tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN November 20, 2016 6:00am-7:01am PST
hard-line towers top posts what kind of government are we really going to get? newly named white house chief of staff is reince priebus is here. plus broadway abuse. mike pence night on the town ends with a plea from the cast of "hamilton". >> we have a message for you sir. >> hearing an applause from the audience and a scolding from trump. bernie sanders says he can find common ground with trump. >> mr. trump has the guts to stand up to corporations he'll have an alie. >> as some democrats plan a revolt of the leadership that got them here. plus the best political minds will be here on insights on what happens next. held jobs i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is behind closed doors. president-elect trump is
spending the weekend at his golf resort in new jersey meeting with potential picks for his cabinet. among those stopping by one time bitter foe mitt romney who is now we're told being considered for secretary of state. mr. trump characterized their meeting as quote extremely positive and productive. also making an appearance today the new leading contender for defense secretary yesterday rather general james maddus the retired four star general and seasoned combat commander is widely respected. >> all i can say he's the real deal. he's the real deal. >> advising president-elect trump is reince priebus who joins me from bedminster, new jersey. good morning. >> good morning, jake. >> let me start with trump university, 7,000 people sued mr. trump alleging they were defrauded. mr. trump said he would never settle. on friday without acknowledging any wrongdoing or fault mr.
trump paid them $25 mill thrown set tell case. just a few weeks ago on this networks campaign manager kellyanne conway was suggesting that bill clinton's $850,000 settlement in the paula jones case suggested that he was guilty. how is this settlement any different? >> well, first of all, it's a civil matter. but let's go back to where we're at on this operation. back on wednesday morning, jake, the president-elect made a call to all americans to come together. no matter who you are, your race, your gender, your ethnic background. he wants to make you proud of this country. you saw yesterday with mitt romney coming in, people like ted cruz a day earlier the best and brightest. he's talking to. and all of that history he wants to put behind him and lead for all americans. the trump university issue is in the same vein that, you know, when the presidency hits you and it's at your front door and you realize that you're president of the united states for all americans there are some things
that are important to you and some things that you just decide, look let's move on. we're not admitting wrongdoing. let's just start leading this country without distraction. that's what you're seeing. i think that americans should look at this as a real positive sign about what kind of great president he's going to be and how he wants to lead this country. >> let's talk about that about leading this country. last week i had a lot of questions for rudy giuliani, top trump adviser about potential conflicts of interest that the president will face if he does not put all of his assets in to a blind trust. i was told by mr. fwul gurudy g not to worry. since then mr. trump met with the prime minister of japan and his daughter ivanka was there. in addition "the washington post" reported the trump hotel in d.c. is pushing itself on to foreign diplomats. we learned the president-elect met with three indian business partners who are building a trump branded luxury apartment
complex south of mumbai all within the last week. as white house chief of staff you're supposed to look out for any political or ethical mine fields. is it seriously the position of the trump transition team that this is not a huge caldron of potential conflicts of interest? >> look. donald trump has been very clear from the very beginning that his family is very important to him and i think that while it's unique it certainly is compliant with the law. obviously we'll comply with all of those laws and have our white house counsel review all of these things and we'll have every i dotted and t crossed. i can assure the american people there won't be any wrongdoing or undue influence or any decision-making. truth of the matter is in a can just tell you this even from the four days or five days or so that i have been in a different role. donald trump makes the decisions
in this operation. and while there are meetings that take place it's donald trump that makes these decisions. and nothing should be further from the truth. so i can assure you and everyone out there that all of these things will be followed and will to be done properly. >> during the campaign you put out a statement saying the clinton foundation represents a pay to play culture that would be on full display should hillary clinton be elected president. are you at all concerned that mr. trump now could be depicted as somebody engaged in pay to play politic? >> no, not at all, jake. we've been at this for a few days. this is ridiculous. let's kind of take a deep breath. let's look what's going on. he made the call to bring all americans together. he then met with many, many people from all walks of life. general mattis, mitt romney, the list goes on and on. the point is what americans
should see from president-elect trump is someone who by deed and action, from the moment he was declared winner he was on a mission to bring everyone together. that to me is what we should be celebrating. i think people should be encouraged by what they see. and i think it's a really positive sign for the future of our country. >> let's turn to mr. trump's pick for attorney general, alabama senator jeff sessions. democrats hatch criticized his record on civil rights issues and comments he allegedly made though he denies it about race years ago. i want to ask you a policy related question about attorney general sessions, should he be confirmed. under attorney general's eric holder and loretta lynch the justice department has looked into local police departments and investigations found examples of systemic racism and the justice department mandated reforms. senator sessions has called such interventions an abuse of federal authority. does that mean that under attorney general sieges there will not be these kinds of investigations and federally
