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this is ynn breaking news. breaking news. will donald trump's children be granted top security clearance when he becomes president? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. at the same time sources telling cnn about severe infighting in trump's transition team, one source calling it a knife fight t meanwhile, president barack obama urging americans to give the president elect a chance. >> i don't think he's eyed i don't logical. i think ultimately he is pragmatic in that way. that can serve him well as long as he's got good people around him and he has a clear sense of direction. >> i want to begin the hour with
cnn white house correspondent athena jones. you were at the president's press conference today, the first since donald trump won the election. what is your take-away? >> i thought it was interesting how much time the president spent talking about what he views as some of his administration's biggest achievements. he spent almost as much time reminding viewers of the accomplishments as he did trying to ease the concerns of people that did not support donald trump, and that clip you played i thought it was an interesting take-away. the president spoke quite a bit about the meeting he had with president-elect trump last week in the oval office. they sat down and talked for an hour and a half, and his take-away was trump was not ideological but pragmatic in a way that could serve him well if he has good people around him and a clear sense of direction. today i asked president obama about one of the people that trump has around him, a person he has tapped to be a chief strategist and a senior adviser in his white house, and that is steve bannon, the former head of brightbart news. as you know it is a website that has champion ed white
nationalist themes, and so i asked the president what message does it send to the country and to the world having a person like steve bannon, having such a prominent role in your white house. the president didn't want to comment. he said it would be inappropriate for him to comment in the interest of trying to facilitate a smooth transition. he went on to say that the voters have spoken, donald trump will be the 45th president. here is some more of what he had to say. those who didn't vote for him have to recognize that that's how democracy works, that's how the system operates. when i won there were a number of people who didn't like me and didn't like what i stood for, and, you know, i think that whenever you get an incoming president of the other side, particularly in a bitter election like this, it takes a
while for people to reconcile themselves with that new reality. hopefully it is a reminder that elections matter and voting counts. and so, you know, i don't know how many times we have to relearn this lesson because we ended up having 43% of the country not voting who were eligible to vote, but it makes a difference. >> so elections matter, that's a message, that sort of theme he repeated more than once. so, don, we saw a very different tone from the president today in this press conference than we've seen over the last several weeks or longer of him being on the campaign trail, throwing barbs at donald trump and sometimes speaking in apock lip tick terms about a trump president. today he was calm, spoke carefully and was measured and
at times it seemed as if he was sending a message how a president should speak, should carry himself. it was an interesting press conference. >> how a president should conduct himself. i appreciate that. i want to bring in "washington post" political reporter. good evening, gentlemen. thank you so much for joining me tonight. ryan, i'm going to start with you. there's word today donald trump wants his children and son-in-law to be given top security, secret security clearances. a transition official denies that and says the children haven't filled out the paperwork, but does that concern you? >> yeah, i think it is deeply concerning because we've been told two things now about what donald trump's children, or at least three of his children will be doing during the trump presidency. we were told during the campaign that they would be running his business and that would be how the trump family would somehow separate donald trump's business empire, which he says is worth $10 million, from his government service. now, let me tell you, any of
donald trump's competitors around the world would be very happy if they had access to top secret information from the u.s. government. so the idea that his children will be learning about our government's secrets at the same time that they are running a multi-billion dollar global business is the kind of thing that you would expect to see in a third world banana republic, not in the united states of america. so, again, this issue of the conflict between his companies and the corporate world and our government has not been settled at the least, and this is sort of the latest worrying sign. just to add one detail, ivanka trump's business has tonight tweeted out an advertisement for a $10,000 bracelet that ivanka was apparently wearing on "60
