tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 11, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
thanks for joining us for the second hour of "360," as protesters take to the street for a third night in opposition to president-elect trump. he's given his first television interview. here's a clip that's just been released from his interview with leslie stahl that's going to air on "60 minutes" this sunday. >> let me ask you about obamacare, which you say you're
going to repeal and replace. when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> you're going to keep that? >> also with the children living with their parents for an extended period, we're going to very much try to keep that. >> you're going to keep that? >> it adds cost, but it's very much something we're going to try to keep. >> and there's going to be a period, if you repeal it, and before you replace it, when millions of people could lose -- >> we're going to do it simultaneously. it will be just fine. that's what i do. i do a good job. you know, i know how to do this stuff. we're going to repeal it and replace it. and we're not going to have a two-day period and we're not going to have a two-year period where there's nothing. it will be repealed and replaced and we'll know. and it will be great health care for much less money. >> hillary called you. tell us about that phone call. >> so, hillary called and it was a lovely call. and it was a tough call for her. i mean, i can imagine.
tougher for her than it would have been for me. and for me, it would have been very, very difficult. she couldn't have been nicer. she just said, congratulations, donald. well done. and i said, i want to thank you very much. you were a great competitor. she's very strong and very smart. >> what about bill clinton? did you talk to him? >> he called the next day. >> what did he say? >> actually called last night. >> what did he say? >> and he couldn't have been more gracious. he said it was an amazing run. one of the most amazing he's ever seen. >> he said that? >> he was very, very, really very nice. >> you know, you said that you might call president obama for advice. would you think of calling president clinton for advice? >> well, he's a very talented guy. both of them. i mean, this is a very talented family. certainly, i would certainly think about that. >> that's one of the many developments today in president-elect trump's emerging administration, including his
transition team. for all of that, let's go to our jim acosta in washington. first of all, this obamacare news, a bit of a shift for a candidate who spent a lot of time saying just repeal and replace obamacare. what do we know this idea of amending instead of repealing and replacing? >> right, anderson, it's impossible to count the number of times donald trump promised to repeal obamacare, to get rid of obamacare, because he said it so many times out tonight campaign trail. this is a pretty interesting shift, we're going to have to find out just how far he's willing to go. it sounds like, anderson, what he wants to do is allow people with pre-existing condition to keep their health insurance and not be discriminated against by the insurance companies, but the problem with that, anderson, is that if they do away with the insurance mandate, which requires people to buy health insurance, you take away the funding mechanism that pays for all of those people to have health insurance, with pre-existing conditions. and so, as they get into the nitty-gritty of governing, they're going to find out this is going to be difficult. by the way, anderson, if donald trump is going to start backing
away from repealing obamacare, he's going to have a lot of trouble with people on the right here in washington. he's been talking about draining the swamp. he may find himself in the swamp with conservatives, if he backs off that campaign promise. it is one of the key promises from his presidential campaign. >> first decisions he's got to make are staffing. what are your sources telling you about the transition team? chris christie's no longer running it. we know that. >> right. he's no longer running it. it's now the vice president-elect, mike pence, who was the chair of the transition team. chris christie's not out. he is now a vice chair, but he's sharing that role with rudy giuliani, newt gingrich, ben carson, mike flynn, the retired lieutenant general, and so on. so his role has been diminished. in fact, the executive director of the transition team was also a christie aide. that person is out. the new director of the transition team is former aide to senator jeff sessions who is one of the vice chairs.
what was going on there, anderson, a couple of things, one is the bridgegate scandal that is still unfolding and there was a development in that case right before the election. so this eliminates that headache by moving chris christie into the more secondary role. the other thing that was happening inside the transition team, and it's very interesting, christie was running into a lot of flack from people inside the transition who did not want to hire those never-trumpers. those anti-trump republicans, who did not back donald trump during the presidential campaign. chris christie was making the argument that, hey, wait a minute, we've got to fill the government here. there are some republicans in this town who are well worth hiring. and he was just running into a lot of resistance on that front. i talked to a transition source earlier today who said, hey, wait a minute, i supported donald trump the whole way. why should this never-trumper get my job? so it was getting complicated. >> jim acosta, thanks. perhaps the person who can make the most impact in a trump presidency, other than trump himself, is the chief of staff. the two men who are said to be leading contenders are reince priebus and steve bannon, who ran breitbart.com.
