody was speaking for them and so you've got a
challenge there. you've got the young rebels out there and listen to them and hear. i think that's an important thing. with respect to -- listen, donald trump is doing well right now. that's important for people to get. there is a trust deficit. that is true. part of the -- the reason the trust deficit comes, there were moments in the campaign he did well and then he would change and then he would do well again and so people don't know yet, are we on solid ground. >> right. >> so i think it's important for supporters to understand there is a trust deficit. he's doing well right now. these young people, hillary clinton go out there right now, hillary clinton tell them to sit down, they'd walk right past. >> that's all the more encouraging. when they find out donald trump ran against the establishment. he ran against bringing ethics back -- >> i think they know that. >> a lot of these people are millennials. i'm here to tell you as a millennial myself, they care about jobs, student lone debt. when donald trump brings jobs
back, they're going to be very happy. >> we have to take a quick break. also tonight after everything donald trump has said about women, which were much discussed obviously with the election. with the prospect, why didn't more women vote for hillary clinton? certainly a question a lot of democrats and democratic women are asking. it's a question about as complex a nuance as they get. we'll look at that ahead as well. ♪ ♪ when you find something worth waiting for,
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a second night of protests against the election of donald trump. philadelphia, the main question is what he will do. here's what he said after a meeting on capitol hill today. >> people will be very, very happy. we have a lot. we'll look very strongly at immigration, the border. we'll look very strongly at health care and we're looking at jobs. bigly jobs. >> donald trump just tweeted about his meeting today saying a fantastic day in d.c. met with president obama for the first time. really good meeting. great chemistry. melania liked mrs. o a lot. there you go. >> that's good. >> is that the first official tweet as president-elect? >> no. he tweeted something -- >> okay. >> this is sort of an alternate universe. pre-honeymoon. and these people are -- they don't like each other. they haven't met each other,
which was really stunning because they've never met before, but it's kind of hard to believe that donald trump comes in and says he has great respect for obama, the man whose citizenship he challenged for five years before. and the president, i mean, showed him the same respect that he had been shown by bush, and i know that that affected him a great deal. >> yes. >> when bush was so gracious and generous, and now they've become really good friends. i think mrs. obama wanted to take around melania trump because she had young children in the white house and melania trump has a young son and she wanted to tell her what it's like to live in this bubble and how it is to raise your child that way, but nothing has happened. you know, they were all pitch perfect because they had to be for the international community, keep the markets calm and out of respect for the office and the country they love. >> right. >> and -- but let me just say that nothing has happened yet.
>> right. >> he's not in office. there's no -- >> i don't want to be the skunk at the garden party. >> trump said -- the sound you played from trump was very important. he was asked what are your top three priorities. it didn't sound like he was ready for the answer. then he thought about it, health care, immigration, jobs, bigly jobs. what the republican leadership is telling him is do the big league jobs first. we're sequencing matters here. if they repeal health care right away. they're going to pick a fight with democrats. if that's what donald trump wants, he should do that. do health care and pick that fight. do the immigration bill, pick that fight. but if he does a tax package, he'll have the republican votes. democrats won't like it. a president generally gets his tax package. if you add into that the infrastructure projects that donald trump talked about in the campaign, democrats will have that. he'll have some trouble on the republicans. they'll say, how are you going to pay for this.
republican governors will love that because you're creating jobs in the country. there's an opportunity early on to do a big republican priority tax reform that includes some democratic proposals. >> what about on trade issues, too? there's a lot of liberals in the democratic party, bernie sanders. >> that will take a little bit of time. quickly on the point where he said that he's going to consult president obama in the future. i don't think that's going to happen often but there are times -- sometimes we never find out about these things. questions of war and peace. >> that's right. >> donald trump will be the 45th president in the history of the republic. it is an exclusive club. they have made war and peace decisions. president obama is about to take his last foreign trip. he's going to meet with angela merkel, other leaders who are nervous about donald trump. i assume they will talk about that trip. we may never hear about that. >> i don't know. >> i want to say this as a candidate. one reason you want to meet with your former opposition or somebody who's on the opposition team, it actually brings emotional closure to the campaign, not just for you but for all your supporters.
