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merkel has been criticized in the past by donald trump. >> we will take you to berlin when that joint news conference begins. we could learn a lot. right now let's focus on the trump transition. for that, let's -- joining us now is republican senator of south carolina, lindsey graham, who of course ran against donald trump in the gop primary. senator, it is great to have you. >> and lost. >> and lost. that goes without saying, senator. >> that goes without saying. >> when you woke up wednesday after the election, what did you think of the results? >> i was surprised. i bought into what a lot of people were saying. she underperformed and donald trump ran a campaign that got a lot of blue collar democrats to vote for him. he is now president of the united states and like every other election, once it's over, it's over. he's got a lot of challenges ahead of him. i want to help him where i can. if i disagree, i disagree. >> have you had a chance to speak with the president-elect since the election? >> nope. nope.
nope. i'm sure he's very busy trying to put together his team. i'm in the book. call me if you need me but don't worry about lindsey. i will be here helping where i can. if i can't help you, i will tell you up front. i won't blind-side you. about cabinet ikpicks, that see to be the topic of the day. >> let's talk about that. let's talk about the cabinet picks. we have to make sure also that trump has your cell phone number because you had to change it after he handed the last one out. let's talk about cabinet picks. let's talk about rudy giuliani as secretary of state. you have said you are supportive of rudy giuliani for secretary of state. there's also another name out there, john bolton, for secretary of state. you are supportive of him. someone who is not, senator rand paul. he has called bolton totally unfit. he has called giuliani, said giuliani will have a stiff uphill climb. what do you say to rand paul? >> you can put the republicans in a very small car who is going to follow rand paul's advice when it comes to national security.
he is my friend, he's a libertarian, he's an outlier. overwhelming majority of republican senators have the utmost respect for rudy giuliani. he led the nation and new york through 9/11. he's a citizen of the world, eminently qualified. john bolton was u.n. ambassador under president bush. he has been my friend for 20 years. he's a reformer. he would turn the state department upside down and make it work better. he knows where the bodies are buried in the u.n. and we see the world very similar. i think overwhelming majority of republicans would support both candidates and democrats would, too. i would tell my democratic friends, i voted for virtually every cabinet appointment of president obama and you will never convince me that rudy giuliani and john bolton are not qualified to serve at this level so i'm confident there will be democratic support, bipartisan support for both of them. >> we are talking about mayor giuliani, some of the things that have come up over the last few days, the work he did as a
lawyer and consultant for other countries, including the nation of keeshqatar, including giving speeches to an iranian dissident group. none of this concerns you? put it another way, do you think this should all be discussed in a confirmation hearing? >> it should all be discussed when it comes to the iranian group. i have tried to be helpful to them because we promised after the fall of iraq we would give them protected person status. these are iranians who are in iraq that oppose the regime. we will look at rudy's dealings but to my democratic friends, if you thought hillary clinton was qualified to be president, then given all of her conflicts and allegations against her, i hope you will find rudy giuliani acceptable to be secretary of state. we will not tolerate a double standard here. >> but hang on one second. you are talking about double standard, there are a lot of people on your side of the aisle who did not think hillary clinton was qualified to be
president for just those reasons. >> all i can say is i didn't think -- i didn't oppose her candidacy because of the relationship she had with bill clinton. i opposed her candidacy because of her policies. bring it up if you would like but i will tell my democratic colleagues that all of you have fallen behind the clintons all these years and that rudy giuliani, whatever he did or may not have done, needs to be discussed, but his qualifications to me are beyond reproach. you will never convince lindsey graham that rudy giuliani is not qualified to be secretary of state. when it comes to john bolton, i know him very well. he's one of the most gifted people i have met in terms of foreign policy. he understands the way the system works. he was a great voice for reform in the united nations and if he is secretary of state he will understand who our friends and enemies really are and will be a good adviser to a president facing many challenges. >> senator, what if rand paul, a republican senator, filibusters
either of these men? >> well, he can't filibuster because harry reid changed the rules when it came to appointments. so rand paul makes you want to think it's 52-48. here's what i believe. i believe either candidate, either nominee, it could be anybody, if it's nikki haley i will support her. she's very talented. if it's newt, i will support him. we are talking about john bolton and rudy giuliani. the fact rand paul would oppose them is not going to keep them from serving because most republicans would enthusiastically support them and they will be democrats who will support them because they're qualified. >> you think it's a done deal regardless of what rand paul is saying? >> i think we could get either one of them to the senate because they are qualified and i would tell every democrat, i'm asking no more of you than i ask of myself. i voted for loretta lynch, for holder, for kerry, i voted for secretary clinton. i think bolton and giuliani are eminently qualified for the job and there will be bipartisan support.