minutes" and is using her appearance on "60 minutes" to sell jewelry. so this is completely new in american life. we have never had a presidential family that a week after the election is trying to profit off of their father's winning the presidency. >> although i think it is worth pointing out ivanka trump also did it after the convention. she had a dress she wore at the convention and her advertiser sent it out as well. >> yeah, and i would make a distinction. there's things that you do perhaps when you're running for president that really change once your father ascends to the office. i mean people were outraged when the bush brothers cashed in on the bush presidency or when, you know, billie carter did something embarrassing to jimmie carter, but in is a much different and more worrying level. >> you were shaking your head in agreement with what he was saying. do you think his business
competitors would like to know, you know, what -- >> yeah, i mean categorically. ryan is exactly right. the thing that is interesting is donald trump has a lot of confidence and faith in his kids. they're close to him in business, outside of business. we've seen them on the campaign trail. i think this is the limited circle that he has that he puts confidence and trust in. if you look at the transition team, the transition team members are people who have been with him since day one. he has not demonstrated an ability to expand outward and he has a ton of positions to fill at the white house and in the executive branch, and it seems he has a fairly small pool of people he trusts. >> can you play this out logically for me. if donald trump gets information on fighting isis or, you know, campaign against iraq, syria and all of that stuff, would his children, don jr. and ivanka, get that information as well? would they be weighing in on giving him foreign policy
advice? >> if they have the highest level security clearance, he can talk to them about anything, right. giving them access to -- you know, essentially it is a pass code. they can go wherever they want with it, get whatever information, have conversations with the president at whatever level the president deems appropriate. >> i mean, don, there are senior people in the white house that don't have top-level security clearances. this is not something that's just handed out to everyone who walks into an administration. >> yeah. but he has said repeatedly during the campaign that he would surround himself, ryan, with the best people. his children have no experience with policy or government. i mean is it dangerous potentially to national security? >> if his children are going to be his national security advisors? yeah, that's insane. but this is what happens when -- i mean, look, he was elected partly because he didn't have any experience, right? this was a revolt against people who have experience, people who have been running things for a while. so we shouldn't be shocked that
all of a sudden, you know, he's relying on people without experience. but, yeah, we should be concerned. i mean the idea that his kids should be -- should be given -- i mean i can't even believe we're here discussing this, don. his children are going to get -- and i should say that in the pool report, i did just see that a trump adviser went down to the reporters that are hanging out downstairs at trump tower and tried to put this fire out and did say on background that trump has not asked for this and that as of right now this is not a standing request. >> yeah. >> so we'll see if this goes forward or not. >> all right. thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. >> thanks. >> straight ahead, donald trump's economic plans to create jobs and cut taxes. will it work? will it all work? we'll talk about that next. ♪ "credit karma, why are you checking your credit score?"
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president-elect trump has an economic plan to create jobs. will it work and will congress give him the money for the programs he wants? here to discuss william cohen, contributing editor to ""vanity fair"." and grover nordquist, "americans for tax reform." william, priority number one is jobs. president-elect trump has proposed a major infrastructure program. will that create jobs? >> yes, sure. i mean if you spend a trillan dollars on the nation's infrastructure, our roads, bridges, high speed rail service. by the way president obama did something similar in his first two years in office. an $800 billion stimulus program that created a number of jobs as well. yes, it will create jobs. in that sense that's great. are those long-lasting jobs, high-paying jobs, jobs they can count on for more than just the period of the building project
in question? we don't know. >> same question to you, grover. do you think it will create jobs? >> look, the most important thing that trump has said he's going to do is to take the corporate rate from 35% down to 15. that will create tremendous economic growth. it will take growth in the country from 2% up to 4%, which is huge. we do need to have roads and bridges, whether it needs to be done by the federal government as opposed to state and local governments is a debate. certainly if the federal government does it under present law, the davis-bacon act which has a horrific past, is a law which raises the cost of anything the federal government builds by about 25 to 33%. if we get rid of the davis-bacon act with present gas taxes and other revenues, we can do a all right more building of roads. if we can get the epa not to drag out the decision making for years and years, that saves a lot of money. and if 25% of the road taxes that people pay were not
