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good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. efforts to get the new trump administration up and running apparently stall bid infighting and turmoil in the transition team. that and new reporting on the source of it, someone very close to president-elect, someone inside the family circle. also fresh outcry from the floor of the senate. leading lawmaker took to the floor and implored donald trump to rethink his hiring of steve bannon over charges of racism. feelings are raw. would be an understatement to say emotions are running high. against that backdrop, president-elect trump and advice president-elect pence. met to hash that out. even as administration saw a strick of high profile departures. more on all of that now from our jim acosta. >> reporter: don't tell mike pence vice presidents don't have
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much power. the new chair of donald trump's transition team now has a critical mission, to end the infighting of who will snatch up the most powerful position inside the administration. among the front runners for jeff sessions for attorney general, senator tom cotton for defense, trump campaign finance chair and former u.n. ambassador john bolton and rudy giuliani for secretary of state. giuliani is publicly jockeying to become the nation's top diplomat. >> would be a good choice. >> is there anybody better? >> maybe me. i don't know. >> but giuliani may not be a lock. worry about the transitions over seas. worry about his past business dealings overseas and bolton could put trump in an odd position, strong supporter of the iraq war which trump insisted he opposed. >> does everybody believe me? i was against going into iraq. >> you want to have a diplomat in charge of diplomacy. you don't want a bomb thrower. >> reporter: inside the transition team, one source describes a knife fight as
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high-level adviser former congressman and cnn contributor mike rogers has stepped down al with a slue of officials who worked for the oust fd chairman new jersey governor chris christie. one bush administrator tweeted after exchange with the trump transition team is applicants should stay away. they're angry, airing gant screaming you lost. will be ugly. ben carson says he's also out. >> i don't particularly want to work inside the government. >> democrats are howling over choice of brietbart news exec steve bannon as a strategist, accusing the president-elect of putting a white nationalist in the white wing. >> bigotry is bad for business. >> after criticizing trump for using racist language during the campaign, house speaker ryan is defending bannon. >> president will be judged on the results of this administration.
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>> reporter: trump seems to be sensitive to critics. point out the fifth president to have lost the popular vote. after once slamming the electoral college he has changed his tune, saying the electoral college is genius, in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. campaigning is much different. if the population were based on total popular vote i would have campaigned in new york, florida, and california, and won even bigger and more easily. has most of the gop on board. >> we got these hats at conference today and it's not just a great slogan. but inside the tag you see "made in the usa." >> jim acosta joins us now from trump tower. ted cruz met with president-elect today. do you know the details of that? >> reporter: yeah. one of the more remarkable meetings donald trump had here at trump tower today. as a matter of fact, a cruz spokeswoman put out a statement after ted cruz left here saying that ted cruz is essentially embraced what they're calling this mandate to drain the swamp in washington.
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for ted cruz to use that kind of catch phrase from donald trump shows you how far that relationship has come. and i should point out there's a little bit of late breaking news. earlier today we were reporting that the transition process from the obama administration to the new trump administration had frozen because the white house did not have the proper signature on key transition documents. they had chris christie's signature on those documents. i'm now told by a white house official that, yes, mike pence has signed those documents. now that process, which was frozen earlier today, can start moving forward again. so one piece of good news for this new administration. anderson? >> jim, thank you very much. digging deeper. new information from several sources on who is behind the friction inside the transition efforts. phil mattingly joins us with the latest on that. what are you learning, phil? >> reporter: this really all goes back to jared kushner, the husband of ivanka trump, crucial component of donald trump's inner circle. if you want a sense of why or how, take a look at this.
