we have cnn's polo sandoval there with details. even pictures of a car. how sure are they at this point of who they're looking for? >> they do know that they're trying to at least speak to this person here, chris. that's at least what they have to go on at this point. in the meantime, if you look behind me, a makeshift memorial outside the police department. a scene in texas police are familiar with. this one outside police headquarters continues to grow after the shooting death of benjamin marconi and officers not just here in the lone star state but across the country are having to take extra precautions. four separate shootings targeting police officer os across the country. >> unfortunately, like dallas and baton rouge, it's happened here. >> reporter: a massive manhunt in texes for a man suspected of killing a san antonio officer around 11:45 a.m. benjamin marconi was shot and killed
while sitting in his squad car. the 50-year-old officer was writing a ticket during a traffic stop when a man walked up to his driver's side window and opened fire. he shot marconi in the head from outside the car and then the suspect reached through the window and shot the 20-year veteran, again. police releasing this photo of a man who may be in connection with the shooting. and this photo of a car they say fled the scene. >> most families will be celebrating the holidays. sapd will be burying one of its own. >> reporter: hours later in st. louis a 40-year-old sergeant was waiting in traffic when a man pulled up to the driver's side of his patrol vehicle and opened fire. he shot the 20-year veteran twice in the face. >> he saw the muzzle flashes and felt the glass breaking in his window. >> reporter: the suspect apparently worried about being identified now dead after a shootout with officers overnight. no other officers were injured. >> we were tracking him. we came to this neighborhood.
we found him. he shot at police officers, again. police officers returned fire. >> reporter: another officer shot in missouri late sunday night in a traffic stop in gladstone. that's near kansas city. and in florida, a suspect already in custody after police say officer jared chiconi was shot while conducting a routine traffic stop. he was on the side of the road when a suspect drove by and started shooting. he was injured, but has since been released from the hospital. at this point, investigators, important to point out that they don't believe there are any direct links between any of these cases. but in the meantime, alisyn, sobering statistics showing that the number of officers killed in the line of duty this year to date has already exceeded what we saw during 2015. >> those are terrible numbers, polo. let's discuss with sergeant and professor at john j. college and
former atf executive matthew horace. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here. no direct link between these four shootings but they all happened within the 24-hour period and the mo seems awfully similar. do you think that there is some sort of loose coordination? >> i think there's more copy cats than anything else. we've seen this now happen a couple other times within the past few weeks from a variety of different suspects and perpetrators. so, i don't think we can make a direct correlation but, unfortunately, we have a situation where it it's becoming their mo. this is something very disturbing. >> matthew, a little bit developing information right now. we can put out the car that police are looking for in san ant antonio, as well as a picture of the suspect. there is a manhunt under way and this is who they are looking for, at least in terms of a
person of interest. these are good photos. they're going to be able to find this guy. >> you'll see this come to a very quick close out. we have a vehicle and suspect identification. someone out there knows who this is and someone knows that vehicle. you'll start to see intel start to come in. people will be making calls and sending e-mails and, hopefully, within a very short period of time we'll see this thing come to a close. >> police might know who this is by now or might have a license plate picture. >> 100%. if you know like i know when you shoot and kill a police officer, we'll find you very quickly and, remember, in the citizen's best interest to help us when that person is still out there because that individual is a threat to everyone. >> matthew, do you think these are copy cats, what joe was saying? >> to an extent. all these issues come into play like mental health and what people see. i don't know if there are specific copy cats but these ambush attacks are taking a toll on law enforcement. dallas, baton rouge and this weekend if you look at the numbers between this year and
last year and you take away the ambush attacks, we're behind the curve and not ahead of it. we're in a tough time. >> what is going on, joe? what is happening out there? how do you explain the root of why there are more ambush attacks right now on police officers? >> well, unfortunately, many people are going to point to the protest over police over the last few years that led up to this, but probably no direct evidence for that. the issue that comes down to is that we know there is a strong dislike for law enforcement in this country right now under what's happening. and i think that we, you know, we need to address that. police departments have to get out in front of this, too. >> how? >> they need to communicate better. we have social media and reaching out to the community and they have ways of being able to do things that they never had 20 years ago and they need to engage more. >> i think to a certain extent, that would help. no cure for crazy. some of the people committing these heinous cracks are -- >> doesn't it help to get the message out that police officers are your friends and they're doing god's work and help the