diverted to things other than roads, which is presently what congress and the federal government does, we could have a lot more roads. we do a lot of things to hurt ourselves, diverting money, gas taxes, people pay thinking they're paying for roads. the money is taken in other directions. the davis-bacon act takes more. >> let's stick to infrastructure, grover. he has been talking about cutting taxes, spending more on defense. however, will those policies increase our debt instead of reduce them? >> well, the growth from lower taxes and less regulation can certainly generate revenue. it did during the reagan years, and i think that's very important. but also remember when he talks about money being invested in infrastructure, he's talking about public/private partnerships. looking at new roads and bridges that can be built with tolls rather than taxes. so it is not necessarily tax dollars that are being spent. what i talked about with the diversion of people's gas taxes
and davis-bacon, a lots of federal money spent on supposedly on roads is not spent on roads. >> okay. talking about trickle down, and has that ever worked? >> i think we need a little dose of reality here with what grover is saying. the non-partisan tax policy center examined what we know of president-elect trump's proposals, economic proposals. said they would add $7.2 trillion in debt to -- over 10 years to the national debt, which donald trump correctly said is quickly approaching $20 trillion and something we should do something about. instead, his proposals would add another $7.2 trillion in debt. that would make us a highly-leveraged entity as a nation, 150% of gdp, which would rank us up by greece. only japan would have more debt as a percentage of gdp. we know donald trump knows a lot about highly leveraged entities,
something like four to six of his businesses that he was involved with went into bankruptcy. and so i mean he's been called the king of debt. maybe we're going to see that in the next four years in this country. >> go ahead, grover. i'm sure you want to respond to that? >> no, it is just the same nonsense we heard during the reagan year. if you grow at 4% instead of 2% a year, during the reagan years -- >> there's no guarantee of growing 4% of the year. that's the number donald trump pulled out during the campaign. there's no evidence of that, that this will in any way lead us to 4% growth. in any way. go ahead. >> yes, there is. what we had during the rageon years with lower tax rates and some deregulation we grew at 4% a year. during the obama years with stimulus spending we grew at 2% a year. the difference is $5 trillion more in revenue, not by raising taxes but more people working. $5 trillion goes a lot to
reducing debt, and people who don't use dynamic scoring miss that, whether they call themselves non-partisan or whatever, it is not very good economics. so it is very important to understand there would be another 12 million people in this country today working if we had grown at reagan rates rather than obama rates. that's the pain that americans are seeing. that's the damaged families and households and neighborhoods of 12 million people not working. we need to get growth back. that comes from lower taxes, less regulation, and i think more serious infrastructure spending. i think better by states than washington. >> can i just jump in here because i remember the reagan years. reagan is a lovely guy, many people loved him. haven't we row romanticized those years because we were in a recession during those years as well. >> what i'm measuring is when they had the recession and when they started to come out of it, reagan growth started the year
1983 when reagan cuts kicked in. from that point with the lower rates you had strong nick growth going out more than a decade until our friend george herbert walker bush decided to raise taxes and put an end to that. >> go ahead. >> and we got a huge disparity in incomes in this country as a result in the reagan years. >> bring down inequality. >> it sounds like -- any time something sounds like trickle down people become concerned about it because it does not seem to work for any president who tried it. am i wrong? >> trickle down economics what left winger call a tax cut across the board. it was 22% across the board for everybody who pays taxes. what's the trickle down part, it was across the board tax cut taking corporate rate from 35 to 15 when we're competing with europe which has 25% average corporate rate, we're harming ourselves under present law. >> the key to what grover is saying is 4% growth rate. it is easy to say on national tv
and harder to do. >> reagan did it. >> let's see if trump can do it. >> thank you. i appreciate it. coming up, are you still feeling afraid even after the election? you're not alone. stay with me. whythen get worse?nks taste chalky? introducing protein shots from 5-hour energy. protein shots from 5-hour energy are smooth and tasty, and still deliver 21 grams of protein with 100 calories. they're great for workouts, no matter how you work out... whether you're going for reps... or laps... or distance. you gotta try it... period. protein shots from 5-hour energy. great taste. 100 calories. 21 grams of protein.
