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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news, president-elect making a key job offer. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump choosing retired army general michael flynn to be his national security advisor. trump will also sit down with mitt romney, the 2012 gop nominee, who had harsh words for donald trump during his campaign for the white house. a source telling cnn that romney's letting it be known he's interested in becoming secretary of state. let's discuss. i want to bring in sara murray to start us you'off. donald trump filled another key port in his administration. what are you learning? >> we do know that donald trump has made the offer to general michael flynn asking him if he wants to be as national security advisor. our sources telling us whether
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or not he accepted. he sat with donald trump through his national security briefings and he's been with him throughout this transition process. he was seen as the lead candidate for this job so it would be very difficult to see him turning it down, don. >> so we also know that donald trump and mitt romney, sara, are going to be meeting this weekend. are we seeing signs trump is looking to form a team of rivals? >> add to this a team of strange bed fellows. few people were as barred as donald trump, as early as mitt romney was. take a listen about trump in the past. >> here's what i know. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. >> he's a disloyal guy. he's an elite us. >> his promises are as wort worthsleworths -- worthless as a degree from trump university. >> not a lot of love lost but it being looks like they're going to patch things up. they're going to be meeting on saturday and we expect them to
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discuss a secretary of state position. that does not necessarily mean that mitt romney is one of the front runners, it does not mean he's the pick in the eyes of donald trump, but it certainly would be an interesting discussion to be a fly on that wall, don. >> sara, is this the new trump, past offenses are forgiven. we've often heard he has a very long memory. >> not that he has a long memory, but he likes to reward people who are loyal to him. is he doing these meetings because he's the president-elect and he can hold court with whoever he beacons to trump tower and maybe learn a little bit a along the way or is he seriously considering these people for top-level cabinet positions. the flynn choice would indication he's sticking to someone who is safe, and someone who is loyal. i think it's an open question. will donald trump actually pick someone who has been a critic,
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an a an an a an an adversary. this is a guy who wants to beef up the engine around him and who wants to be there on point out his weaknesses and bring knowledge to the table maybe donald trump doesn't have himself. so who is the man donald trump wants to be his national security advisor? here's cnn correspondent, barbara starr. >> this was not an election. this was a revolution. >> reporter: theretiris is reti army general michael flynn, one time his loyalty to donald trump will likely catapult him to one of the most important jobs in the trump presidency. >> this is probably the biggest election in our nation's history since bringing on george washington when he decided not to be a king. >> flynn is controversial in military circles after several jobs dealing with middle east terrorism. in 2014 he was pushed out as
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head of the pentagon's defense intelligence agency. one official who served with flynn at the time tells cnn there were ongoing tensions. flynn wanted more authority. >> wow. >> after forced retirement, flynn appeared to change. two senior military officers, who served with him tell cnn. they describe as somewhat bitter officer who adamantly believes president obama isn't paying enough attention to the isis threat. >> we must regain our ability to truly crush our enemies. >> the question now, can he operate on a global scale? >> he's going to have to expand his skill set after a 30-year plus career dealing primary in the military element of national security. >> flynn will have to work well with the rest of the trump team. >> there's whole lot of pieces of input into decision-making
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rather than the one you're providing. >> reporter: but ultimately, the new commander in chief will set the tone in national security, but just what is trump still trying to tell the month gone? -- pentagon? >> we have great generals. look at the job they've done. they haven't done the job. >> i want to bring in lieutenant general mark herdling, and thank you for joining us. i really appreciate you. give us your reaction to giving flynn the national security advisor job. >> it can't be taken in isolation, don. it's an interesting pick. mike flynn is a very passionate, energetic, and devoted guy to mr. trump. but it's -- the better thing to look at is what's the rest of the national security team going
