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geopolitical side, perhaps an opportunity for china with the election of donald trump. >> matt rivers, thank you for that report from beijing. that's it for me. "newsroom" with pamela brown starts right now. hello, i'm pamela brown in for brooke baldwin on this monday as president-elect trump builds his team while he's showing he's willing to knock down barriers with former foes after meeting with mitt romney, contender for secretary of state, there's now word trump is considering a democrat for another high-level spot. gabbert is in the running for positions at defense or state departments or at the united nations. now, one of a match of meetings trump is holding today as he looks toward his first day in office, now exactly 60 days away. let's get to the ground for the very latest.
cnn's jason carroll is outside trump tower. who have you seen? >> reporter: let's talk about what kellyanne conway talked about the short list of kaep candidates who trump will be seeing. former massachusetts senator scott brown being considered for secretary of veterans affairs. donald trump spoke at length throughout the campaign about the need to improve conditions for veterans, veterans administration, better medical treatment. these are issues very important to brown as well. as he left the meeting, pam remarks he gave some insight as to how that meeting went between the two men. >> we obviously spoke about my passion and his passion, which are veterans' issues. you know, obviously, it's, i think, the toughest job in the cabinet, is to lead the va because it has -- while it has so many angels working there, it has so many great problems as
well. >> reporter: it should be noted brown was one of the first senators to come out and support donald trump. he's been loyal to donald trump, the trump campaign throughout this election process. also should be noted that, you know, brown was asked when some sort of an announcement might be made and everyone has been wondering about this. he's met with so many people either here at trump tower or over the weekend at his property in new jersey. brown says he expects some sort of an announcement to come at least with his position after thanksgiving. pamela? >> so, the suspense continues. jason carroll, thank you so much for that. congresswoman tulsi gabbert is the second highest democrat to meet with trump. if trump were to select a democrat, he'd break a promise he made just last month, saying democrats would not serve in his cabinet. let's talk about this and much
more with cnn political director david chalian, cnn political commentator, jackie kucinich, and cnn's drew griffin with our investigations unit. david, first to you, how serious is trump about these picks, do you think, with gabbert and reeve, especially after what he said last week? is this an about-face? >> this is purely speculation until we see an announcement come out. you have to wonder how serious these democrats may be considering joining -- accepting an invitation if they get one to join a trump administration. right now it serves both sides to be seen parading in and out, shows trump is reaching out and serves these folks to have their names out there as potential picks. so far we can only judge what he has named. that is the concrete stuff. that's what we're waiting to see the next pieces to come from that, pam. >> so far to his cabinet he's named white men, jackie, and
he's been hit over the lack of diversity in some of his cabinet picks. is this an attempt to quell some of that criticism? >> it's hard to know at this point because kellyanne conway made the point this morning, some of these people are job interviews and some who are speaking to donald trump. now, tulsi just recently issued a statement saying she was there to talk about syria and her belief there should not be intervention in syria. and regime overthrow. at this point she didn't indicate there was any sort of job offer or job interview. so, we're just going to have to sort of follow this as he announces it, which is hard because we all love the speculation game. >> we do. and in a sense, david, he may be trying to build suspense here in typical trump fashion. he's been interviewing or talking with mitt romney, one of
his big foes during the campaign, for the job of secretary of state, even some democrats are applauding this, but they're skeptical. democratic congressman adam schiff talked to cnn and he says he thinks this is just for show and a nod to make it look like he's bringing people together. what's your take on that, on that meeting and discussion for mitt romney to be secretary of state? >> adam schiff doesn't have insight into what is in donald trump's thinking, whether it's for show or not. obviously, you saw the meeting take place on saturday. mike pence was out talking about it on sunday, still using words like active consideration. there's been no knockdown from the romney world that the meeting was a disaster and there's no way he would join the administration. we have no tea leaves like that to read. so, clearly there was a meeting. i think this would be a truly stunning development if, indeed, donald trump can get mitt romney to serve as his secretary of
state. if that's what he wants to offer, if mitt romney accepts, to take one of his most strident, ardent critics of the party, the exact wing he ran against to win the nomination and presidency, and put him at center stage in his cabinet would be a really big development for donald trump. >> it would. you look at the rhetoric during the campaign with romney coming out and calling trump a con man and just the exchange of words. also, when you look at the policy differences here, trump and romney could not be more different on foreign policy. trump wants a relationship with putin while romney called russia the most u.s. -- u.s.'s most geopolitical foe. how could the two bridge that gap? >> it's a really good question but it would signal donald trump is willing to entertain other trains of thought on these issues. mostly the people who have been announced at this point, only a few of them, are people who are donald trump loyalists, people with him the entire time.
