sunlen serfaty. >> it continues to be a turbulent transition for president-elect donald trump. among those on his team that are now out former congressman and cnn contributor mike rogers who had been a leading voice for months, a national security voice for months on his transition team, but who was closely aligned with former transition head chris christie. but amid all of this, top transition officials are continuing to push back, insisting that they're not in disarray. president-elect donald trump's transition team continues to turn over. now purging key members of their staff. >> sometimes in politics, there are people who are in and people who are out. >> reporter: multiple sources saying trump's son-in-law and close adviser jared kushner is at the center of the infighting and trying to oust all chris christie associates from the team. >> the peep whople who have bee asked to move on have some relationship with chris
christie. in my case, i was hired by him. there is a whole series about five of them that fit that criteria that were asked taleave in the last few days. >> reporter: kushner has a complicated history with christie. his father, charles, a real estate developer spending a year in jail after being prosecuted by christie an attorney in 2004. but a high-ranking trump insider is dismissing reports of infighting and says that the purge of christie loyalists is being mischaracterized. trump, too, is pushing back. defending the transition as very organized process taking place as i decide on cabinet in many other positions. i am the only one who knows who the finalists are. meanwhile a source with close knowledge of the transition says that kushner could likely end up with a top national security clearance as a key adviser to trump. fueling concerns over nepotism and a policy conflict of
interest as kushner's wife, ivanka, will manage the empire. a potential roadblock for one of trump's top contenders for secretary of state. former new york mayor rudy je l giuliani. his firm is being looked over by trump's transition team to whether his business ties with several foreign governments would complicate his confirmation. >> i think it is worrisome some of the ties to foreign governments because that was a big complaint about many of us with hillary clinton. >> reporter: meantime, donald trump breaking protocol, again, as president-elect. ditching his press pool of reporters slipping out for a late night steak dinner with his family tuesday. now, in the meantime, the president-elect himself this morning is pushing back hard against reports that he was pursuing and looking into the potential of getting some of thhis adult children top secret
national security clearance. he is pushing back on a tweet this morning saying, "i am not trying to get top level security clearance for my children. this was a typically false news story." chris and poppy, we know according to a transition source that all of this seems to have stemmed from one transition staffer with the department of defense without having the proper. let's bring in professor ron brownstein and national political reporter for bloomberg politics jennifer jacobs and cnn political analyst and "new york times" analyst patrick healy. let's put out all the freshest analysis. here is the latest trump president-elect tweet on it. very organized process taking place as they decide on cabinet. i'm the only one who knows who the finalists are. but he says everything is okay. but, you have to contrast that with elliot cohen. well-known conservative national
security expert. he goes there to meet with the transition team and he says this. after exchange with trump transition team changed my recommendation. stay away. they are angry, arrogant, screaming you lost. that is also known as the winner, but mike rogers, cnn analyst, former congressman, very tight with mike pence and chris christie just got dismissed from the transition team. he had this to say. >> they clearly wanted to make a change in this regard and, so, it came down that it was time they wanted to go in a different direction. i think there is some confusion going on about a chain of command coming out of new york. hopefully they'll get that settled pretty soon. i think they're going to need to do it because as this clock ticks, all of these decisions become more important and you have to make them sooner with a little more authority and a little more forward thinking to make sure that they don't bump into anything in the future. >> jen jacobs, can you relay the
anecdote you heard about rogers being told and who knew and who didn't know that reveal somewhat of what is going on within the team? >> a lot of back stabbing and infighting and hard to tell what the motivations are. they aren't necessarily always communicating with each other. i was told from someone within the transition team that they were told to call mike rogers and say, you know, thank you so much for your service, but you're dismissed and then an hour later another top transition official called him for a scheduled meeting and didn't know that he had already been let go. so, it's just that kind of, just not communicating with each other. i'm not so sure that mike pence knew that mike rogers was going to be let go. i got a lot of phone calls after i broke the story yesterday morning with people concerned saying mike rogers is a guy who commands real respect. this was the guy who was supposed to be setting up national security policies and setting up, you know, recommending staff. getting things, paving the way for donald trump's national
security team. and national security has kind of been a weak link for donald trump. they needed someone who is going to be gunning hard at this which mike rogers was. to yank him out there all of a sudden puts the brakes on whatever they were doing now. new people have to come in. it's just -- so, people were not happy about that. just like mixed feelings in trump world about yanking somebody who is such a key player, smart guy, pulling him out of there. >> reading jen's great story the thing you would come away feeling and then talking to people in trump land is that so much of this is happening on the fly. and you've got someone, jared kushner, who is not, you know, someone who comes out of a political organization who is making -- >> he's never done anything like this before. >> and he's making a lot of quarterbacking calls. it's not necessarily okay, we need to make sure that reince priebus and, you know, various sort of -- people who technically should be in charge and are being empowered know about these things.
