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. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news with a third night of protest, how will donald trump handle a divided america? live pictures from dallas and portland, oregon. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. some surprises today from team trump. chris christie loses his lead transition real to mike pence. meanwhile, trump's children will take transition roles as former never trumpers submit resumes
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for jobs with the new administration. i will get to cnn political commentator, david swerlick, and bob, you first. good evening. let's start with the protest breaking out over the country now. does donald trump need to address the anger evident after such a nasty campaign? >> i think he does to some degree. i mean he's got a big challenge. he has to unify this country after a very nasty election, and that would have been the same challenge hillary clinton would have faced. so i do think he needs to address it not in the way he addressed it in the tweet last night and then they had a subsequent tweet. that doesn't mean this is going to solve the problem, but i do think he needs to address it and have a very calm, unifying type of voice. and, honestly, don, i mean he's said the right things most of the time since he has been elected. his speech where he thanked hillary clinton, his meeting with barack obama.
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obama said the right things. hillary clinton said the right things in her concession speech. but that doesn't mean that people are not going to be upset. >> david, do you remember, you know, this sort of reminds me of barack obama's race speech, where he disavowed himself from the church and talk about race. there's no doubt white supremacists have attached themselves to trump's campaign. should he give a speech about hate and spell out where he stands on that like barack obama had to do on race? >> yes, he should give a race speech. i don't think one speech will do it. look, trump won the election. president-elect trump won the election fair and square. he is going to be the next president, but it doesn't erase what he said about the judge. it doesn't erase the fact that at one time going back a few years he was the public face of the birther movement. it doesn't erase things he said about muslims or other groups in this campaign. so it won't -- one speech won't solve the problem, but if he
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wants to lead the whole country, as i agree with bob, he has said the right things in the last two or three days. if he wants to lead the whole country, he has to start with a peach and move from there, demonstrating to people he is going to try to unify and not divide people as he did at times on the campaign trail. >> show of hands. no, i'm kidding. do you think he'll do it, david? >> i don't know if he'll come out and give a speech like president obama's philadelphia speech that you were referring to, the more perfect union speech in early 2008. but i think that we'll see what he says on "60 minutes" on sunday. we will see what he starts saying during the transition. you know, maybe he'll wait until his first state of the union in january, but he's got to do something, and he does have to start backing off of these tweets that he occasionally still lets fly where he, you know, blames people for their anger and frustration. people are angry and frustrated and, you know, you showed those pictures of people protesting in the streets. as long as it's peaceful, people have a right to express that frustration.
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>> you can't blame those people for their anger and frustration. >> no. >> and not blame the supporters for their anger and frustration as well. >> yeah. >> they express their anger and frustration in a different way in the democratic process, but both are ways you can express it within our democracy. bob, do you think he'll do it? >> you know, i don't think he's going to do it any time soon. i agree with david that it might be his first address to congress. but, you know, the race issue is one that has frustrated president obama. and donald trump, there's no easy answer. i think donald trump is going to have to address it multiple times, and i do think that there's a lot of fear out there after this very nasty election, and i do think he has to calm the country. i think his tone has been good generally speaking since he won, and i think he needs to keep that up. >> okay. bob, let's talk about this transition. there's palace intrigue already among trump's top lieutenants.