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to look like? who is going to be the sec state, sec di achieve, they're going to play a role in determining the national security -- >> who would have the most most influence here? >> flynn sets the agenda for the primaries committees, and the s n nscs, so he teas up the discussion, and he's probably going to be the youngest guy in the room. he may have a lot of experience fighting al-qaeda and tracking isis, but he's not going to have a whole lot of experience in some of other areas that contribute to national security. isis is on a list of ten things that are influencing america right now and he's got to expand his portfolio quite a bit. >> colonel, tell me what you think. >> he's probably a fine pick, as
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long as the president trusts him. i think that's the key and general herdling hit the nail on the head here, it's because herdling is not going to have the authority to do anything. herdling's going to be the gatekeeper. he sets the agenda, calls the meetings, and -- flynn, not herdling. >> i almost said that earlier, since herdling is right there with us. >> and he will control those meetings. but it's a team effort, and it's who -- who else is on that team. so i think it's important that the president have confidence in general flynn. this position isn't a cabinet level. this is the person you go to. this is your confiddent. this is someone you can talk to one-on-one and sometimes cut through the bureaucratic wrangling that's going to be going on in those rooms. and i've been in some of those meets, very contentious, and the national security advisor has to write on his people that generally have more power than
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he does. >> go ahead general. >> that's true, don. i've been in a couple myself. what's interesting, at the strategic level, when you're talking leadership, personalties matter and when you've got a group thing guess on, that's not a good thing. you're also going to have probably -- mike flynn will probably be the youngest person in the room. i don't know. i don't know who the other choices are going to be. but you know there have been studying national security advisors in the past, each president has used them differently, mr. trump may have his own style, but speaking truth to power, and that kind of scenario with a lot of folks with big egos and agendas, and some may not trust each other that well, that's going to be very challenging. >> general herdling, what will russia and ukraine think about general flynn in this top post? >> yeah, that's a great question, because i'm going to ukraine at the end of this month to talk to some security officials and some government officials, and i've already been
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contacted by many of them saying what's going on, and they were surprised first of all by mr. trump's election. they are particularly concerned about a combination of mr. trump and general flynn because they have seen the cosying up with russia and ukraine is in a fight for its life right now as are some other european allies, pols poland, some of the baltics. they want to stop russian expansionism and i tell you like many other presidents i'm sure that mr. trump wants to reset the conditions with russia, but you have to go about this very carefully. when he talked to russia the other day, when he talked to mr. putin on the phone, the reaction after that conversation in syria was multiple bombings of aleppo, and a greater intensity by the russian government against that nation. >> general flynn is not shy about using the phrase. he uses radical islamist
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terrorism and said law is spreading here in the u.s. and he once tweeted this the fear of muslims is rational, and he re-tweeted something about jews that he later apologized for. what do you think that this pick would mean for u.s. relationships with the muslim world? >> well, i think that we've got a problem right from the start. you know, it just exacerbates the problem that many people perceive trump has with the muslim world and maybe they have with mr. trump. this is not going to help that, but remember as i said, he's going to be an advisor to the preside president. the president sets the agenda, sets the tone, and makes the decision. it's the advice he gets from his cabinet and also from general flynn that'll shape that. a that you will need to turn in their twitter handles. >> thank you, colonel, thank you, general. i appreciate that. straight ahead much, etmuch
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there's nor breaking news tonight, the president-elect tweeting ford is keeping an assembly plant in kentucky. let find out from christina alessi joining us by the phone right now. christina, donald trump is tweeting this time about the ford motor company. he said i got a call from bill ford, chairman of ford who advised me he will be keeping
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the lincoln plant in kentucky, no mexico and the second tweet, i worked hard with bill ford to keep the lincoln plant in kentucky. i owed it to the great state of kentucky for their confidence in me. what's the story here, christina? >> well, i'm not sure what hard work he's referring to, and i'm not sure ford knows what hard work he's referring to because he seems to be -- trump seems to be taking a victory lap for something he didn't do. ford made a commitment to keep that plant in kentucky way before this statement this evening, in fact, it was a legally binding agreement with the auto unit to keep production of the lincoln and mkc there along with the ford escape and that they were going to invest $700 million in the plant. so it's really unclear why he is taking credit for this. remember, trump went after