so, the left hand knows what the right hand is saying. >> ron brownstein, to you. i wonder if we, the media, the american public, are focused more on this now and is it messy and how messy and to what extent because it is donald trump in terms of being an unknown quantity, having never served in public office before. how much do you think is that and how much do you think it is really messier than most transiti transitions? >> look, transitions are often messy. it's not unusual for a transition to be messy. but i think here, particularly in the foreign policy area, you do have a real issue because the most conspicuous breach between donald trump and the existing republican leadership was over foreign policy. you talked about with jim fallows the extraordinary letters from dozens of former top security officials and, ultimately, two former secretaries of state, condoleezza rice and colin powell saying he did not believe he had the temperament or experience to serve as commander in chief.
someone like mike rogers was seen as a bridge between trump victory and that entire world of expertise and knowledge and experience. now that bridge is gone. you have elliot cohen in that op-ed piece in "the washington post" going beyond the tweet saying this was not a normal campaign and not a normal transition and not a normal administration. i advise you not to serve. this is a real issue in terms of kind of whether trump is going to be the trump administration is going to be completely divorced from the kind of existing republican foreign policy, you know, kind of foundation that exists. and, so, i think there is a real issue here. understanding the transition is often kind of, look, a little chaotic. >> a conclusion that i imagine president obama would disagree with because even if you don't like what happened in the election and you don't like the complexion of trump's early stages, do you abandon the country when, arguably, they may need you the most. pat healy, to understand why this is going on. you keep hearing his supporters
of trump say, man, he knows how to build a great team. i would challenge anyone to show me a great management team that trump has ever built. not what he is known for. >> right. >> but he is known for loyalty. and you heard mike rogers say a new york power structure. right. raujse rogers is a d.c. guy. they're talking about kushner and the family. but loyalty is the most important thing in politics because perception is reality. and those who care about you most will help control the perception. so, can you fault trump for defaulting into those he trusts the most? >> no, i think in a way you want, you want a president who the country elected him, who sort of follows his instincts and who delivers on what he, you know, what he promised. that's what his voters are very much going to be looking for. trump is a loyalty guy. the trump organization. people like mike cohen have been there for a long time. these are the people that he listened to. >> he is a guy's name i'm
surprised you're not hearing more of by the way. >> more along the lines of steve bannon. very much involved behind the scenes and doesn't want to become, let's say, a lightning rod. >> he needs his best people around him. >> do you think right now his son is trying out for the white sox in chicago. >> that is true. he does have a pro-baseball try-out and they need him so much at the business, do you risk stability of the business to bring it into the white house. >> the conflict of interest argument, speaking of loyalty, there is also the more than complicated relationship between jared kushner and chris chris e christie, who is pretty much out, as well. remember when donald trump months ago was accused of saying something antisemettic and jared kushner came out and wrote this big thing supporting his father-in-law. he is not this for x, y and z. he has stood by his side through thick and thin and christie put his dad in jail.