it's up to donald trump. i'm going to support his nominees if i can because we all owe that to him. they have to be qualified. i think these people are. >> one person donald trump is meeting with today is your governor, nikki haley. cnn is getting word that she's being considered for secretary of state. we were just talking about mayor giuliani and john bolton along those lines. i'm sure you're supportive generally of nikki haley. does she have the experience to be secretary of state? >> i would say she did a good job as governor of south carolina. she's talented, she's capable. i think she could do a good job in any assignment given. i don't know about her foreign policy. i haven't really talked to her. her husband was in the south carolina national guard. he deployed to afghanistan. i think she's a traditional republican when it comes to foreign policy, probably more like ronald reagan than rand paul. at the end of the day i would support her. but we are talking about two people supposedly going to be
blocked by rand paul. i just want the country to know that i think rudy giuliani and john bolton are eminently qualified for the job and would get bipartisan support if the president-elect chooses to nominate them. i certainly would support nikki haley. i like her a lot. she's very talented. >> let's talk about another important position that is facing donald trump right now. the supreme court. one person that was seen surprising many to go into trump tower this week is senator ted cruz and what may surprise folks even more is that you have suggested that maybe senator ted cruz could be donald trump's pick to fill the vacancy in the supreme court. that made some of us who have followed you for a long time say the following. what? >> what? >> so here's what i think. we are replacing justice scalia. a great jurist who was probably the most conservative person on the court. ted cruz is a constitutional
conservative, very very smart, in the mold of scalia. the people on the list that i have seen potential picks, i could support them all. i just suggested that if you are looking for a scalia type figure, somebody to replace judge scalia in their image judicially, ted cruz would fit the bill. >> is this you feel he is qualified for the job or more you would like to get him out of the way? >> i think ted cruz can serve in the senate, on the court or in the cabinet. i like ted cruz. we have our differences. even his worst critics cannot say he's not one of the smartest people you have ever met. >> you were one of his worst critics, senator. >> yeah, i have been at times. at times. because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean you take your disagreements to the point that you can't recognize reality. nobody can tell me ted cruz is not a constitutionally gifted talented lawyer. because he is. we do have areas of agreement.
i think he would be a great judge but it's up to donald trump. i just suggested if you are looking for people like scalia, take a look at ted cruz. >> senator, one of the phrases we keep hearing from you is it's up to donald trump. he does get to nominate the people he nominates. he gets to hire the people he's going to hire. >> people 200 years ago figured that out. not me. they were way ahead of me. >> but look, you are a senator, you have oversight over the issues of cabinet appointments. i think it's not unusual to have opinions about who the president hires to be the white house staff. one of the people we are hearing this morning who may end up with some kind of senior advisory role inside the white house is jared kushner. his son-in-law. the "wall street journal" has a report today that says he will end up as a senior vadviser. we do know he's very close to the president-elect and has a role in the transition. do you think it's appropriate to have your son-in-law working for you in the west wing? >> that would be fine with me. it shows they got a good relationship. i don't know how many
father-in-laws would pick their son-in-laws to do anything. the bottom line is he's going to need all the advice he can get and if he thinks mr. kushner is an indispensable part of him being president, i'm all for it. i don't think it violates any nepotism law. i know people are concerned about that. i know people are concerned about the business dealings of the trump family and how it relates to the presidency. that's all fair game. but when it comes to mr. kushner, i'm all for him being able to help president trump in any fashion the president deems appropriate. >> for a lot of folks who covered the campaign and covered you for a long time, hearing the words i'm all for donald trump having whomever he wants around him, i want to help him where i can, it is surprising. we don't need -- >> you shouldn't be surprised. >> we don't need to look too far in the past, you spent a year in the campaign going up against donald trump, ridiculing donald trump. this man we do know, he rewards loyalty. as you stand here today, are you worried at all about backlash,