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when donald trump was meeting one-on-one with president obama, chief of staff dennis mcdonough was walking one on one with jared kushner. sources are telling cnn he has been at the center of this infighting, described as overbearing and played a key role in something jim just laid out, the decision to purge chris christie as the transition chairman but also several of chris christie's top advisers and allies along with him. that has rubbed staffers the wrong way, people who are cognizant of the fact that they need to move quickly and fast, and throwing up roadblocks because of perhaps personal issues is only moving to set the trump transition back. >> why would he be intent on pushing out christie loyalists? >> you have to look at the history here. it goes deep and is very personal. couple of trump advisers have said look, part of the reason this has happened is because donald trump himself was not happy with the progress of the transition team. but if you look at the history
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between jared kushner and chris christie, he prosecuted kushner's father, sentenced two -- arranged a sentence for two years in prison for his father. throughout the course of this campaign, chris christie, one of the biggest early endorsements for donald trump. he and kushner have had to work side by side. talked to advisers, said look they managed it. it wasn't always comfortable. it was awkward. now it appeared jared was finally in a position because of performance or other reasons to push chris christie out. he has done just that. a lot of his closest allies have gone with him. anderson? >> phil mattingly, thank you very much. rudy giuliani's potential foreign business entanglements, very critical of hillary clinton in this regard, her tenure, specifically at the state department. and the clinton foundation. the clinton foundation to me is a racketeering enterprise and state depp was a pay for play organization.
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clinton foundation was a fraud. classic pay to play. she did favors for those very people who gave money to the clinton foundation. >> i think it's a racketeering enterprise. >> i would probably indict the foundation as a racketeering enterprise. turning the state department on play for pay operation. >> that was rudy giuliani during the campaign. now he's leading contender for her job as secretary of state and facing tough questions himself, the question tonight for senior investigative reporter drew griffin, is there any substance to them? what have you learned? >> there seems to be. he became america's mayor on september 11th, 2001, credited to keeping new york together on the path to healing in those final months as mayor. once out of the mayor's office, rudy giuliani became very rich, giving speeches worldwide, setting up a law practice and consulting firm and doing business around the globe. some of that business involved questionable actors in foreign countries that could now come back to haunt him if he should be chosen as the nominee here, anderson.
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we've been digging into the list of contracts tied to giuliani. they are extensive. one matter that has already haunted him back in 2007 when he ran for president, what his critics call a link between the state-run venezuelan oil company and his law firm. that client was citgo oil in texas, a subsidiary of the oil company owned by venezuela. it's come up before. it will come up again. likely be criticized for his work for the government of qatar, which hired him for help with the intelligence security. law firm had office in the united arab emirates, worked on deals for saudi arabia, bahrain. giuliani's law firm, anderson, was massive. hundreds of attorneys employed across the u.s. and the world. and among the contracts they had, he was hired to combat crime in mexico city, el salvador, columbia, chile, signed on to help political candidates in the ukraine. and dominican republic.
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it adds up to a lot of relationships, some countries that are not on the best of terms with the united states and added up to tens of millions of dollars in fees for rudy giuliani. >> can a secretary of state come into office with all those formal business deals around the world? >> you know, it is the biggest strike against giuliani right now. some of it coming from republicans. this is what senator rand paul said earlier today. >> i think it is worrisome, some of the ties to foreign governments. that was the big complaint with many of us with hillary clinton and her ties and the monies she received from foreign governments. whether you have divide loyalty is important. >> the other big problem giuliani may have, anderson, is over the iraq war. giuliani supported it. donald trump famously campaigned he did not. moving forward will these two men see eye to eye on foreign policy that giuliani would be asked to carry out. anderson? >> bringing the panel. all been very carefully vetted. by our transition campaign.
