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civilians will wind up dead and severely injured in the process. will ripley, thanks for that report. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." amanpour is next for our international viewers. "newsroom with brooke baldwin" starts right now. wolf, thank you so much. good to be with you on this monday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. after months and months of hearing about candidate donald trump, americans now getting their first in-depth glimpse at trump, the president-elect. and many are saying, hang on a second, these two aren't necessarily matching up. trump appears to be softening on certain key issues that were at the core of his message, his campaign, promises so many supporters are expecting him to live up to, to deliver on. here is some of what he shared on cbs's "60 minutes". >> are you really going to build a wall? >> yes. >> they're talking about a fence
in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas i would. >> what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of undocumented immigrants? >> what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, could even be 3 million, we're getting them out of our country. >> you called her crooked hillary. said you wanted to get her in jail. your people in your audiences kept saying, lock them up. >> she did some bad things. >> i know. but a special prosecutor? >> i don't want to hurt them. i don't want to hurt them. they're good people. >> when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> you're going to keep that? >> also with the children living with their parents for an extended, we're going to -- >> you're going to keep that? >> -- very much try and keep that in.
>> let's start there. cnn special correspondent jamie joins me, washington bureau chief for washington globe, gloria borges and jeffrey toobin. there was a lot in that interview. glor, yeah first on what we played, did you hear -- i'm choosing my words very carefully -- a softening of -- softening, walking back, you fill in the blank, you know, these key campaign promises. >> you mean the alternate universe donald trump, is that what you're talking about? >> sure. >> it's different. well, this is -- on the campaign trail, donald trump was black and white. that was it. he was going to lock her up. he was going to repeal and replace obamacare. he was going to build a wall with a big, beautiful door in it. not a fence. a big, beautiful door in it. >> that's right. >> and what we are seeing -- although, i must say, on the campaign trail towards the end of the campaign, he softened a
bit on pre-existing conditions and keeping your adult children on your health care plan and he did soften on the muslim ban. but this is a different donald trump. and i think it opens a window onto what he might do. this is somebody who has now discovered that he likes barack obama, and that hillary clinton can be graceful when she called him. and i think one thing i've been thinking about, and i'm wondering what the rest of our panel thinks, but is -- if you were an ardent donald trump supporter who wanted to lock her up, would this matter to you, or did you as a donald trump supporter not really care about the specifics but just want him to make your life better and bring back jobs and raise your wage? >> i think that is the question. and i'm reminded that peter quote from "at the lantic" in september, i'm paraphrasing, saying, you media are taking it
far too seriously, his supporters, figure atively, don parse every piece of his language. let me play more sound. this is about perhaps overturning roe v. wade or same-sex marriage. >> if it ever were overturned, it would go back to the states. so, it would go back to the states. >> some women won't be able to get an abortion. >> no, it will go back to the states. >> by state -- well -- >> it will perhaps -- it will have to go to another state. >> do you support marriage equality? >> it's irrelevant because it was settled in the supreme court. it's done. >> so, even if you appoint a judge that -- >> it's done. you have -- these cases have gone to the supreme court. they've been settled. and i think -- and i'm fine with that. >> jeffrey toobin, again, on the softening, he never said -- and i've played it back a few times. he never said, yes, i will overturn roe v. wade.