about retribution of a trump presidency? >> absolutely not, because i'm going to be the best i know how to be. i campaigned for john mccain. i was his right hand guy. i was his wing man. we campaigned against barack obama. barack obama won. i did what i thought i could as a senator from south carolina to help the president. i voted for almost every pick he made. i voted for sotomayor and kagan not because i would have picked them, because i thought they were qualified. if you know anything about me, you shouldn't be surprised. i can tell you, if i disagree with the president, i have a different view of russia. i don't think putin's our friend. i'm going to investigate along with my other colleagues the role russia is playing in the world, what they have done in the mideast and syria, what they have done to the baltics, what they are trying to do, what they have done to the crimea and what role if any they had in terms of hacking into our elections. i'm going to push back when i need to push back but my
philosophy is pretty sound here. i try to help presidents, including donald trump, because he's president and congratulations to donald trump. >> well, i'm glad you brought up russia. i was just going to ask you, besides russia, because you just brought it up, where do you see differences that you do intend to stand up to the president-elect on? >> i don't know what he's going to do with assad but i see assad as a butcher of damascus, that his continued presence in syria throws the mideast in complete turmoil. i don't see assad as an ally or friend of the united states. i'm trying to basically -- on immigration we disagree. but let him send over a proposal. here's what i will do. i will vote for any bill that secures our border, increases legal immigration, controls who can get a job through the national e-verify system. but i'm not going to vote for a bill that can't tell the difference between a grandmother who has been here legally and a drug dealer. i just can't go there. so i want to work with him where i can. i will do for him what i have
tried to do for every other president, help them, but also stand up when i need to. i have done that. i can say i did it to bush, obama and i will do the same for donald trump. >> senator lindsey graham, great to have you. always interesting. >> all right. bye-bye. >> senator rand paul in his small car right now. his good friend senator rand paul. >> what kind of car is that? >> fascinating. we are watching berlin right now. president obama and the german chancellor angela merkel will step up to the microphones and speak shortly. live pictures. we'll be right back. we asked people to write down the things they love to do most on these balloons. travel with my daughter. roller derby. ♪ now give up half of 'em. do i have to? this is a tough financial choice we could face when we retire. but, if we start saving even just 1% more of our annual income... we could keep doing all the things we love. prudential. bring your challenges.
showing you live pictures, waiting right now to hear from president obama and german chancellor angela merkel in berlin for a joint press conference. very interesting to hear wa they have to say. let's get a preview of what we are waiting for. michelle cosinsky is live in berlin for us. >> reporter: we know the president has had quite a bit to say post-election. we heard him try to be upbeat and optimistic despite everyone knowing how he must really feel
about how it turned out. he didn't want to show that. the second press conference we have heard from him, he was more introspective, almost warning about the potential of how things could go. all eyes are now on this. when you think about not just americans wanting to hear more from him on his thoughts on the transition, on what this means for these pressing issues that he's been working on with european leaders and then europe, which has also felt the strains of populism and nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment and that growing wave here, they too want to hear what president obama says. so this was originally supposed to be the kind of trip where after the election happened, he speaks to his closest allies that he worked so well with on these issues and says to them okay, we got through the election, here's how things go, we're okay, and the outcome was much different than he expected.