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-- sirius xm host, trump supporter jeffrey. democratic strategist. margaret, what about these giuliani ties? lot of people have business ties around the world. is it a problem? >> i have a hard time with the apples to apples comparison with the clintons. i mean, the hit against hillary clinton, which is running for president is that as secretary of state, her husband was taking donations for their family foundation from foreign governments, okay? i think that is a clear conflict of interest. it's clearly problematic. it would be problematic if rudy, as secretary of state, were somehow continuing to have business deals with foreign governments. but there's no indi -- clearly, that would cross a line. that would be improper. that would represent conflicts of interest potentially. you don't want that. >> is that a problem for donald trump and his family, to have business dealings overseas? >> yes. yes. that is going to be -- >> it seems like something they do have and will have. >> this is something they're going to have to unravel. apparently they are looking at it. it is something that -- boy
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scouts on this, my great grandfather, herbert hoover got every gift he received back to the government, believing it was a gift to the american people, before that was even legislated before they had to by law. that is the law. so there is a lot that's going to have to be unraveled and worked out on the trump team. but when it comes to rudy, i don't see any reason why he couldn't be secretary of state so long as he doesn't have any contemporary or current ties or business relationships. >> do you see one? >> a number of countries have been raised, venezuela, qatar. i think the real problem could be with real issues with iran. you heard how strong trump was during the campaign, talking about the iranian deal. if there's real problems, even if it's just appearance wise, i think that will be difficult. the reality is that donald trump's win was so unexpected he has a lot more flexibility. he owes very few people f he decides to take a risk on behalf of rudy giuliani, he will have more flexibility than barack obama or george w. bush would have had.
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>> the either question jeffrey, at this point for president-elect trump it's been expending political capital. every decision he makes expends a little bit and he has to pick and choose where he wants to expend that capital. >> this is the way of the world. i said to somebody in the trump circle the only thing worse than losing is winning. remembering as i do the reagan situation. you got immediately into a situation where you had reagan loyalists -- very similar to this situation. people who were loyal to ronald reagan forever and a day, very anti-establishment and the establishment of the day and if you were a bush person, you were suspected. he was the vice president. there is this to be expected here. i don't see anything different. he is going to expend political capital. he will find ways, particularly being donald trump, to use the presidency to engine gain some. >> paul, there's the irony of giuliani's criticism of hillary clinton and here now people are raising this question about him. but for anybody who has been in
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business life or government life, there's going to be red flags. >> absolutely. >> look at newt gingrich who has a whole business. talk about clinton, inc, there's newt inc. that might raise questions for him as well. >> rudy has raised millions of dollars to help poor people in africa fight off aids. oh, no, that's the clinton foundation. it is apples to oranges because got business entanglements that will be hard to unwind and now does president-elect trump. the thing about political capital, he should be gaining political capital from his appointments. george w. bush, elected in contentious election. very divide. bush brought in colin powell. i'm really honored and proud a man like that wants to serve in the bush administration. these are the sorts of signals that president-elect trump needs to be sending, honestly. i like rudy.
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a very able guy, but somebody is putting this out by the way. can i take it behind the scenes? it ain't the democrats, okay? the campaign is about screwing your enemies. >> somebody is putting it out there that rudy giuliani -- >> somebody inside trump land is stabbing rudy in the back. campaign is about screwing your enemies. transition is about screwing your friends. rudy is being screwed by his friends right now. >> come to washington. >> how do you see this transition? >> beyond the ethical questions, the question is, first of all, donald trump, maybe his biggest foreign policy attack on hillary clinton was her support for the iraq war and his supposed opposition to the iraq war. here's a guy who ran against lobbyists and now lobbyists in the transition. ran against the iraq war, brought a fervent supporter of the iraq war to be secretary of state. so does raise the question whether donald trump believes in any of this stuff. the second question is what qualifies rudy giuliani to be secretary of state? okay, attorney general maybe. he has been in law enforcement. he has never been a diplomat.
