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the streets around the nation for a second night in a tweet donald trump calls them professional protestors who are being very unfair to him. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. the president-elect takes control of the u.s. government, in 71 days. today, laying the groundwork in washington. president barack obama welcoming his successor to a historic meeting in the oval office today. >> i believe that it is important for all of us regardless of party and regardless of political preferences to now come together, work together, to deal with the many challenges that we face. >> after a trump on capitol hill meeting with republican leaders. we're going to start with anti-trump protestors voicing their anger at donald trump's election. dan simon is in oakland, california. ana cabrera is in denver for us. we're going to begin with you, ana. let's start with what's going on
there. what's happening where you are? what are protestors saying? what do they want? >> reporter: well, don, they want to make sure their voice is heard. they don't want to feel oppressed and they don't want to feel discriminated against. there are a lot of different groups that feel discriminated throughout the course of the campaign and they're now marching through downtown denver. thousands of people have come out this afternoon and well into the evening hours now. we've been going for about four hours alongside this protestors. it started at the state capitol. we're hearing the chants like "no justice, no peace", and we're also hearing a lot of other peaceful messages that are relating to other groups who are part of this crowd from the lgbt community, to women who want to express themselves and say there is not a place for sexism in our country, they -- we've heard from a lot of latinos in the crowd who are concerned about
the immigration rhetoric from donald trump. we've heard from black lives matter here. we've heard a lot of chants coming together trying to find a unified voice of acceptance and compassion. sh chantae carrying a sasaying "no my president" why do you feel this way? >> it's not the america i represent and i want to be a part of. >> reporter: what's the message? >> the people want to be heard. the popular vote wasn't listened to so we're on the streets trying to make sure we're being heard. >> what's the dpoel? >> i mean the goal is to get him out of there. the goal is to make sure that transpeople are protected that black people are protected that muslims are protected that women are protected, and that our voice is heard, because this -- exactly this is what democracy
looks like. >> shchante thank you for talki to us. we appreciate it. >> reporter: we've seen all walks of life among the kroucro tonight. >> thank you, ana. to oakland now, where dan simon is. what are you seeing there? >> i want to echo in terms of what ana was saying. you're hearing -- >> we can hear you, dan. go ahead, keep going. >> reporter: okay. i apologize, don. this is manuel carono. sing single father, taxpayer, undocumented -- >> all right. dan stand by. we'll get back to dan when he fixes that. i want to bring in white house correspondent, michelle k kosinski. what you can tell us? >> i mean, this meeting was
certainly not without its awkwardness, especially since one day prior at the white house there were staff members openly weeping. i mean, looking shell shocked. but this thing of the a different world today. everybody wanting to talk about reassurance and putting the best face forward and it was no different for donald trump and president obama. i mean sitting there -- you heard donald trump call president obama a very goodman, saying that he respects him. president obama didn't use those same words, but you have to consider these are two people that, in the prior weeks and months, donald trump called president obama incompetent, and very stupid, the founder of isis, president obama said that donald trump was not fit to hold that office and now here they are together talking about, at the very least, a way to move forward. listen. >> most of all, i want to
emphasize to you mr. president-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. >> i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counsel. he's kplexplained some of the difficulties, and some of the high-flying assets and some of the great things that have been achieved. it was a great honor being with you and i look forward to you being with you many, many more times in the future. >> thank you. >> this is the way that they reinforce unity in america, they tried to say this is going to be smooth going forward, be calm, everybody, this is how it's going to be. we're going to help each other make a smooth transition, but everybody also knows, you know, what was said out there, was
extremely and unprecedentedly cutting. there was a lot about this election that was obviously different. one of those things was pobz was on the trail so much and it was pretty interesting after this meeting to then be in the white house briefing and ask the white house what about all of those things president obama said and -- and the white house responded, you know, the president feels the same way. that he meant everything he said on the campaign trail. so they weren't going to back away from it, what they want to do is just look forward. even though the guerrilla in or room is donald trump wants to roll back pretty much all of pobz all policies but they wouldn't talk about that either. the sense they put out was what will be will be, but that was america's choice and now it's time to work on this transition in earnest, don. >> and michelle, what about the meetings that took place between
michelle obama and melania trump? >> there was a photo that came out of it. that's pretty much all we saw and it did look relaxed, like they were having a conversation. they had tea together, they went out on to the truman balcony and looked out at the lawn, and they toured the white house and they talked about what it's like to raise children there. >> all right. thank you very much, michelle, kosinsky. i want to bring in timothy neftali, and david swerdlick, assistant editor of the "washington post" and rebecca berg, national political reporter for real clear politics. what an interesting day, everyone. timothy, you first. we know that donald trump -- we know what he thought about today because he tweet today out tonight. here's what he said up on the screen, a fan of theic day in dc, met with president obama for the first time, really great