so he can't really offer them a whole lot of reassurance here. he can't offer them much clarity at all because no one knows other than donald trump and his inside team what he's going to do on some of these initiatives like the fight against isis, the paris climate agreement, dealing with the refugee crisis. how are his strategies going to change what these countries have been working on together. >> yet the president finds himself going from nation to nation now in a way trying to reassure many of these leaders of the countries that do have questions as sort of an unlikely ambassador for president-elect donald trump. thank you so much. again, we are looking at live pictures from that room where any minute now, president obama and angela merkel will step up to the microphones and make statements. they will take questions from the press. the president faced a lot of questions about president-elect donald trump and the transition. joining us to discuss, cnn political reporter nia-malika
henderson, elise labat, david fahrenthold and david gergen, and historian professor at princeton university, julian zelzer. also, patrick healey. you had to wait so long for your introduction -- we just spoke to senator lindsey graham of south carolina, and were talking about the fact the governor of south carolina, governor haley, is at trump tower today for meetings. this is a really interesting meeting. she was critical of donald trump during the primaries. donald trump was critical of her. now we are hearing she could be up for secretary of state. how real is this? you have some reporting. >> right. this is a real meeting. what trump advisers say is that he very much wants to get a feel for her and see if she's willing to be a team player, willing very much to follow his lead, if she was secretary of state, for instance, how she would work with mike flynn if he was national security adviser. but a couple of -- one adviser
particularly made a cautious note. this adviser said not sure how president-elect trump is going to feel about governor haley right now. very tough words for him during the primary. so this isn't like getting close to a job offer. this is sort of more feeling out. the concern is that right now, we are just hearing about a pantheon of white men on these potential cabinet, sort of cabinet lists and the concern is okay, we need to find somebody other than sort of floating sarah palin's name out there and governor haley is respected, she's seen as someone who can speak possibly truth to power, she's also a woman of color. she would be sort of an outside the box choice. if he's not going to pick a democrat, nikki haley is somebody who would be an interesting choice. >> fascinating, the meeting is going on today. nia, i want your take. a lot of this week, there has been talk of turmoil or not turmoil going on within trump tower. publicly you hear from team
trump that everything is fine and going smoothly. privately, from what i'm hearing from inside trump's world, is the talk of turmoil was coming from those who have been pushed out from the transition and that it sounds like quite honestly that those inside trump's world didn't like the plan that was presented to them for transition by chris christie and now -- we have seen kind of the fallout from that. what are you hearing now? >> you know, you do find, obviously the trump team saying publicly he tweeted everything is fine, there's nothing to see here, and they are now starting to do these daily conference calls where they talk about the transition process and what reporters and what the public should start to expect. i do think this is very much a continuation of what we saw from campaign trump. there was often turmoil, some of it was caused by turnover from campaign managers, there was turmoil often caused by trump himself saying off-color things.
but you know, at some point he's going to pick folks, looks like if you listen to senator graham there, there's not going to be a lot of problems in terms of the confirmation process, so in some ways, everything i think is going to lead up to what we know which is donald trump being sworn in as president and the real question is what does he do, what is his vision and here we are in the shadow of obama and merkel talking about what their vision is and in many ways, whatever they say isn't really relevant anymore. there's a new administration coming in very shortly and all this turmoil we saw on the campaign that we are seeing in the transition, ultimately none of that mattered from the campaign trail. he got elected, it worked for him, it was his style. now we see that playing out with this transition process where he's essentially parading people in front of the public and doing these sort of public interviews and public vetting of these candidates. >> david gergen, we were just speaking to senator lindsey
graham of south carolina who had been a vocal opponent of donald trump. senator graham made clear the president-elect will get what he wants. senator graham, his former opponent of donald trump, will help make sure he gets what he wants. one of the things that the president-elect seems to want, we think he wants, is his son-in-law jared kushner in the white house as some kind of senior adviser. you have worked inside a white house or two or three or four. what do you think the effect of that would be on the staff? i'm just struck by if you are a white house staffer, even a senior staffer, and the president's son-in-law says this is the way it's going to be, this is the way it's going to be. >> well, donald trump as lindsey graham said is entitled to choose the people he wants around him. it would be a surprise to me if jared kushner went in. you will have a three-headed sort of operation in there with the chief of staff, mr. priebus, with mr. bannon and now with jared kushner. there are going to be a lot of
staff members who are not quite sure where the real power is and there could be potential for a lot of collisions. i think the more important question is what happens to the conflict of interests that are going to be represented by mr. kushner having a lot of outside business dealings. he has a pretty massive business he runs a real estate business himself so those are very very serious issues, these conflicts. i have to tell you, i am fascinated by the fact that donald trump has governor haley in there talking about being secretary of state. she's a very good governor and many thought she might be a vice presidential candidate on the ticket. but her foreign policy credentials are rather thin. lindsey graham, her senator from south carolina, said he never had a conversation with her about basically about international affairs. it does suggest giuliani/bolton possibilities have hit snags of one sort or another and he's searching around. but nikki haley would be a very