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he was a mayor. yes, he did rally the country and the city to some degree after 9/11. that's not foreign policy. he has now been a security consultant dealing with terrorism, i guess, homeland security. is there anything in his record that actually shows that he has dealt with the panply of issues that you have to deal with as secretary of state, especially when you have a president who is as ill informed as donald trump and desperately needs somebody who has that background? >> margaret? >> peter raises a fair point that republicans are raising now, too. the "national review" is saying as much. head tweeted the same thing today. as paul says this is a fight on the republican side about who will be the best republican to serve donald trump. >> the reality is that it's not even a fight. trump won, as he said, unshackled by paul ryan and the other classic republican support i think it's clear absent there being some real criminal misdoing or something that looks so bad he thinks it will meaningfully retard his efforts, he's going to take his
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chances and be unconventional. >> it is interesting how it seemed that -- how important loyalty is to donald trump. >> yes. >> we've seen this time and time again. we learned this on the campaign trail. we're seeing it. rudy giuliani was an early backer of donald trump. and part of any transition is rewarding those people who have been loyal, whether it's -- >> that's right. >> good or not. >> there is nothing unusual here about what's going on. donald trump is in the moment of putting his stamp on the government of the united states. it's going to be a trump government. that's the way it works. the old saying from the andrew jackson days goes, to the winner goes the spoils. this is how it works. >> what do you make of kushner, the stories that he's at center of a lot of this infighting, that some people describe things as a knife fight, clearly a purging of chris christie. >> somebody is putting that out too. i never met jared kushner. i hate going after family. i don't. kids are impressive. i'm sure the son-in-law is impressive. they're not children but adult
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children who are now assuming real power and influence. i suppose that makes him a target. i'm not ready to cast stones at him. this is clearly coming from inside trump land. people are attacking the president-elect's son-in-law. >> how common is that in a transition at this stage? >> never happened. nobody was attacking bobby kennedy when jfk was bringing him into the government. that was a different era. he has two jobs as president-elect, he has to unite our country, staff his government and can do both with some of the standings. that's why colin powell is the gold standard. or president reagan who you served reaching out to -- >> can i respond to something jeffrey said? to the winner goes the spoils. that's not the way our political system works. these positions have to be confirmed by the senate. three branches of government and what we have to hope and pray, given the republicans control everything, is that we have more people like rand paul who are actually asking tough questions about whether rudy giuliani is qualified to be secretary of state. i think most republicans, if you gave them a truth serum, would say no way in heck is he qualified to be secretary of state, no matter how loyal he was to donald trump.
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>> i do know jared kushner and think he's terrific. the way i can see this working out to model the reagan troika so that reince priebus has the and jared has the mike dever role. he's close to the family and understands donald trump's interest and is loyal to him. >> glenn beck joins us ahead and has plenty to say about donald trump's choice of campaign ceo steve bannon to be his chief strategist. he calls him a nightmare, his words. how the world sees the new president. you'll hear them when we continue. what's with the minivan? it's not mine. i don't -- dale, honey, is your tummy still hurting, or are you feeling better to ride in the front seat? oh! is this one of your motorcycling friends? hey, chin up there, dale. lots of bikers also drive cars.
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who has already gotten the call to serve, steve bannon, chief strategist and senior counsel to the president. bannon was trump campaign's ceo. before that he ran website and has been accuses of mainstreaming white national i ism through the site. democratic voice, senate minority leader harry reid who spoke out sharply today. jeff zeleny joins us now with that. he didn't hold back today. he was speaking on the senate floor, specifically what did he have to say? >> anderson, it was senator reid's first speech on the senate floor since donald trump was elected a week ago tonight. my, how so much time seems to have gone by. senator reid wanted to bring it back to the very beginning here, he called on donald trump to get rid of steve bannon, and said he had no right being steps away from the oval office. then he turned into a personal speech and explained why he said children are terrified. >> on wednesday, 7th grade girl
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awoke feeling frightened being a woman of color in america because donald trump was president-elect. if we ignore her voice and other voices, this seventh grader will be left to conclude that we, as a nation, find her fear acceptable. healing the wounds he inflicted will take more than words. talk is cheap and tweets are cheaper. healing is going to take action. but so far, mr. president, rather than healing these wounds, trump's actions have deepened them. one of his very first, if not his first official act, he appointed a man seen as a champion of white supremacy as the number one strategist in the white house. number one. everybody else under him. >> anderson, he also called on donald trump to rise to the dignity of the oval office and tell the country that he is going to be a unifier there. in very stark language that we