>> but, you know, put me in the no-softening camp. i don't buy this whole softening hypothesis. i think he'll appoint someone to overturn roe v. wade. in terms it of same-sex marriage, it is settled in the supreme court. there's no way for a state to challenge that ban. that ban is gone. politically, there is not a big movement to reinstate the ban on same-sex marriage. in terms of ending obamacare, in terms of building a fence, in terms of getting millions of people out of the country, i don't see any softening at all. rhetorically you could argue he's sounding a little different. in terms of prosecution of hillary clinton, he's not ruling out a prosecution of hillary clinton. i mean, donald trump -- you know, one of the things we miss about politicians, i think, is that they believe in their campaign promises. and by and large, they keep their campaign promises. and i see every sign that that
is what donald trump is going to do. >> matt, what do you see? do you see wiggle room? do you see softening? in one breath he says maybe, maybe not to roe v. wade and now no same-sex marriage, that's an established law. how do you read this man? >> i think for so long it's been hard to read donald trump because idea canologically he doesn't have a specific core he believes in one thing. you see that over his lifetime, even in -- >> he was democrat for years. >> yeah, he was a democrat. he donated to democrats. he sort of does whatever is useful at that period of time. so, i think what you saw over the course of his campaign is sort of the -- the first part of his deal, laying out his own terms. but all of that is almost always negotiable to donald trump. so, you're sort of seeing, after meeting with president obama, donald trump emerges, you know, kind of walking more toward president obama's position. you know, so i think that we're going to see over time kind of an ability to deal or an ability to try to come to some sort of
deal, which is frustrating probably to his supporters and probably to people who try to pin him down and figure out exactly what he thinks and how come that's different from what he campaigned on. >> so, the big piece of the news is now we know some names, right? we know reince priebus, will be the staff of chief. steve bannon will be trump's -- he's getting back lash from bannon who was tied to white nationalist. when you look at breitbart, which he ran, some headlines include would you rather your child had feminism or cancer. so, on the bannon pick and also on priebus, what are your establishment republican sources telling you? >> no surprise. they are happy about reince priebus. they are not so happy about steve bannon. they have really hoped -- i spoke to a half dozen people over the weekend. and they hoped that bannon would
go off, make money, do something else. what about trump tv? anything else. they knew that he was going to stay as a voice in trump's ear. but they hoped he wouldn't have -- and also when the announcement came out, he was listed first on the announcement. and they were equal partners. >> so, where's the softening there? also, reince priebus, this guy, his whole job for the past five years, or however it's been, has been to attack democrats. so, that's not exactly -- >> i know, i know. glor, yeah let me pivot to you. what do these names -- you have reince priebus on one side, steve bannon on the other. what does that tell you about how he'll govern and softening or not. >> i want to know who reports to donald trump directly. and i think both of these people will. and i think that could create a bit of a problem. there's only one chief of staff in the white house and that's the person who, you know, is the
first person to meet with the president in the morning, last person to see him at night, controls the flow into the oval office, tells the president what's the top thing on his agenda. and i think steve bannon will be the person who is there to keep donald trump honest with the people who got him elected. those -- you know, bannon, i have been told by people working in the campaign, believe it or not, one person who worked with him in the campaign told me the other day that he is less breitbart and more pragmatist. this is someone who worked with him in the campaign. they said, that will surprise you, but he's all about winning. that's what donald trump has been about, winning. this is how they had their bond. we'll have to see how this works out. i think it's a little delicate. they have worked together before but not inside the west wing. >> this is part of why, matt, i wanted to bring you on.
i read your piece in "the globe" over the weekend and you had fascinating color about how president-elect trump has made decision like this. tell me about the guy he hired after he saw him, what, breaking up a fight? this is someone who acts very quickly which can be challenging because government can be like molasses. >> in one instance he hired a security guard he saw at the u.s. open breaking up a fight. that guy now runs a portion of donald trump's business, which illustrates another part of trump and his loyalty. i mean, he sticks with people for quite some time. but the biggest thing we learn from his business years, which is all we have to guide us at this point, is, you know, his erratic behavior, his gut instinct. he would act very quickly. and he also was very hard working. i mean, he was hard to outbeat in terms of the hours he would put in, rarely taking time off.
so, there's some good kaults th qualities that come along with it and bad qualities as well. it's what we have to guide us given trump has so little government experience -- no government experience, actually. >> not taking vacations. he's taking $1 off that big president's salary. we continue to fill in the pieces. thank you so much. coming up next, a warning from trump directly to his supporters over these racist incidents happening across this country. we'll talk live with the bishop of this church where someone sprawled "trump nation whites only" on this church wall. also ahead, did you watch? "saturday night live," david chappelle's mighty return and his moving monologue, the olive branch he's offering to trump, but under one condition. we'll have a huge conversation on this. also ahead, if the candidate wins the popular vote, should he or she win the election?