if you look at that tweet that donald trump put out today, that was sending a signal to millions and millions of americans who follow him, okay, the campaign is over. let's get on with the business of the american people. and very, very positive. >> it is interesting and, again, as you said, this is a honeymoon period. i keep thinking back to, you know, interviews i did with donald trump in the primary season where he said, i can be presidential. when i'm in palm beach i can have society people really like me. when i'm in a construction site, it's a different thing. >> yeah. >> maybe that's some of what we're seeing. >> he has -- >> it's kind of like a chameleon. we are seeing that chameleon act the role. >> making a shift. >> no, i meant to your point, he can act this part, right? and the hope is -- my hope is he will continue on this path and i think that going on some sort of
legislative plan to do something in a bipartisan way will go a long way to sort of calm people because to your point, it has -- it's not -- >> i just have to say, it's not an act. donald trump, anyone who took the time to look at his business and the brand he built, he's very likeable. the first lady went in there -- >> made this point in the last hour. anybody who's interviewed him knows there is a very charming side to donald trump. >> right. >> very gentlemanly side. >> donald trump attacked a lot of people. >> that's right. >> but barack obama was ripping him limb to limb for the last -- >> and all the surrogates. >> and he's still able to come in and be this way. and, look, that was my experience with him. i have been very critical to him on air and he knows that and he told me that, but he still is able to interact in a -- >> look at ben carson.
>>on kink,-- john king is tryin lay out a pathway to unity. i just want to add to it because i think it's important for people at home to figure out how can we actually not have a catastrophe here. kaylee has pointed out over and over and over again this outreach that donald trump did to the african-american community on the campaign trail. it landed very badly because of the tone and the message, but that is something to add. you talked about the tax reform piece and infrastructure, but also a major push to uplift the poor. >> how about this one? >> let me add something donald trump said in another tweet about the protests that we've been seeing. just had a very open and successful presidential election. now professional protestors incited by the media are protesting, very unfair. >> i think somebody needs to take away his twitter account again. >> that's right. >> there are groups -- i mean, you talked about this last night, the one in new york with some socialist group. >> yeah. >> would like to know. the sincere question, not just
snarky, why aren't they working? it might be because of the economy. how many thousands of people -- >> come on. >> seriously, i don't understand how thousands of people across the -- >> that's how worried they are. >> wait. now i'm going to get snarky. >> i'm saying, there's a reason these are happening at night, which is people have jobs during the day and then they have free time at night. >> and that's exactly how worried they are. to your interview with mr. khan, which was fabulous and very touching as he always is, he said something that i think is also very relevant in this whole protest era of healing that donald trump needs to face. he said that donald trump needs to tell his supporters, he needs to engage his supporters and tell them to essentially knock it off. >> no, wait. >> i have to say this as somebody who's been on the campaign trail, i have to say we're hearing a lot of there are stories out there, there's hearsay. i promise you, if that was going
on, the media would rush in and show pictures. >> wait till tomorrow. wait till tomorrow. >> i'd love to see it. >> we should -- we should actually -- >> i'm not saying that's happened. >> let's take a break. melania trump, we're going to take a look at what she may do in the white house. she's going to be the only second born foreign first lady. >> there will be good times. rap. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source. new aleve direct therapy. you foundi'm a robot! cars.com rawr yeti and found a place to service it, too. ♪ jingle bells now when you're ready, you can sell your old car and find your new one all on cars.com you know us for shopping, and now we're there for every turn. cars.com it begins from the the second we're born.er. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself.
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well, as we've been reporting on, president-elect trump and his wife melania spent the day in washington. while the president-elect met with president obama in the oval office, mrs. trump visited with first lady michelle obama. they toured the white house residence and talked about raising kids. randi kaye tonight takes a look at mrs. trump's path to first lady. >> it will be my honor and privilege to serve this country. i will be an advocate for women
and for children. >> reporter: melania trump just days before learning she would be the next first lady of the united states. at this speech in berwyn, pennsylvania, she spoke of her love for this country as a little girl growing up under communist rule in slovenia. >> we always knew about the incredible place known as america. america was the word for freedom and opportunity. america meant if you could dream it, you could become it. >> reporter: throughout the race melania was somewhat of a reluctant campaigner, often staying home with the couple's young son baron. the trumps reportedly have a cook but no nanny. early on in the campaign she was more often seen and not heard. in fact, it wasn't until the wisconsin primary in april that melania officially stumped for her husband. >> i'm very proud of him. he's hard worker, he's kind, he has a great art, he's tough, he's smart.