mandated reforms of local police departments? >> well, first of all, i mean that's a good question for senator sessions. let me hit this issue that you brought up initially, something he denies 30 years ago. let's look at this man's life. i sure wish people would judge me on my entire life. i know you and others watching wish the same. he started his political career fighting george wallace. he served an incredible career as a u.s. attorney, attorney general filing one desegregation lawsuit after the next. he prosecuted that person that was alleged to, in this story, for the murder. he then presided over the execution of this person. he voted for eric holder. he fought for a congressional gold medal for rosa parks. this is an honorable, decent good human being that we're talking about. i can assure you that if there's wrongdoing out there, whether it's on the streets or whether it's in the police department,
no matter where it is, senator jeff sessions will fine it and bring justice to wherever justice needs be brought to. >> my question, i don't want to get into a whole issue about there's going confirmation hearings that examine all of that but he's called these interventions by the justice department into local police departments, he's called them intrusive. i'm just wondering for people out there who believe that there are issues with systemic racism in some police departments, with some police officers, not all, i'm wondering if they should expect that the sessions justice department will not look into the behavior of local police departments? >> well, of course not. if there's, in fact, systemic racism then i'm most certain he would. i'm sure there's also cases where there's intrusive investigation. look this is something for him to answer but i can assure you where wrongdoing is taking place
the trump administration along with i'm sure the soon to be attorney general will look into it. >> gloets to your pick for president-elect trump's pick for national security adviser general michael flynn. take a look what he tweeted back in february. quote fear of muslims is rational. please forward this to other. truth fears no questions. is that the official policy of the trump administration that fear of muslims is rational? >> look, i think in some cases there are radical members of that religion that need to be dealt with but certainly we make it clear it's not a blanket statement for everyone and that's how we're going to lead. when you think about the immigration policy in that regard what president-elect trump has said is that where systematic terrorism is taking place, where countries are harboring or in places where countries are harboring and training terrorists we'll temporarily suspend that immigration from that country, or region until a better vetting system is put in place.
this is similar to many bills that are right now sitting in the house and senate that either can't pass or the president won't sign. so our policies are going to be very similar to the policies that are in place, that are ready to get passed and what president-elect trump has already articulated. >> i don't think anybody would dispute that fear of radical islamic terrorists is rational but that's not what national security adviser said. he said fear of muslims. and that kind of lancaster is discouraged because national security experts democrats and republicans say it's used by organizations like al qaeda and isis to recruit terrorists. do you worry at all? >> and president-elect trump's opinion is that there are some people within that particular religion that we do fear. but he also has made it very clear that we don't believe in religious tests and we're not blanketedly judging an entire
religion but pinpoint the problems and temporarily suspend those areas from coming into the united states until a better vetting system is in place. that's what we're going to do. that's what the president-elect believes. >> let's turn to sanctuary cities. the city of los angeles is home to half a million undocumented immigrants. chief police said he will not cooperate with federal agents when it comes to deporgt them. donald trump promised to cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities. will that money be cut, and when will that happen? day one? >> well, that's something for the new administration to decide and something we're all going to be working on and looking into. as a general matter i totally agree. sanc turn ary cities -- the idea a city would ignore federal law and then want the federal government to help them anyway
is an inconsistent position for those local governments to continue to engaging. so i think this is a matter of negotiation. i think it's something that the trump administration, myself and others included that are at the appropriate levels of government will deal with. but certainly i can't imagine too many americans watching this and thinking it's a good idea for a city to allow for blanket amnesty, ignoring federal law and then saying now give me $500 million. that's not the way life works. i think that under a trump administration they will explore this issue and i think resolve some of these major problems happening all across the country. >> let's be more specific with some of these individuals. under president obama, 750,000 so-called dreamers, young people who were brought into the united states illegally when they were children, so through no fault of their own, president obama shielded them from deportation and gave them work permits. mr. trump's immigration plan