>> jared kushner's father was the biggest don'ter or to the democratic governor at the time. had some things he did and chris christie had no choice but to prosecute these. these were egregious crimes. >> there was a tape involved. >> poppy always knows that stuff. you brought it up at 7:00 in the morning. always blaming the media. ron brownstein, what do you think about one other quick take here. he went to dinner at the 21 club, strong decision. didn't bring the press pool, controversial. why? >> well, you know, because when the leader, he is going to be the leader of the free world. and the long-standing norm is that the press, you know, has a protective pool following the leader of the free world because you never know what is going to happen at any moment. look, this is the not the first norm we have seen broken here. the failure to release the tax returns and the possibility of
having his children run his business rather than a true blind trust. i mean, lots of things. one last point we have been talking about. you know, they have already. if you think about the structure of government with reince priebus and steve bannon, you already have in essence two power centers. one that is tied into the existing republican leadership and one that reflects the alt right. now, i think, from the transition, you get the sense that there could be a third kind of structure. kind of an off the chart family kind of line of influence and decision making and that is, you know, you're talking about a lot of balls in the air in terms of who will have the ear of the president and what will set the direction. >> we certainly do, guys. thank you very much. by the way, jen, christine romans said you two were newspaper nerds together in college. >> yes, we grew up together. she is a great girl. coming up right now, president obama wrapping up his two-day visit to greece with the speech in the shadows of the acropolis and from there he
heads to germany. our michelle kosinsski joins us live from athens. >> spent his last day in greece touring the acropolis and now giving a speech to the greek people. he was asked questions directly about the outcome of the american election. something that has been largely on the minds of people and leaders around the world. and gone was his optimistic tone. i mean, he criticized republicans for what he called troubling rhetoric during the campaign saying that it played into people's fears and frustrations. and he warned against letting that kind of sentiment further divide society along certain lines. calling it it dangerous. well, his speech here today is expected to focus more on shared democratic values here where democracy was born. he'll probably make the case that austerity measures are not a path to prosperity.
he also made a case for further debt relief for greece. from here he goes to germany where he'll talk to european leaders about that, among other weighty topics and. you know, on debt relief and helping greece, that's something that the greek people are worried that president-elect trump will not help them with. chris? >> michelle kozsinski covering the president difficult, hanging out in greece, not so difficult. thank you for joining us. a developing story overnight from afghanistan. four people killed in a suicide bombing near the defense ministry in kabul. that is supposed to be a secure zone. no claim of responsibility yet. the attack coming just days after a weekend suicide bombing left four americans dead at the boggram air base. a possible break through
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administration will say, you know what, he does not represent what donald trump represents. senator rand paul at odds over donald trump's potential cabinet picks. some have blasted. republicans blasting trump's rumored picks so far, especially with regard to foreign policy and national security. is the gop gearing up for new battles over policy and appointments? joining us former speech writer for george w. bush and senior editor of "the atlantic." and jackie kucinich is with us. thank you for being here. just your read on what rand paul said there, jackie, just in terms of where you think all the leads are going to fall here. >> well, i mean, you did have, this is classic rand paul. i mean, john bolton is kind of the opposite of rand paul's libertarian noninterventionalist ideology. on the other side of the coin, you had lindsey graham tell
reporters is actually an asset. but it shows that trump -- this isn't a clear shot for some of the people that he is talking about for secretary of state and it will be up to him and his transition team to figure out how to navigate this. because that, that process of confirming these folks can be messy and it looks like it might be. >> now, one of the good things about covering this new administration will be we don't have to wait to know what the president will be thinking about thinks. he watches these shows in real time. he has been tweeting all morning his pushback to different headlines and different areas of reporting. he just tweeted, the failing "new york times" story and remember that president-elect suggested they were losing subscriptions and "the times" came out and said, no, subscriptions are on the rise. it's going so smoothly and, also, i have spoken to many