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how do you see it playing out? >> well, i think the biggest one is chief of staff, and it looks like it is either reince priebus or steve bannon. if you think, okay, who is -- who is trump closer to, i think you would probably have to pick bannon. but as far as working with congress, priebus is probably the better pick, and that's the pick that paul ryan and mitch mcconnell want. but this is very important, and i think it is very interesting now mike pence is playing this leading role. mike pence is a washington creature, and in a way that's a good thing. he served about a decade in the house and he knows washington. donald trump is not a washington creature. i think he needs people around him who are d.c. insiders. they know how washington works. >> it doesn't necessarily mean they should be his chief of staff. he can have advisers around him. >> that's right, without a doubt. >> so he can be comfortable. >> can be a big role, whether chief of staff or not. >> david, there are so many top-level people on the transition team as well as
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trump's three eldest children. is it unusual and a recipe for discord? >> well, i think donald trump is getting a lot of different opinions from a lot of different sources. i've talked to some of my sources close to chris christie, close to ben carson, and i'm getting different answers depending on who i talk to. you know, going back to this whole thing about whether it is going to be reince priebus or steve bannon as chief of staff, or maybe someone else, some other name will emerge at the last minute, i do agree with bob that it will make a big difference in how the administration is run depending on how, if you have someone with washington experience in that role or someone without that experience. steve bannon is a smart guy, harvard mba, made some money in the finance world, made some money off of -- he has a little small piece of "seinfeld" royalties, of all things. he knows what he's doing, but he doesn't have government
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experience. the president-elect never held elected office before. you are taking a gamble when you bring in some of the outside folks. everyone says they don't want politicians, but politicians know how to do politics. >> let's pick the picture back up of the transition team, because i'm wondering. chris christie is on there, rudy giuliani is on there. you know, newt gingrich. that's a whole lot of washington insiders for someone who says he is going to change washington and drain the swamp. jeff sessions is on there. you know, what happened, bob, with chris christie? >> well, you have to think that bridgegate and the recent trial and convictions of his aides have to have some type of impact. it is not a good image. you are trying to drain the swamp and then you have that. remember, chris christie was almost picked for vp beings and that could have cost trump the
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election had he gone in this direction. i think he wants some distance between he and chrissy, but it doesn't mean christie won't play a prominent role or get a decent position. i don't think it will be attorney general or a high level position like that. >> thank you, general. hillary clinton's stunning loss to donald trump throwing her party into turmoil. john garmendi of california here to discuss. let's talk about this. david, who managed the campaign wrote a piece in the "new york times" saying he got the race dead wrong, and a combination of several factors lead to this stunning upset. he has quite a few, but among then democratic turnout was very weak. trump's rural urban margins off the charts. it was a change that the election third parties, james comey changed the election here. of all of those, is there any particular one that you really think turned this election?
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i think they are all responsible for the loss, but i think the comey thing was the final piece that tipped the scale away from hillary. she probably would have won without that. it would have been very, very close because of all of those other factors that were there, but clearly the middle class, the working men and women were very, very upset by more than 25 years of being left out of progress. they deserve change. hillary spoke to that but didn't speak to that in an emotional way that addressed their emotions. certainly trump did and in doing so i think created a huge problem for the nation going forward. he basically said it is them against us, and that is a divisive way in wish of which to present the issue of those that were left out of the economic progress. we have to go forward. we have to put in place a very positive message, and in your earlier conversation i think mr.
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trump or president-elect trump has an enormous responsibility to heal a very serious divide that he created in this -- in our nation, and that is the issue of sectarian, muslim versus us, the issue of race. h hispanics, first thing out of his mouth was to take on, i don't know, 20% of the population of the united states, the hispanic population, putting them in a very, very difficult and dangerous situation. so he's got to speak to this. if he's on the sunday shows, he needs to look directly into the camera and say, listen, we're all-americans, whether you're a muslim, whether you're black, whether you are hispanic, whatever you may be, you're an american and you count. you're an important part of our nation. he must do that because there is a fire burning in our country right now and it is not just those protesters out there. it is in the classrooms. we see it there. the children listened. they listened to 20 months of