it should be noted not only did romney speak out against donald trump, he did it early and often and brutally. so, this would also signal he would be willing to put that aside, which would be another step that we haven't seen as much from trump at this point. >> i promise i haven't forgotten about you, i want to bring you in to talk about the settlement donald trump paid out, $25 million in his trump university fraud lawsuit. and it raises the question, where is the promise from republicans of oversight on this, like they had promised for hillary clinton over her e-mail use, the clinton foundation, et cetera? >> well, i think what you're asking is does congress really want to get involved with this either party, pamela. this was a private matter, private business being sued in civil courts, two cases out in california. one by the attorney general in new york. so, i don't see where congress would have any standing in this issue oversight over trump university. this case has been going on for many, many years.
it's why we have civil courts. it's why we have attorneys general. it's why, if there was a federal allegation that a federal law was broken, we would have the department of justice but i don't see where congress would step in and try to effect what was a private business, doing private business in the united states and have nothing to do with any government business. i don't know it's the same kind of apples to apples thing. >> david, what is the political fallout, do you think, of trump's conflict of interest, potential conflicts of interest? >> i think this is going to be a story line with us for the duration of the trump presidency. i think that right now we don't have clear guidelines from trump other than he's going to hand his business over to his children, his adult children. then we saw that ivanka trump was in the meeting with the prime minister of japan, prime minister abe last week, so the lines are not clear.
what does it mean to hold your business over to your adult children, who will advise you? i think this have to be clear guidelines that the trump transition or administration put out to give the american people assurance that nothing in his businesses is going to seep its way into his presidency. >> thank you so much, david, jackie, drushgs appreciate the discussion. up next on this monday, his nickname is mad dog and he's known for his salty language. why democrats and republicans are both praising trump's potential defense secretary. plus, the culture wars. is trump's feud with the "hamilton" cast just a political strategy? we'll discuss it. four officers in three states over 24 hours apparently targeted. now a manhunt under way for the person who gunned down an officer during an ambush. we'll be back. ght i married an my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european.
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takes to make it the enemy longest day and their worst day. >> actually it's quite fair. >> i've always spoken my own mind. in fact, i've done it enough that it's a privilege to be invited here because it's a privilege to be invited in front of polite company after some things i've seen. >> join meg to discuss, former cia director under president clinton, and adviser to donald trump, and peter sewell, retired u.s. army colonel. colonel, first to you, before we get your thoughts, if you would, explain to us this congressional waiver mattis would need and why it would be historic. >> only one other person in the history of the united states has received a waiver to move from the rehe tired ranks of general
officers to become secretary of defense. that was general george c. marshall during the korean war. it's not unprecedented but very, very rare. however, i think it's very, very possible that general mattis, given the quality of this individual and the bipartisan support behind him, could receive such a waiver. but it's meant to keep general officers from -- from just having a revolving door from going out of uniform and then right into commanding as a civilian the same formations they just left. >> as you point out, he does have bipartisan support democrats have come out in favor for him. people like donald trump favor him as well, it seems. we don't know exactly if he'll get a position in the cabinet, but, james, what can you tell us about him in terms of his leadership and appetite for war, would he want to send in more troops? what can we learn from him?
>> first of all, i think he has an extraordinary reputation among military people as well as civilians who have worked with him or know him for ability and wry sense of humor and extraordinary record as a soldier, marine. i know him mainly through e-mails. we share an interest through energy's impact on national security. and he's a great e-mail partner. he's smart. he's -- like i say, he's humorous. he asks really good questions. he comes up with fascinating answers. and i think this is an exception. we shouldn't give a lot of these waivers but we have an odd situation here for american politics given the history of the election and where the political parties stand now and so on. and i think it would be good for us all to pull together for
defense secretary behind someone with jim mattis ability and reputation. >> i want to switch gears and talk torture. john mccain, he himself a victim of torture, with a very different take than the soon-to-be vice president of the country, mike pence. >> i don't can care what the president of the united states wants to do. we will not waterboard. we will not torture. my god, what does it say about america if we're going to inflict torture on people? >> well, i have great respect for senator mccain and what i can tell you is going forward, as he outlined in that famous speech in ohio, that a president donald trump is going to focus on confronting and defeating radical islamic terrorists as a threat to this country. we'll have a president again who will never say what we'll never do. >> so it's against the law,
proven not to be effective. why is the james leadership still harping on this? >> well, i think there's two things going on here. one, i completely agree with vice president-elect pence that we shouldn't be telling everybody what we're doing but john mccain is a real expert on torture. he was tortured for many months. and he knows what it takes to withstand it and stand up to it. and i think that he's somebody we should listen to on this issue. my own preference would be that we not use waterboarding except in the most extreme case. let's say there's a nuclear weapon in downtown new york and one prisoner we have, a guerrilla who knows where it is and we think he might talk through waterboarding. circumstances like that it's awfully hard to say that under
no circumstances would we waterboard. waterboarding is odd as what's called a torture device because on you special force, navy s.e.a.l.s and so forth, are waterboarded as part of their training. and journalists were being waterbrded not long ago so they could write about it. and we don't pull out the fingernails of navy s.e.a.l.s as part of training. there could be a case made that we would waterboard only in the most exceptional circumstances and withhold public commentary on it otherwise. but it's a tough problem. and i think it's one in which we should listen to john mccain, as well as others. >> colonel, what's your take, because as we heard from james, he believes you should use waterboarding in very rare cases and then you have examples where khalid shaikh mohammed was kor toured and then he told lies
during that and recanted those lies later on. so how effective is that? what's your response to that? >> with all due respect i think waterboarding is torture and we should not torture under any circumstances, even a ticking time bomb scenario as laid out. the fact is, torture is morally reprehensible, reduces our international standing, degrades the torture as well as the tortured and simply doesn't work. so, there's no reason we need to go back to it nor should we. >> colonel, differing opinions. appreciate you both coming on. thank you. up next on this monday right here on "newsroom," four police officers have been shot in four cities over 24 hours. one victim was sitting in his police car outside police headquarters when he was killed. now a manhunt is under way.