community and in the community and risk their lives every day. all those sorts of things to counteract the other messaging that we heard because of all the police-involved shootings where innocent, unarmed people have been shot. there is a big pr issue that needs to happen right now in this country. >> 100%. if you look at the report from the "wall street journal" last year over 20 years public confidence and law enforcement is at an all-time low. with that, i know a lot of departments are dealing with this whole social media issue. the optics that come into play. but even with that, the people that are going to commit acts like this just like in baton rouge, just like in dallas oftentimes they aren't the ones that we're target anyway. >> troubling times, guys. thank you very much for all your insight. let's get over to chris. back to the formation of our new government. president-elect donald trump may be ready to announce some new cabinet picks today. he had a very busy weekend of interviews at one of his golf clubs. meetings there. but trump also found time to escalate his twitter feuds with
the cast of broadway's "hamil n "hamilton" and "saturday night live." jason carroll live outside trump tower in new york with more. jason? >> and more meetings scheduled here today at trump tower. one of those scheduled to show up former texas governor rick perry said to be considered to head up the energy department. he said back in 2011 that would be one of the departments he would eliminate so he might have some explaining to do once he gets here to trump tower. president-elect donald trump interviewing potential cabinet picks, but has not yet made a decision on who will be secretary of state. >> we made a couple of deals, but we'll let you know soon. >> reporter: meeting with one of his top adversaries 2012 gop nominee mitt romney about possibly joining his administration. >> not only a cordial meeting but a very substantive meeting. governor romney is under active and serious consideration to serve as secretary of state.
>> reporter: the two men frequently sparring during trump's campaign. >> donald trump is a phony. >> romney choked like a dog. he choked. >> reporter: a steady stream of possible cabinet picks in front of the cameras throughout the weekend. including loyalists like former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. trump repeatedly praising retired marine corps general james mattis the leading candidate for secretary of defense. >> all i can say is he is the real deal. >> reporter: mattis widely respected throughout the military could be the first former ranking general to become defense secretary in nearly 70 years. trump also considering billionaire investor wilbur ross for commerce secretary. ross, the type of administration official trump pledged to appoint throughout his campaign, a businessman with a history of resurrecting dying companies who has billions in the bank. but, in the middle of assembling his new team, trump making his
grievances to twitter. this time criticizing the cast of the hit broadway musical "hamilton. kae for this message delivered to vice president elect mike pence friday night. >> to uphold our american valus and work on behalf of all of us. all of us. >> reporter: in a series of tweets, trump says mike pence was harassed. and that the cast was very rude. trump insisting they should apologize for their "terrible behavior." >> i wasn't offended by what was said. i'll leave to others whether that was the appropriate venue to say it. >> reporter: trump would not let it go. >> it was very inappropriate. >> reporter: so, a number of people vying for a chance to be part of a trump administration. ready to move to washington, d.c. two people not ready to move to d.c., at least not yet his wife melania and their 10-year-old
son, barron. they'll stay in new york for a bit so barron can finish out the school year. senior adviser to the president-elect kellyanne conway. you have been holding a lot of meetings, but we are distracted from a little bit of the analysis of the cabinet by the tweeting, once again. you say you want him to communicate directly with the people. certainly it's part of his tool kit that helped him become president. i don't think anybody can reasonably deny that. but, do you believe that this is a good thing for him going forward asking for equal time as president? you know, you don't get that going after critics. is this really how he will spend his time as president? >> he has over 25 million followers on facebook and twitter and it's a great way for him to take his message directly to people and cut through the noise or silence. whatever it may be. important things he's saying or doing is getting zero coverage. sometimes cut through the nonsense of people telling americans what is important to
them, which we saw through the elections wasn't true. people being told this issue, and americans said, no, it's not. what is important to me is this 100-day plan where he'll drain the swamp and pass meaningful reform. >> that's not what he's tweeting about. he said that "hamilton" is overrated -- >> that's his opinion and your opinion. i'm going. i'm taking my 12-year-olds for their birthdays. >> they'll love it. >> they may love it. >> why take up "snl"? no president does it. why take it up? why waste the time? why distract? >> why do you care? who is to say that he can't do that, make a comment, spend five minutes on a tweet and making a comment and -- >> having the right to do it i absolute. as my president -- >> then focus on what he did this week as your president-elect. which was unprecedented.
