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i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello. i'm john berman. kate is off today. our breaking news, any minute, you are looking at live pictures right now from san antonio, where police will hold a news conference on the huge manhunt currently under way for the person who gunned down an officer who was sitting inside his police car, just outside police headquarters. after this ambush, the shooter drove away. as i said, there's a manhunt under way right now. we are waiting for updates on any developments there. for the past 24 hours, four officers around the country have been shot. this has happened in three different states. so this is a cause for concern this morning. again, we will bring you to san antonio the minute that news conference begins. meantime, this morning we are watching trump tower, where there is a flurry of activity
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and wide range of new unanswered questions, in some cases evaded questions. is the president-elect about to announce his pick for secretary of state or defense? are there any lines at all between the business of trump inc. and the business of america? does he intend to observe any lines going forward? does congress intend any oversight over these lines, if in fact they actually exist? does donald trump dislike all broadway musicals or just this year's tony award winner? all this swirling as president-elect trump has meeting after meeting today, including we just learned with one surprising democrat. cnn's jason carroll joins us from outside trump tower with the very latest. good morning. a lot going on. >> reporter: a lot going on. back-to-back meetings yesterday as you know, more and more meetings taking place today. you talk about that surprise, that congresswoman from hawaii, tulsi gabbard, is a democrat now under consideration, former
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combat vet, perhaps considering for defense secretary, secretary of state or u.s. ambassador. you will remember that donald trump said not that long ago that he would not consider having a democrat in his cabinet, but as you know, things sometimes change. she was scheduled to meet with trump within the past hour. other folks on the list as well, former labor secretary elaine chow, also the governor of oklahoma, mary fallon perhaps under consideration for secretary of the interior. also scheduled to meet with trump today here at trump tower, former texas governor rick perry, who at one point said that he would eliminate the department of energy, now under consideration to head up that department. so he might have some explaining to do there. as i said, back-to-back meetings here today. he also had back-to-back meetings yesterday, not at this location, but at his property in
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new jersey. he also met with one of his political foes, mitt romney, under consideration for that coveted spot of secretary of state. the meeting apparently went very very well. kellyanne conway, campaign manager, summed up the whole process in this way. >> there's a long short list for each of these positions. he's also met with senator bob corker from tennessee who is rumored to be on the list for secretary of state. there are others obviously who are qualified. again, let's go back to my previous comment which is not everyone who consults with the president-elect and comes to meet with him is going to be in his cabinet or in his federal government. >> reporter: we should also note that later today, the trump team is expected to release a video where trump will outline some of the issues that are key to him, issues that he wants to focus in on such as trans-pacific partnership. he wants to get rid of tpp. energy and national security, immigration and also the condition of u.s. workers. there's also been some talk about what trump would end up
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doing for thanksgiving, would he stay here, would he head to florida. turns out he is going to be heading to florida for thanksgiving. >> jason carroll, thanks so much. it's notable, that video release, by this stage of the game most president-elects have held news conferences or spoken to the press or at least made statements to camera. that really hant happened with this president-elect. it is notable he's choosing to release a video, very controlled release. joining us, cnn political analyst, washington bureau chief for the daily beast, jackie kucinich. princeton professor julian selzar and cnn political director david challian. there's a lot to discuss. i covered two of his presidential campaigns, mitt romney, the former massachusetts governor, former republican nominee, former harsh personal critic of donald trump. had a meeting in new jersey yesterday and over the last 24 hours, no one has done anything to knock down the idea that mitt
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romney could end up as secretary of state. >> that's right. you remember before the meeting, a lot of folks in romney's most inner circle sort of said well, this is going to be very difficult for mitt romney to sort of get to the pleaace of saying something like this. we haven't seen anyone knock this down yet. we knew a lot would hinge on how that meeting went. the fact that after that meeting, from the trump side which clearly they would like this, they would like romney on board with this idea of being secretary of state, pence went out yesterday and said how active and real the consideration is and with no one on the romney side knocking it down, you have to say that this is being considered by mitt romney and i don't know that we will get an announcement today or not but this would be an astounding pick. i think it goes much beyond barack obama putting hillary clinton in his cabinet. this would be a real team of rivals moment. mitt romney was opposed to trump throughout the entire general election as well. >> hang on one second.