foreign leaders which have to response to their have not. the idea of chaos inside of a transition is not new. you are seeing deeper concerns about what kind of alliances are being set up. what kind of connection to the party and the power structure there is and that worries you going forward, why? >> because there is chaos and there is chaos. there seems to have been no plan in advance to check people, look for conflicts of interest to weed out people. i am most concerned -- when you hear of a debate between rand paul and john bolton, that is very near the realm of the normal. john bolton has worked in a government office before. he has known foreign policy views and you may approve of them or disapprove of them. maybe in a different administration he would be an undersecretary, not a secretary of state. but, still, reasonably normal. what is happening in the white house is not normal. at the central switching point of american government, you have
people who know nothing about how government works. who have only bitter relationships with the congressional majorities needed to pass the president's agenda and you have a president who has, obviously, lost control of his emotions and not been able to hide his feelings from the world and who tells us that he is running a process where nobody knows who the finalists are for these posts, which means no one is vetting them and checking them and running them past congressional leaders. >> jackie, when you look at secretary of state, such a critical appointment. the names being floated, two of the top names john bolton and rudy giuliani. here is the problem with bolton, one of the architects, big supporter of the iraq war which was trump was at the outset and changed his mind and said he was never in support of. with giuliani all his business times after he served in elected office, who his law firm represented. you know, business done with the government of qatar.
which makes it more difficult for which man and are there other names you're hearing. >> it's hard to say which makes it more difficult. with giuliani we have a replay of what hillary clinton was criticized for. >> which he bashed her on so much. >> well, never stopped him. but, still, you're going to see a replay of that. if they are not vetted internally, they're going to be vetted externally. that could be a heck of a mess for an incoming trump administration. and not, you know, altogether unreminiscent of the capitol hill clinton administration where you may have had people vetted put up and then when you start looking a that record, there are some problems there. so, it does, it would make sense. hen you see all these trial balloons going out. these random names being thrown out. so, we are trying to follow -- i feel like there is a new name every day. try to keep up with all of the things that the transition team or people around it are putting out. >> there is some reporting from
inside that team that bolton may be a trial balloon because they believe that rudy sets up very favorably to him. just to be clear and save us a couple angry phone calls later today. you can't say rudy has the kind of issues right now that he accused hillary clinton of having because those were about showing favoritism that people secretary of state have financial dealings with the administration. nobody can say that rudy did anything wrong abroad -- >> would there be conflicts of interest -- >> a conflict of interest to one person may be or an opportunity -- >> taking money -- >> have good, pre-existing relationships. >> i think we all have to be a lot less fussy with this administration. if you have run a complex organization before, you are already so many hundreds of miles ahead of some of the other people who are being put forward. so, be grateful. rudy giuliani was mayor of new york and ran a complex organization and he can certainly run the state
department. and when we get to the defense picks, again, have they run complex organizations before? the people who are running the white house have not run complex organizations before. and even donald trump on who ran this big company, he wasn't running general motors. he was running something that had a dozen employees in his headquarters and he managed the cash management was notorious cha chaos. the u.s. government can run itself to a certain degree but in a crisis it needs direction and that has to come from the center and the top. >> david, appreciate it. jackie kucinich, appreciate it, as always. much more discussion on this. i love frum's line, we have to stop being so fussy on what is going in on the transition. that leads you to the fundamental question. is what's going on with this transition really unusual and to a very extreme degree? what does it mean? we're going to get the perspective of a loyalist now to donald trump. someone who is on his team.