>> it's on me for focusing on it? >> i didn't say he wasn't responsible, but you're assigning malice and you're assigning wrongdoing to him where it doesn't exist. we all should have learned a lesson that that doesn't fly with the voters. >> this is about his base as an insurgent -- >> we won michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania for the first time in a decade. >> not like it was a blowout. you won by 100,000 votes and lost the popular vote. he's now president of everybody. >> and he will be. >> why focus on divisions is what i'm saying. >> not focus on divisions. this network and other people will always be focused on his divisions. >> how have we not done that? >> by this conversation and others. >> the tweeting is on him. that's all i'm saying. >> he is tweeting about the people he is meeting, which have been phenomenal. i have been in the tower every day when people are coming in and out and you're talking about
literally dozens and dozens of meetings with heads of state and sitting in former governors, senators. this is a diverse group of people who come from many different backgrounds who are all lending their opinions and advice and experience to the vice president elect and vice president elect and a leader takes the counsel of many people and that's what he is doing. >> a leader should also have a thick skin. jeff sessions. what do you believe anticipate the problems with confirmation to be because of his history that are going to be a big concern. >> let's talk about his history. attorney general of alabama and before that the u.s. attorney. he made sure that one of the clansman son who murdered an aphrokeep american man got the death penalty. he pushed for that. the first time a white man was give on the death penalty for killing an african-american man in alabama since 1913. he voted to confirm one of his
predecessors former attorney eric holder and president obama's pick. he could have just said, what a lot of democrats are saying now. i don't like his politics. i'm not going to vote for him. yet, he did. he respected president obama's right to appoint -- >> got denied a judgeship in 1986. was there a reason for that? >> yes. people like arlen specter later said i shouldn't have denied it. >> wouldn't it be easier for him to come out and say, rb that's me about joking -- >> he has said that. >> i believe the naacp is a good organization. i believe the voting rights act is an important -- >> he has been actively against that act for a long time. >> look at the full measure of the man. i know people who don't want to respect the election results whoever they are out there. >> i think that's an excuse, kellyanne. >> they're still in campaign
mode. >> attorney general, your choice, he's actively against the vote. >> why didn't democrats put anybody up against him when he ran in 2014? >> in alabama? >> sure. >> if you're against him say i'm going to stop this guy because of who he is. they couldn't do it. they're looking at the full record. he's been the united states senator for 20 years. a law enforcement officer before that. he is incredibly qualified. look, the criteria for any of these posts, chris, number one, are you qualified and doing the job on day one? secondly, are you loyal to the agenda that the president-elect has put forward as his vision? he has a right to go ahead and implement that with the advisors that he surrounds himself with. that's what confirmation hearings are for. courtesy to someone they worked with and who they know in fullness. some pundits out there saying his name should be resubmitted because they have no place in saying -- >> that's an opinion. i'm asking about the facts of their service. i'm happy to put them right where you are. any time he wants.
rudy giuliani or mitt romney for secretary of state. there seems to be this binary conversation going on here. one or the other. is that true in terms of the internal calculus? is rudy giuliani not up for anything else if he doesn't become secretary of state? >> i can't discuss the particulars but they both met with mr. trump this weekend. president-elect trump this weekend. they both have been very distinguished public servants. and very different roles in president-elect trump's campaigns. >> different roles. you are good, kellyanne. i have to tell you. >> a long short list for each of these positions. he met with senator bob corker from tennessee who is rheumered to be on the -- my previous conversation. not everyone who comes to meet with him is going to be in his cabinet or in his federal government. and i think that's important to remember because we're really happy that so many people want to come and give their counsel.