ro . almost half of all-americans and more than three-quarters of hillary clinton voters say they feel afraid since donald trump's victory in the presidential election. that's according to a new gallup poll. here to discuss aman vansandt, host of ayama fix my life on the oprah winfrey, which i'm addictioned to. thank you for coming on and giving us your words of wisdom. >> thank you for having me. >> we hear a lot of reports of anger and violence, more incidents now than after september 11th. that's according to southern poverty law center. what do you say to people that feel anxious or fearful? >> my first thing would be breathe, take deep breaths and fear not. there is nothing to fear. you know, don, when i break down on the side of the room my first
call is to aaa balls i know they're going to bring me help. i want to give aaa's i believe will support us. first one is acknowledgements. the second one is acceptance. the third one is action. we have to acknowledge, don, that this didn't happen to us. it didn't fall out of the sky. it is not like a stroke or a heart attack that suddenly came upon us. we created this. we created this in so many ways. notice that i said we. so one of the things, another a, we've got to eliminate the against-ness. we have to ee lem nate the against-ness and acknowledge how we created this. we have to acknowledge half of the people voted, who voted think the way this candidate spoke or the president-elect spoke. they think that. on some levels we knew it. we knew it but we wouldn't discuss it because in many ways we have normalized disrespect.
we have normalized vial speaking. we have normalized it on social media. we have normalized it in so many ways. we have to acknowledge that. we have to tell the truth about it, because the truth will set us free. then we also have to accept. we have to accept. right now i think a lot of people are grieving. they're going through the stages of grief, you know, shock and disbrief and then anger and guilt and remorse. we're going through all of that. there is nothing to fear. we can't spend our lives crouched down in the corner waiting to see what's going to happen. acknowledge our responsibility. we have to accept what happened. >> and you said action. >> yeah, action. hold people accountable so that our seated elected officials, we have to hold them accountable. >> i want you to take a look at this. this is an incident from ohio state university this evening. we have a statement, look at this. >> hey, boy. >> so that was a protester and
then a supporter comes down the stairs and pushes a guy down. a statement from ohio school which says ohio state is investigating this incident thoroughly. we are thankful the speaker appears not to have been seriously injured. that's good to hear. but with this tension running high, how can -- how do we all take it down a notch? >> again, fear not and keep breathing. fear not and keep breathing. hopefully this is not going -- this is not indicative of what the next four years are going to be like. but i do think that there is a coming forward of a civil unrest. i really do believe, because of so many things in our society, in our system, in our political system. that has to change. you know, change is always proceeded by chaos, all change is proceeded by chaos. so there may be some chaotic moments, there may be some upheaval. but if we acknowledge our responsibility, hold people
accountable and eliminate against-ness, accept what is going on and then take action. here is a question i want to know. what is the ask? see, part of the challenge i think that we faced in this election is we didn't have a big enough ask. what did we ask the candidates for? what are we asking of this president-elect? are we just going to sit crouched in the corner? you know, i'm on the bill mar team that says we are still here. we're not going anywhere. >> michael moore was on my program last week after the election. i want you to listen to what he had to say. >> okay. start running people that are inspiring, though. the republicans, they run ronald reagan, they run schwarzenegger. why aren't we running tom hanks or oprah? >> you know, i ask you if you came to national attention on oprah, you're on the oprah network. what do you think, oprah 2020? >> i don't think she would do
it. i don't know, we can ask her. i do agree with michael, but who we ran wouldn't matter to 46% of the people didn't vote. i think the apathy and the laziness, we have to heal ourselves of that. again, this didn't happen to us. we created it and we have to look at the hows and the whys. don't beat yourself up. no heat, no judgment about it, but we have to get clear. get a clear ask, and we have to take some action. specifically i would like to say for communities of color, african-americans, latin americans, we have to stop waiting for somebody to come and tell us what to do. we have to start right where we are with what we have. what are we asking of our elected officials? let's do it now. >> iyama vanzant. fix my life. >> just breathe and fear not. >> on the own network. i appreciate it so much. thank you. >> thank you, don. >> up next, did the black lives matter movement have an