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journalist gwen ifill have died at the age of 61. first, let's go to our senior media correspondent brian, what happened? >> gwen had quietly been battling cancer for many months. she did not want to make public this information. when she went off the air this spring for a period of time, she kept it quiet, hadn't talked about her illness. she's been in hospice and that's where she passed away today. the pbs station that produces her newscast, "the newshour," calls her one of the leading lights of journalism. as we both know that, indeed. i spoke to one of her best friends, michelle norris, as we're heartbroken by this news. she remembers gwen as a giant in the news industry, moderated two vice presidential debates over the years. an icon of the journalism world
and someone who was going to be receiving a prestigious journalism prize, john chancellor award at columbia university two days away. she passed away at age 61. >> she's broken gender barriers, race barriers in this wonderful career of journalism. i have a number of voices, i have jamie, nia-malika, gloria here all to celebrate her life. nia, to you first, she was a role model, wasn't she? >> she was. i loved gwen. i was a cub reporter at the baltimore sun. i had a little picture of gwen ifill on my computer that i printed out and pasted on my computer because i wanted to be gwen ifill. she had worked at "the washington post," she had done television, worked at "the new york times." she was someone i could look on tv and see myself. she was warm, she was smart, she was funny up. read her biography and you talk
about covering seven presidential campaigns. but she was always herself. she was always so relatable on air. so, i got to spend a good bit of time with her. i told her about this little picture that i had on my computer. >> what did she say? >> she said, that's sweet but a little creepy. that's how she was. i mean, she was incredibly funny and great and warm. my goodness, such a role model for me and for so many people. she was loved by all sides, right? i mean, she was one of those figures that crossed all sorts of barriers in terms of politics, in terms of -- just in terms of who you can be in this business and such a leading light for so many people. my goodness, it's so sad. every year she would have this party at her house. and everyone in washington would pile into her house for new year's, new year's eve.
that was the place everybody went to. it was such a generous and warm place to be and really a symbol of who she was and brought everyone together. everyone knew her through all generations of journalism. >> knew her, wanted to know her. jamie, you overlapped with her in your careers. you shared an office space, you lucky woman with her. what was that like? >> well, first of all, like nia, we all loved her. she was a great person. she was funny. as you heard from that story saying, a little creepy. that is classic gwen. she was so down to earth. but she was also, i think, a role model for every reporter in that she was fearless. she was smart. she was fearless. she would stand up to everyone. she knew what her core was. and that is -- >> everything. >> -- everything. and so we all just loved her, respected her. this is -- this is a real loss
for all of us. >> the fact that she kept her battle so private. >> right. and she really did, because those of us who were friends knew it was going on, but when i e-mailed her, she really didn't want to go into any detail. she kept it very quiet. i was stunned by today's news. i did not know it had gotten this far. so, she really did want it kept very, very private. >> gloria, we know her and love her from being on pbs with judy woodruff, but before that, and nia hit on this, all the campaigns she's covered, the vice presidential debates she had the honor of moderating. i think she was a co-moderator for the democratic primary this last go around. talk to me about how big of a deal that was for her and for women and for african-americans
in this career. >> first of all, i want to say this is hard for me because she's a really good friend. and i think we're all diminished without gwen. and her preparation for those debates was stunning. and she did it with a sense of humor, as she did everything else. and as she battled her cancer, i have to tell you, she was amazing. you know, i had lunch with her and she wanted to keep it quiet. and she was just ready to get back to work and do what she loves doing. and i just -- the world won't be the same for me. >> i love all of us ladies all talking about her. and i wish -- i had never met her personally. i called someone out on my show this past year and she tweeted at me, you go girl. i wanted to frame the tweet. i mean, it's gwen ifill.