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seldom hear on floor of the u.s. senate. >> obviously president-elect trump doesn't have to run bannon's appointment by congress. what is harry reid's end game here? does he really think trump will listen to him? >> harry reid has been in this town a very long time and knows that the president-elect is mot going to listen to him. what senator reid is up to, i believe, is trying to send a message to democrats that it is okay, in fact proper, to fight donald trump, to push back on these things. there's a lot of consternation among democrats i'm talking to here in washington and elsewhere that president obama his tone has been too measured that hillary clinton said give him a chance. many democrats want to hear these fighting words. harry reid is taking his leave from the capital. he will never have to work with this president. that is why he is trying to leave with these fighting words here. it was really a message and clarion call to other democrats. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. our next guest has this to say about steve bannon, quote
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he's a nightmare and now is chief adviser to the president of the united states. glenn beck is founder of the blaze. great to have you on the program. >> thank you, anderson. >> before this election, obviously, you made it clear you were not a trump supporter. you were out there campaigning, first time you ever campaigned for a candidate, i think ted cruz. >> yes. >> who visited donald trump today, i'm told, at trump tower. late last week you said that president trump deserves a chance and you're going to stand with him. has something changed your mind? or are you saying that the president-elect deserves that chance? >> we have two responsibilities when it comes to an election as citizens. we have the responsibility to vote and then to honor that vote even if we disagree with it. that doesn't mean that we blindly follow. it just means we can't afford the president to fail. we can't afford any president to fail. it's getting worse and worse. anderson, you know, you and i have talked several times. i am concerned about the tenor
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of the nation and especially when it comes to the press on this particular issue when it comes to bannon. the alt right is real. it's maybe -- i don't even know. 1%, 3% of the trump vote. so we're talking anywhere between 300,000 people to 1.5 million people maybe. that's a lot of people. but it is not the trump crowd. >> right. >> they are being influenced without knowing it and for the media, who is distrusted on both sides but mainly on the right, to be talking about bannon and to be talking about the alt right, i really, truly fear that this is going to be something that they don't listen to and they don't hear the warning. in fact, they dismiss it. i want to be really careful on what is said. because this needs to be heard. >> let's talk about the alt right and what you -- how you see them. look, a lot of conservatives,
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you know, when they hear particularly, you know, folks on cnn or elsewhere or anybody talking about the alt right, an understandable inclination is to say, look, you're trying to brand all conservatives of being far right, alt right, bigoted, racist. that certainly is obviously not the case. >> correct. and it's the mistake that i made by throwing around the word marxist. there are marxists and there are people that are socialists. but the label of marxist takes on a whole new meaning. even socialist for a while took on a whole new meaning. now that's okay. i made this mistake and nobody on the right -- nobody on the left would listen. so, let's not make this mistake. i don't want to be part of that mistake. i want to make sure that everybody understands that the alt right is real. it is truly terrifying, in my
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opinion. >> who are they? >> only thing i can say about bannon -- >> explain to people who -- go ahead. >> let me do this. >> sure. >> i just wrote a couple of notes down. i want to say them exactly right. i want to quote. bannon said that breitbart is a platform for the alt right. this is 2016. he did an interview with sarah posner, describing brietbart as a platform, this is a quote, of the alt-right. the next thing that happened was brietbart told the right what the alt right is and who is the center of alt right thought and they said, in quote, an establishment conservative guide to the alt right under the heading intellectuals they identified richard spencer and steve sailor as the intellectual leadership running the websites considered to be the center of alt right. so let's just follow this. steve bannon said in 2016, to
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the "l.a. times," we have the platform giving voice to the alt-right. then they identified the two leaders of the center of thought. i want to give you some of the quotes. this is from richard spencer. our dream is a new society, an ethno state that would be the gathering point for all europeans. it would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the declaration of independence. then in 2013, today, in the public imagination, ethnic cleansing has been associated with civil war and mass murder. understandably so. but this does not need to be the case, end quote. he then later went on with "salon" where he was talking about the government, partnering with the government for sterilization of races. and he said -- this is a quote -- that way you could stilt enjoy sex. it's not like you're ruining their life. end quote. that's the first guy steve bannon identified as the center of the alt right that he gave
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breitbart a platform to. the second guy after katrina, steve sailor said, quote, look, let the good times roll is especially or risky message for african-americans. the plain fact is that they tend to possess poor native judgment than members of better educated groups. thus, they need stricter moral guidance from society, end quote. this is -- i do not believe that donald trump is a member of the alt right. i don't believe he believes any of this. i don't even think that donald trump is a racist. he is many things, but i don't think he's a racist. steve bannon, i don't know him. i know several people that work for him. i want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but, anderson, here is the real problem. the media doesn't have -- look, i don't have credibility with your viewers. and i know that. because i made mistakes.