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you have to lose by voting from him? that message got through to some black voters. here to discuss now, wesley louery, author of "they can't kill us all." ferguson, baltimore and a new herea in america's racial justice movement. did we meet in ferguson? >> once or twice. >> yeah. >> of course, you may not realize this, but we see each other a lot on stories. >> 13%, so got through to some black voters. do you believe he got through to some black voters, black men i should say? >> yes, black men, because black women completely rejekcted donad trump as a candidate. when you look at mitt romney, a certain number of black men have been willing to vote republican, we've all got one uncle or aunt. i think what is interesting here, i'm not sure what do you have to lose connected with them. but i think perhaps some of the arguments about personal
responsibility, some of the same kind of conservative ideology we heard, let's clean up the streets, get education better. >> i had eyean law on and i hear from people of color, from women that are sad, people are out protesting. what do you feel? >> how do i feel? it is going to be a busy few years i think, right. one of the main thing is obviously me and the team i work with at the post, we do a lot of raisin justice, a lot of policing, a lot of police data. >> you're very outspoken about the issue. >> extremely. it is important. i think that, you know, obviously as black men who have real life experiences, who understand what it is about to be pulled over, we get that, understand that. but i think that specifically looking at police data, one of the things i have said i think it is important we need to know how many people are being killed by police, how they're being killed. we need tan lies it so we figure out how to have fewer people. one think imperilled by donald trump presidency is he could come back and go back on the promises made by obama
administration. he could say queer we're not go count the data. >> david chappell made his comeback by hosting "snl." i thought it was brilliant. watch this. >> why do we have the say that black lives matter? now, i admit it is not the best slogan, but mcdonald's already took you deserve a break today. and i guess it is kind of catchy because everyone else is biting it, even the police bite it. blue lives matter. what, was he born a police? that is not a blue life. that's a blue suit. you don't like it, take that suit off, find a new job because i'm going to tell you right now if i could quit being black today, i'd be out the game. >> he also dropped the n bomb. >> a few times. >> what did you think of chappell? >> look, i'm a big, unabashed dave chappell fan. grew up on him. i thought it was brilliant.
i thought the one he and chris rock did afterwards where they're watching election night, with white people saying, this is the worst thing america has ever done. they started cracking up. it was fitting, right? dave chappell and chris rock are two of the most brilliant menace relates to race in america. here they were after trump was elected giving us this. >> i never thought about it. i don't know if you watch this show. i thought it was possible he could become the nominee and stood a good chance of winning. maybe it was because i was looking at it as a black man. >> you can't underest made the power. >> i want to talk about your new book, called "they can't kill us all, ferguson, baltimore and a new era in racial justice and the racial justice movement." you covered extensively the aftermath of the shooting of michael brown, on and on, you covered baltimore, freddie gray. did it start the movement in this country? >> i think it is a big part of
it. i think a lot traces back to trayvon martin in 2012 and 2013. the first time we saw masses of people were in ferguson. you were there, i was there. we saw it in cleveland, in new york, and eventually in charlotte, milwaukee and detroit. i think at the same time that was activated, we interviewed so many of the young people. a lot of them said they voted for obama, a lot of them were very into politics and they felt discouraged. i remember an activist telling me, i voted for obama twice and michael brown is still dead, trayvon is still dead. this was activated -- >> you discuss why there's been so little even under the ohm bauma president to improve the lives of african-americans. in this book you talk about it. >> of course. this idea that first of all we needed to have a black president to understand the contours and limitations of a black presidency. i think a lot of people bought so much into the idea of yes, we can, and fired up ready to go, this is going to solve everything, we have the black
guy in the white house, he will fix it. a lot of the young folks, can advanced for him, they watched trayvon martin, they watched michael brown's body in the street. people asked why do people protest. people are asking as protests are breaking out across the country now. people protest when they've done everything they think they're supposed to do. >> the voice of the unheard. >> these people in portland voted for hillary clinton, oregon went blue, and they were handed something unjust. >> interesting book. i can't wait to read it. >> i can't to wait until you read it. starting tonight on "cnn tonight with don lemon." >> and you are on the "today show" tomorrow. >> i am. >> can america move from anger to unity and can com de help? >> we've actually elected an internet troll as our president.