says that executive action will be terminated immediately. what happens to those individuals, are they going be, about 750,000 brought into the country when they were children illegally but, again, not on their own volition, will they be stripped of their protective status? >> look, i think he's been very clear. this president is going to do a couple of things first. first, what he's going to do is start working on legislation to build a border wall between mexico and the united states. number one, to secure the border. i think everyone understands that and quite frankly most people agree we need to secure our border and protect americans all across our country. secondly, he has said that we are going to do our best and get the best and bright swreft people together to remove the criminal elements from our prison system and folks that need to be reflofd our country that shouldn't be here anyway
and are people that are not good people. but thirdly what he's also made clear is after all those things are done, he will then look at what we're going to do and how we're going to deal with fact that there are millions and millions of people are here that aren't bad people and in many cases brought here by their parents when they were little, but that's a subject that's going to come up after those first two things are taken care of. i just want to reiterate that because that's the position of president-elect trump. >> reince priebus, incoming white house chief of staff. that's all the time we have. thank you for your time, sir. >> you bet. >> the calls for nancy pelosi to step down. an uprising on capitol hill. pelosi's power is threatened by one of her fellow democrats. her challenger will be here next live.
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don't always get 100% of what you want. democracy means that sometimes you have to compromise. and it means that the outcomes of elections don't always turn out the way you would hope. >> the outcome of this election certainly did not turn out the way democrats hoped and some say it might be time for heads to roll. does that include the head of nancy pelosi. she has led house democrats for nearly a decade. her challenger for the role of house minority leader is here with me, tim ryan of ohio. thank you for being here. appreciate it. you're challenging pelosi for house democratic leader and you say the democratic party can't win back the majority with its current leadership and you say the party needs an economic mess saks deep economic message. i don't understand what the message is in terms of how it might differ from what we've heard from nancy pelosi or hillary clinton.
>> well, i think we were talking a lot about issues that were not deeply economic and that provided huge opening for donald trump to come in and that led to the disaster that happened on tuesday. >> what were the democrats talking about too much and not talking about enough. >> from the house of representatives side if you go and look back to the month or two or three before we even left to come home to campaign we were talking about things like the zika virus and other issues. i'm for increased funding for the centers for disease control. of course we need to fund that and help deal with the zika virus. that's not a deep economic message that's a national message. that's a message in a couple of regions in the country and things like that throw us off track. we need a brand as a party that says we're the party that will help working class people, white people, black people, white people, gay people, straight people improve opportunity for them to grow their wages, to have security. economic security. we got off that message and when we don't talk about economics we
lose elections. >> i did hear hillary clinton talk about raising the minimum wage and i did hear her talk about an infrastructure bill and i did hear her talk about a lot of these issues that you're referring to. you say people in ohio didn't hear it enough? >> obviously there was a lot of noise through it. here's the deal. we have to talk about moving forward. i can't in good conscience hang this election around nancy pelosi's neck. but moving forward we have to win congressional seats in areas of the country that voted for donald trump. even in my district where they vote forward me and they voted for donald trump. i think i'm uniquely qualified because i know who these people are. some of them are friends of mine, neighbors of mine who voted for me and voted for donald trump. we need to get those people back in the fold. as i told my colleagues i know in my heart we cannot win the house back under the current leadership. it's time for a change. the american people asked us to make a change here and we got to
do it. it's not easy. we're in the middle of a family fight. we got elected to come to the united states congress. there's been only 10,000 members of congress in the history of our country. 10,000. wearing this pin is an honor. and with that comes the opportunity to have to make some really tough decisions and sometimes they are family decisions. we got to move in another direction. >> considering your district went for your and donald trump let me ask you, do you think that house democrats and senate democrats should try to cooperate with donald trump and work with him on issues where there might be some common ground like for instance infrastructure or do you think that democrats should be an opposition party that tries to stop him. >> if he tries to defund planned parenthood or kick people off their health insurance or privatize medicare or cut taxes for the wealthy, you know, we'll have a youngstown street fight in the capital. that's what will happen. if he has opportunities where we