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i want to go to san antonio right now for this news conference on the officer who was ambushed and murdered outside police headquarters there. i believe this is going to be the police chief explaining what happened, the latest developments. let's listen in. >> good morning, everyone. thanks for being here. as i promised, i would keep you all updated. that's what we're going to do this morning. since the shooting we have been able to develop a suspect from this video surveillance. that suspect is not in custody. the video of the suspect is posted on sapd's facebook. we ask if you would to show it as often as possible. the suspect is described as a black male in his 20s, thin build, 5'8" to 5'10" with a goatee. the vehicle is a 2009 to 2012
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black mitsubishi gallant with custom rims. further information pertaining to this ongoing investigation which could be compromised, which could compromise the future prosecution of the murderer when he is arrested, we will not talk about that. so bear with me if you ask me questions, if i can't release it, the information, i'm going to tell you that and let's let it drop right there. we continue to ask our partners in the public for their assistance in identifying the suspect. if you have any information, please call police at 911 or crimestoppers at 224-stop. our state and federal law enforcement partners are working with us to aggressively investigate this case and we will continue that without stop, without fail, until this suspect is in custody. again, we consider this suspect to be extremely dangerous both to the police and to the public.
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so if you see him, see this car out there, or see the individual that you believe matches the description of the person in the video, please call us. don't approach him on your own. we will entertain any questions you may have. >> reporter: why was this man outside headquarters? >> we questioned a number of people. he was one of them. who are you talking about? >> reporter: the surveillance photo of this man -- >> okay. yeah. i don't know why he was at headquarters. we have some ideas why we believe he may have been at headquarters. but we are not quite sure. there's several motives we are looking at. >> reporter: in that video he leaned down and said something over the intercom that allowed him access. do you know what he said? >> i do but i'm not going to reveal that right now. we don't know that that really plays into the investigation. but i'm not going to put out too many details on that. >> reporter: did you ever find out what happened to the original driver? did he witness any of this?
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>> the original driver was questioned by our homicide detectives. >> reporter: you said you questioned a number of people. is that correct? >> we talked to a number of people. >> reporter: they were all released? >> yes. >> reporter: chief, the suspect in the video clearly looks agitated. he's pacing back and forth. do you feel there's a connection between the suspect's state of mind at that point and what happened four hours later? >> i can only be speculating so i don't know. i don't want to speculate on that. >> reporter: can you tell us why you believe him to be the suspect? >> there's a number of reasons for that that the investigators have surmised, but based on their conversations about the issue. but i'm not going to go into that level of detail. >> reporter: can you say what time this happened, what time he tried to get into the police department? >> it was earlier in the
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morning. >> reporter: 7:45? >> yes. yes. >> reporter: do you know who he talked to in the police department and why he left only 20 seconds after entering? >> he talked to the clerk at the desk. >> reporter: can you tell us what -- >> he asked a question, the clerk said they would help him with that and he said never mind and walked out. >> reporter: do you know what the question was? >> yes. >> reporter: what did he ask? >> i'm not going to say what it was. >> reporter: can you categorize the breadth of this [ inaudible ]? >> we have pulled out all the stops. we have engaged our federal partners, our state partners and our local partners in the search for this individual. the search has gone on since we started yesterday afternoon and has not stopped all night, and to this point, and it will not stop until this person is in custody.
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>> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> we spoke with him and he was released. pardon? [ inaudible question ] >> there's a task force, i will call it, working on this case. the person was brought in for questioning and released. >> reporter: have you been in touch with your counterparts in st. louis? you believe this was just an incredibly tragic coincidence that the same thing happened to an officer there several hours after it happened to our officer? >> i will say that it is certainly a coincidence but we are not going to venture to say that it's connected. >> reporter: -- based on what's happening around the country, especially yesterday, for lack of a better word, that they feel targeted? >> absolutely feel targeted. i feel we were targeted.
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>> reporter: do you think he was targeted specifically or do you think this person was looking for anybody in law enforcement? >> i think the uniform was the target. anyone who happened -- first person who happened along was the person he targeted. >> reporter: we have heard several calls from people saying they thought they saw the vehicle. >> say that again? >> reporter: can you talk about what kind of phone calls have you gotten from the public thinking they have seen this person? >> we have been getting many calls. [ inaudible question ] >> yes. until this individual is apprehended, yes. >> reporter: were there any other uniformed personnel in the lobby? >> no. >> reporter: when you say doubling up, is that two people per patrol car or two cars following each other? >> two people -- two officers per car. right now it's an option. but we are encouraging it.