big surprise, a very big surprise if she were chosen as secretary of state. >> one trump adviser also said nikki haley possible secretary of commerce candidate. she's done a lot to move jobs into south carolina. if the message is partly going to be -- >> that would be a much more logical choice. >> bringing jobs back. there's another question david got at if i may just briefly. jared kushner, white house staff, doesn't have to be confirmed. he's pretty close to reince priebus. in terms of -- >> they are reporting bannon and reince priebus want kushner there. >> because they know kushner is the one who could back them up the best with president trump. a question we haven't gotten to is what would chuck schumer do here. what would the democrats do. you have lindsey graham on saying oh, all these guys will get their way but chuck schumer and the democrats have to decide which fight are they going to pick. is it over rudy giuliani on secretary of state and trying to bring that -- >> i think they don't need them
on a lot of that. i think the story with the graham interview is partisan polarization is working. the republicans are not going to buckle and they are going to act as a united front. graham was very clear on that. i think the democrats are actually hamstrung on a lot of this. >> they will want to do some damage. they will pick some kind of fight. >> elise? go ahead. >> listen, i think the whole idea of nikki haley, david is right, it's a very surprising choice. there's a little bit of psych-ops going on trying to float some trial balloons, see who would stick, see who gets favorable coverage. this president-elect and soon to be president is the most media-conscious president and he wants to get good reception about some of these names that he's floating out there. john bolton, rudy giuliani, you know, those names have been controversial. rudy giuliani more for his international business, questionable business dealings and john bolton for a very tough
confirmation at the u.n. and also some ideas that mainstream republicans don't agree with. i think mainstream republicans some candidates like john ound - bolton, possibly rudy giuliani, that have a little bit more international experience. this is sending such an important message to the world. world leaders are very confused about the foreign policy that donald trump is putting out. they want to see some signals about the people that he's going to support for secretary of state, for secretary of defense, for national security advisers, that will give them more of a feeling about what the world view is. donald trump is sitting down today with the japanese prime minister abe with having not been briefed by the state department, not being briefed by the defense department, so he's kind of winging it. so i think the world leaders are looking for a little bit more stability and a sense that he's doing this a little bit more methodically to get a sense of what u.s. foreign policy is going to be going forward. >> guys, hold on one second.
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all right. berlin right now. german chancellor angela merkel and president obama for a joint news conference. let's listen in. >> translator: i'm delighted to be able to welcome today for the sixth time, the president of the united states of america, barack obama, to germany. in his capacity as president of the united states, let us remind ourselves after visiting us in his capacity as candidate here in berlin, we then met again, we saw each other when he gave a speech, we met again at the g-7, and today he is again here in berlin. so eight years are coming to a close. this is the last visit of barack obama to our country, to germany. i am very glad that he chose
germany as one of the stop-overs on this trip. thank you very much. thank you for the friendship you have always demonstrated. thank you for the reliable friendship and partnership you demonstrated in very difficult hours of our relationship so let me again pay tribute to what we have been able to achieve, to what we discuss, to what we were able to bring about in difficult hours come to mind, as i said, those that had a bearing on the cooperation of our intelligence services and i'm very grateful that barack obama as president, very much put protection of privacy on the agenda. today due to islamist terrorism all over the world, we recognize how important the cooperation with intelligence services first and foremost also with the services of the united states is. we need this cooperation. let me say this from a german perspective, very clearly and unequivocally. our bilaterl relations are very
good, they are very close in the areas of business, of the economy, the united states of america last year were our most important trading partner. both for germany and the european union. the european union and the united states of america are the big important economic areas for us which is why i always have come up strongly in favor of including a trade agreement with the united states of america we have made quite a lot of progress that cannot be stopped, those negotiations, but we will keep what we have achieved so far and i'm absolutely certain that one day we will come back to what we have achieved and build on it. because that is my deep conviction. globalization and i think we share this conviction, is that globalization needs to be shaped politically, it needs to be given a human face, but we cannot allow to fall back into pre-globalization times. this conclusion of trade agreements that go beyond the