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first post election episode host dave chappell took shots at president-elect trump. here to discuss of content and brand at interactive one and political commentators of btu news. so everyone, i want y'all to take a look at this. >> before i go i do want to say one thing, and this is not a joke but i think it is important that i say this because they're marching of the street right now as i speak. a few weeks ago i went to the white house for a party. it was the first time i had been there in many years, and it was very exciting. and bet had sponsored the party, so everyone there was black. and it was beautiful. i walked through the gates. you know, i'm from washington so i saw the bus stop, the corner
where the bus stop used to be where i used to catch the bus to school and dream about nights like tonight. it was a really, really beautiful night. at the end of the night everyone went into the west wing of the white house and there was a huge party, and everybody in there was black except for bradley cooper for some reason. and on the walls were pictures of all of the presidents of the past. now, i'm not sure if this is true but to my knowledge the first black person that was officially invited to the white house was fredrick douglas. they stopped him at the gates. abraham lincoln had to walk out himself and escort fredrick douglas into the white house. it didn't happen again as far as i know until roosevelt was president. when roosevelt was president he had a black guy over and got so much flack from the media he literally said i will never have a -- in this house again. i thought about that and i
looked at that room and i saw all of those black faces and bradley, and i saw -- and i saw how happy everybody was. these people who had been historically disenfranchised. it made me feel hopeful and it made me feel proud to be an american and it made me very happy about the prospects of our country. so in that spirit, i'm wishing donald trump luck, and i'm going to give him a chance, and we, the historically disenfranchised, demand that he give us one too. >> kierna, you were there. >> i was. >> so what is your -- thanks for the invite, by the way. thanks for inviting us. >> i was there. >> thanks for inviting us too, angela. what was your reaction after the monologue? >> i guess i was quiet for a minute. there was a lot of euphoria in
the room. everybody was really excited, not just about this moment but about -- it was just truly like black "snl" because rock was in the building. but it felt like the air came out, at least for more, the moment. i kind of wish he had struck the first part of his comment and just began with, we the historically disenfranchised demand. but, you know, we're not looking for a chance. i guess that was what struck me right then as much as i completely live for chappell when he's poignant, and he's perfect. like he almost never gets it wrong. his genius is just clear. but in that moment there was an opportunity to not, i guess, apologize. i feel there's a grand apology. >> did you speak to him? >> i did not. i heard him in conversation. i won't mention what he said, but i'll tell you what i took from it all.
i think that for the entire cast they had to deal with a turn of events which no one saw coming which speaks to the grand moment they had in the living room where they're planning out how white folks saw one way and black folks saw it as a clear possibility. >> yeah, let's play that. larry, trump might actually win. >> i mean of course. what are you talking about? >> i tried to tell 'em that. >> what is happening? why are women even voting for him? >> yeah, i don't get you ladies. i mean the country's 55% women. i mean if the country was 55% black, well, we'd have tons of black presidents. flav flav would president. >> this is the most shameful thing america has ever done. all right. mark, i got kicked out of a
party last christmas for saying that. i told you. >> yeah, i laughed at you. you talking about somewhere this could happen, and i knew it could happen. i was just hoping it wouldn't happen, right? but it could. what boggles my mind is that white people are stunned that this could have happened. liberal white people in particular, i can't believe our country is in this place. that's what made us get so genius. we realize white people have on blinders when it comes to racism. >> i lied at the beginning. i was not at "snl," i was at the party at the white house. >> the b.e.t. thank you for the invite to that as well. >> yeah, and a little tease, performed and it was the best moment. i digress. this particular skit burned me, and i think it might be to mark's point, don. our first fight was about donald trump potentially winning. you told me black people were going to vote for him, and i fought you on this show. don't do that, don't gloat, don.
>> i'm not. >> i think the reality is i'm really frustrated with some of my progressive friends that didn't listen, right, to members of the congressional black caucus who said from the very outset of this election that real targeted investment needed to go into our communities to turn out voters. hispanic caucus members said the same thing, and i think that we really under estimated and over played our hand by not realizing that folks needed to be -- needed to turn out to vote, not just in urban areas but in rural areas that i think were a little bit ignored. you're starting to see it in some of the data now that's coming out. so, yes, you know, this is kind of a joke, but the joke is now on us because this isn't the worst thing that's ever happened in american history. i lead you to what happened to native americans, i lead you to what happened to black people vis-a-vis slavery and the trans atlantic slave trade. >> new addition. >> oprah going off the air. >> and oprah's response to this initially, but we can't talk about that.