>> can i say one thing? gwen was one of the first girls on the bus in the generation. you know, we were girls on the bus together. and when it was largely male. we had fun making fun of the guys on the bus. for the next 20 years it never stopped. that's the way she was. >> for me, the biggest deal for me in terms of my life was being on washington week. i felt like i had made it. once i was on "washington week," and this was years into my career. i had been on other television outlets but to be at that table with the gwen ifill, someone i had looked up to and to have her acknowledge me and give me a place at that table, that was something for me. >> tell me more stories. nia, tell me more stories. >> gloria, do you want to go? >> well, you know, so gwen and i started out at the girls on
"washington week" because, you know, there were a lot of these agust male reporters, rick smith of "the new york times" and haynes johnson of "the washington post" and paul duke was the moderator. and it was just at a time when they were sort of letting women reporters actually be on this show. and gwen and i always had a lot of fun with it because when we would sit across the table from one person in particular, whose name i will not mention, he used to wink at us before the show started. >> oh, please. >> and gwen and i would look at each other, did you get that wink? yeah, i got that wink. did you get that wink? and then, of course, it was so wonderful when gwen became the host of "washington week," it was really an important moment for that show and to recognize gwen as the person who would
take it over and do such a wonderful job with it. taking the show on the road, which she did, during election years and bringing herself into that show, which i think made for its longevity over these years. >> nia, if i may, i want to bring one more voice in, michelle norris is on the phone. michelle is a close, close, close friend of gwen's and a colleague. so, michelle, thank you so much for calling in. there's been laughter, there's been tears in the last couple of minutes. my sincerist condolences to you for losing such a near and dear friend. how are you doing? michelle, are you with me? it's brooke. we're live on cnn. we lost her. hopefully we'll get her back. listening to all these stories and, jamie, jump in. do you have another one? >> so, there are two things i just want to tell people about her.
she came from new york. she went to simmons college. she came from a large family. that was very important to her. her father was a minister, an ame minister. but gwen had a very big career before she came to tv. i knew her in the late '90s when we shared an office at nbc. but she was a newspaper reporter. she worked at the baltimore sun, she worked at "the new york times." and she brought those reporting skills with her. to watch her prepare for an interview -- >> gloria was saying the debate -- >> to watch her when she did the debate with former vice president dick cheney and jon edwards, she read everything. she did everything. she was meticulous. she was a role model as a person and as a friend, but her reporting was just impeccable. >> jamie and nia and gloria, just thank you all so much.
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do you want to say anything to those people? >> i would say, don't do it, because that's terrible. i'm going to bring this country together. >> they're harassing latino, muslims. >> i am so saddened to hear that. and i say, stop it. if it -- if it helps, i will say this, and i'll say it right to the camera, stop it. >> donald trump condemning any harassment or alleged hate
crimes being committed across the country in the wake of his white house victory. the southern poverty lost center which tracks hate groups tells cnn there have been more than 300 incidents of hateful harassment since trump won. my next guest knows this all too well, bishop mary ann of episcopal diocese of washington. thank you for taking the time. >> i'm happy to be here. >> we wanted to have you on because of this, these pictures. this is what some vandals wrote on this church in your diocese. this is a heavily latino suburb. what's skrauld here is "trump nation whites only" written on a wall and a sign advertising spanish language services. when you heard about this, how did you feel? >> i was heart-sick. i got the word early in the morning from the priest who is the leader there, and i changed my plans and knew it was really important for me to be present with that congregation and also to get as many of the people
across our diocese to stand in solidarity and love and support for them. >> talk to me about that solidarity. you presided over the service yesterday. what was your message? >> i simply wanted the people of the congregation to know that we as church, as family, would stand by them and to counter such messages that were so hateful and so hurtful with our support and our love. and that we would respond in love and we would respond with a message of love. but we also were very clear that we needed all -- we needed those who supported the president-elect and the president-elect himself to know that there were elements in our community that were using his name now as violence against our people.