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so the media doesn't have credibility. the media -- i just saw a new study today that said 5% of people who voted for donald trump said there was some disturbing things said in the media, but they didn't believe them. and if they would have believed them, they would have voted for hillary clinton or against donald trump. we have this lack of transparency, honesty, integrity. and this message about the alt right must be heard by the conservatives. they must take it seriously. separate and apart from any kind of politics. >> we're going to take a break. i want to talk to you more about this in depth when we come back. we'll take a short break. more with glenn beck after. for lower back pain sufferers,
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mean he agrees with everything in those headlines or articles. people as we all know websites publish that for click bait, to get people to click on it. do you -- can you draw a clear line between steve bannon and white nationalists and white supracists? >> just according to the l.a. times, his quote is breitbart is a platform for the alt right. then breitbart describes who the center of thought is and they are white nationalists. they're spooky guys. you know, i don't want to speculate beyond that. >> right. >> because i don't know firsthand. i can only take him at his word. anderson, honestly, there are people -- there will be people that will be, tonight, mad at you because you have put me on and you are normalizing me. i've seen this on my facebook posts. the media should stop
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normalizing glenn beck. okay. they're mad at you for that. but how could we -- i'm not a white nationalist. i'm a guy with a strong political opinion but i'm not a white nationalist. here is a guy who is taking his platform and saying, i'm going to give the alt right a voice in this country. anderson, i would never do that. you would never do that. cnn would never do that. we would never do that ever. no responsible person would. >> donald trump has said, look, on the campaign trail, his daughter is jewish, converted to judaism when she married jared kushner, his grandchildren are jewish, their children, the idea being that he would not support somebody who has anti-semitic beliefs. >> i don't make that claim on bannon. let me give you a scenario. i don't know what it is. i really don't. i know that he has said -- he
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has made it into a platform for the alt right and it has become that. so under his watch -- now what he believes, i don't know. he may just think this is a way to appeal -- who is easy to appeal to, traditionalism, nationalism. can we get a base that will really go out, 5% that will really be excited about him sn and really whip people up and use this extra 5%? and then don't believe them and want to discard them? yeah, he could be that kind of guy. people have done that before in history. i think that's just as dangerous, because if he doesn't believe it -- which i don't think he does. i don't know him, but i didn't think we even had a bunch of white nationalists around anymore, but we do. >> yeah. because that's also the -- conservatives traditionally and understandably have been upset about when people -- it's very easy to label somebody a racist. it's very easy to label somebody
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anything. >> yeah. >> and -- >> and i don't want to do that. >> right. what you're saying is you don't want to be that person doing that. >> right. and i don't want to do that even to steve bannon. i don't know. i do know that he has given a voice and power to that group of people. why, i don't know. but it's important because you don't empower people like that. you just don't do that. it's not smart. >> so, are you saying he should not be allowed in the white house, to be an adviser, a top adviser, one of the most powerful advisers to the president? or that donald trump needs to come forward and state very clearly where he stands? what do you -- >> i think he has already stated very clearly where he stands. i don't know if anybody -- look, anderson, the word racism has been thrown around, and racist, so much to good, decent people who aren't racist.