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>> reporter: have you met with detective marconi's family? is there anything the community can do to help? >> we have. the community as always, we are looking for information. anyone out there who knows anything at all, no matter how trivial they think it may be, we want to know about it. 911 or 224-stop. >> reporter: any more about the suspect that you care to share? do you know if he's from the area? is he known to the police department? >> we don't know if he's from the area. but our net is -- we have cast it in a very wide area. >> reporter: what can be seen on the dashboard cam, if anything? >> a lot of things. >> reporter: audio and video? >> i'm not going to go into that part. there's a lot of information on the dash cam video is all i will say. >> reporter: what about the
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officer's family? a father, grandfather, kids? >> obviously as you might suspect, devastated. >> thank you, folks. appreciate it. we will have another briefing later on. we will keep you posted. >> you have been listening to san antonio police headquarters right now. that'swilkie mcmannis, briefing us on the ambush killing of detective marconi. they have a suspect, a black male in his 20s. they also believe this man drove off in a mitsubishi gallant, 2009 to 2012. there's a manhunt under way, a huge manhunt under way in the san antonio area. they believe it was the uniform that was the target, that this suspect went to police headquarters, actually went inside, asked the clerks a question so he was inside police headquarters briefly. then he left. then he murdered a police officer. there is this manhunt under way right now for this suspect they believe was targeting a police officer.
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just moments ago, at trump tower in manhattan, that former texas governor rick perry, ran for president twice including once against donald trump, is said to be under consideration for secretary of energy. his experience in texas obviously with its vast oil and mineral wealth would make him someone with experience in that field. he will be meeting with donald trump this morning. headed up the elevator moments ago to begin that process. still, i believe the most interesting and unusual meeting the president-elect has had is with former massachusetts governor mitt romney, who was very very critical of donald trump during the primary process and the general election. i'm back with the panel right now. jackie kucinich, i want to play mike pence yesterday, the vice president-elect fanning the flames of this notion that mitt romney could end up in this administration. >> i can say that governor romney is under active and serious consideration to serve as secretary of state of the united states. >> if you were with us before
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the break, david challian is saying it would be incredibly unusual even by 2016 standards. the flipside of this, besides what it means for mitt romney, is what it might mean for rudy giuliani, who was the fiercest ally in some ways that donald trump had, especially in the closing days of this general election. rudy giuliani had been whispering he's the most likely choice for secretary of state. what does this mean for the possibilities for him going forward? >> it's unclear. because if rudy giuliani isn't secretary of state, isn't attorney general, i don't know where he would fit in. you are absolutely right, he has been one of trump's loudest defenders. now, some of the scrutiny into his speeches, some of the things he did when he was out of office, some of the consulting he did abroad, has been brought to the forefront and donald trump doesn't really like when his advisers are in the news like that. there's too much attention on
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them. so has that made him fall out of favor, we don't know. a lot of this is a very large guessing game at this point. but certainly if rudy giuliani is passed over for mitt romney, that would be quite a moment. >> look, president-elect trump is supposed to be this guy who rewards loyalty. chris christie, who was loyal to him, doesn't appear to be getting a gig. rudy giuliani may be in jeopardy of not getting a gig. we may see the limits of that loyalty. quickly, tulsi gabbard, democratic representative from hawaii, going to trump tower today to meet with donald trump. we hear being considered maybe for ambassador to the u.n., also possibly secretary of defense or state. we will see about that. the fact we are seeing her, what do you make of it? >> interesting. she was a bernie sanders supporter and is someone that a populist, her populist bent does alie with some things with donald trump. she was against tpp. she voted for, one of the very few democrats to vote for a bill that really closed the idea of more refugees coming into the
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country. she was critical, openly critical of the president not using the words radical islamic terror. these -- this is not necessarily something you think of when you think of a progressive democrat. tulsi gabbard is very interesting. >> professor, the last several administrations, there has been the tradition of bringing in someone from the other party. barack obama as president-elect did it with both jon huntsman and ray lahood. before that, george w. bush did it, bill clinton did it. it's something that happens from time to time. is this something you see donald trump doing? >> well, it's done because it's symbolic. it's an effort to show that you are in favor of bipartisanship in an era of party polarization, president-elect trump had initially said he was not going to do this, but as we see with donald trump, part of this is about the show, part of this is about the appearance. so after going very hard right with his first three