scope of mere tariff agreements, customs agreements, are most important. i'm very pleased we were able to bring this to fruition between canada and the eu. we made great progress particularly if we look at one of the great global issues, namely climate protection, without the engagement of the current administration and the leadership of barack obama, this paris agreement would never have come about. there has been a change in the attitude in the united states towards that agreement but there is also a better cooperation with china so last year, we were able to conclude a paris climate agreement which will lead the way for the rest of the world, which is groundbreaking. together with the sustainable development goals of the agenda 2030 for the whole world, this is indeed sea change, i think, that we see and step by step will be implemented. there's another point i wanted to mention here, particularly the engagement and commitment to africa. for us europeans, africa as a
neighboring continent is of prime importance. the development of african countries is in our very own best interest. we as germans but also we as members of the european union will have to deal with this. it will be at the very top of our agenda. there are a lot of areas where we cooperate, fight against isil, for example. here germany was able to contribute to a certain extent in certain areas, will continue to do so, for example, in supporting the peshmerga, in air policing, but we also have to acknowledge that the united states of america bear most of the burden. they bear the brunt of this responsibility. so i take your remarks very seriously, barack, that the european union was a whole but also germany needs to recognize that this is our alliance, our common alliance, trans-atlantic alliance, we have to step up our engagement because in the long run we will not be allowed to
accept this imbalance as regards the contributions we gave to this alliance and we have understood this message and we have started to react. we have worked very closely together, for example, in afghanistan. we are continuing to do so. and i'm very pleased this military engagement together with a political road map that we developed, we were able to continue. we want to bring about a political solution there. we worked very closely together on the issue of annexation of crimea and russia's attempt to actually conquer ukraine and actually, they did so, conquer part of the territory. we tried to come to a peaceful settlement here on this. so our interests are very much aligned. our intents of cooperation are very much alive. we continue to build on what we have already achieved in these last months of the administration and we will continue also with the new administration. this is the end of an eight-year cooperation that was very close
indeed. from a german point of view, german american and european american relations are a pillar of our foreign policy. foreign policy that is obviously guided by interests but that is very much also committed to shared values so we have a platform, democracy, freedom, respect of human rights, that we would like to see respected all over the world and also a peaceful world order. we have shared those values. we continue to share those values. obviously we will continue to cooperate with the new administration. but today i think a word of gratitude is at hand. thank you very much for this very close, very intensive cooperation. >> it's wonderful to be back in berlin. this is my sixth visit to germany. it will not be my last. i have somehow continued to miss oktoberfest so that's probably something that is better for me to do as a former president
rather than as president. i will have more fun. it's also wonderful to be back with my great friend and ally, chancellor merkel. as i reflect back over the last eight years, i could not ask for a steadier, more reliable partner on the world stage. often through some very challenging times. so i want to thank you for your friendship, for your leadership and your commitment to our alliance. and i want to thank the german people for the incredible partnership that our countries have been able to establish all these years. last week marked the 27th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall. the united states was proud to stand with the people of germany as this nation and this continent reunited and rebuilt and reached for a better future. and it's a reminder that the
commitment of the united states to europe is enduring and is rooted in the values we share, values that angela just mentioned. our commitment to democracy, our commitment to rule of law, our commitment to the dignity of all people. in our own countries and around the world, our alliance with our nato partners has been a cornerstone of u.s. foreign policy for nearly 70 years, in good times and in bad and through presidents of both parties, because the united states has a fundamental interest in europe's stability and security. the commitment that angela and i share to this guiding principle has formed the basis for our conversations this afternoon. we discussed our efforts to keep our countries competitive and create jobs and opportunity on both sides of the atlantic. the negotiations on agreements like ttp' challenging and
obviously when there's concerns about globalization, it is important that those negotiations and channels of communication remain because ultimately, what we have shown over the last several decades is that markets and trade and commerce can create prosperity in all of our countries, that it's not a win/lose situation but it can be a win/win situation. at a time when the european project is facing challenges, it's especially important to show the benefits of economic integration by continuing to invest in our people and working to reduce inequality both within and across our countries. i reiterated our hope that negotiations over the united kingdom's exit from the eu will be conducted in a smooth and orderly and transparent fashion and preserve as closely as
possible the economic and political and security relationships between the uk and eu, and i continue to believe what i said in hanover, that the eu remains one of the world's great political and economic achievements, and that those achievements should not be taken for granted. that they need to be nurtured and cultivated and protected and fought for. because the achievements that we have seen on this continent in contrast to a divided europe of the previous century, are ones that remind us of how important it is that we work together, and that we are willing to uphold the principles that have resulted in unprecedented prosperity and security throughout europe and around the world.