meeting. great chemistry. melania like the ms. o a lot. what's your reaction? >> first of all, both men -- donald trump looked as if he was in awe. look at him. it's at if he's thinking what -- that scene in the -- in the candidate saying what do i do next, and president obama is very serious. remember when trump started to talk about the rigged election, and everyone was saying you have to accept the results. well, there's two sizes to that and president obama understood he could not allow people to see him wobble or waffle, but he had t accept the result immediately. so what you had with him there is he was being very serious and basically telling donald trump, this is the job you're getting. at one point, donald trump gave the impression that president obama had talked to him about intelligence matters because he
talked about high-flying assets. it's clear the president talked to him about some serious foreign policy issues and i think that may shape trump's policies a little bit about the nature of the office he just won. >> he's the sitting president of the united states and has been so for two terms and know what is it's like to be in that office, and my -- here's david, i wonder if people realize when they're out there on that campaign trail, and they're up on that stage, do they realize that if i actually get that job, do i want people to play all of that juxtaposed to sitting -- pictures of me sitting in the oval office, or sitting in the room with what we saw today, if you had seen donald trump, sitting there with the president today and you run his word says that he has said over the campaign, the length of these months, is that befitting of where he was today? >> well, i -- in my view, look,
i'll put this way, don. president-elect donald trump said some ugly things on the campaign trail. there's no getting around that and i think that he's got some work to do if he's going to attempt to heal some of the divisions that he helped create on the campaign trail, but now that he's the president-elect, it was appropriate that he and president obama sat there and had this cordial sort of meeting of the minds and i'm glad tim, who is a presidentialistori his said he was in awe. that was my reaction. i was looking sitting next to president obama probably not agreeing with him on temperament and penalty and probably won't become golf buddies, but looking at president obama, who has been there for eight years who sits in the chair with full kmacomma of the offensive and trump saying, wow i need to step my game up, i'm about to be in
charge. >> wow, and this again -- not just saying donald trump, any -- any presidential candidate, i wonder if they think about that, like you know if they actually get to the office, you know, when they say your past can come back to haunt you. >> remember, don, this man, donald trump, has the least amount of experience, relg haven't experience of any -- any president-elect in modern history. so that office to him is much bigger and much stranger than it would have been for any of his predecessors. >> and rebecca a listen. he did win. he is the president-elect. the american people should give him a chance to govern because if he succeed says we succeed. he said quote i look forward to meeting with the president many, many, many more times in the future. do you think it will happen? >> i certainly think it's possible. president obama has reached out to former presidents while he's been in office.
he's become pretty good friends with the bush family. we saw that great picture of michelle obama hugging george w. bush at a recent event where they were altogether and of course they've been in touch with the clintons, as well during their administration and it helps when you're taking an office that you don't fully know and don't fully understand when you have questions -- >> there's one caveat though. there's one caveat. president bush and president obama never ran against each other. >> sure. >> so there was never a face-to-face conversation. now, surely, president obama said some things about president bush, getting into the economic turmoil and the depression and all of that and going to war, but they never had a chance to go head-to-head and really really combat each other. continue on, sorry. >> don't forget, don, president obama went head-to-head with hillary clinton and not only did he -- and president clinton pretty well insulted president
obama during that campaign. it was a really, really harsh campaign, really divisive for democrats and at the end, not only did they work together, but hillary clinton worked for president obama as secretary of state. ultimately, i think a lot of these people who do run for higher office do have this underlying sense, fundamental sense of patriotism, at the end of the day they do want to help the country if they can and that's what this is about. you -- do you agree with that? >> i think that presidents have two switches. one is the political self, and one is the presidential self. today you saw -- today you saw president obama's presidential self. he knows that as president he has to respect the constitution and the electoral college is in the constitution. he was political, barack obama, on the hustings, on the trail. by the nature of the constitution, he has to accept the result so president obama
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rye, congratulations of bte. very nice work. angela, black turnout down nationally from 13% in 2012, 12% in 2016. it's such a tight election year. did these numbers make a difference? >> they absolutely made a difference. the biggest difference that we've seen is white voter turnout, and who they voted for, it's been interesting to kind of watch this narrative over the last few days. they've said hillary clinton failed failed to motivate millennials and minorities and white people failed hillary clinton. i don't think it's about us at all and the real issue is i wonder how they expected black people to vote after voting for first black president in 2008 and 2012. >> and african american women voted overwhelmingly, still