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several companies during the campaign and ford was probably his favorite corporate piniata. he just went after them on twitter and at rallies. it was just incredible. and by the way, a lot of other companies do what ford does in terms of moving production, but you know trump went after ford specifically because it is a big american recognizable brand. >> yeah, i remember the ceo being on i think with poppy harlow saying they were going to keep the plant. listen, christina, what is ford saying about all of this? >> they're issuing a pretty corporate statement, their vehicles made at the louisville assembly plant will stay in kentucky and we'll encourage the president-elect trump with new policies that will improve u.s. competiti competitiveness and keep production of this vehicle in
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the united states. they are not saying this ridiculo ridiculous, right, because when i speak to ceos in general, no one really wants to get on trump's bad side, so everybody is flyiplaying nice because the don't know how all of his policies are going to shake out and impact their businesses. so everybody's playing nice for now. zeal to see if trump continues to go after companies and then take credit for things that he didn't do, you know, house the dynamic changes from there, but clearly not a statement that really tells anybody what's really going on here. >> all right. so christina, just to get it straight as you mentioned, he's taking credit. this isn't the first time he's takes credit for something he didn't do, correct? >> right. in 2015, he told a large crowd in new hampshire, that ford is going to build a massive plant in the united states and that's because you know trump was going
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after the company publicly and he took credit for that, but ford was not building a new plant there, in fact, they were -- it was just simply shifting production to an existing u.s. plant and that agreement had been arranged four years earlier in a deal again with the labor union in 2011. so we -- we're seeing a pattern here, and it's up to the -- it's up to the companies and up to the ceos to set the record straight and frankly, it's up to us, too, to do that whenever we can. >> and we will. thank you very much, christina. i appreciate that. i want to bring in my political commentators, john phillips, talk radio host, batarkari sell, l lani chin, and paris denard. what is your reaction to christina's reporting, first, bakari? >> well, i think that this builds into a larger narrative and the larger narrative is
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donald trump is himself a fake news story. what we've seen is this -- it's this cycle of fake niews storie that pop up and drive the narrative. donald trump will flat out lie and said he did something, which we can have objectable proof he did not do and it's catego categoryically false. >> and he's president-elect. >> that is real. but it's sad because what he's develop side very dangerous to the american democracy is now we live in a fact-free environment and the only person that can succeed in that fact-free environment is donald trump. >> paris? >> actually, the facts are, mr. trump was outspoken and talking about how he was going to make america great again. he was outspoken and talking about how he wanted to bring jobs back -- >> specifically when it comes to ford?
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>> when did comes to ford, mr. trump was very factual and talking about he was not going to allow that to happen under his watch, meaning leave the american soil and go across the boarder to mexico. >> it was decided before he became president-elect? >> so the point is i think he raised this issue. he raised the issue of jobs, raised the issue of jobs leaving the country, and now what the american people see is, well, ford did not bring their -- their plant over to mexico, so it's a good thing for mr. trump -- >> but they weren't going to -- >> it doesn't matter. >> it does matter. >> what matters is, mr. trump has been talking about doing this. >> paris, are you sure it doesn't matter? >> it's not about the truth. it's about raising awareness. it's about raising awareness about ford, about our immigration policy, and about jobs and the economy. so this is a -- this is a win for president-elect. >> you're saying the truth doesn't matter? he's taking a victory lap, paris, let's be honest and you're sitting here on
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international television and telling people the truth doesn't matter? >> no, i didn't say that. what i'm telling the american people and their international audience is that what mr. trump did do was raise awareness about companies in the u.s. leaving our soil and going overseas and saying he did not want that to happen. >> that's not what he tweeted, paris. listen, let's just be honest, come on. >> right. >> he won, so congratulations. >> right. >> so he did not say in his tweet, i brought awareness to this issue and just so you know ford is not doing it as i said before i became president. he's taking a victory lap with something that had nothing do with him. that doesn't matter to you? it shouldn't matter to the american public who he's representing now? >> i think the truth does matter and the truth in my eyes and i think in a lot of americans' eyes is donald trump was a champion and is a champion for american jobs and companies. >> okay. >> and i think that proves it. >> john, go ahead.