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bullying, 20 months of race baiting, and he's got to put it straight. it is his responsibility, and we also have the responsibility also to speak to this issue and to look for the better angels in our lives. >> if you listen to his surrogates and the people in his campaign and even him, he has told me several times that he is the least racist person, he's not racist, not homophobic, not misogynistic. do you think he understands the rhetoric on the campaign trail are causing the fear that is running through maybe half of the country right now? do you think he even realizes that or cares? >> well, i hope and pray that he does. i hope and pray that he does understand that it was his rhetoric, the way in which he ran his campaign, the words that he used. i guess today in a "wall street journal" interview he was asked about this, and i guess the question was something along the lines, do you think it was a mistake. and he said, i won. well, it is more than winning. now you will be the president, mr. trump. you will be the president of all
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of us, and you've got to put this right. you've got to get behind this because it is serious. in the classrooms here in california, and we've seen some other classrooms across the nation, there is fear. there is fear among the hispanics that they, even though they've been here for generations, have been targeted. certainly the african-americans and muslims, all of this. he's got to put it behind him just as george w. bush did at 9/11, go into a mosque and saying it is not the muslims in our country. we are all-americans. trump absolutely has to do this, and we have a responsibility also to speak to this and to denounce bullying and to put all of this aside because it is a real problem. the children listened, they listened to 20 months of very, very negative campaigning. and hillary did her share of it also, but trump is now president-elect and he has a very, very important responsibility. >> yeah. let's hope he can do it and
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let's hope we can do our part as well. thank you, congressman. >> absolutely, we must. >> appreciate it. >> sure. >> when we come back, america divided. are the elites out of touch? is middle america in the bubble? what will it take for us to move on? ♪ like? naughty or nice? calm or bright? but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number. don't miss the semi-annual sale, going on now. sleepiq technology tells you how you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! give the gift of amazing sleep. only at a sleep number store, right now save $500 on the queencse mattress with sleepiq technology. plus 36 months special financing. know better sleep with sleep number. whythen get worse?nks taste chalky? introducing protein shots from 5-hour energy. protein shots from 5-hour energy are smooth and tasty, and still deliver 21 grams of protein with 100 calories. they're great for workouts, no matter how you work out...
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p donald trump becomes president in 70 days because he won the electoral college, but hillary clinton's winning the popular vote, which is still being counted, by more than 400,000 votes. what will it take for donald trump to lead a divided nation. bring in cnn's martin savage. you have been talking to voters in ohio all week. what are they saying? >> reporter: these were the voters of course that voted for trump. we found in many of the counties, in ohio, they went solidly red this time around. what you found really is the same thing we've been hearing, which is change. this is what the voters said they voted for, they wanted change. they wanted real change, they didn't want to hear a politician promise change. they wanted somebody who was not a politician who was going to deliver their kind of change, which was basically what they want to shake washington up and, in fact, listen to this one voter who we talked to who sort
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of put it into perspective as to which came first, the kind of chicken and egg thing. take a listen. >> yes, send a message to congress or whoever, to washington that, you know, we're ready for a change. >> reporter: and was donald trump the change or did he happen to come along at a time people were really -- >> he came along at the time when people were just fed up. >> reporter: in other words it was the conditions and not so much the candidate that brought about the phenomenon that occurred with this past election. people in the middle class in the areas that we were talking said they have seen a steady erosion financially. they've seen the big factories close of course, they've seen the businesses close, they've seen their salaries decline, and they feel sort of being in middle america they're the ones paying for everything? they paid for bank bail outs with taxes. they help support the poor with their taxes.
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obamacare isn't working out for them, they have to pay more and more for that, and on top of that they have a dysfunctional washington as they see it. it was a classic they're mad and not going to take it anymore. hillary clinton to them didn't represent any kind of change. she's been a politician for decades they felt. there was only one person on the ticket who really they think can bring change, but they admit it is a gamble. they voted anyway. >> marty, i know there's a helicopter flying over, i hope you can hear me. do they think that he can deliver on all of the promises he made, build the wall, bring back jobs and so on? >> reporter: no, they don't. and they interpret those promises in a lot of different ways. for instance, every person we talked to about what do you think of that wall? they all laugh. they laugh as if the wall is actually just code speak. he was never going to make that wall, we never thought he was going to make that wall, it is not practical to make the wall. the wall became reinforcing the borders, that's what that is all about.