>> reporter: in march during an interview with anderson cooper, melania shared how she feels about being compared to jackie kennedy. >> they compare me to jackie kennedy. it's an honor but of course we're in the 21st century and i will be different and she had the great style and she did a lot of good stuff, but this is different time now. >> reporter: as a slovenian immigrant, melania will be only the second foreign born first lady and the first in modern times. president john adams wife, louisa adams was born in london. she was the first lady nearly 200 years ago melania knaus as she was known, she's 5'11". she told "people" magazine she thought he had, quote, sparkle and later became his third wife. melania once graced the cover of
magazines and had her own line on qvc. as first lady, melania, who is 46 plans to focus on women and children. she hopes to end cyber bullying and teach children to treat others with compassion. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. >> reporter: from fifth avenue to pennsylvania avenue melania trump will soon be first lady. randi kaye, cnn, orlando, florida. and joining me maria cardona, anna navorro, and gloria borger. they're very strong women in different ways with differepathe white house. they have the commonality. they're going to be raising in the case of melania trump a son in the white house. >> i think both of them wanted to be protective of their children, and i think that's
clearly what they talked about today. i also think that michelle obama took a while to find her way and what she wanted to do and she ended up, along with jill biden, doing something for veterans families which became her big thing in the white house. i think melania has already said that and people have, you know, made their jokes about her husband and his tweeting, et cetera, et cetera, but it's a serious issue and she can have -- she can have an impact if she can take advantage of it. and that's -- you know, it's a difficult road for a first lady. >> maria, certainly democrats expected obviously hillary clinton to win and expected more women, i think, to be supportive of hillary clinton. as you look at the election results, i mean, what went wrong? because, i mean, you were convinced hillary clinton was going to win. >> absolutely. not only were we convinced she was going to win, we thought she would get the majority of college educated white women or
college educated white voters and she didn't. from what i'm seeing from the information that has come in since then, that spectrum of the electorate started eroding. college educated white women and white men started eroding. that spiked after the "access hollywood" tape for obvious reasons, especially the support among women, but then with the fbi and the wikileaks, that started to go down. there was no additional scandal involving women with donald trump to be able to offset that. so i think a lot of these women who were republican leaning but were disgusted by donald trump, with the fbi letter, i think they started thinking, okay, maybe not so much. frankly, what the republicans were saying i think ended up being true. they didn't want another scandalous person in the white house. they kind of were sick of the status quo. the status quo and the wikileaks stuff i think started sticking to her yet again and it really drowned out her ability to get through on the family economics message. >> amanda, do you agree with
that? >> yeah. i think a lot of the fundamentals were against hillary clinton. it was going to be a republican year and she positioned herself as the establishment candidate. she actually ran on being obama's third term. i heard republicans saying wouldn't it be great if we could convince everyone she would be obama's third term. it was a gift. the "access hollywood" tapes were very bad for trump, but when the other things came out it reminded everyone of her significant flaws, character issues, national security. it all kind of came together in the perfect storm. and i know republican women who are very concerned about donald trump's concerns towards women. they said, well, that's personal to me but these other things out weigh that at this point in time. >> i mean, and, you know, what a lot of trump supporters, kellyanne conway was one of them whom we talked to in the last hour was saying all along there's an enthusiasm gap. more people are enthusiastic about donald trump. fewer republicans voted for trump than mccain or romney.