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congressman, always a pleasure to have you on the show. >> it's mine, good morning. thank you. >> while it is a blessing in the media to have such instant feedback from the man who will be president of the united states, i want to ask you about this mode of communication. we'll put up the tweets from the president-elect so far this morning. they've been coming in increasing pace. he seems to be upset coming out, he said i never asked for top level security clearance for my children. "the times" has it totally wrong on the transition. it's going so smoothly. i have taken tons of calls from several foreign leaders and he lists different countries. he says "the times" is just upset. do you advise this mode of rapid response by the president-elect going forward? >> you know, that's actually important and deliberative question. he said he wouldn't be president of the united states without his twitter account and i think he's probably right on that. he tapped it down quite a bit
over the last three or four weeks before the election and now we're back to some pushback against the media. i would say this, donald trump is president-elect and whatever he chooses to do, i say go right ahead. i don't want to give him advice on which way or the other on that because he has been the one that has been right most of the time on how this worked out. i would say to his family if donald trump, president-elect, wants to bring his family members into high-level positions where they would need security clearance, i do not have a philosophical or a legal or a logical reason why that shouldn't happen. i look back at john f. kennedy was elected he appointed his baby brother. i watched it pretty closely. by the way the security clearance that hillary clinton had should tell us something, too. this is a new era and a fresh start and we should give this president some room. >> couple of points. one, as you know, after what happened with the kennedys, lbj
put in, you have a legal reason not want to see him put his kids in high post because it's illegal. the ethical question, it's not just his kids, but his kids who are running this company of his and there is a concern about a conflict between what he does as president to help the country and what might happen just to help the business. isn't that a realistic concern? >> i think it's a realistic concern, but lisening to ttenin tone on donald trump, didn't know what the salary was for president of the united states. he said, no, i won't take the salary unless the law requires me to take one dollar a year. his interests go completely to the united states of america. he has a huge empire that he built that needs to be operated and run efficiently. i don't know how you could ever get to that point that you would assure everybody in the public that there wasn't some kind of cross over of knowledge base that would be helpful to the trump empire. i don't think it's unethical. him suspending his business
endeavors to serve our country. >> we have to see what that looks like. it's hard to see how he can divorce himself from the business based on what it is. >> chris, i would say from my own experience. i started a construction company 42 years ago. it's within -- actually, this dispatch equipment out of my house today. my mind is not in that business at all. my son owns it and runs it and i watch equipment come and go and talk to him about some of the things they're doing, but i'm not engaged in that at all. >> point taken. i would argue that this is different, but we'll have to see what it looks like. let me ask you about you, congressman. are you considering joining the cabin cabinet? taking a position within the administration. have you been approached? >> well, that would have to come if there were an offer and i'm open to having discussion with the trump administration. there has been a little bit of communication along the way and some rumors that float around. but at this point i would say they're focused on some of the cabinet positions and i think we'll see unfold here in the
next few days or weeks and then we'll see what happens after that. but i have, i think, great relations with most of the people that are very close to donald trump. i like them. i worked with them for years. i respect their intelligence and their principles and their ideology. if the president calls you and asks you to serve, you have to take that request very, very seriously. >> we'll wait and see what comes your way. you can get back to us on that. last issue for us this morning. cobach, secretary of state out of kansas, architect of immigration laws and helping out the administration in its transition planning on immigration. one of the ideas that he has put forth that may come back into the american legal system is a registry for muslim immigrants. now, that is a big red flag for a lot of civil liberties people. that's why it was taken out in 2011. the registry was put in place after 9/11 and taken out in 2011