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appointments, and many other possible appointments, we should remember, are not moderate. they are very hard right on most issues, this could be symbolically appealing. many democrats would not sit well with this. they are not open to participating in the administration. >> david, the professor is saying he went hard right. he's also gone hard white. he's got five picks so far, all white, all male. if diversity is something this administration values, they haven't shown it just yet. >> a lot of the names under consideration for a lot of posts fit that white male category. he did meet with michelle reid this weekend as a potential education secretary. obviously tulsi gabbard. so there are some names out there. but it is very difficult to the professor's point about where donald trump sort of will settle because a lot of this sometimes is for show, to get the conversation in a different place than it was. even to have mitt romney hanging out there for as long, even if he doesn't end up picking mitt romney as his secretary of
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state, it's probably benefited trump getting ahold of the conversation a little bit so that we weren't talking as much about some of the more controversial picks. he definitely knows how to play this and i think looking at some of the more diverse choices that he is meeting with is part of that as well. put that on display. we will see where he ends up. we will be able to assess how diverse the cabinet is once every slot is named. >> professor, what about the show? because this is an unusual transition in that respect. donald trump is not doing news conferences. he's not doing public presentations of his picks. but he is walking people in and out and he is publicly musing about who he might pick. i'm not going the read the full tweet but talked about james madis madison, said he was considering him for secretary of defense. it's unusual to engage in speculation like this. >> it's unusual for a president-elect to do it. not unusual for him. this is where his background in "the apprentice" and his background as a media star in
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new york is directly affecting how he does this. he wants to focus the media on his story lines without actually having to engage reporters. and he likes to create drama. he likes to create this kind of swirl around what he's doing. sometimes to deflect from other issues, the trump university suit being settled, or the controversy over people like senator sessions. but journalists will want access to him. this will only go so far. so he's going to have to be careful. he can't live in a bubble for the rest of his presidency. >> guys, thank you very much. some of those questions the professor was talking about, brand new concerns about conflicts of interest, potential conflicts of interest after this picture surfaced. we have the picture i believe right now. there it is. donald trump in the midst of interviewing people for possible cabinet positions, also as a have invested in his properties. plus even before donald trump
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chooses his treasury secretary, is he going to war over a treasury secretary from 225 years ago? why is he doing this and is he winning?
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new questions this morning about possible conflicts of interest as president-elect donald trump prepares for the white house or expands his business empire or both. in the midst of picking his staff, donald trump also met with indian business partners who are building trump-branded luxury apartments in india and then there are foreign diplomats staying at trump's hotel in washington because they think it gives them an inside track. then ivanka trump's presence at
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a meeting between the president-elect and prime minister of japan. let's discuss all of this with cnn political commentator errol lewis and drew harwell, national business reporter for "the washington post." drew, you had a terrific pretty in-depth article today about the scope of donald trump's interests overseas. in short, what are they and why does it matter? >> well, trump's empire is more than 100 companies across 18 countries and it ranges from these huge sort of trauultra-lu real estate developments to these holding companies and trademark deals. what it all sort of adds up to is an incredible amount of entanglements with foreign investors, business people all across the world, people who may want to curry favor with the trump white house. >> what does the law say about whether or not donald trump needs to divest from this? because there are laws that exist for cabinet positions and other people in the government. >> yeah. there are pretty strict conflict
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of interest rules pertaining to almost all elected government officials except for the president and vice president. it's sort of this bizarre kind of tick in the law that sort of was designed to give presidents a little more leeway because their job is so wide-ranging. but that law was sort of put together before we had a businessman turn president like donald trump and trump's empire is just really unpre prespreced its size and the number of companies he's established over the years. even in the companies he established during the campaign, including some tied to a potential hotel project in saudi arabia. >> so congress had lots of questions about hillary clinton and her ties to the clinton foundation charity. congress has held hearings on all kinds of things. where is the congressional oversight going to be over donald trump's business interests? >> there will be calls for congressional oversight in part because we did have to live through months of all of these sort of unfounded accusations and insinuations about whether
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or not somebody from an anti-poverty project that has run for decades contributed to the foundation so they could get a meeting with hillary clinton to do what? to do more charity. some of that stuff was very much overblown. right now, we have already got elijah cummings, the ranking member on the house oversight committee saying he would like to sort of explore this a little bit further. there are some people from both sides of the aisle who pointed out that this is going, this very much has the potential to engulf the new administration because everywhere you look in every corner of the globe, you will find conflicts. >> it would take a republican party chair in the house or senate to do something about that. >> anybody can file a lawsuit. remember, in part because of these entanglements and conflicts, you don't necessarily have to sue the president of the united states. you can sue the investor in this private business deal and it will find its way to the white house all the same which is exactly the point. he can't necessarily expect to have it both ways, to benefit from this stuff privately and