honestly, to express their wisdom and share their experience and share their advice. a lot what mitt romney said about the world when he ran against president obama has come true. he knows an awful lot about the world. i thought it was very gracious. very, very small class of people who have run the presidential nominees or their party and also successful job creators. >> the president-elect is willing to forgive all the things said about him by mitt romney? >> a very gracious, forgiving person. he is the man who is in command and control of these ultimate decisions. one of the first pieces of character and leadership is that you're willing to listen to other people. i saw it when he was a candidate and i see it as president-elect and you'll see it as president of the united states. >> kellyanne conway, thank you for being here. long been dismissed as the fly over states but was it a revenge from the millions of
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>> this election could be well understood as the revenge of flyover country. that was republican senator ted cruz crediting rural america for donald trump's election victory. he says trump's win is a repudiation of elites on both coasts. in fact, cnn exit polling shows donald trump winning the majority of rural and suburban america. can this be characterized as a middle america takeover? joining us now is michael smerconish. hi, michael. >> good morning. >> so, is this a middle america takeover? do you agree with that premise? >> i do. i think there was a rural revolt. let me give a tip of the hat of david wassermann because he crunches this data in a way that i can understand. and he portrays it as cracker barrel versus whole foods. alisyn, there are 3,100 counties in the united states. cracker barrel and whole foods
which reach two different audiences overlap in only about 90 of those counties. listen to this, donald trump won 76% of counties with a cracker barrel and only 22% of those with a whole foods. that's a 54% gap. if you go back to 1992, the gap between the two was only 19%. and it's grown every single presidential election since '92. it grew the largest in this particular election. so, there's no doubt about it. there's this increasing rural versus urban and suburban divide. >> is there a virtue in this? i mean, it keeps getting liken by commentators and big thinkers to the nationalism movement that is sweeping across europe as a manifestation of the far right as whites coming back against diversity. against the elites and the wealthy. how do you see it? >> i see it more economic than i do see it predicated on race and
ethnicity. and, you know, the key question now going forward for the next four years is whether president-elect trump having been elected by folks who are suffering in rural america, suffering more so than those urban and suburban areas, can he deliver the jobs? i know we get caught up in the all the incendiary rhetoric but it was based on job pictures. >> a lot of talk about steve bannon, obviously, one of trump's top white house strategists and who he is, he has not been in the public but people know about the breitbart website he had ran. he describes himself now and how he sees the country. he gave an interview to "the wall street journal." i'm an economic nationalist. american first guy and admired national movements throughout the world. i said repeatedly strong nations
make great neighbors. i've also repeatedly that the ethno-nationalist movement. >> i thought the interview was really inoisightful and i'm gla he gave someone access. he wasn't on television for the duration of the campaign. ever since coming aboard in august. we're all trying to read the tea leaves and know what is in his head. people are trying to hold him accountable for a lot of words and headlines that aren't his. you know, to hear what is on his mind -- >> if he was running breitbart, wasn't he responsible for the content? >> i don't think you can hold him accountable for everything on that website. i'm not a defender of the tone of that website. i think it leads to the coarsening of the language. but david horowitz wrote that headline pertaining to bill
kristol. but here's my take away from the interview. he sounds very establishment like. you know, read the totality of that interview and you hear a guy who says, can i work with paul ryan to advance donald trump's agenda? oh, yeah, reince priebus and the rnc and i thought, boy, this is not the guy any longer from the outside throwing stones towards the establishment. very quickly, he's a part of the process now. >> just point of claur fiction as you well know, michael. breitbart is not just about tone. that is an agenda machine that ignores fact and creates a lot of stories and narratives. it's not just about tone. but, when it comes to bannon, how do you explain if all of this is neutral and a lot of talk and labels, then why are all these white nationalnationa types trying to get to the administration and getting access and celebrating trump's victory? you know what i mean, if it's
just word and doesn't reverberate, why do you have people who are anti-diversity and trying to build up white america's reach and control over everything, again. why is that happening if there is no connection between the two? >> i am the last guy who would defend any of that business. i think the reality is that they were willing to accept the support when they needed every one of those votes. but, chris, i'd be shocked if anyone who had those credentials is given a seat at the table in this administration. >> bannon was just given a seat at the table. bannon was just given a seat at the table. >> what are the bannon words for which we ought to hold him accountable. a statement that was made by the x wife in the course of a domestic disturbance. >> well he says and i'll tell you some of his words. he wants to destroy the state that was a quote from a previous article and he doesn't believe