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they really don't think bricks and mortar will be used. bring back the jobs. they said, what, ford is going to open a huge factory in east lake and hire 5,000 people? no. but they believe donald trump can create an economic environment where small businesses, lots and lots of small businesses with maybe 100 employees could begin to grow and be more prolific around the area. so they sort of take what donald said not literally, but sort of inspirationally. >> yeah. >> reporter: we did not hear people rebroadcast his messages of hate or talk about division. it was all primarily focused on the economy and how to make america great again. >> it is interesting because i wonder how they feel when he says he will put a big, beautiful door in it, if they thought that was, you know, not little as well. but, police en,listen, i want t do they understand, because they were angry and voted as such, voted on the issues, do they understand there's the other part of the country, there's
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half of the country possibly who are also fearful as well? do they see the people out in the streets in protest? what do they think of that? >> reporter: the protests they are not happy about because they say, wait a minute, first of all you haven't given donald trump, president-elect donald trump any chance whatsoever yet. it is disrespectful they say to the office. they also say it is disrespectful to the vote, that this was a democratically carried out election. there was no stealing of the vote here, and they say why are people out on the streets? after all, they will point and say does anyone remember the riots that broke out by republicans when president obama was elected? and, of course, that didn't happen. you didn't have conservative it going into the streets. so they say, look, we would have been just as disappointed and just as upset if hillary clinton had been elected. >> yeah. >> reporter: but they say they would not be in the streets protesting about it. and they also think that all of these protests are organized.
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they think that someone is paying and orchestrating all of this. it is a conspiracy theory, or so it sounds. they say the signs are the same in all of the different cities, the kmants achants are the same different cities, and the people seem to be saying the same thing. they think it is all just organized by some miss tear you power, maybe the democrats. >> i saw your great reporting last night and that question about where the republicans didn't riot back in 2008, but to their question, it is apples and oranges. it wasn't -- barack obama did not use divisive language that donald trump used on the campaign trail against americans in order to be elected. and so i don't think that that question, you know, really fits with that. anyway, i have to move on. thank you very much. i appreciate that, martin savage. when we come back, do americans understand how the other half lives? if he did, would he be able to move forward as a country? "credit karma, why are you checking your credit score?"
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this i promise will be a fascinating conversation so i hope you pay attention. when donald trump takes the oath of office on january 20th, he will become president of a deeply divided nation. let's discuss with b.j. roark, with daily beast. selena zito. let's start with you, patrick, because you wrote a piece in roll call with a pro vok tick thesis. you said more americans -- i'm sorry, the real bubble isn't the coast, it is rural america. now, before everyone gets mad at patrick, he's the rural -- what is it? how do you say this county, explain your tack on this? >> well, you know, a lot of people saying that it is the people on the coast, they need to get out of their bubbles and they need to see more of america to understand why people voted for trump. but a lot of people saying that
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themselves actually live on the coast, and they actually haven't been that much in rural america. the county i come from is 97% white. the high school i went to had 950 students in it. two of them were asian, one was hispanic. we had zero muslim students. had zero non-white teachers. i actually had more teachers growing up that were sexual predators than were actually non-whites. so when people say this, i don't think they realize that there are many people who live in a white bubble, that don't know anybody other than themselves. and so what you're going to end up with then is they're saying, well, i didn't vote for donald trump because i'm a bigot or racist, and i believe that. these people that voted for donald trump, most of them are not that. but what they have to realize is they have endorsed donald trump's bigotry and racism. they have endorsed when he says that mexicans are rapists, when he says mexicans are criminals. they have endorsed the fact donald trump says black people are living in hell. and the reason why they don't