dana bash has more. >> reporter: on election night, the person trump praised more than anyone else was reince priebus. >> i'll tell you, reince is really a star. and he is the hardest working guy. and in a certain way, i did this -- reince, come up here. where is reince? get over here, reince. boy oh, boy oh, boy. it's about time you did this, reince. >> even surrendering his victory speech microphone to priebus. amazing guy. our partnership with the rnc was so important to the success in what we've done. >> it is true that the rnc had more influence over trump's campaign than any in recent history. priebus started to build ground operations in voter files in key states, three years ago, which trump used and benefited from big-time. >> we spent the last four years building a nationwide ground game. >> reporter: in the last few
months to have trump's campaign, priebus personally played an outsized role, from helping lead debate prep, to traveling extensively to help keep trump focused and disciplined. >> we're so honored to be working with donald trump. >> reporter: those pushing for priebus say he's the ideal chief of staff for several reasons. he can organize the white house and be a good gatekeeper, crucial traits for that job. and they point to the relationships that he has with republicans, who run capitol hill, especially house speaker paul ryan, a longtime close friend from wisconsin. priebus even brokered their first meeting this spring. >> do you feel like a couple's therapist? >> no, you know what, you wouldn't say that if you were in the room. >> reporter: but those very bonds that priebus has with gop leaders gives trump pause. they didn't want trump to be president. and though priebus often acted
as a go-between during the campaign, which ultimately helped trump, sources close to the president-elect say that he isn't 100% sure priebus the loyal. >> and when you're a star, they let you do it. >> reporter: especially since as party chair, priebus had to publicly criticize trump more than once. when the "access hollywood" tape came out, he said, quote, no woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner, ever. another contender for chief of staff, steve bannon, was always a steadfast trump loyalist. he came from breitbart, a conservative publication that spends as much time attacking establishment republicans as democrats. >> what we need to do is bitch-slap the republican party and get those guys heeding too. and if we have to, we'll take it over. >> bannon became the third campaign manager and immediately had the candidate's ear. although he sometimes fed trump's worst instincts, sources say he also had enough credibility with the candidate to convince him not to send damaging tweets or retaliate against critics in a way that will distract from his core message. for that reason, even if bannon
is not chief of staff, trump sources say to expect in some capacity, he will be around a w. dana bash, cnn, washington. >> and back with the panel. joining us tonight, jonathan, christine quinn, jeffrey lord, and andre bauer. both men obviously very different. they come from different, i don't know if it's wings, necessarily, of the republican party, but different sort of vantage points. how do you see each contributor? >> again with the caveat that i don't know, that ultimately it will be one or the other. it's a personal choice, something that didn't come up in the transition talks to date that were held prior to the election. reince priebus, as dana said, is, you know, an establishment guy. he's close to movement conservatives like mike pence and like paul ryan. that will set up a certain wing of government that would be heavily involved in helping a president who's new to washington figure things out.
>> which is something, by the way, trump always said he wanted from his vice president, which he's gotten with mike pence. >> exactly, exactly. and look, mike pence turned out to be, i think, the perfect choice for him in a lot of ways. pence pushed very heavily by paul manafort and a bunch of other people during the summer, that he was sort of a low-key option. and you're seeing why. in terms of steve bannon, yes, bannon has a connection to the alt-right movement. he's a bomb thrower and has been a vocal opponent of paul ryan. but bannon is a much shrewder player than people realize. he's much better at knowing when to balance certain impulses against the others. but he was very good at managing trump. and if he had a strong support structure underneath him in terms of management, i actually think that he would get more done than people realize. he would be opposed, i think, to making clear deals with the current republican-held congress, the leadership there, but if there were changes, i think you would see him moving along. >> jeffrey, you worked in the reagan white house, why is chief of staff such a critical role?