wasn't enough. >> i think again that goes to the point we can continue to blame black voters but i could black voters are very clearly the most loyal voting base, not only in the democratic party, but period. black people turnout and i want to remind you, don lemon, this is not after spending a whole lot of resources in our communities. the cbc members that i've talked to have been very, very clear about the fact they have continually stated there aren't enough resources being poured into this election, and there aren't enough resources being targeted to our constituents and they said it through tuesday extended up being correct. >> what about mark leblack men, the men went for donald trump. do you regret voting in pen ben where the margin was 68,000? >> i voted my kansaconscious, id for the person who i wanted to
be president. i was a little surprised 13% of people voted for donald trump, given the misogyny, stoking racism. >> do you believe those polling numbers? >> i believe it was too high for lower than black women. i don't regret voting green because hillary clinton didn't present a platform or campaign that spoke to me. if she had done so i would have voted for her. there ultimately was a lack of resources on the ground as lang angly said. i hispanic voters were targeting florida, same thing in pennsylvania. they put their feet up in august. >> did you think she was going to win pennsylvania? >> i thought there was a chance. >> did you think your vote would even matter? >> of course i did. it was my vote. >> the problem is we like to shame people, into their -- into thinking they voted for the wrong person or if you don't vote this way, we're responsible. first of all the people who are
responsible for trump being president are the 50-plus million people. she didn't make herself an attractive candidate. that's the issue. >> i didn't want her to be president so i didn't vote. >> did you agree with that? >> yeah, obviously. i didn't vote for hillary clinton either or donald trump. i voted my conscious. >> and the republican. >> i'm a conservative and i couldn't cast a ballot for him for a number of reasons and i have enumerated over this network but it was interesting to see. i think you know to look at the numbers, hillary clinton had # 5% less, but it wasn't only the bl black vote. it was 5% less in the latino vote. i was shocked the gender gap wasn't larger. it was relatively the same this time around between -- >> according to this cnn exit polls, for what you're talking about -- >> yes. >> -- it was not only white men, it was white women. 53% of whom voted for trump.
even with all the controversial things why did so many women vote for him. >> i was shocked by that and it just speaks to what an awful candidate hillary clinton was. the whole historic value of the first female president went out the door a long time ago because she was so untrustworthy, the years of being the status quo. she represented the system and the bernie folks on the democrat side and obviously the republican side, the talk of the rigged system, i think hillary clinton represented that for those folks and they could not bring themselves to vote for her, as mark said she didn't speak to them, but in -- as far as the black vote is cash today did make a difference in places like wisconsin and milwaukee, where she's got 70,000 less votes than barack obama did, in detroit, which is 80% black, she got almost 125,000 less votes than barack obama did in 2012. those aren't small numbers and those are two states she lost. >> and some white women voted their race and not their gender.
they closed ranks around race and we just assume by being women they would vote differently given everything donald trump said but they appeal to white and white supremacy in this election. >> mark you're not -- >> hold on. you can give you the graphic -- maria i'm talking to the control room -- from 2008 to now, the number of people who voted. go ahead, angela. >> i was just going to mention. i think it's not only about them voting their race. there were also a ton of resources targeted -- >> look at the number of people who voted in 2008 democrat and republican, then and now. the entire electorate was down. they weren't inspired. >> trump -- >> 50% of the electorate did not vote. and if you look at the number of democrats down dramatically, even republicans are down, as well. this wasn't the sweep people have said. people were just apet thissheti
>> this wasn't just about hillary clinton being an unattractu unattractive candidate, as tara put it, this was also the timing of the release of this "access hollywood" tape. there were so many defendant factors and what i will say about hillary clinton that's positive, i know you may not agree, tara, i think the positive thing is this, this is. after all what was said and done she obtained 59 million vote. she still won the popular vote so there's a lot to be said about hillary clinton, whether you like her or not, she withstood director comey's involvement twice, she withstood being blamed for her husband's infidelity, she withstood she's wikileaks attacks. so the reality is, she's still very well resilient. >> she lost. >> let's talk about the consequences. >> won the popular vote. >> president barack obama gave a radio interview on the tom joyner show pleading for voters
to vote for hillary clinton. >> right now last tintino vote . overall vote is up, but the african-american vote right now is not as solid as it needs to be and i know there are a lot of people in barber shops and the beauty salons, in the neighborhoods who are saying to themselves, we love barack, we especially love michelle and -- so you know, it was exciting and now we're not excited as much and you know what, i need everybody to under that everything we've done is dependent on me being able to pass the baton to somebody who believes in the same things i believe in. right away, i guarantee big up michelle's garden -- >> that's messed up. >> sdh you think iyou think i'm.