in the ethno nationalism. that's the term he's using for diversity. >> he believes in the use of division. he believes, you know, he believes in these tactics that were very effective for trump. just because something is effective doesn't mean it's good. look, i get that you don't want to hold him accountable for everything that he says in a place that he controls. there seems to be an odd correlation if not causation here, michael. >> there's no doubt about that. i can see the breitbart headline you're creating. i'm not defending bannon. i want to hold bannon accountable for bannon's conduct and bannon's words. and camerota agrees. i lost my train of thought. i don't even know what i was about to say. >> i have a segue for you, what happened at "hamilton" this weekend where the cast stopped and addressed personally vp elect mike pence to tell them that they hope he would be vice
president for everyone. you, i understand, are on donald trump's side about this one saying it was inappropriate. >> you know, a decade ago i laid out a lot of money because i wanted to listen to roger waters at madison square garden. and i was there to hear that the pink floyd founder perform comfortably numb. and, instead, i got a lecture on habeas corpus rights for prisoners at guantanamo when i was a seat probably two miles away from ground zero. i'll never forget it. i thought it was so inappropriate. i was simply to enjoy the music. i take note to the fact that governor pence says he wasn't offended by it, but as mike parents would say. time and a place, time and a place, time and a place. i don't think that was the time and place for him to be lectured by the cast of "hammeltop." >> a lot of people feel it is no longer the time to be polite.
it was after the show, michael. >> come on. i think that's really splitting hair. he was there to enjoy their performance and he would have had tahave been a knucklehead to not take away the message of that performance. wasn't that enough? >> we can't wait to see the headlines that come out of this. >> thank you. >> michael, thank you. so, there's more than just politics on donald trump's mind as he prepares to assume the presidency. a large number of legal issues still facing the president-elect. business, so-called philanthropy. how serious are these and what could they mean going forward to the presidency?
>> it's something i could have said numerous times. i just don't believe in settling, especially when you're right. i don't like to settle. when i'm right about something, i like to go to court. so i'll go to court. that was president-elect donald trump back in march saying, in case you could not hear him, does not settle lawsuits. he does not believe in settling
them. he's now defending his decision to settle a $25 million suit to end the fraud cases against trump university. he's tweeted, i settled the trump university lawsuit for a small fraction of the policy reward because as president i have to focus on our country. joining us with more timothy o'brien and richard painter, former white house ethics lawyer. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us to help us understand what's going on here. so, timothy, donald trump just settled, as we said for $25 million. he says he never settles when he's in the right. can we assume he was not in the right here? >> i don't think that he was in the right here. i think he would have had a very tough court case if it went to court, if it went to trial. i think he risked humongous fines in excess of $25 million. i think he was anxious to get this out of the way because it is a blot on his business record and it was baggage coming into the white house. now, he's also got the trump foundation issues still
outstanding. >> we'll get to those in a second, but one more thing to the trump university so that everybody understands, richard, there were 7,000 students who were involved in these class action suits. they're now going to split the $25 million. whatever that math is. so, does that mean that the fact that he has settled, he's not admitting wrongdoing. but does that mean that 7,000 students were defrauded by trump university? richard? >> i don't think that it necessarily means anything with respect to the merits oof the case, the fact that you settled. these types of suits are filed all the time and sometimes they have merit and sometimes they don't. the fact of the matter is if he holds on to this business empire, he will be hit with a lot of these frivolous suits and, also, some genuine suits. and i don't know whether this one was frivolous or genuine. he will have to deal with a lot of it. the supreme court made it very
clear that the president could be sued and a personal capacity. he is going to have to deal with that going forward. i think if he isn't going to sell this business empire, there is going to be nothing but litigation for the next four years. we went through that with bill clinton. we don't need to have that, again. >> let's look at some of those. there are pending lawsuits right now. the things you're talking about, richard, that could crop up sooner than later. there are lawsuits against celebrity chefs who backed out of the trump d.c. hotel. they didn't like when trump was saying inflammatory things about immigrants. they backed out. now a lawsuit against them. trump, florida golf course members are suing over their fees. there is a former employee who alleges she was fired for reporting sexual harassment. protesters at some of his rallies claim that trump security assaulted them. there's a lawsuit. and republican consultant, there is a libel lawsuit. timothy, what do you think is going to happen with these? >> look, a big portion of these are lightweight cases.