>> this is the person that makes the trains run on time. and to me the critical thing that i learned there is the chief of staff, people like ken baker, howard baker, ken dubstein understood that the operative word in the title is the last one, "staff." you are not the deputy president. you are not supposed to be out there saying, hey, look over here. so whoever gets the job, i was in the white house when donna regan was there. and alas, he turned out not so well. >> and mrs. reagan did not like him. >> mrs. reagan did not like him. she hung up on him on one occasion. and when we got to iran contra, among other things, he said he feels like the guy who sweeps up behind the elephants in the parade and sweeps up the mess. that did not go down with her, either. but he was introduced, when we would have sessions in the east room --
>> so what do you think bannon versus priebus offer? i mean, bannon seems to have donald trump's ear and has been able to -- >> which is important. which is very important. you have to have the president's confidence. and the president has to believe that you are being loyal to him. >> and loyalty is, that seems, andre, one of the critical things to donald trump. if we know anything about donald trump, he prizes loyalty. a lot of people work for the trump organization and have worked for a long time, i think about michael cohen and hope hicks, who have been with him for a long time. and it seems like that's, you know, people who got with him early in this campaign and stuck with him through thick and thin. >> and kellyanne conway seemed like a great pick to me. thought she did an excellent job in the campaign. she understands him. i think his temperament got better when she came in the campaign. so i can't give her enough high marks. >> and she also had people talk about her as a spokesperson, as the white house spokesperson, because although she was campaign manager, she was also in a sense chief spokesperson and did a very effective job of
representing him. do you have a -- i don't know, do you -- >> i don't have a favorite. i'm thinking of him. and you want the president to be well served. and that's his judgment and his call and if he's happy with whomever then, good. >> we're going to have more with our panel. we want to bring our democrats in on the next panel, as well. well take a quick break and continue to look at protests around the country. we'll get new audio from hillary clinton talking to her supporters and volunteers. we'll talk about what happened to hillary clinton when donald trump pledged to be the president for all americans. he had many wondering just how he'd bring people together. some of the voters you'd expect to be most skeptical were already on board. we'll talk with one woman, a muslim, an immigrant who voted for donald trump. her reasons why, she'll tell you, ahead. ew job, or fill a big order
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total called for a total and complete shutdown, a temporary one, for all muslims entering the statement, until we could, quote, figure out what was going on, end quote. last summer he lashed out at the parents of a slain muslim soldier. both of these incidents lost trump the support of a lot of muslim voters, but not all. she wrote in part, quote, this is my confession and explanation. i, a 51-year-old muslim and an immigrant woman of color and one of those silent voters for donald trump, i'm not a bigot, racist, chauvinist or white supremacist. she joins me tonight. so, asra, explain why you voted for donald trump? what made you choose him over secretary clinton? >> the condition of my life has not improved over the last eight years. i'm a lifelong democrat, a lifelong liberal, i believe in progressive values. so i wanted a new opportunity
for change. what i hope will happen, most importantly for me, as a muslim, that we will deal honestly, without obfuscation on the issue of islamic extremism. that's been my greatest disappointment over the last eight years. we've been doing this dance. and i know that people have a lot of well-intentioned arguments for why they believe that muslims are better protected by not talking about the islam and islam extremism, but i believe that we have to confront the issue honestly and directly, and i saw in donald trump's national security solutions a clarity on that point that is to me, very important. >> i understand that in hearing that secretary clinton, that the clinton foundation had received money from, you know, qatar or saudi arabia, that that also made a big impact on you. >> it did. you know, anderson, i believe in the feminist movement, that is the pantsuit revolution.