because it was abusive of people's rights. do you favor a registry for muslim immigrants in this country? >> you know, it's not that hard to do. >> i know it's not that hard to do. is it right to do? >> i think under these circumstances -- i haven't digested this thing and looked at the aspects of it. i want to be careful before i walk into something because i don't want to step into unintended consequences. if we're bringing refugees into the united states and the u.n. has records that says these are muslim refugees and i think that's any -- >> not just refugees. they're saying any immigrants from target countries who they believe may sponsor terrorism who are muslim would have to register here and the men would have to come forward and have interviews on a regular basis. does that sound like the america to you? >> i'd say this, if the choice is to shut down all immigration from countries that sponsor,
countries that spawn terrorism. if that's our choice or to register muslims coming in, take a look at the balance of this and see what the results are. i don't want to think that is a crazy idea. >> that is not the choice, though, congressman. we don't have to shut it all down or have them all register? >> the third choice is to leave ourselves vulnerable without any way of tracking and have the terrorists pop up in this country in city after city killing the american people. >> you do have a way of tracking them and they don't pop up killing american people on any kind of measurable, you know, threatening basis. >> except to the families who are grieving their loved ones. and, no, i think this is significant and it's growing. we should always be heading off these problems early before they get big and before they get out of control and before they have a political support base in them. and i've spent time in geneva working with the u.n. commission on refugees positive i've gone down and been briefed by them and we can do a better job. i moved this to the refugee side
of the discussion and that's where america is focused right now. we can do a better job that we don't bring refugees into this country that are likely to turn into terrorists. europe is a model. if we look at europe, and now you're seeing the backlash all over that country and seeing violence in the streets all over europe because they did too much of this and left themselves too vulnerable. i don't want america to be vulnerable. i do want to take a good look at the idea. >> nobody wants america to be vulnerable, but the unique problems in europe. they have continuous borders, they let in exponentially more. congressman steve king, thank you very much for joining us, as always. >> thank you, chris. >> poppy, just a point for the audience. there is no significant growing trend of refugees killing people in america. >> exactly. >> just so we know that. >> point of fact. can't dispute that. laura ingraham is one name
donald trump back on twitter this morning and taking another hit on one of his favorite targets, the media. this morning it is "the new york times" here to discuss media correspondent brian stelter and media analyst bill carter. good morning, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> let's pull up the tweets. he's up early and watching the programs. here's what he's saying. so wrong on transition, it's going so smoothly and, also, i've spoken to many foreign leaders. then he tweets, i'm not trying to get top level security clearance for my children, this was a typically false news story and many more. this in the context of the fact that last night his spokesperson said he's down for the night and then he takes his family to dinner that 21 club leaving the press behind for the second time in the week and a half that he's been president-elect. why should this matter, brian, to the american public? >> he might enjoy ditching the
press, but normally president-elects travel with a press pool because those journalists are keeping track of the president on behalf of the american people. doesn't matter he went to dinner with his family, but the dinner, where he went, how long he was out for and if anything happened while he was out. if anyone confronted him. if there were protesters or fans. these reporters keep track of the first draft of history and that's why it matters, not just for us, but for the viewers. >> he seems to be having a struggle, the president-elect. separating what matters to him personally versus what matters to the position. these tweets this morning are irrelevant. he's good at pushing back against the media, but this is not what we've seen a president-elect do and it's not because of twitter as a mechanism of communication. it's what he focuses on. is this something that is going to be a legitimate point of concern for his ability to focus on what he needs to going forward? >> it's been the same pretty much throughout the campaign. he is sort of a personality.
the small picture gets his attention enormously. plus he's not particularly fact based. if something comes out and he says it isn't true, we don't know whether that's true or not. we've seen him constantly saying that didn't happen, that didn't happen, that did happen. >> the office that he now holds ver now the person. it is a totally different ball game. >> it should be. you would think it is going to be. i think he's still kind of in that mode. we'll see if he can transition -- everything is about a transition now. nobody ever been in this position before, i don't think, where he's had no experience at all in dealing with this. >> he has people around him who have no experience. makes the people who you put around you very important. brian, one of the positions that is getting a lot of buzz is press secretary laura ingraham. i think she's very formidable, especially with certain