>> no and your basketball court, too. >> and they would reverse all the work that's been done. >> so watching the president today with donald trump in the oval office, how do you think those black voters feel who stayed home now? >> why do we shame black people for being responsible -- >> i'm not shaming. i'm asking a question from the tom joyner morning show, the president of the united states is pleading plaqblack voters. black voter turnout is down. we made at this time point the people who voted for donald trump are the people who are responsible for getting him into office. i'm just asking the question. >> i feel you, not that i missed the intellectual times in the morning show -- >> that was shade. >> that was extra overshade. >> i was on the tom joyner show. >> he was shading you, don. >> he'll shade anybody. this is my point though. black people who stayed home,
stayed home for a reason. they weren't inspired to come to the polls. some people voted barack obama and it was the only election ever and they wanted blake guy to be president, but ultimately, most black voters wanted someone who resinated with their interest, their needs, their desires and their condition, and didn't do so, i wonder if they were home thinking, damn. >> where are they? >> could it be a portion of the black vote that was not thrilled with what barack obama's presidency represented for them. >> we'll continue. we'll be right back. american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.
so we're back with the panel. i want to talk about other things. people don't understand i have to get to the commercial breaks. i had to cut you off. you were saying? >> i was saying we may being taking for granted a constituency within the black community that may have liked barack obama, but felt whatever anemic economic recover we've had did not touch them. black household median was down, even angela, you worked for the
congressional black caucus, folks were saying if the economy looked this way with a white president we'd be marching in front of the white house. so that could continue -- >> i'm happy to e leb raelabora that. we were taking for granted who didn't feel hillary clinton was doing enough. barack obama didn't do enough and it didn't inspire them to go to the polls. 5% is a significant number. >> go ahead, angela. >> first we have to acknowledge where we were when congressman cleaver, the chair of the cvc, talked about marching on the white house. black unemployment was double digits. it's always been above the national averages since they've been recording. >> and to her point -- you may begetti begetting granular and inside baseball, but overall to people who are at home and they're not doing so well, maybe they weren't inspired by this candidate and people of color, maybe it's not enough to look
i'm not doing that well. >> or taken advantage of. they didn't put resources into -- >> i don't believe they did and we know republicans never do -- >> that's a different discussion, but i agree. >> i know, but what i will say that's most important is we deal with data, right? at some point we have to say electionings aren't always meant to inspire. elections aren't always meant to drive hope and change. some times you just have to be transactional and handle your business at the polls. this is about handling your business. do you really believe this man who was just elected president, who is tweeting about professional protestors is going to look out for your best interest in terms of jobs and the economy? double this man who wants to be the law and order candidate is going to ensure you're not stopped and risked and mass incarceration. >> there's another point and you have to be transactional. every candidate is not warm and fuzzy. you ain't got to love everybody you vote for. >> at all. >> there's short-term and long-term question. if you feel as democrats take
advantage of you and never accurately represent your interest and you've already decided republicans ain't nowhere near you want them to be, then sometimes you do a situation you vote green or a third or you don't vote at all. >> and people say that's why we have president trump for you. >> exactly. congratulations. congratulations. you lost. >> real quick, all i'm saying is that short-term move is what shifts the conversation. you want the parties to force candidates that are options in this. nfl quarterback collin capper neck ma kaepernick made a stance. now he's saying he did not vote in this critical election. he was blasted by steven a. smith who said he betrayed his cause. >> after all this noise that you made, even though you didn't intend to do so by offending our military service men and women, and pointing out about how you wanted to bring attention to racial injustices and beyond
this -- in this country, to turnaround and not to even take your behind to the polls to vote for a particular candidate, it is shameful. absolutely shameful. >> okay. the saying goes you don't vote, you don't get to complain. does this apply to kaepernick, do you think, angela? >> this is crazy. steven a. smith, i wonder if he even voted after all that hollering. here's my issue. there are two very separate points. colin kaepernick has every right to protest and kneel on the national anthem when he says this does not represent my interest. there is a third verse that talking about killing off slaves of which my ancestors were slaves and he has a right to separate voter -- choosing on disenfranchise himself as a voter of the i don't agree with that strategy, but i don't think that means he has to top protecting and protesting on behalf of black lives. i don't see those things --