i want to see a woman as the chief executive as the united states of america. but at the same time, i don't want to compromise on values that are really important to me. and the governments of qatar and saudi arabia, to me, as a muslim, represent the darkest interpretation of islam that's out there in the world. and they represent a denial of progressive values. that's my moral consistency. and when i saw that first memo that showed the documentation of money from the governments of qatar and saudi arabia to the clinton foundation, i was so distressed. what really killed it for me, though, was the e-mail from secretary clinton to her aide, john podesta, acknowledging that the governments of qatar and saudi arabia are funding and financing and importing the islamic state and other radical muslim groups. that's the kind of honesty i want to see in policy. and unfortunately, for whatever reason, i haven't seen that
delivered in the democratic platform on solving this issue of terrorism in our world today. >> when -- obviously, you know, we've talked to a number of muslim americans who express fear about donald trump, about some of the rhetoric that came up during the campaign, particularly the idea that, initially, that donald trump seemed to have of banning muslims from coming into the united -- a temporary ban, he called it, on muslims coming into the united states, until they figure out what the heck was going on. he seemed to have kind of morphed that into bans on people from areas where there is islamic terrorism. did that concern you at all? because the argument on that was if you -- not only is that un-american, to ban people based on a religion, but it actually alienates the very people who we should be trying to bring closer, in order to fight radical islam, islamic terrorism. >> you know, anderson, i've watched you go from the streets
of orlando to paris, in the wake of this blood that has been spilled in the name of islamic extremism. and it breaks my heart that we don't deal clearly and honestly with this problem that confronts us, by thinking that we are protecting muslims by not talking about it. that is the propaganda movement of the government that want us to avoid a conversation on ideology. qatar and saudi arabia don't want us to talk about islam, because if we do, it indicts the islam that they practice. >> asra nomarami, i appreciate you being on the program tonight and talking about the way you see it and what influenced your vote and i urge everybody to read your piece and we'll put a link on your website. >> thank you, anderson, and thank you for having an open heart and an open mind to all these ideas. >> it's great to get people from all different walks of life and different perspectives.
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there is more breaking tonight in the third straight night of anti-trump protests. we're getting word of hillary clinton speaking with campaign supporters and staffers saying, these have been very, very tough days. let's listen to the audio. >> hello, everyone. i really appreciate you being on this call, so that i can tell you one more time how grateful i am to each and every one of you. i saw many of you on the campaign trail. you were knocking on doors, in the snow, in iowa and new hampshire, and you were part of our final sprint this fall. and in so many ways, you are the heart and soul of our campaign and being your candidate has
been one of the greatest honors of my life. i have to say that as volunteers, you didn't just talk about the values we share, you really embodied them. you made sure that our kpab was as hopeful, inclusive, and big-hearted as the america that we believe in and that we set out to build together. you left it all on the field, every single one of you and the relationships you've formed, the connections you made, i hope will prove to be of lasting significance to you and i think will make a difference for years to come. your work mattered and i believe it still matters. look, i'm not going to sugar coat it, these have been very, very tough days. >> and we're back with our panel tonight.
let's talk a little bit about -- there's been some talk today, "the new york times" reporting that -- maggie, that after secretary clinton described after of trump supporters as deplorables, that she realized that she had stepped in it. that that was a big mistake. she had come out later and said, well, it's not half, but, still, that was clearly a dumb thing to say. >> yeah, i think that she made a very identity politics argument throughout the campaign. she talked a lot more about a sum of various parts than she did about a more cohesive economic argument. coherently during the primary about bernie sanders, and lost that. she ran an identity-driven politics campaign and so did donald trump and his won. i don't think it was one isolated thing with clinton. i think it was the totality of a lot of different things. i do think the letter hurt her, but i think the incident where she was sick and how she dealt with it when she had pneumonia during the 9/11 memorial was an issue. and i think that, you know, i in
speeches for a year and a half before getting into the race. i was reminded after she lost by three democratic strategists that i had said in 2013, that i didn't see how she was going to be president doing what she was doing. and i completely forgotten i had said all of that, because the field was totally cleared for her. >> it's also, the decision to make those speeches, she said at the time, that she didn't know she was going to run for president, which is, that's hard to believe. they've known she was going to run for president for quite some time. >> i got some blowback from someone close to her team today who said, no, she didn't know what she was doing. but i know that as i was going through the reporting i was doing at the time, which was a lot of preparation work, certainly by the people around her, who were at minimum preserving her options and knew what they were doing, you can see in the podesta e-mails. and to be clear, that was a tremendous breach of privacy, it was awful, i would imagine, for anybody, but it does make clear
how much stuff was going on, at the same time they were telling reporters it wasn't. >> christina, in a call to donors, they blamed comey. it obviously had some sort of an impact, but in the end, isn't it all about the candidate. you can have, there's plenty of people who work their hearts out trying to bolster her as best they could. but in the end, don't voters make a choice based on the candidate? >> well, i think voters -- look, on any campaign, win or lose, and i say this as a former candidate, the buck stops with the candidate. that is the reality. and hillary knows that as well as anybody, having won and having lost. but that said, i think there's never one thing in a campaign. it's the whole buildup and the whole way the campaign operated. did director comey's letter help two weeks out? absolutely not. absolutely not. and it was most impactful, because i felt like at that moment in the campaign, we had
some wind at our back. and i think even the trump people would admit now that it's over, on that moment, we were kind of on the upswing. and that really stopped that upswing and made people answer questions that had already been litigated. >> jonathan, you were a bernie sanders supporter early on. >> yeah. two things i would say, breaking news, don't trust the fbi. i learned that back, you know, when martin luther was spied on, what the fbi does in politics is spy on people, they're doing illegal things. breaking news both to republicans, who didn't like comey first and to democrats, don't trust the fbi. >> totally. >> that said, look, i -- and i want to say this lightly, because i know the pain is still there for many democrats who supported hillary clinton, she was a terrible candidate. she was not a good candidate on the road and she was not that good candidate to talk to the people, because -- and the polls showed it, she was not well liked, the question of honesty, whether people trusted her, was over the top. we knew that going into this campaign.