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they're just not. and, please, i know i'm the most imperfect messenger to bring this to you, but the word has been thrown around about everyone. and so it doesn't mean anything anymore. and the problem is, when you throw a word around like that all the time, then you begin to dismiss the actual racists. and we have to have a discussion, aside from politics, about this small group of people and how this european and really pro-russian nationalism is seeping into our country. it's very disturbing. >> and you're concerned -- >> european style -- >> you are concerned it is going to -- we showed harry reid on the floor. you're concerned it's going to be seen as this is a club being used by one political party against another? >> yes. >> and, therefore, easily dismissed by conservatives and others? >> yes.
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>> who, by all logic, should reject this very ideology? >> yes. 99% of those people who voted for donald trump are not alt righters. they are not racists. they've never even heard of the word. i never heard of it until about eight months ago and started doing my research. most people don't even think this exists. when they hear somebody on cnn or a harry reid say this, their immediate response is, oh, geez. okay. we're all racists again. and so it's really critical that we don't paint everybody with that brush, including steve bannon or donald trump unless you have real evidence. i know we have evidence that he is giving those people voice. he has empowered those people through breitbart. but that's all we know. >> i have to take another break. i'm blowing up my show. can you stick around for one more block? >> sure. >> okay. we'll take a quick break. more with glenn beck when we come back.
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we continue our conversation tonight with the blaze's glenn beck. i wanted to ask you about the fear that some people in america feel tonight and have felt this past week i think back to when president obama first got elected and, you know, many certainly in the media were following that story very closely. you didn't see a lot of stories on the evening news the day after president obama was elected about half the country who were in mourning or upset or angry or fearful, which the day after this election, i turned on some television show and they're interviewing a psychiatrist about what to do about the depression and the fear that you
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now feel. so, i preface my question with that, but what do you say to people tonight who, you know, for whatever reason do fear what will happen next? >> i understand. i hear you. i understand. i have felt that way before and didn't feel like anybody was listening to us and taking us seriously. >> you felt that way when obama was elected? >> yeah. i don't think like -- i don't think as deeply as people feel that right now. >> right. >> but, yeah. you know, we were called people that cling to our god and our guns and we just felt like, uh-oh, what is this? now -- so i felt that way and then we were called names and we started calling names and then it just got bad. i hear you. i understand you. i can relate to how you feel and part of me feels the same way.
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and, anderson, i read a story about california saying they wanted to secede from the union. california and oregon going around and wanting to secede, i remember everybody mocking texas -- texas has said that since 1840. it's nothing new in texas. that's what texas has been saying. and we were mocked for that. here is what i would really like to get. the balance of power of the house and the senate, the three branchs of government, executive, senate and supreme court. that's so important. that's why people like me, constitutionalists, have been saying, don't give the president so much power. the president should not be able to make me or you ever worried about what's going to happen in our personal life. he might be able to make us worried about our culture and what is he going to do to our culture.
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that, i understand, because of his bully pulpit. but he shouldn't be able to cause this much fear. the balance of power is out. when the balance of power is right and the government is right sized, california still can be california. it can be, in my opinion, as crazy as it wants to be. and texas, in other's opinion, can be as crazy as it wants to be. but we're still brothers in the union. and we're allowed to be ourselves. >> do you think. from what you've seen so far, it's -- there was a fear early on with conservatives about donald trump that, you know, he was more practical than ideological, and that, you know, he, himself, has talked during the campaign about, i can be anybody i want to be. when i'm down in palm beach, i can be one way, i'll be a different way in new york city, a different way in the white house and things are a negotiation. is that a concern of you, something that president obama said, he's more practical than he is ideological.