>> i applaud steven a. smith. he was a little bit over the top, but that's him saying we don't want to hear from colin kaeperni kaepernick. i think what he did by not voting is a cowardly act. it's a cop out. >> he is. >> if you -- i can tell you. >> the ability that -- one of the most precious rights in this country is to vote. and if you -- >> absolutely. >> -- want to complain about things how oppressed -- he comes from california. he had an opportunity to vote for a black female senator which we have not heard. >> i agree. >> there were ballot initiatives that he could have voted for that i'm felt he felt were important like the death penalty, legalization of marijuana, so i'm sorry if you're going to complain from a millya millionaire in the greatest country, he should have made up his mind. >> i've got to go.
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looking at live pictures of a protest in denver. second night in a row since donald trump was declared president-elect. we've seen protests on the streets of major u.s. cities. peter bannon, lanny chin, former policy director, angela rye is with us and we are joined by former congressman jack kingston, senior advisor to the trump campaign. representative, first of all glan congratulations on your win and thank you for coming on tonight. >> don, thank you for being on your show. i think you provided a very good forum and it was an honor to be a part of it no matter what side you were on. it was a good process. >> we had should good challenges and i feel the way we handled the show is what you should do during a presidential election, especially when you're -- as we said during barack obama, vetting the candidate. i appreciate you coming on. >> yes. >> so representative, as you
look across the country last night and tonight at the protests, do you think they are premature at this point or understandable when you have a divided country? >> i think they're premature. i think they might be burning off a little post-campaign energy. but if you look at those protests on the streets, some of the vandalism that's gone with it, some of the slurs that have come out, and compare it to the tone of the barack obama, donald trump meeting, the michelle me the comments of trudonald trump 4:00 a.m. wednesday morning, i think you're seeing real leadership take place and i believe mergamerica's going to h that far more than the protests. >> i have to you've what you. he's saying now that the -- i don't know if you saw this latest tweet representative, that protestors are ensighted by the media. >> you know, i -- >> you probably say get off
twitter, mr. trump. >> i -- i think the media sometimes canna agitate these things and there's some angela, my friend, has already jumped on me and said this is all organic, but i would say that -- that they don't have the case right now. yes, she won the popular vote, but that's the way the constitution is set up. we go by the electoral college. he won fair and square. there wasn't large scale vote are fraud or intimidation or anything like that. they just don't have a case right now. it was a fair election, and they lost. and that's the way it works. >> he doesn't like the electoral college. hillary clinton doesn't either. she has spoken out against it, but in this case, it did help him, so i doubt he's going to complain about it. peter, what do you make of the protests? >> i think the protests are very understandable response from people who feel that we have a president who has done, you
know, extraordinarily racist things, who have called for banning an entire religion from entering the united states. if you're an american-muslim and you wake up after the election and you have a man who demonized you throughout the entire campaign and called for taking away very basic rights, the right to have an immigration system, which is blind to religion, you want to go into the streets, of course you should go into the streets. you should go and vandalize things or yell -- you know slurs at people, but it's the very -- it's the american right, and then the fact that donald trump then responds to that, by attacking those people and calling them wrongly to be professional, again, this is more evidence that he doesn't really respect free speech in the way that we'd want a president to. >> angela? >> i agree with peter. i think that the hard thing that we're asking people to do is to wake up the next day after the election or day two after the election and pretend like everything that happened on the campaign trail didn't exist. earlier today on brooke's show
we watch aid protest happening where a young lady wasn't even old enough to vote. she was crying and she -- it was a latina young lady from california saying she was worried about her parents being deported. these are very real concerned based on the promises that donald trump made to his supporters. one of the things that also happened today is at a school, kids chanting "build that wall" in a school cafeteria today. these are real concerns and donald trump -- >> let's play that. >> yeah. >> "build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall, build that wall." >> listen, lanny, kids do silly things. here's the question, there are millknow yours of americans, immigrants, muslims, jews, women, people with disabilities who are scared about what a trump presidency would mean to them. again not to diminish his win. these are american people who are concerned about that.