and he should just clear the decks with these. >> meaning settle. he should settle. he says he never settles. because he is now president he should settle to get these off. >> especially the ones that are garbage cases. it was a very serious case that had serious allegations of wrongdoing. >> 7,000 people were defrauded. >> the promises were made to people and those promises weren't delivered upon and trump used his reputation and his brand to scam people. and i think in the trump foundation investigation, you have a similar set of charges in a different area or a similar set of issues in a different area. >> meaning what? there was an investigation by the new york state attorney general into the trump foundation. what are the big issues there? >> that it essentially wasn't a charitable foundation. that trump was soliciting donations and then using donations for political purposes or business purposes. but wasn't using them for authentically philanthropic purposes.
>> richard, if he's going to follow your advice and that is clear the deck because the american public doesn't need to go through more litigation as they did, say during bill clinton's presidency. how does he get out from under this? >> well, it's a very difficult situation. and i don't know whether the trump university suit was a suit with good merits or not. but he's going to get hit with a lot of these. he needs to, i think, do everything he can to avoid it, which means getting rid of, selling off his business empire, which will at least reduce some of the litigation. he's going to have litigation. >> the blind trust doesn't work for you, richard. he has to sell it outright? >> of course blind trust can work but you have to sell the assets. you can't put the assets in a blind trust and pretend you don't own them. that's not a blind trust. you have to dispose of the assets first through initial public offering or some other plan. that will reduce the exposure to litigation. but the other thing, if he's
going to be in litigation, don't make the mistake that president clinton made whether it's the deposition testimony or the mistake that donald trump already made comments about a federal judge. we really do not need to get sidetracked in this presidency. he has a job to do and he shouldn't be having to deal with this type of thing coming up out of the trump business empire. >> okay. let's see what happens. obviously, in the next coming weeks. thank you so much for all of your expertise. let's get to chris. some immigrants in america overcome by fear as president-elect donald trump heads to the oval office in less than two months. they have a message for him and they have a plan. we'll tell you what both are, next. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job?
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there is fear among many in the immigrant community. it is as palpable as you can get, especially as the days tick closer to donald trump's presidency. trump's hard hitting, often rhetoric has families scrambling and putting together worst-case scenarios. the what ifs of the potential future. cnn's rosa flores has more about this from oklahoma city. >> i want him to have one day of the life that i live. >> reporter: this immigrant mother challenges president-elect donald trump to feel her biggest fear. being ripped from her children because she could be deported. >> break families.
would he want to leave his family? >> reporter: lily who is only sharing her first name has lived in oklahoma for 20 years. she was brought to the u.s. as a child and now has five u.s.-born children. >> you have a dream. when you buy a house, you want your grandchildren to come visit. bye, guys. have a good day. >> reporter: but in a trump america, she says that that dream may not come true. she is selling her home and preparing her children for her possible deportation. lily is not alone, says imththi immigration attorney. her clients have called wanting to know how they can survive a trump presidency. >> we have no idea what is going to come from the next administration. but there's a lot of scary rumors and the president completely has the control to
take some pretty significant action. >> reporter: this isn't the first time that fear has taken over the immigrant community here. something very similar happened when a state immigration passed in 2007. the fear of deportation turned to panic and that panic turned into an exodus of immigrants. the law made it undocumented immigrants, homes in immigrant neighborhood sat vacant and businesses closed and people like lily fled to other states. >> i was sleeping in my car. >> what about your kids? >> i had to leave them here with my mom. >> reporter: the other unintended consequence, according to police, crimes in immigrant neighborhoods went unreported. >> the real fear is that the police are going to become, basically, that door-to-door extension of immigration laws. and historically, historically that's never been our role.