a lot fewer voted for hillary clinton than voted for obama. >> we knew it from the start, right, that both these candidates had historic low approval ratings amongst americans. we also knew from the start that hillary clinton had a likability problem and had a trustworthiness problem. then there was this drip, drip, drip during the entire campaign coming out of the e-mail issues. you tell me to tell you what this campaign should have been called was sex, lies, videotapes and e-mails. we had the e-mail story go on for 18, 19 months. they were never able to address it properly because it never ended. >> it wasn't out of the blue. it reaffirmed all the pre-existing beliefs and concerns about hillary clinton. >> let me tell you, if i was a democrat, i would be so upset and disappointed right now at the clintons, at hillary clinton, bill clinton, clinton world. they knew they were going to run eight years later. they knew the scrutiny that came for running with presidency was and they needed to have behaved
in an impeccable manner that would have not brought back all of the memories. >> they would dispute that. >> here's the thing we learned. we learned that women don't just vote for women because they're women. >> yeah. >> and i think that what the clinton campaign believed is that donald trump was making the gender argument for them because of the "access hollywood" videotape, they didn't have to do that. >> they believe the same thing with latinos and african-americans. they're going to come out and vote against donald trump. >> you have to give people something to vote for. >> right. what they discovered was that non-college educated women went against them 2-1. they voted very much like their husbands. >> right. >> millennial women always believed -- there's going to be a woman president some day so it doesn't have to be this woman. >> yeah, that's exactly right. white millennial women did not come out. non-white women, in all categories, came out in droves for her. >> we've got it leave it there. another surprising result. one of the most unpredictable elections on record.
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latino vote on tuesday, 65% to trump's 29%, but her share of latino votes was less than president obama's in 2012. in florida more than 1/3 of latinos backed donald trump. randi kaye talked to them. >> reporter: at this popular cuban diner just outside orlando, latinos who voted for president-elect donald trump are holding their heads high. >> i'm so proud. i am puerto rican myself. i'm super proud to be able to vote for trump. >> it feels so much sweeter now that the silent majority has won. >> to me, it's a miracle. it's a miracle. >> thank you. >> reporter: cnn's exit polls showed 35% of latino voters in florida chose trump despite him painting some mexicans as criminals and rapists and regardless of his plan to build a wall and deport millions of illegal immigrants. >> i have a problem with people coming illegally. they need to tell us who they are. >> we don't want corruption to
come in here. we don't want drug traffickers. we don't want people bent on committing crimes. who doesn't want to get rid of those people? >> reporter: and about that wall at the southern border? >> i am very happy about the wall and i hope it does happen. i mean, you're going to come to my country, come here legally. if you don't like the way we are running things, then go back to where you belong. >> reporter: this millennial from cuba waited five years to get his u.s. citizenship. this was the first time he could vote in a presidential election and voted trump. >> reporter: so he talks about this deportation force. >> absolutely. >> reporter: deporting all these illegals. you're on board with that? >> they broke laws. now they have to face punishment for those laws. >> reporter: dr. juan torres who waited ten years to become a citizen does worry people he knows could be deported but -- >> the bottom line is that they broke the law. when i came to this country, i came through the front door. >> reporter: you think everyone should go through the front door as you say like you did. >> if you go to somebody's
house, you go through the front door. >> reporter: beyond immigration, these voters think trump will defeat isis. >> you start negotiating with terrorists, he wants to exterminate them and i agree with that 100%. >> reporter: he gets high marks on the economy and jobs, too. >> he is a businessman and that to me was very important because i am a businesswoman myself. i feel that he will grow this economy for sure, take us out of debt. >> latinos need to ask the number one thing they are concerned with is economy, jobs, and donald trump is a job creator. he was a job creator all his life. this is what he knows how to do. >> reporter: while they admit he's hardly the perfect candidate -- >> i don't personally love him. i'm not -- i'm not in love with trump. i'm in love with his ideas and what he has to offer for our country. >> reporter: they are quick to defend what others call derogatory comments about latinos and tweets like this one on cinco de mayo.
that's the president-elect eating a taco salad, the caption reads, i love hispanics. >> i would put my foot in my mouth also so we have to be compassionate to people and say, well, he's an average individual. >> reporter: anderson, what surprised me most about talking to the voters, how for giving they are to donald trump despite his insult to the latino community throughout the campaign. they basically explained it away that he's misunderstood, they love the fact that he isn't politically correct and they latched on to his campaign slogan make america great again. they fought to get here. many spent years waiting to get citizenship. they love this country, ander n anderson, and they believe he does too. >> randi kaye, thanks. what some african-american voters think about president-elect trump. [ cough ]
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some 8% of african-american voter supported donald trump, 88% voted for hillary clinton. we wanted to hear what some african-american voters in north carolina are thinking. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: in the heart of charlotte, carolina, in the midnight diner, many customers unsettled in the wee hours after election night when you heard the news donald trump won, what was the first thing that went through your mind? >> i was shocked. i was.