with the threat of climate change only becoming more urgent, angela and i focused on the need for american and eu leadership to advance global cooperation. both of our nations were proud to join the paris climate agreement which the world should work to implement quickly. continued global leadership on climate in addition to increasing private investment in clean energy is going to be critical to meeting this growing threat. of course, we discussed our commitment to meeting shared security challenges from countering cyberthreats to ensuring that iran continues to live up to the terms of the iran nuclear deal. i commended angela for her leadership along with president hollande in working to resolve the conflict in ukraine. we continued to stand with the people of ukraine and for the basic principle that nations have a right to determine their own destiny and we discussed the importance of maintaining sanctions until russia fully complies with the minsk
agreement. as part of the coalition against isil, we are putting that terrorist network under tremendous pressure. here in berlin this week, coalition members are meeting to ensure we remain unified and focused on our mission to destroy isil. we are very grateful for the vital contributions germany has made to this fight, training local forces in iraq, sharing intelligence, providing reconnaissance aircraft including the recent deployment of additional nato awacs and as iraqi forces continue the liberation of mosul, i'm pleased that nato will be meeting the commitment we made in warsaw to begin training additional forces in iraq which started this january. we also continued to stand united with germany and our nato allies in our ongoing efforts to build peace and stability in afghanistan. on syria, it's clear that the indiscriminate attacks on civilians by the assad regime and russia will only worsen the humanitarian catastrophe and that a negotiated end to the
conflict is the only way to achieve lasting peace in syria. angela and i also agreed the need for a comprehensive and humane response to the devastating humanitarian crisis in syria and for the influx of migrants and refugees from around the world. we need to build on the progress achieved at the u.n. refugee summit which yielded new commitments from some 50 nations and organizations. the united states is doing our part by increasing the number of refugees we resettle and i want again to commend angela and more importantly, the german people, for the extraordinary leadership and compassion that you have shown in the face of what i know is a very difficult challenge. you are not alone in trying to deal with this challenge. this is not an issue that any one country should bear, but is in need of an international response and i not only intend
to make sure that we put in place more robust support from the united states but i'm hoping that that continues beyond my administration. on this final visit, i am reminded of the visit i made here before i became president. it was eight years ago. i had no gray hair. but i believe today what i said then. if you want a model for what is possible, if you want to see how to build a peaceful and prosperous and dynamic society, then look at berlin and look at germany. look at chancellor merkel. her personal story helps to tell the story of incredible achievement that the german people have embarked on and i think is something that you should be very proud of. it is not inevitable that we
make progress. it requires hard work. sometimes it may seem as if progress has stalled, but what the history of post-war germany shows is that strength and determination and focus and adherence to the values that we care about will result in a better future for our children and our grandchildren. and on behalf of the american people, i want to thank the german people, i want to thank chancellor merkel for your deep friendship and your steadfast partnership. so -- [ inaudible ] thank you very much. mr. president, you and the
president-elect have very different views on russia. after your meeting with him last week, can you assure chancellor merkel a trump administration would also support strong sanctions against moscow? similarly, what have you told president putin about russia's influence on the russian election and how would you advise european countries to deal with the same threat? and lastly, if i may, would you like to see your friend chancellor merkel run for re-election next year? >> -- deutsch -- >> your german, showing off. >> translator: -- american president calmed you in the sense that on the policy of his successor on climate change and russia, he has allayed your fears and are you concerned that the common european policy towards russia will collapse, and after the election of mr. trump, would you, as a sign of civility, wouldn't you
actually have to declare that you are going to be a candidate again? >> well, i try to make it a eme politics. all i can say is chancellor merkel has been a outstanding partner. you know, chancellor merkel is perhaps the only leader left among our closist allies that was there when i arrived. so in some ways we are now the veterans of many challenges over the last eight years. although we have not always been in sync on every issue in terms