when you ask maggie about the paid speeches, people out there in middle america, in the rust belt, in places where donald trump went and talked about trade issues, for example, when you say to someone, you got paid $225 million to speak to goldman sachs, that blew people's mind and that stuck. >> jeffrey, there's reporting that bill clinton wanted the campaign to spend more time focusing on the rust belt states and rural areas. a lot of these things, the comey letters, all that stuff, it probably had a big impact because it reaffirmed people's -- the beliefs people already had and the dislikes people already had about hillary clinton. >> yeah, i keep going back, anderson, last year, when we were on your show, there was a quinnipiac poll that -- where voters gave their impressions and she was said to be dishonest or a liar. every single one of the stories we've talked to fed that image as you went along. and that report about bill
clinton, if you can say nothing else about president clinton, he is one smart political, you know, strategist. and why they didn't listen to him is beyond me. one of the reasons that i thought from the beginning that donald trump could win is i thought, exactly, he could carry pennsylvania. >> but she didn't motivate part of her base. they didn't get excited about her. and donald trump said that there are people coming out, the brexit, same thing, people aren't picking up on it, but there's going to be a crowd of people showing up that aren't coming out in polling. and she wasn't able to turn out part of her key course. and that was the difference. >> i think there's often a zeal at the end of a campaign to make the person who lost the race into everything about their campaign and everything about that person wrong. now that's simply not accurate ever, and it's not in this case. let's remember, the country was split. neither was going to win overwhelmingly. did secretary clinton as a candidate have problems?
absolutely. but she was also -- and this is kind of irrefutable, the most accomplished, prepared, ready to be president person who has ever run. and i think although we can say all these negative things about her, it's important to note, she ran, she worked hard, and took a risk to make history. >> which is not helpful to the democratic party to think about the future, to not recognize the deep flaws in the way this campaign was conducted. and respectfully, in the candidate that was pushed under. >> i want to thank everyone on the panel. "build the wall" was a staple chant, but for those being threatened to be deported to the other side of it, life is now a waiting game. we'll have that story, next. for the holidays. before his mom earned 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ dinosaur growls ] and his dad earned 2% back at grocery stores and wholesale clubs.