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understand why it is so -- this can be so harmful to so many minorities is because a lot of people in rural america actually do not know any -- they may not know many of them personally. so they don't have the same framework and concept, the reason why this might be so offensive. i have heard from a lot of different people all over the united states saying, you know, it sounds like you went to the same high school i went to, you know, from ohio, from michigan, from indiana. i actually heard from people in britain, australia, rural canada, all saying the same things, that they grew up in incredibly, incredibly -- a bubble area. >> and just a point of clarification. you said that there are more sexual predators than there are people of color, not to make the comparison between the two but making a distinction -- >> as saying as teachers in my high school. >> yeah. >> so that, you know, i was somebody who went k-12 and never once had a black or hispanic teacher. >> i hear that from people who moved to new york city, moved to other cities saying, i'd never
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seen a black person until i was out of high school or i was in college or i came to -- or a person of color until i came to another city. let me read this. this is another part of your piece. you said, more americans need to see more of the united states. they need to shake hands with a muslim or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian or attend a lecture by a female business executive. i have friends and acquaint antss who are trump supporters. they genuinely do not understand today's shock, particularly from minorities. they do not understand many minorities of people that voted for trump embrace his bigotry, those voters care more about sending a message to the political establishment than they do with the rights and welfare of human beings. selena, that said, you spent months traveling in the heartland, talking to trump supporters and writing about their strength of support. why do you say that people living on the coast are the ones in the bubble? >> well, i read the article and i thought it was really interesting. the part i take -- some -- i take issue with a couple of the points, but one of the most
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important thing is that he said that the people in the middle of the country don't, you know, get out and they're the ones that live in the bubble. i mean they understand. it is on their television. it is in their advertising. they go and travel to new york. they love to go to new york and spend their tourist money, the same with washington d.c. i think we need to bridge the gap between both. i think that's really important. >> selena, it is different than living among people and going to school with them, having them over for dinner, maybe having one as a family member, maybe dating one, marrying one. >> oh, okay. >> that's different than, you say watching it on television. i watched "beverly hillbillies" "lost in space" or "the brady bunch" but i didn't know them. >> that was the point i was telling you i was taking issue with. i mean people live where they live, and i don't know they should necessarily be punished
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because that's where people settle. and i did not -- i really have to contest that people, this was -- that they thought their vote was hurting someone else. i don't think anyone ever thought that. i think that they were voting for change, and that's all that they were considering. >> okay. p.j., you are our card carrying member of the elite. who do you think is in the bubble? >> i am? >> is it -- i don't know. is it all of us? who is in the bubble here? >> yeah, i think we're all in the bubble, or maybe -- i wouldn't say bubble. what i would say is big top. we're in this political circus, and i think it is about time we left off with the voter shaming and started to regard this as what it fundamentally is, which is ridiculous. politics is a ridiculous enterprise, and if you depend upon politics for the good things in life, this is the kind of outcome you can get. i mean, you know, i voted for
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hillary because it was kind of a -- it was kind of a grim civic duty, sort of like jury duty kind of thing. but i've got to say i was rooting for both to lose, so i'm half happy. now i'm really enjoying watching this guy trying to get out of the clown shoes, get the red nose off his face, doff the fright wig, scrub off the grease paint and try to be a ring master. this is going to be very entertaining. i know it has the possibility of being kind of a grim kind of entertaining, but we are in for quite a show. >> yeah. p.j., republicans now control all of the halls of power in washington from the white house to capitol hill to supreme court, and often that doesn't work out so well for a party. what do you think will happen with this? >> oh, it will be a disaster. you know, they really had it coming, and i would actually say
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the same thing, of course, if the democrats were in the same position, which they were early in the first term of obama. we don't have real political parties in america. we have these vague tendencies and sort of a vague tendency to make the government big he so it will make things better, or a vague tendency to make government smaller because it will make things less worse. none of the parties are cohesive. once they come to power, it is going to be another great show under the big top watching the republicans attempt to govern instead of just criticize and make mock and pile into the tiny car and, you know, smash into the budget. yeah, it will be a disaster but, you know, i'm a news guy. i'm in the disaster business. fortunately for me, my job is to have a ring side seat. my job is not to clean up after the elephants.