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not have any blowback. >> but there are no laws. in closing, he says he will put his businesses in a blind trust controlled by his kids. that's neither blind nor a trust. >> no. it's really not. he says he's going to create a wall between his sort of public ambitions and his private businesses but we are not seeing any wall yet. if anything, we are seeing ivanka in meeting with a head of state from japan and we are seeing these huge conflicts that are, if anything, flourishing now that he's a couple days from the oval office. i don't think these things will go away unless he really makes a commitment to creating that distance between him and his empire. >> we are waiting to see when that begins. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. former prisoner of war john mccain sending a very stern warning to president-elect donald trump saying quote, i don't give a damn, we will not wat waterboard. what does the trump team have to say about that? plus a chorus line wasn't
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can you imagine these people, these animals, over in the middle east, that chop off heads sitting around talking and seeing that we're having a hard problem with waterboarding? we should go for waterboarding and we should go tougher than waterboarding. >> this morning, the first giant crack in the republican coalition swept into power two weeks ago and it comes on that issue, waterboarding. republican senator john mccain promising to fight and win when it comes to waterboarding. waterboarding is the now banned interrogation technique that simulates drowning. it's considered to be torture by many. the president-elect says the united states should be free to use it in the battle against
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terror. senator john mccain, former prisoner of war, says absolutely not. listen. >> i don't give a damn what the president of the united states wants to do or anybody else wants to do. we will not waterboard. we will not torture. my god, what does it say about america if we are going to inflict torture on people? >> well, i have great respect for senator mccain and what i can tell you is that going forward, as he outlined in that famous speech in ohio, that a president donald trump is going to focus on confronting and defeating radical islamic terrorism as a threat to this country and we are going to have a president again who will never say what we will never do. >> all right. with us to discuss this and also the issues of who may be the next secretary of defense, retired army colonel peter mansour and sean brimley.
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colonel, i want to start with the issue of secretary of defense. donald trump has been saying very nice things about retired marine general james mattis who ran central command. trump called him a general's general. he garners wide respect from within the military, in particular marines who i worked with over the years say james mattis is the real deal. your take? >> well, he is the real deal. he's a marine's marine. he's an accomplished combat commander with combat tours as a general officer in both afghanistan and iraq. he has experience at the highest levels of the military, as commander of u.s. central command, but beyond this, all of his practical experience at the highest levels of the military, he's an intellectual. he has a library, personal library of about 10,000 books and has read most of them. i have met him on a number of occasions. i have had him to speak at ohio state. he's truly impressive. this is why i think he's
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garnered a lot of bipartisan support should he be nominated as secretary of defense. >> he will likely get bipartisan support. he will need a waiver to end up as defense secretary because you need to be out of the military for five years to ascend to that position but you would think this congress would give it to him. sean brimley, there is an area again which does indicate where the trump administration is heading. general mattis, a fierce critic of the iran nuclear deal. actually very hawkish toward iran in particular. that would mean the guy leading the pentagon, national security adviser flynn and cia director mike pompeo, these are people all fiercely critical of the iran nuclear deal. you would think that deal's in jeopardy. >> it's possible. although it's going to be very hard to walk back the deal. this deal isn't just a u.s./iran deal. it's an international deal. if we walk away, all the sanctions crumble. iran already has a lot of the money and benefits from the deal. the good news about the deal,
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inspectors are on the ground right now and iran has given up a substantial percentage of fissile material. if the deal crumbles, iran has all the incentives to restart its program and we are back to where we were. two or three years ago, iran was six months away from having a nuclear weapon. now they are much farther away than that. i think you need to answer the question of what comes next. it's easy to talk tough but walking back the deal i think will be equally tough. >> i want to talk about the issue of waterboarding because it's very interesting. senator john mccain, who has been a fierce critic for some time says i'm going to fight on this issue. this is a fight where he's got some sway. he's going to be chairman of armed services, he is chairman of armed services and if he wants to stand up to the administration, he can. >> well, sure. he's a great ally in the fight against the united states never torturing. there's three additional reasons. one, it doesn't work. the house and the senate intelligence oversight committees did a number of reviews on this. there was no evidence that it actually worked.