can grow the economy, invest in working class people knowing a third of them are people of color, this is a broad coalition we'll look for places network with him. as i'm reading about his infrastructure bill in the last couple of days looks like smoking mirrors and corporate giveaways. >> there's another fight going on which is for the dnc chair position. your colleague keith ellison, democrat of minnesota has picked up the support of chuck schumer, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. i want to you take a listen to what congressman ellison had to say about guns in 2014. >> why doesn't your party come out against the second amendment? >> i sure wish they did. >> i never hear anybody in the democratic party say that. >> that's your candidate, a candidate for dnc chair saying he sure wishes the democratic party would come out against the second amendment. is that the appropriate leadership of the dnc? >> that's not my decision
entirely to make. i really don't have a horse in that fight. and so the dnc members will have to make that decision. >> you want to lead the democratic in the house. you must have a position. >> that's not my position. my position on guns and gun violence is not to get rid of the second amendment. we need people who are sportsmen and can hunt and fish. we need background checks. we need to close the gun show loophole. we got make sure terrorists don't have guns. i was on the house floor when we were having this sit in on guns. that's an important discussion to have. not give away the second amendment. i don't think that's appropriate. on the issue of gun violence why do we have violence in our inner cities? it's economics. it's poverty issues. this economic message should drive everything we talk about as democrats. poverty. middle class wages. gun violence. things that happen in rural america. these are economic issues that
the democratic party has lost its way and if we want these trump voters to come back we need to start talking about these bread and butter fundamental issues that make us democrats. >> congressman tim ryan of ohio, thank you so much. coming up team of rivals. donald trump meets with mitt romney approximately will he ask him to serve as secretary of state? that story next. roadside motel. but with directv from at&t, you can download then binge watch your dvr'd shows from anywhere. that makes you more powerful than whatever it is you just stepped in. or that friendly dumpster diver outside. i wouldn't sit there. it's your tv, take it with you. now you can watch your dvr anywhere, at no extra cost, with directv from at&t.
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had a far reaching conversation with regards to the various theaters in the world where there are interests of the united states of real significance. we discussed those areas and exchanged our views on those topics. very thorough and in depth discussion in the time we had. and appreciate the chance to speak with the president-elect and look forward to the coming
administration. >> scenes from earth 2 that was mitt romney after his middle easting with donald trump sounding an awfully like someone considering taking a role in president-elect trump's new administration. is this the real deal or a head fake? here to discuss it with me the democratic congress nan adam shiff and mike rogers. great to have all of you here. thanks for being here. is this the real deal? is mitt romney being considered to be secretary of state? >> i think so. listen donald trump is not going take the time to bring somebody up to do that interview process. that's what we've learned over the last eight days sore if he's not at least under serious consideration. that's great. this team of rivals that can make for really good government. he's trying to find the right people that fit with the direction he wants to go. i think mitt romney would being a great. >> you fought mitt romney
bitterly when he ran for president. but in this new world you would like him in the state department? >> he would be a consummate diplomat. he can come up to speed on foreign policy issues. this is a head fake. donald trump is the entertainer, running a show where he wants to build suspendse. it's a nod of an appearance of bringing people together. >> congresswoman let me ask you mitt romney and donald trump have very different positions on, for example, russia. romney has been very outspoken. in fact he was ridiculed by democrats and he was correct when he said russia was our number one geopolitical foe. president-elect trump has a different take. can people who disagree so much on issues having to do with the job like secretary of state, can they work together? >> i think i'm going to listen
to what president-elect trump has said he wants all voices and he wants to bring america together. we ought to applaud the fact he's bringing in people that maybe he had a different opinion, but he's wanting that to come to his administration. i think as mike rogers says very smart like lincoln did in the team of rivals. aapplaud that. like mike i don't think he'll bring somebody to trump tower and spend and an hour and a half with him if he doesn't have serious consideration of bringing him into the fold. >> your governor nikki haley made a trip to trump tower and we were also told she might be considered for secretary of state. do you think that she's being considered for something? >> i would think so. eight years ago nikki haley and i were talking about issues that were near and dear to our voters. what we've seen in the cabinet choices so far outside of chief
of staff reince priebus, steve bannon, michael flynn, jeff sessions, these very divisive figures. if he were to nominate a mike rogers or nikki haley or mitt romney then i think people could take what congressman black was saying to heart he's attempting to bring this country together. one thing about nikki haley we'll disagree about policy from here to the end of time. she's a statesman. there's three appointments that donald trump have made which have proven to be nothing but divisive. it's bannon, it's flynn, sessions. you can't sit here and say you want to bring the country together and nominate those three. >> let's talk about mike flynn. here's the general speaking about islam p.m. he's made some controversial comments, some would say bigoted. nice lam is a political ideology. it is a political ideology. it definitely hides behind this notion it acreligion. it's like cancer.