political-base identity that she has. why do we care so much who the press secretary is? >> she is the liaison between the press core briefing room and the white house administration. so, she will be the public face of this white house, along with donald trump and a few others. she has indicated she is interested in the job and also interested in the white house communication job, which is more strategic. one way or the other it seems like she will end up in the administration unless there is a surprise coming down the road. she has been indicating her interest. >> big deal? >> big deal because she's been bashing the media for years. >> what should the american public know about it? >> underscores the fact that there is going to be a combat, i think, with the media. she has said that media that criticized conservative point of view, not just that they're wrong, but that they're anti-american. she has really attacked people for disagreeing with her. >> question the patriotism of journalists. >> it's a signal that this is going to be combat and h
hostility. >> whether it's tweeting about "new york times," ditching the press pool or not having interviews and he will be hostile. >> he won't stop doing that until it stops working for him. >> all about the approval ratings. >> we'll see -- megyn kelly making her rounds with anderson cooper tonight. in this book, a lot of buzz of the victimization of megyn kelly as she sees it by donald trump. any truth to this suggestion that in the book she tells the story about hearing that trump was upset about what he was supposedly going to be asked in a debate early on about him and women. is that story in the book? >> yes, it seemed like he was working ahead of that famous first debate where she asked him about his record on misogyny. >> she puts that in her book. >> that's right. >> she never mentioned it to her audience, though. >> that's right. >> she was going after cnn about donna brazille and rightly so
never brought this up in what trump may have known. >> that is right. seemed like she was withholding it for the book. we both wrote books and both had to give up details we were learning for our books before we wanted to in "the new york times" because that's how it works. >> if you're a journalist. if you're a journalist. the question is, is that not her standard because she is really a commentator. >> look, she's crossed over as a pretty serious interviewer. but in this context, you really have to say, what was her motivation? her motivation to sell books and get a big contract? all of these are questions and i also wonder why doesn't she point out that she had every opportunity when she did one-on-one with trump, a personal interview, that she could have brought up these facts. why did you bully me and try to degrade me? she didn't do it then. she did it in the book instead. >> she's been a voice of reason on fox. she is a journalist and she's been doing a stand out job speaking out about what the consequences of a bullying president trump are. >> just saying, when you know
something about one side and you know something about the other, you say both. you don't play to advantage. and you don't play to advantage for yourself and make yourself the story. that's not what journalists do either. anyway, gentlemen, as always, appreciate it. thank you very much. president-elect donald trump facing conflicts of interest as soon as he heads to the oval office. but, remember, we never had a president like him before with the kind of business interests that he brings in that go all around the globe. what is the right level of disclosure? next. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.
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welcome back to "new day." donald trump is facing several potential conflicts of interest due to his many, many businesses and his business ties around the globe. how could his new title, president-elect, and then president, affect all of that? government and politics reporter at the "new york times" has a fascinating new story out about exactly this. he joins me now. we're going to play with the magic wall. let's talk about, there is trump and his family and all of the businesses. let's begin with the glaring one. the brand new d.c. hotel that they opened up that he went and cut the ribbon at just a few weeks before the election. they've leased it from the government. they pay $250,000 in rent a month. a lot of money.
and the general services administration, the issue here is, guess who's in charge of appointing the head of the general services administration? him. >> the president, yes. it's just an incredible situation where you've got a property, a trump property, where they're going to be having to negotiate with an agency where the president appoints the head of the agency. and the gsa, the agency involved has already said that they're looking at this and they're going to be putting things in place just sort of putting it on their radar in order to avoid and try and avoid any potential conflicts. but it's already right there. just blocks away from the white house on pennsylvania avenue. this new hotel. >> all right. he's been in a number of legal discussions with lawsuits around unionization, right? the national labor relations board, the nlrb which represents the unions, basically, they've been in a legal battle now for a long time. especially in las vegas, the culinary union there, trump lost that battle. they're going back and forth with them. it's not the only one. there are other labor union disputes.