and we need that -- we need to call upon that to stop. >> you call upon that to stop. everyone in this country, even mr. trump himself, called upon them to stop in that "60 minutes" interview, but you also had a lot of church-going folk sunday packing those pews trying to celebrate or make sense of what happened last week. i know you did not vote for him. you're a prayerful woman. what would your prayer be for president-elect trump? >> my prayer for president-elect trump is that he -- he listen deeply to the cries of our people and he take a big step back from the speeches and the words that he used that were so divisive and that, frankly, gave license to some of the most hateful elements in our society to act out against people of color, immigrants, all those who feel vulnerable now because of
the emboldened hatred that has been unleashed after the election. so, i would ask him, and as i pray for him, and i do daily, that he help us step away from that and create a country where all people, all races, all religions, and, yes, people from all parts of the world, would feel welcome and safe in the country we call our home. >> bishop, thank you for your words. >> thank you. >> thank you. for the first time in his impressive comedic career, david chappelle hosted "saturday night live." he walked out onto the stage for the first time after an 11-year absence, but he made his presence felt four days after that contentious presidential election with a monologue that didn't just make people laugh, it made them think. >> this is not a joke. but i think it's important that i say this because they're
marching up the street right now as we speak. a few weeks ago i went to the white house for a party. it was the first time i've been there in many years. and -- and it was very exciting. and b.e.t. had sponsored the party so everyone there was black. and it was beautiful. i walked through the gates. you know, i'm from washington, so i saw the bus stop, the corner where the bus stop used to be, where i used to catch the bus to school and dream about nights like tonight. it was a really, really beautiful night. and at the end of the night everyone went into the west wing of the white house and there was a huge party. and everybody in there was black except for bradley cooper, for some reason. and on the walls were pictures of all the presidents of the past. now, i'm not sure if this is true, but to my knowledge the
first black person that was officially invited to the white house was frederick douglas. they stopped him at the gates. abraham lincoln had to walk out himself and escort frederick douglas into the white house. it didn't happen again, as far as i know, until roosevelt was president. when roosevelt was president, he had a black guy over and got so much flack from the media that he literally said, i will never have a nigger in this house again. i thought about that, i looked at that room and i saw all those black face, and bradley, and i saw -- and i saw how happy everybody was. these people who had been historically disenfranchised and it made me feel hopeful and made me feel proud to be an american and it made me very happy about the prospects of our country. so, in that spirit, i'm wishing donald trump luck and i'm going to give him a chance and we, the
historically disenfranchised, demand that he give us one, too. >> let's discuss. vice president of men's programming and interactive one and former senior editor at "ebony" magazine, joseph barelli, a trump supporter. so great having you all on. what a moment, what a monologue. i want to go round-robin and get everyone's reaction, jamillah, beginning with you. >> i thought it was a great monologue. i enjoyed chappelle's performance on the show. i have to say, that last moment where he says, i am going to give donald trump a chance, did not sit well with me. i was disappointed to hear it. i think it's the sort of, i don't know if cowardness is the word but that willing to be tolerant and accepting that defines the left is both a gift and a curse.
this is someone who ran a campaign on hatred and bigotry, who has since he has been elected chosen some of the most dangerous people possible to staff his white house with. and so the idea that we should be tolerant to him, as if our political differences make him a -- you know, somebody who's been disinfranchised or discriminated against is we can compare donald trump to muslims, to women who are afraid to walk around wearing their thhajabs, people afraid to go to the bathroom, afraid to go to their churches because they show up and see anti-latino scrawled on a sake sacred space. to say we need to listen to each other, give each other a chance, to to try to get along -- >> you wish he hadn't done that? >> i wish he hadn't done that. >> joe? >> i have a different opinion.