>> no, you can. >> talk about oprah? >> i'm not going to say anything about oprah. you have my twitter. >> talking about that, mark chastised me last week. this is what it is about, we all talk, like each other and get mad. you said, don, stop, don't be blaming black people on hillary clinton losing and donald trump winning. >> no. >> and we were just talking about a part of the story. but many people say -- in the sense many people say, the statistics show maybe white women failed hillary clinton. >> and that is my frustration. you can talk about the 12, 13% of black men who voted who shouldn't have. i find it stunning and disappointing, but white women voted for donald trump despite the videos, despite everything they heard. they closed ranks around whiteness instead of gender. they chose white supremacy. >> this is white-lash. >> what issues did donald trump advocates? >> they'll say jobs.
>> even white women -- >> so did hillary clinton and she actually had a plan. >> that's the thing. they said, you know what, he's sexist but has a great plan. he didn't present a plan. >> people get upset when you say, because van joan said white-lash. i had the guy from brightbart that said that. do you agree there was a white-lash. >> yes, i think that's essentially what we're saying. they decided that that was the issue. full stop. whiteness was the unifier and the security i personally believe many of trump's core base needed to feel, was brought out by them strictly going after this notion of superiority, and we're seeing it now in this brightbart -- >> you don't think it was strategic republicans realize if we want to get our policies in place, if we want to shape the supreme court, if we want -- they always said it is a binary
kois, and if you are a republican you're going to come home at the end of the day where, i believe and i told you this, democrats and progressives were fighting amongst themselves about things. african-americans were fighting about the 1994 crime bill. >> those things -- >> no, no. >> principle -- >> i'm not saying they weren't. but at the end of the day, there may have been a protest vote or people stayed home and there was apathy where republicans said, this is our chance to get the person who closely fits the model that we want. he may not be perfect because republicans didn't even like him and they were speaking out against him as well. >> but, don -- >> but i'm saying were they more strategic and we're saying it is whiteness or blackness. maybe they were more strategic, angela. >> they weren't more strategic at all. the reality of this, and unfortunately there are voters who were barack obama voters in 2008, if 2012, that voted for donald trump. they appealed to the needs of rural white america and distinguished those needs from what black and brown folks
needed. hillary clinton had to lean more progressive. she had to say black lives matter. she had to apologize for saying super predator. i'm saying that's the right thing to do, but it was divisive enough to white anger in this country, hence van's term he coined, white-lash. >> the whole thing about super predator, it was brought up by bernie sanders, not the trump people. >> no, they had no authority. >> you were speaking about black voter turnout. this is what the president said today about turnout. let's listen. >> hopefully it is a reminder that elections matter and voting counts. and so -- you know, i don't know how many times we have to relearn this lesson because we ended up having 43% of the country not voting who were eligible to vote, but it makes a difference. do you think that was a general or in general he was reminding his base and black voters he had warned them they needed to shore up his legacy or
it would be dismantled. >> the president never wasted a moment to chastise black folk but i don't think that's what he was doing. >> don't do that. >> that's what he was doing. he said 43% of americans, i don't think he was talking about black people but everybody. >> it was 46.9% who didn't turn out this time, right? and i think the realgt of ity os not just black folks not voting. they voted on par with the country. the other thing he did effectively in the press conference is to say, listen, it doesn't matter what your plans are if people don't hear them. >> i got to go. >> oh, come on, don. >> quick last word. >> i think he did think he was talking about black people. i actually did see him as turning the camera toward us. i think that there's going to be a lot more of that in the final months. i hate to disagree with my fellow brothers and sisters, but i just think that he is now coming home, if you want to put
it in those terms. >> here is the thing about no matter who won, right, we're all sitting here, right? this is the fourth estate, very powerful checks and balances. whether hillary clinton won or jill stein or gary johnson or donald trump, no matter who it is, this is where the checks and balances start right here in the media. i think it is more important. at least we learned -- we're learning it even more so now. that has been your moment in blackness. >> that is so wrong! >> look at us, come on. >> and they're trying to kick us off now saying we're way over. thank y'all. thank y'all. good night -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com . . . .
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