not only legislatively, but because of the angry tone that they feel that he set. to begin the healing process, should a president-elect trump address those fears? >> i think don, as president-elect, you know, clearly trump has to take a different posture. i think if you look at the meeting with the president today, if you look at some of the comments he's made publicly, even if you look at some of the substantive remarks that have come out about some of the meetings and phone calls that trump has had with foreign leaders, i think that in all of these different ways he is trying to turn the page, but you can't forget obviously a year and a half or two years of history. it's very difficult to simply say those things never happened because they d but you've got to and when do we give the president-elect the benefit of the doubt and i think at this point people should be allowed to protest and do what they want to do but at some point i think the president-elect deserves the benefit of the doubt. >> you should continue to fight
for your principles, but at some point you have to get behind the president -- you don't have to, but you have to give the man the benefit of the doubt in order for him to ggovern. we're going to continue our conversations and his meetings and we'll discuss right after the break. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.
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71 days until donald trump becomes the 45th president and has plenty of work to do until then. lonnie here is trump talking to republican congressional leaders earlier today. >> top three? >> don't have a lot. >> lonnie promised a lot of big policy changes in the first 100 days. can he make it happen? >> i think the fact he's talking about it and met with speaker ryan and leader mcconnell and all on the same page, good news. working on the transition for now, had a team in place for
several months. there's this notion they're trying to cobble things together but think they've been working on this. i think they have the right momentum in place and good people over there. at least for me personally, i do hope they're able to accomplish some of the things he said he'd do. particularly the conservative reform achievements which would be big league. >> should retire that. >> angela sometimes you see a president appoint someone from the op sate party to the cabinet. can you see that happening with donald trump? >> no. >> let me ask you why. >> come on. give him love. >> i don't think he cares about political parties that much. ran as republican. he had been a democrat before and independent. i don't think he has that much concern about political parties. you don't think appoint from the other side? >> maybe independent. i think his memory is very long.
hasn't demonstrated a propensity to foreive. i was just joking with smurngs he hasn't got to twitter yet and sure enough undid all the presidential things he did earlier in the day. when you talk about his appointments, one major flag i have is someone like sheriff clark would be considered as homeland security secretary? someone i see as if he's not a terrorist in fighting terrorism, it's hard to imagine if he would consider a democrat or left leaning or independent, hard to see how to interface with that administration. i'm not sure at this point who would go into trump administration with any type of progressive values and priorities. >> i've had my differences with sheriff clark on just the facts but -- as presented but calling him a terrorist. >> inciting terrorism.
encouraging people to get pitchforks and torches is a little much. and today calling these protesters out of line being whiney babies not willing to accept results. really not fair, parsing of words and to be honest with you, there are black people in milwaukee would say to you he is very much like a terrorist. if people are afraid of him and the policies of the space which he represents, i think it's terrorism. >> you can oppose his policies but to call someone a terrorist is strong language. representative kingston. if donald trump appoints old political heads like chris christie, newt gingrich, rudy guiliani, to the cabinet, how is that draining the swamp? especially with three people in new jersey indicted and possibly going to prison. how is that a change? how is that not the establishment? >> first of all on the people
indicted on the bridge situation, most of them have said that chris christie did not know about it. but let's talk about that on another date maybe. >> they testified that they did and president elect trump even said that he did. >> well he is not in any trouble for it. i have read testimony that said they didn't. but want to talk about it another time. your question actually is about the establishment. and while those three men have been part of the political process for a long time, they've also gone against the establishment. i've known newt gingrich for many years and i can promise when he ran for speaker, introduced the contract with america, s washington establishment was absolutely horrified. rudy guiliani had support from democrats because he had a huge independent streak.
same with chris christie, but as i looked around the room on tuesday night, in the war room and ball, i didn't see the usual washington political class there. frankly as someone who has been involved in this, usually the same people, different candidate. this was a different crowd. independent businessmen. friend from georgia came up because enthusiastic. >> i have to go. i'm sorry. i know kevin jackson. see some of you next hour. thank you. be right back. and can you explain to me why
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