i've gone through cancer in my own life. so it's like cancer. it's like a malignant cancer though in this case. it has metastasized. >> a lot of reasons and you know this from your days with fbi and also on the house intelligence committee a lot of reasons why people in the bush administration and the obama administration say don't talk that way about religion, not only because it's not true it's because it emboldens the enemy and gives them propaganda material. what do you think when you hear that? >> two parts of that. i wasn't sure of the first part because there are a grouch scholars that believe isis and those like isis are using the political context for islam to do what they do including beheadings and other things which is entirely wrong. the other part of that we need our arab partners. we need our sunni arab partners and shi'ite arab partners to get a handle on this extremism in islam. they will help us do it.
leaders of egypt who came out who said we need a reformation in islam. there's a combination of this. i would be careful. i believe he was talking about isis. i don't know that for a fact. if he was there's lots of scholarly research and development on the fact that that's what they believe, those isis who are outliars in the religion of islam believe that's true. now we need to make sure the others, our muslim partners in the united states and overseas that we can band together and come together to make sure we can defeat what is the this group of people who are pretty ambitious and believe it's a political system in their own right. >> congressman, defenders of flynn say look there's a problem in islam. 1.6 billion muslims are not the problem but there's a problem in islam. why is taking that on a problem? >> taking on al qaeda and isis and those who would pervert the faith of islam not a problem but what flynn does is a tremendous
problem because it plays right into the al qaeda and isis narrative that there's a clash of civilizations that's islam against the west. that's deeply destructive. it will alienate our allies. people have problems with flynn. he has a reputation for saying things that are counter productive, achot head. qualities you don't want in a national security adviser. and reaching decisions under very challenging time constrained important crises, that's not the kind of personality or vision you want in that position. >> let's turn to the nomination of another individual senator jeff sessions of alabama. he was nominated for a federal judgeship in 1986 and democrats blocked the appointment. here is what senator, i guess he was then u.s. attorney session had to say back then, 1986.
>> i am not a racist. i am not insensitive to blacks. i've supported civil rights activity in my state. >> there are instances that sessions supporters turn to where he did enforce civil rights laws and he fought segregation and he prosecuted the klan. >> one, jeff sessions is not a racist. i can flat out say that. i don't think that matters. what does matter is his record. when you look at someone like albert turner. albert turner was there at the march in selma. he was beaten. he carried the horse drawn mule of martin luther king after he was assassinated. you know what jeff sessions did? he prosecuted him for voter fraud for registering black voters. jeff sessions says you should not take the confederate flag down off state property. that's a part of his record. jeff sessions on the floor of
the united states senate said the immigrants from the dominican republic don't bring any talent or skills to the united states. that's a part of his record. so i love how reince priebus and other republicans are trying rehabilitate his image he was when it comes to civil rights. but the fact is this, jeff. when you talk about his record of desegregation it's very thin. let me tell you who jeff sessions is not. jeff sessions is not j. a.delane or thurgood marshal or a champion for civil rights. he has a troublesome record that makes most people who are vulnerable feel trepidation. >> the senate will have an opportunity to back him. once again there are pieces that people want to pick out and say let's look at this and turn it -- let's give him an opportunity to have a full hearing in the senate. he's done some good things as has already been said. with the segregation, he filed those lawsuits.
he's done a number of really good things and i think that give him a chance to be seen truly of what he has done. >> everybody stay here. we'll take a quick break. coming up hip-hop but no hooray. the cast of "hamilton" issuing a plea to mike pence about a multi-cultural america. but did the vice president hear them? thanksgiving at the anderson's. i was stoked. that's my holiday. we invented it. so i'm like, "pass the stuffing!" and... it's not stove top. and i'm like, "what?" i wait all year. 364 days to enjoy delicious stove top stuffing. it's what makes thanksgiving, thanksgiving. i had to get out of there. i faked an attack of scurvy. scurvy. works every time.