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do you think that's true of him? and does that worry you? >> i would -- you know, i would like a practical president, but i would like to have his practicality based on principles, and not just who i'm in the room with. and we wait to see that. hopefully, he's a very practical man. i hope celine azito said it best -- this is the best explanation of what happened last tuesday that i've ever heard, she said, the people like me took him literally, but never seriously. but his supporters took him seriously and not literally. i don't know which way to take him. and only time will tell. only time will tell. >> when you said celine, for a second, i thought you were going to quote celine dion, then i thought, glenn, how are you possibly going to bring celine dion into this. >> oh, my gosh! no. i'm not. >> yeah.
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glenn beck, i really loving you on. thanks very much, glenn. we'll continue this discussion. >> you bet, anderson. up next, president obama in his last overseas trip. how world leaders view the incoming commander in chief when "360" continues. ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. now lease the 2017 gla250 for $329 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. and like any skill, credit is a skill. you have to learn to walk before you can run. getting the experian app for free is a great place to start. it gives you access to your experian credit report alerts about changes in your credit... and customer service support to help answer your questions. so you can learn to be better.
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president obama arrived in greece today for the first stop in his final overseas trip. he had to do something he never imagined doing, vouch for president-elect donald trump. he also defended his own legacy and dismissed the notion he and other democrats underestimated trump's appeal to voters. >> did i recognize that there was anger or frustration in the american population? of course i did. i think at times of significant
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stress people are going to be looking for something and they don't always know exactly what it is that they're looking for. and they may opt for change, even if they're not entirely confident what that change will bring. i do believe, separate and apart from any particular election or movement, that we are going to have to guard against a rise in a crude sort of nationalism or ethnic identity or tribalism that is built around an us and a them. >> that's probably the president's most pointed response yet on trump's victory, as he meets with world leaders. this is not how, certainly, he expected to end his presidency.
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more now from michelle kosinski, who's traveling with the president. >> reporter: for a year he's been reassuring allies that a trump presidency would not happen, that his policies would continue. now president obama offers reassurance in a much different form. >> time will now tell -- >> reporter: as the world reacts, the greek prime minister, who had called what donald trump represents evil, today didn't want to criticize. >> translator: to be honest, i know very little of donald trump. not much is going to change in the relation. >> reporter: others not so reticent. the french ambassador to the u.s. tweeted then deleted, "a world is collapsing before our eyes. vertigo." iran warned that the u.s. should keep the nuclear deal. >> reporter: here in europe one poll showed that only 9% of people feel donald trump will do the right thing in world
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affairs. in china it was 22%. but just as president obama has been expressing resignation, even optimism, other world leaders offer congratulations and tenuous hopes. mexico's president, who had compared trump to hitler and mussolini, now talks about opening new paths of cooperation pf trudeau of canada, who had called for a ban on trump as long as he expressed "racist views," now says -- >> i'm going to work with president-elect trump's administration, as we move forward in a positive way. >> reporter: south korea now says it believes donald trump will pressure north korea over its nuclear program, and benjamin netanyahu called trump a true friend of the state of israel. britain's foreign minister, boris johnson, the brexit's most vocal supporter, even criticized the complainers. >> it's time we snapped out of the general doom and gloom about
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the result of this election and the collective drama. >> reporter: china says it wants to keep close contact, build a good working relationship, and meet with trump soon, which trump echoed, even though he had threatened a trade war during the campaign. but perhaps none are so welcoming as russia. ♪ parliament cheered when trump's win was announced, and vladimir putin's government has been in touch with trump's people during the campaign. >> but russia is ready and wants to restore the full-fledged relations with the united states. >> reporter: for now, publicly, the insults of the past are put aside, despite some deep concerns in private. michelle kosinski, cnn, athens. >> and there's much more 20 come in the next hour of "360" including our breaking news. the top democrat in the senate, calling on president-elect trump to rescind the appointment of steve bannon as top white house strategist calling him, quote unquote, a champion of white supremacists.
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