>> reporter: as trump's inauguration draws near, lily cherishes every little moment with her children. >> i wish donald would see what we have to go through, that's all. >> reporter: rosa flores, cnn, oklahoma city. >> there's a ton of cases like that and it's -- some people like lily, i don't know if this is her case, brought here as children who didn't even know that they were undocumented until they became adults. >> right. >> and they've already put down, obviously, roots, and they believe they are american and have families and then what do you do about them? >> not the majority of cases. look, one of the problems here is that when you say a lot of things that sound good to a certain base in the country that feels disenfranchised by immigration, it works. we just saw that here. but what will the reality be? will he be able to deport -- probably not. you're hearing him say more of that now. the president-elect. that dozen mean if you're not in
that position you're not petrified of how you're going to take care of your kids and that's why we're covering it. >> he first said secure the borders, that's his first priority. they don't have to worry today. >> he said a lot of things. one of president-elect donald trump's promises replace obama care. those face a desperate health care situation. we'll talk about that ahead.
we do have some breaking news for you. hundreds of protesters and police clash near the site of the dakota pipeline. officers using tear gas and water cannons in freezing temperatures. demonstrators setting fire to cars and parts of a bridge. cnn's paul vercammen has the breaking details. what's the latest, paul? >> very aggressive is how the demonstrators is being described. 100 to 200 of these demonstrators remain on this bridge where police are holding a line. authorities saying that ongoing riot at one point. the sheriff's department saying that the demonstrators threw rocks, shot rocks, and sling shots, and tossed burning logs. one officer hit on the head with a rock. no word on his condition at this time.
now, authorities also responded with a water cannon, as you pointed out, and tear gas, and the standing tribal leaders medics and healers saying in 20 degree temperatures there's a risk of hypothermia. they're calling for the stop of the use of water cannons saying this could cause a risk of life. tribal leaders also saying this pipeline could destroy sacred sites. they're also worried about water contamination eventually but the backers of this $3.7 billion project say it is safe and efficient way to transport oil. >> all right, you got the politics, then you got the practicalities on the ground. got to keep an eye on why they're using that water cannon. hopefully they're using a very high bar given the destructive nature of it in these temperatures. thank you for the reporting this morning. all right so switching topics here. most of president-elect trump's campaign rhetoric focused on repealing and replacing obamacare. this is very popular among the gop and members of the political
right. but our next guest says if that happens, children are going to suffer. joining us now is president and co-founder of the children's health fund, dr. irwin redliner. he's here to exclusively unveil a new report that he's hoping will convince the incoming administration to keep the aca intact. good to see you. this is in "the new york times" as well. people want the detail on it. what is the head line of the report. >> the head line is that even though we've done a much better job now in ensuring more children, that is somewhat of a misconception that we're making progress. we still have about 20 million children in america, even with insurance, who are not getting the kind of health care that they need. that's really a big problem. it would have been for any administration. we're concerned now because there's some threat that if we do eliminate the affordable care act we'll put millions of children at risk. >> 20 million kids, what age range are we talking about? >> zero to 18. these are children who may not
be able to get primary care even though they have insurance. and many kids who have primary care, but when it comes to getting a specialist, it becomes extremely difficult. those kids are not getting care they need. and we need to be attentive to that. >> the commonsense pushback, these kids are young, they're healthy anyway. they don't need health care. what does that ignore? >> the fact that tremendous numbers of children, especially lower income children, but all children, really, have health care needs that must be addressed and must be addressed in a timely manner. they need their immunizations on time. they need the guidance they need to get. they need to have identification of chronic illnesses that they may have. there's just many issues that are on the table and they're vital because for many of the children who are experiencing unrecognized or untreated health conditions, those can affect their performance in school so we have a double chamois here. kids not geth getting health care and having that being a barrier to being educated.