i think david chappelle is a great comedian, very funny. but he has always had this ability to walk that fine line between the offensive and the appropriate in dealing with certain racial stereotypes of our country. he has lampooned black people and white people and allowed us to view ourselves through a mirror through comedy. he's right in people should give donald trump a chance and he's right in donald trump should given the african-american community an open ear. i think trump has tried to include african-americans, people of different colors, creeds, ethnicities and i think we'll see that as president trump takes office. >> i want to give mike some love in washington. what did you make of it, as jamillah pointed out, give him a chance but he needs to give us a chance, too? >> well, i disagree with that, but let's just say for argument's sake, let's give him a chance. in 24 hours, less than 24 hours after dave chappelle made that comment, this president-elect
appoints a white supremacist, anti-semite to work down the hall from him. there's your chance, america. you gave him 12 hours and he appoints an antisematic, anti-women, racist, white supremacist as a senior adviser. how much chance are you going to give him now? >> you're talking about steve bannon. you sort of agree with michael, jamillah. he's president-elect. i understand, you know, there have been cries even within the republican establishment over the choice of steve bannon. what then? how do we move forward if we -- without the man even being inaugurated is already being eviscerated? >> i don't think we have any choice but to eviscerate him at this point. that's unfortunate. it's a difficult position to be in as a member of the media, as a voting person. i think organizations like the southern poverty law center and
naacp, et cetera, et cetera, media organizations like my own, people doing work like michael is now, we have to hold this administration accountable now and when he's officially installed. i think we have to be honest about some of the things that are troubling about him beyond just his hateful language. this is someone we now know wasn't quite prepared for the scope of the work. so, now president obama is expected to spend more time helping him and his team transition into white house life. this is the same person who was forced to present his papers. he had to present his birth certificate as a sitting president because this person decided to create his political career from this unhinged, bizarre birther movement. as if this country would elect a black man that could have been disqualified at the gate for not being born america. this guy now needs president obama's help because he can't quite do the job yet. he didn't know how hard it was going to be. he doesn't want to live in the white house every day. he wants to go to trump tower.
we have to be honest about those things. do i want him to do terrible things as he's promised he will do? no. is it possible he can exceed our expectations and be a better president to all than maybe we thought? sure. should we prepare for that? no. and so, i hope that the dave chappelles of the world, the people that have as huge a platform as he do instead say, we can find the comedy of these moments, we can find a way to connect people of differing backgrounds and opinions but don't fall short of holding him accountable for the things that he said. and has done. 12 hours later. >> how do you respond? >> look, you know, there are -- there are three people originally who really had the right tone after donald trump won. it was donald trump and his victory speech, his hillary clinton in her concession speech the next day, and it was president obama. now today i learn we could also add bernie sanders who is saying, we should stop these protests and come together. donald trump now in his first interview, not his second, not his third, his 20th, his first
interview with anybody, "60 minutes" said i want to be a president for all people. i'm sorry, i really think you should give him a chance. take the guidance of people from people like president obama who said he's willing on to work with the transition team. look, i have hope for the new president. i'm sure you're going to stick to criticizing him when it's appropriate. that's part of the american democracy. but give a chance to the guy to be the president we all deserve. >> can i just -- >> go ahead, michael. go ahead, yeah. >> i want to say, i think president-elect trump has to do a very important thing. he lost the popular vote. 52% of americans who voted voted against his agenda. he needs to look at american people and say, i will create a unity cabinet. i'll create a cabinet of democrats and republicans. i will listen to the people on who have spoken. i do not have a mandate. this country is divided. i'll create a cabinet that's anti-hate and anti-corruption. we've already seen the folks advising him are all lobbyists. he said on "60 minutes "request, i don't know who else to hire
because they're the only ones that know d.c. the president-elect has to look at the american people, if he wants our trust, he cannot appoint people who will be hateful and appoint people who will corrupt washington as he said he would get rid of them. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. we should be having these conversations on live national television. coming up next, we'll talk live with the father who voted for trump, who came here from haiti seeking the american dream legally, and did so, and his son who voted for hillary clinton. the last time we talked to them it was emotional. we're anxious to see where this father and son are now. all of this as we keep our eye on the white house. president obama will appear there in washington to take questions from the press for the first time since this historic presidential election. we will go there live. the moment the president comes to that podium. ♪