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>> yeah. he is selena, i've got to ask you, having traveled the country and, you know, looking at both bubbles so to speak, you know, the folks in the midwest or in the rest of the country not on the coast, in the big cities, and the folks in the bubbles in the big city, what do you do? everyone says you got to keep talking, to know each other, to have a conversation, but what is the reality here? >> the reality is we need more cultural touchdowns that connect us together. i don't know how we start to approach that, but i think that that's -- that should be the blueprint of how we get back together. i mean if you look 30 years ago, everybody watched walter cronkite. everybody watched "lost in space" and "beverly hillbillies." now we have a very diverse -- you know, all kinds of ways to get our entertainment. i mean one of the things that keeps us together, you know, there can be a guy in columbus, ohio and a guy in new york city, and they're going to root for
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the same team. they're going to root for the browns. so we have ways that we can pull together, and i think we need to start to working towards those kinds of things that pull us together. >> and maybe the president-elect can help us do that. thank you, panel. i appreciate it. have a good weekend. when we come right back, hate on campus. a shocking incident at the university of pennsylvania. are black students being targeted? ♪ ought i married an italian. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. he looks a little bit like me, yes. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com
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. hillary clinton telling her campaign volunteers the days since she lost the election have been very tough. here to discuss reverend william barber, president of the north carolina naacp. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> dr. barber, we spoke a number of times before the election. you were fighting hard in north carolina for hillary clinton. she lost that state. what is your reaction to that and all that has happened since? >> well, certainly i think that we have to be terribly disappointed in the way in which this election has gone forth. we cannot play or dismiss the level of racism or race or hatred that donald trump touched, the wound that he
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opened up. we cannot act like it is an anomaly in american society. i spent some time in the past few days reading about rutherford b. hayes who lost the popular vote but was given the electoral college in 1877 if he would agree to roll back, maybe a part of rolling back the forward progress of african-americans. by 18 -- and by 1883, you had the end of the civil rights act that had been passed in 1875. the same thing with richard nixon. you know, donald trump started this campaign questioning the president's birth, his identity, his personhood really, and also claiming he was the most ignorant president ever. those were all racial dog whistles and code words. so we end up with a campaign where the person who wins the popular vote does not win the electoral college. people say the country is divided, but america has always struggled with this divide, and you have this hyperracism,
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hyperracist sensitivity that president obama's election meant for a lot of people. i often thought, don, what is it that president obama did? saying things are so bad. he brought 14 million jobs back. tried to give poor people, mostly white, healthcare. he wanted to raise the living wage. he tried to be respectful. what is it that's so bad? it is for some, is that his election represented an inversion of a white hierarchy that some people cannot get over and trump played into that. >> and part of that is that he has the wrong letter behind his name. he doesn't have an r, he has a d. that's just pure politics. but, you know, your assessment is your assessment on the other thing. we also heard today about an incident at the university of pennsylvania where many black freshmen students were added to a group me social media text called n word lynching. we have a picture of the group text and a picture that was on this page of a lynching.
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what is your reaverage shon to that? >> well, again, this election has sewn -- it has not brought racism, it has increased it. i want to -- and it is not just trump. i mean you go back to when newt gingrich called the president the food stamp president. you look at how we have had policy over the last eight years trying to block everything, the racialized nature of the policy. think about it, don. we are sitting in a country refusing to fix the voting rights act. that in itself should tell us where we are in terms of our racial attitude. and you had the same thing happen at duke before the election. you've had a school where students were hollering, build a wall, build a wall. you know, this rhetoric, this blaming people, taking people's fears, their economic fears, their racial fear and offering them fear, not answers, just offering them fear of the other, fear of this one is dangerous. what you see then is you get the
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out pouring of the kinds of things you are seeing at this university in pennsylvania and other places. and it will not be stopped by trump just doing one speech. >> that's not to say -- i have to say this because we don't know who is behind this, but the understanding at this point is it was a group who was created somewhere in oklahoma, and that's according to philadelphia enquirer. two students associated with the group me account have facebook pages indicating one is a student at the university of oklahoma while the other is enrolled at oklahoma state university. so we don't know very much about it, but the students interviewed at upenn say they feel it is related to election and they're concerned about it. in the last days donald trump said he wants to work with all-americans. he has been somewhat -- his tone has been -- he's toned it down. do you support him now? do you want him to succeed? >> well, you always want a president to succeed. somebody asked me could you congratulate him. i said as a pastor -- and i'm only talking now as a pastor and
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from a faith perspective, you know, prophets didn't go around congratulating kings, they counselled them, and they counselled them to do justice, to love mercy, to take care of the least of these. i would counsel him to not only back off the rhetoric because tone is not the issue. you can be quiet like paul wrien and support policies with great racial overtones. the issue is when he gets in office is he going to take health care from 20 million people and three million african-americans? is he going back to the policies that brought the great recession and harmed african-americans and poor wliets? is he going to continue to say elections are rigged and not fix the voting rights act? that's the issue, not so much tone. tone is an important piece, words. but the issue is, is he going to bring brightbart and that kind of mentality into the oval office and not just give it a place on the internet but a place in the oval office?
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>> and we'll figure that out in 70 days. thank you very much, reverend. we appreciate you. >> thank you. >> when we come back, the democrats take african-american voters for granted? what will it take to heal the divide?