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>> yeah, the tone was set in this campaign that donald trump doesn't want to incentivize companies to move operations to foreign lands. he wants more production in the united states, and really the first indicator that we saw other people get that when we heard from the canadians and the mexicans they're willing to come to the bargaining table to rework nafta to make sure it works out better for all parties involved. i think people get what donald trump wants from trade and production. >> there's two issues here. one is i do think as president-elect, do you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. you have to look carefully at what it is you're saying, but the other point is there are a lot of times when politicians and presidents even take credit for things they have very total do with. you think about jobs numbers. perfect example. we get these jobs numbers every month and presidents consiste consistently will say good job numbers or maybe they try to distance themselves from bad job
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numbers. the president has very total do with the monthly gyrations in unemployment numbers but take credit for him. this is part of our political dialogue and this maybe was a step too far, but in general politicians have a habit of taking credit for things they have nothing to do with. >> don if i may briefly, one of the things about this whole dynamic of president-elect, is you have paris say it doesn't matter and now we're saying maybe it was a steve too far but what we've created over the past 18 months, and something we'll have to deal with is a culture of low exception. the fact is donald trump told a lie. he had to be corrected by the ceo of ford. foshd w ford was not leaving the united states going to mexico. they had a contract with the union that said they could not leave, something that had nothing to do with donald trump at all and they were never going to mexico. now people pick up on this story. it's a fake news story that goes around and it's below the office
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of the presidency. i mean if he can't tell the truth in a tweet about ford, i mean, how will we believe him about anything else? all right up next we'll talk about his new appointment as national security advisor general flynn, we'll be right back.
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our breaking news tonight, back with me now, john phillips, bakari sellers and paris denard, lo lonny chin. he wrote, you decide, nypd blows whistles on e-mails, money crimes, this story's completely fabricated and he tweeted that out to tens of thousands of followers. what does that say about his judgment? i don't think we should judge somebody on 140 characters. he said you decide, make up your mind for yourself. i think mr. trump is picking people who have been loyal to him, picking people who have been giving him sound advice and
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i think this person in particular, general flynn is one who has a -- an accomplished career in the military who should be respected if he takes the position we should allow him to do the job president-elect asked him to do. >> usually it is the case that top campaign national security advisor becomes the white house advisor, as well and as you can saw in your earlier segment about comfort, i do think hopefully should he accepted job from this point forward he would exercise the same discretion that i would advise the president-elect exercise, whether it's twitter or other public statements. >> do you want to say something, bakari? >> yeah, i mean, i think this i guess we're nine or ten days into the trump president-elect status here and we shouldn't be surprised that he -- that he surrounds himself with people who espouse beliefs like him, whether it's steve bannon, or whether it's general flynn.
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whether he was receiving national intelligence briefings, whether or not his son, who was chief of staff, tweets out things that are decently incentive, to give him the benefit of the doubt. and whether or not his judgment is cloudy. >> bakari, he also sourrounds himself like k. cole james, and ken blackwell, who are conservative, christian, and influenti influential. it's not fair to say he surrounds people around people you described. he has a lot of good people advising him in this transition. they should be respected. >> with all due respect, he's hired reince priebus, city of bannon, and michael flynn. >> he's offered the job to michael flynn and he did hire reince priebus. >> i was going to say chairman reince priebus is the best
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because one dislikes muslims and you have reince priebus. >> what he's talking about, general flynn's son, bakari is talking about, chief of staff regularly pushed off conspiracy theories and re-tweets members of the alt-right, and at one point he pushed out a conspiracy theory about marco rubio being a closet homosexuality w sexual, the cocaine. >> i don't think you judge some know by the sins of their fathers or the sins of their sons. this guy was stanley mccrystal's right-hand man and the minute he endorsed donald trump, it's like he's gary beauty after the motorcycle accident. all the respect people had for him just went out window. he's the same guy. [ laughter ] >> okay. i don't know what to say to that. lonny, go ahead. >> he usually has great tweets.