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clinton has almost 668,000 votes more than donald trump, even though he won the most electoral votes and, thus, won the presidency. that's simple, somewhat confusing fact, is surging the interest of getting rid of changing the electoral college system up. might be surprised to learn of one person who seems to be on board with this whole idea, the president-elect himself. >> so, do you still think it's rigged? >> look, i won with the electoral college. >> exactly. but do you think it's rigged? >> yes, some of the election locations are, some of the system is. >> oon though you won you're saying that. >> well, i mean, i'm not going to change my mind just because i won. but i would rather see it where you went with simple votes. you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. there's a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play, electoral college, and there's something very good
about that. put this is a different system. i respect it. i do respect the system. >> a member of the republican national committee as well as reform group, national popular vote, now in orlando attending the republican governors' association meeting. sal, welcome. >> good afternoon. >> so, why do you think this country should go with -- you don't want to abolish the electoral college but reform it. tell me why. >> that's right. i think president-elect trump summarized it very well. for all practical purposes, today we elect the president of the battleground states of america instead of the president of the united states of america. the goal of the national popular vote compact, which is basically a state-based system to change how we allocate delegates to the electoral college would make sure that every voter in every state in every election would have a voice. so, when you're running for president of the united states, we think it makes sense, and i think president-elect trump and many others believe, that it would make sense we would come pain in all 50 states and every
vote throughout this country would count. >> what is the likelihood? i mean, are pigs going to fly before we ever see something like this happen or do you feel like this there is a potential full steam ahead on this? >> oh, absolutely. i think there's a tremendous amount of opportunity to make this happen and make this happen potentially by 2020. as of today, we have 11 states that have passed the compact that have 165 electoral votes. we need an enough states to have 270 or more electoral votes for the compact to actually take place. what happened then is those states agreed to cast their ballots en masse as a group for whichever candidate gets the most votes in all 50 states plus the district of columbia. for all practical purposes, that creates a national popular vote for president where every voter in every state, all 50 states, republican or democrat, would count, not just those in the compact. what's important here is it also preserves the electoral college, preserves the insurance policy, so to speak, for electoral college to play a role. it makes sure that the elections
are state-based run, not a federal system. and it does not require a constitutional amendment because we're not getting rid of the electoral college, which is a very important factor for us. >> but, you know, if you have hillary clinton winning the popular vote, and this will be just historically speaking the sixth time in the last seven presidential elections that the democrats have won the popular vote. you, sir, as a proud republican, are you worried that turning the election into a popular vote will make it harder to elect republican presidents? >> not at all. look, if this was truly a national popular vote, if we would have campaigned in all 50 states, i think president-elect trump would have won overwhelmingly. >> you do? >> you have to remember, we spent about 94% of our resources in only 12 states. both parties, republican, the democrat, but all their money and resources into the battleground states. so, there was no effort, as trump -- you know, mr. trump had talked about, campaigning in new york. he thought he could win new york. he thought he could compete in new jersey. there were other states that if
it was a true national popular election, that they would have been running it. but what we do today we concentrate all of our efforts in those swing states because we know about 40 states, four out of five americans live in decidedly republican or decidedly democratic state. so, it makes no sense under the current rules for either side or either candidate to go and campaign in those states. >> we'll see if it changes in four years. we'll follow your fight to reform. saul, thank you for your time on that possibility. great to have you on. meantime, this election, it has taken an emotional toll on america. today some are afraid of what donald trump may do, others are responding to the president-elect's campaign rhetoric. they're angry. ♪ >> five straight days of protests from coast to coast. more are scheduled today. on the flipside, a lot of trump supporters could not be happier. their feelings are out in the opening.