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is there a split between african-american voters and the democratic party? here to discuss now hawk newsome, president of black lives matter of greater new york and frank leon roberts, professor at new york university where he teaches the nation's first-ever course on black lives matter. what is it called, black lives matter syllabus, right? >> yes. >> thank you for joining us. do you feel the democratic party has betrayed african-americans and why didn't they come out to support clinton? >> i think the african-americans are pretty much fed up with the they revolted. they came out and said, i ain't voting until black lives matter. the bottom line is hillary clinton did not take any substantial steps to gain the black vote. people are dying in the street, black people are living in
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crisis, and that's our need. she didn't do anything to meet that need. >> she got 94% of black women, 13% of black men went for him. why is that? >> realistically she has die-hard, they have loyalists, and then you have the people who are in the streets, who are of the streets, who are not caught up in the rhetoric of our so-called leaders who lead us to the ballots blindly. so those who did show up, you know, they showed up in favor of her. >> so the people are out now, you see the protests on the streets and, you know, what people would like to say is that, oh, these are all hillary clinton supporters. they're not all hillary clinton supporters. they're all democrats, they're not all democrats. many are, but most say they are protesting the presidency of donald trump rather than, you know, the policies of the democratic party or with hillary clinton. do you think that they are now saying, oh, my gosh, maybe we should have voted for her, we have donald trump in office and
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he's the devil we don't know? >> well, i think, don, you know, mind sight is always 20/20. i think the fact of the matter is many black voters, as said, many black voters thought it was morally impermissible to vote for a candidate with a history of referring to african-american constituencies as super predators, and the clinton's relationship to the mass incarceration. they felt it was their moral obligation to speak out. now if we want to be honest, it is actually not the african-american communities ultimately that led to the trump presidency. we know that, as you said, 94% of black women, 13% of black men, it was ultimately the white electorate that essentially pushed trump over the top. the black electorate showed up for hillary clinton, even if it was only to show up to vote against trump, and that's now how we got there. >> what they're saying is they didn't show up to the levels they showed up for barack obama and in previous elections, and had they shown up and there hadn't been protest voting or people sitting at home because the margins were really close,
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that obama coalition would have put hillary clinton over the edge. the question is would you rather have someone who said super predator 20 years ago apologized for it, than someone who said -- who did not apologize for the central park five and thought they should be, you know -- >> here is the thing, don. hillary clinton and the dnc more broadly made a series of severe miscalculations about the american electorate. they made a decision to abandon the progressive wing of the party, including what is essentially a rising militant black progressive left. that was their decision. hillary clinton had an opportunity to select a vp candidate that could reflect the demographic diversity of the democratic party. she could have gone with julian castro or cory booker or elizabeth warren. instead she went with a candidate that in no way reflect the demographic or ideological diversity. what i'm saying is all of these issues together are a perfect storm.
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>> not to energize people? >> exactly. >> and if i may, hillary clinton said super predator 20 years ago, but her agents still perpetuated that same mindset. the fact that she didn't grant jurisdiction over police brutality claims or accusations of excessive force to the federal government, to federal prosecutors, to the fbi to investigate, what she gave us in return was shows. like we're not tap dancing sambos. the young black person is woke, we are conscious. we were not shocked when the results of the election came out. the people who were shocked were the ones that ignored us out in the streets screaming, black lives matter for years. >> thank you, guys. thank you, frank. i appreciate you coming on. we will be right back.
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>> my hero is the equine therapeutic riding program and we work with special needs children. i'm a very lucky man to be able to do that. i met a little girl, nonverbal, deaf, wondering what she would be like on a horse. i said to the grandmother, how about if we bring her out to the farm and let me see what she'd do on a horse. i brought her out here and put her on a pony and she lit up like a candle. i said, this is what i wanted to do. these children come to me with all kinds of disabilities, verbal and nonverbal. they gain so much from doing something that other children don't do that they can do. when the children are on a horse, you can't tell they're disabled. they ride like anybody else. these children come to me every day with open arms and i love every one of them. this is their farm as much as it is mine.
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