>> i feel hurt. it's a real bad feeling. >> i thought it was instagram joke. >> i was heartbroken because i said i don't trust trump. i believe he's the devil and he's not going to do right by minorities. >> reporter: a clinton campaign concern came true on election night. the great majority of african-americans sported hillary clinton over donald trump, but many of them, not as enthusiastic as they were for barack obama did not come out to vote. mercedes stroud did vote and cast her ballot for clinton, but knows many other african-american clinton supporters who did not go to the polls. >> those people that didn't vote, that could have been hillary winning. >> at the university of north carolina, charlotte, others who voted for clinton with similar stories. >> yes. almost all my family did not vote. >> reporter: do you wish more to encourage your family and friends who didn't vote. >> i wish i did more, especially
to encourage to wait in line. some of three hours long, especially on the last day of early voting the line was five hours long so keeping up that enthusiasm, i wish i did a little bit more to advocate for that. >> what does the presidential torch being passed from barack obama to donald trump mean for the legacy of the first after cap american president? do you think barack obama's legacy is hurt by the woman he wanted to become president losing to donald trump? >> i don't feel his legacy is hurt because barack obama had a great presidency and i feel like anything he left behind was great. >> reporter: back at the diner, some with similar sentiments. >> everything barack obama did, i think it will stand on its own. everything he did -- everything he accomplished. >> reporter: but others concerned about the legacy of a president they so admired. >> i did feel that was a slap in the face to obama because he was on the side of hillary clinton. >> and for her to made election day even more of a letdown.
gary tuchman, cnn charlotte, north carolina. joining me now is douglas brinkley, rosa parks biing on -- bi biographer. is that too soon to tell, written years later? >> it's written years later, but we can judge him as being successful right now, even though this is a below, hillary clinton's loss, i mean, he has a 54, 55% approval rating. by the time he does this transition well which he will and does his farewell address i think he'll be around 58%, 60%, leaving office. he's a two-term president. no major scandals, two supreme court justices, the killing of osama bin laden, and he's going to kind of grow in stature. i think people are going to miss him and we felt his greatness, i thought today with the way he dealt with donald trump with such civility and really was
america's president when we needed him today. >> historically, how crucial is that outgoing and incoming president working together? how much does personality, how much they actually like each other play into it? >> well, it's a big thing. each one you know like true man and eisenhower couldn't stand each other. ike got along with kennedy okay. nixon had almost a fetish of liking lyndon johnson. jimmy carter and ronald reagan couldn't stand each other. so it just all depends. obviously barack obama has no use for donald trump, but he is a student of nelson madell a's school of reconciliation. he knows what happened to john lewis at selma on the bridge when, he did the freedom march, a few years ago went back to alabama and hugged, anderson, the people that beat him, and that we have to heal sometime.
leonard cohen died a couple years ago, and he has a song called "anthem," and the light comes through the cracks in society through the song and barack obama brought a lot of light to american life right now the last few years and the death of leonard conhen is a nice nigt to reflect on what the eight years of the presidency meant. it's been positive for the country. >> you also have to take into account the incredible, you know, recession -- the economic situation that barack obama inherited as he entered office. that's something they think maybe you know memories are often short and one forgets what it was like eight years ago, but i think in the history books that'll certainly also be a big part of his legacy. >> giant. when you go to the obama presidential library in four or five years they'll be showing what it was like in the great recession when barack obama came
in, and the economy was in tatters, how hard he fought to get unemployment to the numbers it is now, 4.9%. he also wanted to below 5%. a museum like the obama library will show what it was really like for people, what the auto industry was like in detroit and he came in and saved general motors and mitt romney maybe lost the midwest when he said "let detroit die." people in ohio don't like detroit dying because that means losing jobs in youngs jtowyoung tol t toledo, or akron. it didn't pay off in florida, ohio, north carolina, at the end of the campaign trying to lift hillary clinton with them. alas it didn't work but the public admires the cut of his jib and he's going to come out just fine in history. >> douglas brifr blanketly, goo to you. we'll be right back.