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>> we are a diverse america who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us. our children, our parents will defend our inalienable reits. >> that was the cast of the broadway smash hit "hamilton" with a message for vice president-elect mike pence who took in the show friday night. president-elect trump fired back
with a tweet. this latest one coming this morning reads quote the cast and producers of "hamilton" which i hear is highly overrated should madly apologize to mike pence for their terrible behavior. first fact check it's not overrated it's a fantastic and patriotic show. behavior of the cast or the show not with standing or the president-elect. do you think the cast might have stepped over to line at all? >> not at all. look donald trump, if you're offended by someone actually speaking their mind and talking about the fact there's many people in this country, minorities, vulnerable, many people who have a sense of worry and simply want to make sure you protect our inalienable reiight if you have a problem then that's an issue. my friends here have had the privilege of serving in the congress. imagine if a congressman heck
technology a president of the luns during a state of the union. >> we know that happened. from south carolina. >> yeah. >> what do you think? do you think this matters in the heartland of america, in tennessee where you represent, or does it -- is this something that's debated on sunday shows? >> i think they should have just let this go. look he went there to enjoy himself. he had his family there. let's have some civility here in this country. you disagree with someone that's fine. but allow him to table have a night of just relaxation and enjoy the show. as you say it's a wonderful show give him an opportunity. i don't think it was necessary. >> what do you think >> i think it was rude of the audience to boo him. they should have showed more respect. it was appropriate what the cast did. it was respectful what they said and much smarter for mike pence to say i hear you. i appreciate you sharing those thoughts. but for the president to be out there again tweeting and
overrated is his favorite word. we'll hear that word a lot more. that's a terrible mistake and makes the president look small. >> again, just to reiterate it's not true. it's really a great show. but you were saying that you think it's regretful because now there will be conservatives who won't go see the show because of this. >> that's right. i'm old fashioned about my entertainment. i want to go to be entertained. if i want politics i'll go to a town hall meet, turn on cable news. there's lots of outlets you can go to the get politics. a play for the vice president-elect of the united states who was there with his family to get booed goes how far civility has gone. the cast knew it and doubled down by deciding they would capitalize. wait a minute. i think it's wrong. >> the cast didn't boo. >> my problem with the cast they knew what the environment was in the hall.
then they doubled down at the end. this is not right. this is the vice president-elect of the united states. they should want him to be successful and his family feel welcome. like everybody should feel welcomed. it starts with a small thing like not booing the vice president-elect of the united states and not having a cast come out and lecture somebody who probably paid 800 bucks to be there. i hope they give him his money back. >> hypocrisy is getting deep. we've seen a president who has been booed, hung in everyone ffigy and got heckled by the united states congress. >> that was wrong. >> but it doesn't matter. i'm just saying, this type of do not say all of a sudden because we're at the brink of going over to incivility because this happened at a play. imagine when donald trump throws the first pitch at a baseball game. donald trump wants those boos so loud. we're not talking about the trump university settlement.
we're not talking about he met with his indian business partners or how trump international pushed its rooms that snow bound in on ploemts. >> he's always in closing argument mode. >> if i may jump in here. was it wrong when joe wilson did what de >> definitely. >> did they hold him accountable? >> no. >> oh, yes. i'm sorry. if you think that's disrespectful then this is disrespectful. this is a vice president-elect. this was disrespectful. i think that we ought to say that on both sides. >> donald trump actually said that we need a safe space at a theater. >> sounds like we could talk about this for the next six hours but i have to stop it right there. great conversations. what an epic election and the drama was captured in the first-ever book from cnn politics "unprecedented." pre-order your copy today at
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