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number two, it is illegal. it's against the law. so senator mccain said anyone who does this would end up in jail, end up in court in a new york minute, i think he said. number three, inside the bureaucracy itself both on the military side and the intel side, there's no appetite to start this again. i think you have a career of civil servants culture that is very against this policy and would resist it every single step of the way. >> colonel, what about that? what do you think the response within the military would be? let's even say the effort, if the trump administration even tries to reinstitute waterboarding, what would be the response within the military establishment? >> i think you would get a lot of officers resigning out of moral consciousness. you know, i would add a couple other things to what sean said. it's morally reprehensible and it would reduce our international standing in the world. we fought world war ii without torturing prisoners of war, even with our own prisoners tortured by say the japanese when they
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were taken prisoner there. senator mccain was tortured by the north vietnamese. we did not torture prisoners in response. this is hopefully campaign rhetoric that will be quickly jettisonned now. in any case, i don't see it becoming policy of the united states government. there's going to be too much pushback both within the military and in congress. >> it will be interesting to hear what senator mccain has to say going forward. senator mccain did not endorse donald trump at the end of the election so in theory, it was nothing to donald trump. this could be the republican break many people thought might happen at least somewhere during this administration. thank you both so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you. the vice president-elect mike pence went to a play. he said he had a great time. now his friday night is at the center of one of the most bizarre yet perfectly representative battles of 2016. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words.
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and you can save on prescriptions; plan members saved an average of over $4500 last year. medicare open enrollment ends december 7th. if you're done with complicated, so done... call now to enroll in a plan from unitedhealthcare, like aarp medicarecomplete. ♪ new this morning, safe to say broadway has never been this big of a deal during a presidential transition. in case you missed it, the cast of "hamilton" had a message for the vice president-elect over the weekend. >> we, sir, we are the diverse america who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us. our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. we truly hope this show has inspired you to uphold our american values and to work on
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behalf of all of us. all of us. >> all right. the vice president-elect said he was not offended. president-elect trump feels otherwise. this is just the latest tweet from a string of tweets against the broadway show. he said the cast and producers of "hamilton "reque" which i he highly overrated should apologize to mike pence for their behavior. jonathan tsini was a bernie sanders supporter. errol louis is back with us. scottie nell hughes, who supported donald trump, also political editor for right alerts.com. jonathan, before we get to pressing news, i want to ask you about trump tower news today and the word tulsi gabbard, congresswoman from hawaii who was a bernie sanders supporter, is in there meeting with him and could be up for some jobs. what do you make of her being there? >> frankly i just learned about
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this recently so i can't comment or go deeply into it. i will say tulsi gabbard had what i consider to be more conservative, if you want to use the term, positions on things like gun control and on immigration. in my view, just speaking personally. i don't want to necessarily reflect bernie sanders himself in my view wouldn't be seen as a nina turner or someone like that very prossive across the board. >> what would you say to other bernie sanders supporters right now looking at the next four years thinking maybe we should work with donald trump is a good strategy? >> no. i've said this before. actually the other night with you on the other, one evening i guess on "a.c. 360." we shouldn't normalize trump. the man running as a racist, demagog demagogue, attacking muslims, a unfortunately about to take hold of office and we have one goal, make him a one-term president
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and delegitimize him at every turn possible. >> wait to see what comes out of that meeting. errol, after the pressing "hamilton" news, liberal suggests they're scared of donald trump for one reason. donald trump lashes back, then coastal sort of pointing to this how ridiculous trump is and trump wins -- or not. but this is a representative pattern? >> i think so. it's interesting just because of the diversity of the cast and frankly the manners. earnest and passionate and polite way they put forward this values statement enraged certainly people on the other side. i guess donald trump is the leader of those people and was, in fact, enracged by it. curious as a new yorker to see that kind of reaction. mike pence says it's what freedom sounds like. what he told his kids and he wasn't offended. donald trump for some reason wants to pick this fight. a popular theory, credible one