of our core values, in terms of her integrity, her truthfulness, her thoughtfulness, her doing her homework, knowing her facts. her commitment to looking out for the interests of the german people first, but recognizing that part of good leadership on behalf of the nation requires engaging the world as a whole, and participating effectively in multilaterally institutions. i think she's been outstanding. so it's up to her whether she wants to stand again and then ultimately up to the german people to decide what the future holds. you know, if i were here and i were german and i had a vote, i might support her. but it's -- i don't know what
that hurts or helps. with respect to russia, my principal approach to russia has been constant since i first came to office. russia is an important country. it is a military superpower. it has influence in the region and it has influence around the world. and in order for us to solve many big problems around the world, it is in our interest to work with russia and obtain their cooperation. i think we should all hope for a russia that is successful, where its people are employed and the
economy is growing and they are having good relationships with their neighbors. and participating con stustructy on big issues like climate change. so i've sought a constructive relationship with russia but what i have also been is realistic in recognizing there is some significant differences in how russia views the world and how we view the world. the values that we talked about, the values of democracy and free speech and international norms and rule of law, respecting the ability other countries to determine their own destiny and preserve their sovereignty and territorial integrity.
those things are not something that we can set aside. and so in -- on issues like ukraine, on issues like syria, we've had very significant differences. and my hope is the president-elect coming in takes a similarly constructive approach. finding areas where we can cooperate with russia. where our values and interests align. but that the president-elect also is willing to stand up to russia where they are deviating from our values and international norms. and i don't expect that the
president-elect will follow exactly our approach, but my hope is he does not simply take a real politic approach and suggest that, you know, if we just cut some deals with russia, even if it hurts people or even if it violates international norms or even if it leaves smaller countries vulnerable, or creates long-term problems in regions like syria, that we just do whatever's convenient at the time. and that will be something that i think we'll learn more about as the president-elect puts his team together. i am encouraged by the president-elect's insistence that nato is a commitment that does not change, and his full commitment to nato as the
foundation for international security i think is very important. and finally, in terms of my conversations with president putin, these are conversations that took place before the election. as i indicated, there has been very clear proof that they have engaged in cyberattacks. this isn't new. it's not unique to russia. there are a number of states where we've seen low-level cyberattacks and industrial espionage and, you know, other behavior that we think should be out of bounds. and i delivered a clear and forceful message that although we recognize russia's intelligence gathering will
sometimes take place even if we don't like it, there's a difference between that and them either medaling with elections or going after private organizations or commercial entities, and we're monitoring it carefully and we will respond appropriately if and when we see this happening. i do think that this whole area of cyber is something that at an international level we have to work on and develop frameworks and international norms so that we don't see a cyber arms race. a lot of countries have advance cappants and given the vulnerabilities of our infrastructure and our economies to digital platforms, we have to
be careful in making sure that this doesn't become a lawless, low-level battlefield. and we've started trying to put together some principles that were adopted in the g-20, the g-7 and at the u.n. levels, but a lot more work remains to be done on that front. >> translator: allow me to underline first of all that in spite the very tough election campaign, this transition period in the united states of america, because it follows democratic principles and is working smoothly. this is all about the american people. it's about the destiny of the american people. and the obama administration is sharing its knowledge, its
expertise with the incoming administration. and this to us is a sign of encouragement to continue the good cooperation that we have built between the united states of america and the federal republic of germany and that is in our mutual interest, so we will continue this. i will continue this with -- i approach this with an open mind and i'll do it on the basis of a deep conviction with president-elect donald trump. secondly on russia, i canal only repeat what the president said previously. this is all about respecting certain principles. and i'm saying this from a european vantage point, from a german vantage point, the fact that for over 70 years we have been able to enjoy peace, to live in peace, very much depends on territorial integrity and sovereignty of each and every european country being respected. in view of european