>> we always have health professionals like you telling parents you don't know until you know. isn't this proof that the aca doesn't work and we have to repeal and replace it because you still have 20 million kids not getting coverage? >> the aca reduced the number of uninsured children from 10 million to just a little over 3 million. so on the insurance front we're making a tremendous amount of progress. but we now have to do is figure out what are the barriers that are keeping kids from getting care even with insurance. for example there are children who live in extreme shortage areas they live in counties or communities where there's less than one doctor for 3,000 people. they're living in communities where there is no affordable transportation to allow the parents to take the kids to the doctor even if they want to. which almost all parents do. and there's a lot of these barriers that we call noninsurance or nonfinancial barriers that now have to be addressed. so we get those 20 million kids into an appropriate health care system. >> so, part of trump's campaign was we can do better. let's repeal and replace the
aca, obamacare, and we'll have a plan, ryan has a plan, the gop has a plan. what is out there that would take care of these kids? >> well, unfortunately, nothing really there's nothing that's been presented even as a vague idea that would actually replace the value of the affordable care act. affordable care act needs amending. it needs fixing. there are issues around cost and so forth that they have to take care of. to say blanketly we're just going to remove it -- >> what would happen if you get rid of it? >> we put somewhere between 2 million and 5 million children at risk of losing even the insurance that they have. and i -- >> why? >> it's a disaster because many, many children. several million children have gotten their health insurance through programs of the affordable care act. so if we pull the plug on that, that means that millions of them will be now -- >> medicaid will pick them up? >> medicaid actually won't pick them up. medicaid is picking them up now because medicaid was one of the things that was expanded by obamacare. and that's what we don't want to
fool with. we want to say we want to leave that, because we want those kids who remain on medicaid. >> we'll give their parents health savings accounts and they'll be able to pay for it. >> health savings accounts don't work for the kinds of care that children need. >> why? >> that means you have to say i'm going to use this money to buy something that maybe preventive, which is critically important for children. we don't want anybody saying we can't afford it, we're not going to use our health savings account, we're just going to hold onto it. holding onto it means that kids are not going to be getting care that they need. >> you were a clinton guy. you were going to be part of her transition team. >> i was. >> have you reached out to the incoming administration for help -- >> i have started to do exactly that. and i think they'll be receptive. donald trump has, you know, five kids and eight grandchildren. i think there will be receptivity. that is my hope that there will be. it's a question of speaking to the right people in the campaign. it really the same way i would have done what's inside the hillary clinton administration. that it's here's a big problem. we got insurance under control
more or less, and now we have to deal with the barriers that are not insurance. getting doctors to underserved areas. fixing the transportation system. the other big thing is there's been a lot of talk about fixing our infrastructure. >> right. >> bridges, tunnels, et cetera. well in some ways children are human infrastructure. we need investments in children, at least as much as we need investment in our physical attributes. and that's one of the cases we want to make sheer. >> doctor irwin redlenner you can read more about this in "the new york times." please keep us apprised of the efforts to protect these kids going forward so we can report on it. >> will do. >> thank you for being with us. all right there is a lot of news this morning. there is an active manhunt for a police shooter. let's get to it. >> celebrating the holidays, sapd will be burying one of its own. >> four police officers have been shot in ambush attacks across the country. >> targeted because he was a police officer. make no mistake about it. this is pure evil. >> appreciate the chance to speak with the president-elect.
>> he's going to surround himself with men and women from diverse backgrounds. >> really great people. these are really, really talented people. >> we did not have the kind of strong, bold, and pointed economic message. >> i cannot speak highly enough of nancy pelosi. she's a remarkable leader. >> we've got to move in another direction. >> this is "new day." with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day." it's monday, november 21st. 8:00 in the east. and we do begin with breaking news. there have been four police officers shot in a series of ambush-style attacks in several different states. the attacks coming just hours apart. two officers were shot in missouri. one in florida, another in texas. the officer there died. >> a manhunt is intensifying in and around the san antonio area to find the gunman who killed a veteran officer. cnn paolo sandoval is live in san antonio with all of the latest details. what's the