they have been heard. they're hopeful trump's policies will help them and help their families. this division is palpable in this country, it's raw. splitting some families back with me. the founder and editor-in-chief of swagger new york and his dad john row better, haitian immigrant came to the u.s. legally in the '70s, worked tooth and nail, followed that american dream and now he voted for donald trump and his guy won. so, to the regises, welcome back to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> shawn-pierre, my friend, i know as a hillary supporter you have been racked over her loss. in terms of the fact that you and your dad are like this politically, tell me about that first conversation with your dad. >> i showed up and i said, you know, congratulations, dad. you won. and i know how much my dad really wanted trump to win but i also said, dad, i want you to tell me every single fear that
you have. let me know what made you vote for this man. i'm going to let you know what my fears are. and because, to me, if i could say, dad, i'm really fearful that, you know, muslims aren't being treated reich in this country, i have friends who are muslims, essentially your intent wasn't to vote against them, but you did. i need to tell you what those fears are so you can come to the table and say, i don't want you to be fearful anymore. we had this long conversation that i got to understand again even more so my dad's experience and how that has educated his vote. at the same time, i said, dad, i don't want you to be fearful. i don't want you to make me live in a world where i and my friends are fearful. >> john robert, how did you respond to your son? >> basically, what i told him, i said, look, you may not understand the reason why i voted for trump. again, i understand everybody is entitled to their own opinion
and i respect my children's opinions. i have five of them. and they all are hillary supporters. >> all of them? >> all of them. all of them are hillary supporters. but i decided to support trump. it's just for trump policies. he's thinking of bringing jobs back to the country. he's thinking about securing our country. he's thinking about, you know, helping the poor people of this country. and, of course, if you work hard, you're going to be rewarded. and nothing is given free to you when you're sitting, doing nothing. that's only the reason why i voted for trump. >> you know that personally. that is your truth and your story, and you raised five amazing hillary clinton
supporting children. and it's interesting, though, just turning to you, because i remember the piece when you were on last time because you talked to other young people in this country. i look at your dad and you have the so-called east coast and left coast elites, liberal elites, who think that the folks in the middle of the country are unintelligent, uneducated, and those are the racist, you know, trump supporters. and you look at your dad. >> right. >> not true. >> right. through this whole process, through this whole election process, what i realized is i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth but i was born with a spoon. that's something my dad did not have, right? so, he has a working class mentality, though he has pushed way beyond the means he should have as a haitian immigrant. he has allowed me to be privileged and to think about my neighbor and my community. he's not there yet. he's not there yet. and he probably will never be there. i'm so lucky to see that blind spot and know i have been given the opportunity to care about
gay folks, you know, minorities, women. i'm so lucky to be at that point. it saddens me to see across social media when people are like, if you voted for trump or your family voted for trump, don't talk to me because that's an experience thing for people and how lucky we are to see the way. one last thing, brooke, my sociology professor texted me and said, i understand you're sad but know we may have lost the battle but we're going to win the war and how far we've come since my dad has come here that i can be on this television station with my dad, a haitian immigrant, two black men. >> how about that? >> how far we've come. >> dad, i love that note you're ending on. i want to hear from you, finally, on your message to your children and the young people in this country just from lessons you've learned. i remember you saying your son was a little young, he hadn't quite learned the last time we were on tv.
>> what i can tell my son, i can tell him that keep looking forward. we are not democrat or we are not republican. we are american. we all are here for a purpose. and we all would like to see the country move forward. we don't want the country to go backward anymore. from now on, we're going to have to give donald trump a chance. give him four years and see what he's going to do. if he screws up, okay, we can vote him out. but if he -- if he does what he promised to do, then we'll give another four years. >> thank you for coming back. i know this is so personal for you. >> thank you. >> and it is personal for a lot of people in this country. thank you so much. i'm brooke baldwin. special coverage of president obama's first news conference
since donald trump's election begins right now. jake tapper takes it from here. welcome to this special hour of "cnn newsroom." i'm jake tapper in washington, d.c. the transition of power is well under way. but if you thought the breakneck speed of the presidential campaign might recede a bit, you might get some days off in this 71 days until the inauguration, think again. in minutes, president obama will walk out to that podium and give his first extended q&a, first extended news conference with reporters since american voters elected donald trump president of the united states. the last time we saw president obama, he said some nice things about the president-elect. they were sitting in the oval office together. but we have learned since that during that meeting and meeting with trump officials, some white house staffers say they were taken aback by how little the presid