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for a third night, we're seeing anti-trump protests in a number of cities. people taking to the streets, voicing their concerns over a trump presidency. since his victory, there have also been reports of alleged intimidation and some other incidents, from trump supporters. i talked about it with univision
anchor, jorge ramos. >> she emboldened many groups, that right now are expressing their hate and dislike of minorities. when he said during the campaign that mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, words are important, words matter, words have consequences. and what we're seeing right now is exactly that. if there's a headline for the hispanic community right now, it would be fear. fear of hate. fear of reprisals, fear of, you know, i just saw a video from a michigan school, in which some teenagers were chanting, build the wall. i mean, that language comes from donald trump and the problem is that so far, donald trump hasn't denounced that. and that's their problem. >> monica langley of the "wall street journal," i spoke to her earlier today. she interviewed donald trump and she asked him whether he thought his rhetoric went too far during the campaign, and his response was simply, no, i won. >> well, he's responsible for his words. we have now a president-elect
who made racist comments when he was running for the white house. we have a candidate who made sexist remarks during the campaign. so i think he's responsible for that. and not only that, i think he has emboldened many groups. before the election, many people were saying things in their homes that were private, that were politically incorrect for a reason. and now exactly that kind of language is what we're hearing. and after the election, many people think it is okay to say those things. and it is not. it is simply, it is not. >> there is fear that trump will fulfill some of his promises he made on the campaign, immigration issues, and the y that he'll pull the plug on president obama's executive action that helps people who came to the united states as children. >> reporter: since election day, omar cruz says that walking in downtown chicago brings
about painful emotions. the trump tower, he says, a tall symbol of his fear of deportation. >> that fear is constant. and the trump tower is a reminder that could happen at any moment. >> cruz is a college student, studying neurosciences, but he was 8 years old when he was brought to the united states illegally, settling in chicago. he lived in the shadows until president obama granted him and hundreds of thousands of other dreamers or young undocumented people brought to the u.s. as children temporary work permits through executive action. >> i look very much forward to being your president. >> reporter: but now, under president-elect donald trump, all cruz can think about is trump's promise to deport all undocumented immigrants, and the divisive rhetoric he used during the campaign. and he points to this moment in particular on the first day of trump's campaign. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> reporter: why are you afraid?
>> i am afraid, because we have all been labeled -- well, from my culture, the mexican culture, we have been labeled as rapists, drug dealer, and killers. and that's something that we're not. >> reporter: cruz says he's been intimidated near trump tower by trump supporters, wearing make america great again hats. >> but when they looked at me, they gave me a really mean look. and that stood with me. and it told me right away that just because i'm mexican and undocumented, they already see me as less than them. >> cruz joined the anti-trump protests in chicago. and says he's speaking out for all the undocumented immigrants, and estimated 11 million people, many, who are paralyzed with fear. >> i have heard some of my friends' parents who say, well, trump won, i might as well leave now, not only because they want to leave with dignity, but because they live in fear of being deported or being attacked, verbally, physically, or anything, just because of who they are.
>> reporter: not cruz. he and his family want to stay in america and are ready to speak out and find common ground with trump supporters. >> pretty sure we can find some common ground. because we're all people and humans who all feel and want to pursue happiness. >> rosa flores joins us now from chicago. i understand some of the dreamers you talked are worried because they provided addresses when they got their work permits. >> reporter: absolutely, anderson. they provided their names, their addresses, other personal information to the federal government. and so the fear now is, is that a president-elect donald trump, who has promised to deport all undocumented people, will simply take those files and start a deportation spree. now, i should add that i have talked to dreamers across the country and some of them are taking these fears and putting them into action. you're seeing them on the streets across the country protesting, because many say they're ready to put up a fight to stay in this country, because this is only country they know.
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president-elect trump made a lot of promises on the campaign trail. the question is what can he accomplish? item one on trump's to-do list could will be the plan that launched his presidency. >> we're going to build a wall folks. >> and he could continue work on sections of such a wall, which has already been going on for years on the u.s.-mexico border. but expanding farther for a complete wall would require more money and congressional approval. item two, deportation. >> day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone. >> in recent months, he suggested he's not going to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants, but only some two million whom he says have committed serious crimes and yes he can send them home without getting congress involved if he can find them.
item three, trade. >> at the center of my jobs plan we'll be fixing our terrible trade deals. >> his election and the republican sweep of congress has already killed hopes for the transpacific partnership, which president obama wanted. and mr. trump can pull the u.s. out of nafta, although it's not clear what the economic impact would be and legal challenges are sure to follow. item four. >> the repeal and replace obamacare. fully repeal obamacare. >> this will be tricky at best, and he certainly can't do it alone. true, republicans hold 51 seats in the senate, but as the rules stand now, that is well short of the 60 needed to overcome a democratic filibuster. he can chew away at key portions of the program by cutting funding but he said he'd also replace parts of obamacare, although he's not fully answered the question with what.