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is that concerning when you consider marco rubio is a closet homosexual who abused cocaine? he's his joint of chief of staff. >> the president is entitled i think to put people around him that he's comfortable with and this is one of those positions that fits that bill. now, obviously you look at these things and you do have to say, well, probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, probably wasn't the best idea to do. i think from this point forward, should he accept the job, he's got to conduct himself appropriately. >> okay his chief of staff, tweeted african-americans can have b.e. it, but whites can't have their own dating site and this was in 2012, only reason why minorities voted for barack obama is the color of his skin and not for his issues, bakari? >> i mean that's just blatant ignorance, but we have that at the highest level of government.
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the national advisor chief of staff son is making blatantly ignorant comments. i'm not surprised. hillary clinton lost the race. this is the result of losing rac races. elections have conveniences and we should not be surprised donald trump surrounds himself and hires people and offered job to people to be correct for paris, to people who espouse his beliefs. it's just very, very dangerous and we haven't gotten to the point even of general flynn's ties to russia. we know that he's very close with putin, so we're just trotting down this very dangerous path and it puts me on the same side of the fence like john mccain and lindsey gram and pushing back is one of our greatesta greatest agitators. >> i want to talk about donald trump meeting with mitt romney, your former boss and chief, lon dmrks y. are you encouraged this might mean trump's decision -- about
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his decision-making? >> i think governor romney's got great respect across a broad spectrum of conservatives and certainly if they're going to discuss national security issues i don't think there's any better person in the party on these issues now aside from governor romney. we don't know what this meetings aep is going to be about, but certainly i would think it's encouraging donald trump is reaching out to try to unify the party and open fulhopefully gov. >> what would that look like under trump? they seem like pollar opposites. do you think romney would do it? >> i don't think they're poppar opposites in this sense. id think his foreign policy philosophy has always been premised on american interest first and i think that is very similar to a lot of what you heard from donald trump on the campaign trail. obviously there are some differences with respect to russia, nato, and a few other issues but if you look at the
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fundaments where governor romney thinks america needs to go, you can make the argument similar to some of the other general themes tweeted out during his campaign. >> paris, listen, donald trump called romney an elite jan ist,a stone-cold loser. how do you think people will take that for a key position and mitt romney? >> we don't know what that meetings's going to be b but all of donald trump's supporters like myself and the millions that voted for him would be proud president-elect trump is showing leader hiship, is reach across the aisle, and the political spectrum, to people who were former adversaries if you will. this is what leadership is. he's no longer running a campaign. he's the president-elect of the united states of america sdoe heso he's going to get a deal done and work with people. that's how you become a successful businessman and the
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united states of america. >> lonny said they're polar opposites then there was this. >> here's what i know. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. >> he's a disloyal guy. he's an eletist. >> his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> he's a stone-cold loser. >> now what, john? >> hey, i'm an angels fan and i say a lot of nasty things about the dodgers. when the dodgers make it to the playoffs, i still cheer for them because they're the california team that's there. this is politics. this is what happens. george h.w. bush was the guy that came up with vudu economics and he was the guy that was put on the ticket. one of the criticisms of trump that's been out there since this campaign started is he can't ever let a feud go, when he gets into it with someone it seems to last forever, and ever, yet when he's putting the cabinet together we saw mitt romney's name pop up, nikki haley in
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south carolina, even democrats could end up in the cabinet. i'm seen michelle re,'s name as possible secretary of education, and jim webb, former senate from virginia and presidential candidate. i think it's a good thing. i don't think it's a bad thing. >> today we're talking about mitt romney, nikki haley, general flynn, but not his controversial hire of steve bannon. is that a smart move by donald trump to float these republican leaders now, do you think, john? >> look, i mean you have a very short period of time to fill up all of these cabinet posts and once you do that you have to staff your who's, aite house, a of these executive branch. you're going to see a lot of hires during this period of time. >> this is politics. i really don't get it. i hate you, i hate you, drop dead and you're like i love you, man, you're my brother. >> you might be the next press secretary, be careful. >> i can tell you no i won't. up next why a lot of