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in my opinion, this is what he's going to do, partly because it's something he likes to do and partly because it distracts us from talking about a lot of the other issues including a lot of these business conflicts of interest. >> people immediately said friday when this all began, distracting from the $25 million settlement made over trump university. i think he likes to use twitter. it's unclear whether he does it to distract or not. just likes it. scottie knell hughes, vice president-elect pence didn't have a problem with it. the cast of "hamilton" this morning said they're not going to apologize. what does donald trump get out of it at this point? >> i think it's interesting to be honest with you, john, since the election, this idea between some members of the arts, entertainment as well as media to basically vote shame those supporters of donald trump. those 61 million people that actually supported mr. trump. i think mr. trump had had enough, after watching two weeks of this happen and then you had this attack on vice president
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pence when out with his family. mr. trump decided once again he would stick up for those bullied and say enough is enough. what he gets out of it, like in the primaries, saw it every time. entertainment, within hollywood attack trump and supporters and are always backlashed. the results are clear. the election in november, democrats so s suffered a horri loss what what? a 94-year record? i don't think this is the course of action exploring going forward. >> i note democrats, at least hillary clinton, is enjoying a lead in the popular voigt getting her not very much, in fact, nothing. jonathan, is this not a case, then, if what scottie is saying is true of, you know, these coastal elites, for lack of a better word, speaking past trump supporters? >> no, i don't think so. lots of people between the two coasts voted for democrats, both in the presidential election, senate races, and as you point out that hillary clinton has a popular vote lead. i want to hammer both points
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that you made, and that errol made very specifically. i think that part of this might be a genius to cover up the settlement with trump university,s 25 $25 million, underscored donald trump is a con man and fraud. sued more than any businessman in history, certainly any political candidate. perhaps did that intentionally. look, it's fine to have is a debate in the country. it's fine for a politician or the president-elect to contest someone, but not to act like a 15-year-old. and an adolescent and someone who's unhinged and deranged. this is not the way to conduct a debate and the fear i have and that american shos hauld have, somebody going into the over's office conducting foreign policy, domestic policy through insults on twitter. that is not the way to run a country. >> i will note, trying to cover up the trump university thing by tweeting, he actually did tweet about the trump university
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settlement. so that sort of, you know, flies in the face of -- >> but by that -- >> -- that theory. >> in terms of continuing to tweet about this, we're focused now on this when we should be talking about, your point about the conflicts of interest facing around the globe and also on the notion of what this settlement did. it underscored we now have somebody going to the oval office who's a fraud and a con man. and that goes to the kind of policies we'll see and the kind of behavior we're seal out of the oval office and that is staggering to me. >> scottie, 20 seconds to respond. >> simple. listen to what jonathan said, the accusations and divisive words he used. the hateful words used to describe mr. trump. he's also describing the 61 million people that supported him. >> not true, scottie. i'm not talking about -- >> not -- >> not talking about the voters. >> listening to this, people have to decide -- >> people have to decide whether to value these is a parties or not. lose dollars and viewership?
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up for others to decide. >> can you get me "hamilton" tickets? >> looking at a boycotter might want to slide some by here. i could use a pair myself. >> completely political. wasn't the to get in to see the show. haven't seen it. thank you all very much. and a police officer shot and killed, the man is armed and dangerous. a manhunt is under way a man believed to have gone into a police station just to target a policeman. stay with us. oh, that's lovely... so graceful. the corkscrew spin, flawless... ...his signature move, the flying dutchman. poetry in motion. and there it is, the "baby bird". breathtaking. a sumo wrestler figure skating? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money heather saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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hello there. welcome to "cnn newsroom." thank you for joining me. mime brianna keilar. we are 60 days out from the swearing in of the 45th president, and still the eyes of the world are on this now familiar gilded bank of elevators in the trump tower

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