item five. >> we need a special prosecutor to look into hillary clinton. >> he can make such an appointment and his staff suggests the possibility remains on the table, it's just not clear if he will do it. item six. >> a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition. >> again, the complete repercussions are unclear. but he has the power if he wants to follow through. and lastly, what about banning all muslims from entering the united states. over the past few days, that idea has disappeared and reappeared on the trump website. but running mate mike pence says that plan has pretty much been abandoned. anderson? >> all right, tom, thank you very much. joining me are cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash and gloria borger. >> one of the things president-elect trump can do unilaterally on day one is undo
all of president obama's 28 executive orders. do you think he's likely to undo them right away or try to focus certain ones or just working on it over time? >> i think he's likely to focus on immigration right away. he'll get more bang for the buck on that because actually, he has a lot of authority when it comes to immigration. he can spread -- you know he can speed up deportations, for example. he can revoke, you know, programs that protect dreamers right now, and i think given his policy on immigration, those are certain things that he might want to do right away. he can also change the visa programs with executive orders so i think he'll probably go right ahead and do that on immigration. he can't build the wall right away, so at least he can do this. >> and dana, on opposition to something like nafta, donald trump spoke very clearly about his opposition during the campaign trail. he could get rid of that,
couldn't he? >> he could. technically, the president, the executive branch, has the ability to do that. by the terms of nafta, one of the signatories -- or any of the signatories, i should say, has to give the other countries six months heads up and the country can technically pull out. it would be a lot easier if he had congress to go along with him because there are other -- there are specific provisions that have been added that have had congressional approval it's been through legislation. so some of it will be much more difficult for him to unravel without congress. but big picture, when it comes to being a member of nafta, of that treaty, he could do it. he could take -- he could back out on his own. >> and gloria, in terms of healthcare, talking to "the wall street journal," telling them obamacare will be amended or repealed and replaced, that's -- i mean all on the campaign trail, he always talked about
repeal and replace. the amending is slightly different. regardless, he's got to work with congress on that one. that was going to take time. >> he does. we didn't hear a lot of amending. we heard a lot of repealing and replacing, and i think what was interesting about this was this apparently came out of a conversation he had with the president when he met with him yesterday and the president pointed out, look, under obamacare, people with preexisting conditions cannot be denied healthcare. you can't take your adult children off of healthcare, and i think that's what donald trump was referring to when he said he talked about the president's great achievements. i should point out that no bill that is pending in congress takes away these two things because politically, that would be so difficult. so while it was sort of surprising to hear it from donald trump today, in congress, they're kind of saying, yeah, we would not do that any way. >> even on the campaign trail, donald trump was talking about whatever he came up within terms of healthcare, he would want to
continue to cover preexisting conditions. >> right. dana, i mean, gloria referenced the wall earlier, that's probably the most famous policy position, one of the earliest. would he have to -- in terms of doing that, it would take time, but what would he have to do to get that done or get it started? >> there actually is a law -- a couple of laws on the books. congress has passed legislation saying that there should be a wall or a fence, so he can technically start, but he needs a lot of things to go along with it. first of all, money, and assuming that mexico will not pay for the wall, he's got to have the appropriations process, meaning congress, which holds the purse strings, pass legislation to fund it. that's going to be a difficult task. also, you have environmental questions, and regulations he's going to have to go through because having to build that wall cross the whole border.
potentially native american land that he's going to have to deal with. not to mention eminent domain, which is always an issue which you're dealing with something -- building anything, but particularly something that goes across the entire southern border. so the answer again is technically, yes. practically, it's a lot more difficult. >> a lot to look forward to. dana, gloria, thanks very much. and there's more news ahead. we'll be right back.
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and that's it for us. thank you for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news, you're looking at live pictures now, protests across the country with 70 days to go until donald trump takes the oath of office. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump tower, just a few blocks away on fifth on avenue, a fortress, meanwhile, after running on his promise to repeal and replace obamacare, the president-elect says maybe he'll keep up some of it after all. >> and shake up on team trump. vice president-elect mike pence takes the lead role on the transition team, chris christie relegated to sharing the number two spot with senator jeff sessions. a lot to get