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say they are fearful. could believe it be traced back moment in the campaign? >> donald trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> here's cnn's stephanie elam now with more. >> reporter: since last week's tied-shifting election, messages of hate, some invoking donald trump's campaign rhetoric are coming across the nation. >> now we want to bring your isis-loving family out of this country or we'll do it ourselves and make america great again. >> the day after trump won, a muslim family in a seattle suburb found this threatening letter at their home. >> we are american. we are muslim. >> the man and his wife have lived in the u.s. for more than 20 years. their children were all born
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here. >> america is great because this country h country has allowed a lot of good mg belieknowledgeable peop make america great. >> he shredded it, but not before taking a picture. he would afraid it would scare his parents and say he's not afraid but remains vigilant and above all he wants to protect the most important person in his life, his wife. >> nothing can happen to her while i'm here. but i'm worried that she will be worried. she stays at home most of the day. i don't know how to be scared. >> do you think that donald trump should take some of the blame for the behavior that we've seen across the country? >> he should take some of the blame. he should become a president of all americans. this is his responsibility. you cannot bring this weapon
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down. it's the strongest weapon you have being divorced. trump addressed the assaults. >> i sald don't would say don't. it's terrible. i'm going to bring this country together. >> they're harassing latinos and muslims. >> i'm so saddened to hash that and i say stop it, if it helps and i'll say this to the cameras. stop it. >> this man hopes the person who wrote the letter will see this and come talk with him. >> i will defend the value of america and the value of being muslim. ignorance usually creates fear and hatred creates violence and more hate rit and we're going to be continued in this cycle until we break it to his knowledge. >> and find common ground in country. >> now it's time to note that this man tells me that he lived in the united states longer than any other country, and that he
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saw america from a different perspective when he listened in utah. at the time, it was around 9/11, and he said right after that, that people in his neighborhood, rallied around his family, made sure they knew they were well and he said their family received so many gifts, don, they didn't have a place to put them all. that said i should also point out he's also felt from the community where they live now, that some people have come to say this is not who we are. we're better than this and you welcomed, as well, despite this one letter he's received. >> stephanie, thank you, i really appreciate that. up next two muslim-americans with two very different viewpoints on this issue. you're smart. you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is, and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer.
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[whispered 'rocket'] . . p. let's discuss the rising fears among muslims in america. the founder of the republican muslim coalition. good evening to both of you. how much responsibility should donald trump, the president-elect take blame, invoking his name? >> i don't think it's donald trump's fault that a lot of protests are going on. i think a lot of people were scared into voting for clinton, especially in our muslim community. i think we have to accept the
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fact that donald trump is our president. and come to terms with his presidency and support him in whatever way we can. i think the best way for muslims to engage in the future years is for us to get involved with his administration, and get into cabinet level positions or high level agency positions. >> perhaps you didn't understand the question. i'll read it again. how much of a responsibility should president-elect donald trump claim for these hateful incidents around the country? not the protests, that many are invoking his name? the ones that were just in the story, about swastikas and so on. >> donald trump has condemned such hateful rhetoric. he has condemned hate crimes. i think obviously he could do more, coming out strongly against those of his supporters who are misusing his name to commit violent atrocities. but like i said, muslims need to step up their efforts to reach out to republicans and the
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general american public. i think muslim-americans, we don't need to play the victim games. we need to get involved in his administration and make a difference. >> a member of the trump transition team said the new administration can reinstate a national registry for immigrants where countries for terrorist groups were active. is this constitutional? >> as a former lawyer, i would say it's probably constitutional. it's just dealing with immigrants, not u.s. citizens. it's sending a message that any muslim coming in is dangerous. that's alarming. donald trump, in this campaign, let's be blunt, he said islam hates us. thousands of muslims cheered on 9/11, saying that we hide terrorists in our midst. he said these people, his exact words, these people. he needs to come out and say these people who are committing acts of hate in his name, that it's wrong.