when you look at what could happen there, in terms of, you know, who oversees his staff and heads the nlrb again his business interests are directly tide to that. >> yes, and this is a hotel in las vegas that he owns with another individual. the national labor board, it's appointed by the president and involvement in their ruling. they have rulings potentially before and against various workers. in this case they rude against them just days before the election. >> what will happen as president? it's not all sorted out yet. >> it's not all sorted out. i'm sure all these agencies are trying to put things in place but it's going to be messy. >> is it fair to say these agencies have never had to deal with something like this before in a president? >> pretty safe to say. >> all right let's move on. we've heard this a lot the family. and the blind trust. who will run the businesses. you knew rudy giuliani on "state of the union" with jake tapper said you've got to trust the president. you've got to have trust in him
and he will do right by this because he said he can't put his kids out of work. now here's the thing, federal law actually exempts the president and vice president, right, susan, from not profiting from their own businesses. they can. they just don't have to disclose it. but there's something else? >> well, it's interesting you mention something at the outset which was the word blind trust. right now the way it's being discussed there will be blind trusts, the children will be in charge of it, and that's not blind. in order for the trust to be blind you have to not know what's in it -- >> they're all -- on his transition team. >> exactly. it's like somebody said to me like putting a gold watch in a box and pretending you don't know the gold watch is there. you know it's there. but there are still things even though there won't be a blind trust he's not subject to that while other lawmakers and government employees potentially are. if they have these massive holdings. but there are other federal laws that potentially could come into play including bribery law and then the one that you mentioned which is the receiving of
payments not only from foreign governments but from -- from individuals with ties to foreign governments. >> for example china. >> one media point of interest that we were looking at was the bank of china as a tenant in the -- if the trump tower and also partnerships that donald trump has with real estate ventures. >> right. >> one of them has a massive loan -- >> and rent ain't cheap in any trump tower i can tell you that. before i let you go. three big buildings on the upper west side of manhattan by the hudson river. i've seen them for years driving up the highway, they're all trump buildings. now the name is no longer >> no longer. that's an interesting situation where buildings that are managed by donald trump, he doesn't own them, and the tenants have decided they want the names off. they want the trump name off the building. >> hmm. so that's happening. >> yeah. >> it's a fascinating read in the times. susanne, thank you very much. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. there are people who are in, and people who are out.
>> power, struggle, at trump tower. >> you want to have a diplomat in charge of diplomacy. you don't want a bomb thrower. >> it would be an honor to serve the country again. >> is there anybody better? >> maybe me, i don't know. >> is jared keuschner behind the transition trouble? >> the president's going to be judged on the results of this administration. >> donald trump needs to banish the bannons of this world from his administration. >> talk is cheap. >> it is real. it is truly terrifying. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, welcome to your "new day." it's wednesday, november 16th. 8:00 in the east. alisyn is off. poppy harlow joins us and we have our competing lists of president-elect trump's tweets this morning. >> four so far. >> we have different ones circled. we think they mean different things. very different feedback from the top leader in our country. up first, no new cabinet hires coming out of president-elect trump's transition so far but
there are a lot of pink slips going around. why? are there problems with the transition? is it personality based? is it ideologically based. we have a lot of new reporting for you on that. we're going to get to it right away. >> we are also meanwhile the president-elect went to dinner last night with his family. in manhattan. he can do that. nice restaurant. 21 club. but he did not let us know. did not let the press know. this matters because it is the second time since he won the election that he breached that long-standing protocol. we'll get into all of it ahead this morning. cnn has every angle covered starting outside of trump tower in manhattan. good morning. >> good morning to you poppy. well this continues to be a rocky transition for president-elect donald trump among those on his transition team who are now out is former congressman and current cnn contributor mike rogers, who had been one of the leading national security voices on the transition team for months. but he was closely aligned to former transition head chris christie.
amid all this, top transition officials are pushing back hard on all these reports, denying their in disarray. president-elect donald trump's transition team continues to turn over now purging key members of their staff. >> sometimes in politics there are people who are in and people who are out. >> reporter: multiple sources saying trump's son-in-law jared kushner is at the center of the infighting in trying to oust all chris christie associates from the team. >> the people who have been asked to move on have some relationship with chris christie, in my case, i was hired by him. and so there's a whole series of about five of them that fit that criteria that were asked to leave in the last few days. >> reporter: kushner has a complicated history with christie. his father, charles, a real estate developer, spending a year in jail after being prosecuted by christie, then a u.s. attorney in 2004, for tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign contributions. but