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more than stop it. come out and say it's wrong. before the election, there were mosques in iowa, new jersey, the face with the word trump. like the word trump is becoming a modern-day swastika in itself. donald trump, come out, be the president for all people. get rid of steve bannon and say this is wrong. >> he says that this is about geography and fighting terror, not an attack on religion. does that make a difference to you? >> no, obviously when you talk about religious discrimination, that goes into the realm of unconstitutional and illegal ideas. i would hate to see anybody's civil liberties trampled in the name of national security. but like i said, muslim-americans need to step up their efforts in terms of their outreach to trump. we have yet to have a meeting of muslim leaders with the trump administration. we've had some people meet with him individually. would nice to be see the
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muslim-american leadership step up and accept the president-elect and meet with him directly, and raise their concerns and get him to speak for us. >> does it make a difference he said it's about geography and fighting terror and not about religion? >> he was speaking about the refugees in that realm. he mentioned that, you know, certain people coming in from certain state sponsors of terrorism should be monitored. we already have many federal laws that ban visas from certain countries and certain people. we obviously don't want any further terrorism in this country. we do want to strengthen and vet every single people who comes into the country with secure borders, with security national security policies. >> i want dean to get in. >> we don't need to blame religion for it. >> the idea that this is policy or not, i'm not sure. the muslim ban really wasn't a policy. the muslim ban of donald trump which had ewalked back was telling our fellow americans that every muslim is so potentially dangerous, i have to ban them all.
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that's why the fbi came out with a report in 2015, 67% increase in hate crimes against muslims. i'm concerned it will be worse. if saba, if you can get donald trump to meet with muslim americans leader, i think many of us would be happy to meet with him. we're going to push him hard on it, tell him get rid of steve bannon, be inclusive, acknowledge that you ginned up hate of our community in ways i've never, ever seen it before. >> saba, before you are espond. let me say this. trump's transition team has denied that trump has said anything about a muslim registry. however, trump offered a series of muddled responses, including late last year saying he would implement that when asked. what could trump do to reassure muslim-americans, what do you say? >> i think he said a lot of things during campaign. we need to step up our lobbying efforts in washington, d.c. if we want to reach out to trump. everybody in his administration is very accessible. i would just urge the
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muslim-american community instead of taking insults and instead of isolating ourselves, we need to step up and do our part in our outreach and be respectful when we meet with the president-elect and see him as an ally and how we can work together streenlly for the next four to eight years. we can't afford to ignore the new president. we have to accept him and we must be willing, proactively, in materials of our outreach. >> dean? >> i don't know where you're getting this, we're isolating ourselves from it. if donald trump wants to reach out to leaders in our community, acknowledge the mistakes we've made, we might find common ground. we talked so much about the white supremacy about steve bannon. he's giving steve bannon the most vial anti-muslim bigot a chance to write articles, including about you, saba, including about you, saba. and a dutch lawmaker, not even
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american, who hates muslims. >> saba? >> even the people who helped him get elected. he's not just going to get rid of them. >> does it make it okay, though? >> no, it doesn't. but if we're not at the table, we're going to miss out on the menu. we have to -- >> all righty. i've got to go. thank you very much. we're out of time. i appreciate it. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. good night. when it comes to healthcare, seconds can mean the difference between life and death.
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the breaking news, donald trump reaching out for the first time to a leader who could not be more kif from himself. someone who is quite literally worlds apart. so much so, he might as well be from a foreign country. also tonight trump's meeting with shinzo abe who is actually from a foreign country. the japanese leader. the meeting set for this weekend, someone who spent the spire campaign taking donald trump as a threat to decency, mitt romney, the same mitt romney who called trump a con man and trump called a choke artist. that mitt romney. the big question is, is he apparently now being considered for secretary of state. is he interested. in a moment, what trump adviser kelly ann conway has to say about that and a string of other developments today. but first, phil mattingly with the latest. you've been talking about trump sources and republicans outside the trump circle. how reals

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