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welcome back. police in san antonio are on the hunt for a cop killer. they say the suspect walked into police headquarters, asked the desk clerk a question and then left. just hours later gunned down a 20-year veteran officer, 50-year-old detective benjamin marconi lost his life. he's the 58th officer killed in the line of duty this year. marconi was one of four officers shot in separate incidents in four cities over a 24-hour period. the others were wounded in what appear to be targeted attacks in st. louis, missouri, gladstone. cnn correspondent is in sanibel.
what is the police chief saying there? >> reporter: most importantly, he's saying none of these incidents have links, none have ties to what happened in downtown san antonio. they have what they believe is their suspect on camera. in a bizarre development, investigators believe the man who shot and killed their detective, we want into police headquarters the morning of the shooting. again, the question here is why. several reporters asking that to san antonio's top cop. >> absolutely feel we were targeted. i feel we were targeted. i know the uniform was the target and anyone -- first person who happened along was the person that he targeted. we have pulled out all the stops. we have engaged our federal partners, our state partners and our local partners in the search for this individual.
the search has gone on since we started yesterday afternoon and has not stopped all night. to this point. and it will not stop until this person is in custody. >> reporter: san antonio's police chief addressing what they believe is the motive and what is this massive manhunt taking place in south texas. what i mentioned a little while ago is this bizarre twist, boldin and brazen move on this suspect to walk inside police headquarters, speak to the clerk for about 20 seconds or so, and then turn around and then walk out of the department. the police chief saying they may think they know what was being discussed there, but they don't want to release that as to not jeopardize the investigation. it's puzzling when you look at this. you have this individual who is suspected of gunning down a police officer in broad daylight but hours before walking into the department to be able to have a brief exchange with a clerk here. very fluid situation.
what i can tell you, this hits home for so many people. we have had members of law enforcement, members of the community stopping by. we have seen these quite a bit, make-shift memorials that start as a couple flowers and quickly grow outside the police department. this has shaken the community here. >> understandably. harry o that note, what do you make of the fact that the suspect walked into the police station and exchanged some words and then hours later killed an officer? just bizarre behavior. you can't always apply logic to the illogical, but what do you make of it? >> it's definitely bizarre behavior. when you see something like this happen, was he looking for a target at that time first? did he go into that station house looking to see maybe it wasn't safe enough for him to shoot anybody. maybe he didn't see a target and decide this wasn't a good time to do it and then left. clearly, and i agree with the chief that the police officer, the uniform itself was definitely a target here.
we have a really good video of this guy. hopefully they got a plate number of the vehicle that he got away in and police are actively -- actually, might even have a name or somebody connected to that shooting already and they're just trying to hunt him down. >> you have this shooting in san antonio and three other shootings against police officers across the country. there's no evidence to suggest these shootings are connected. how will investigators coordinate their efforts in trying to figure out what happened yesterday? >> that's the $65 million dollar question. why are police ambushes up like they are? i know "usa today" did a study and ambushes are up 167%. these are ambushes. these aren't things that occur with a police officer during the normal course of his duty. like the police officer in san antonio, he was sitting in his car writing a summons and someone came behind and put a bullet in him, as well as other officers. this is what police officers
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the president-elect is demanding the cast of the broadway musical "hamilton" apologize to mike pence. he was booed during a weekend performance and during a curtain call an actor confronted pence from the stage. >> vice president-elect pence we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at "hamilt "hamilton." we are the diverse america who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us. our family, ourchildren, our parents defend us and uphold our rights but we truly hope this show inspired you to uphold our american values and work on
behalf of all of us, all of us. >> so that right there prompted this fiery tweet from trump over the weekend. the cast and producers of "hamilton" which i hear is highly overrated should immediately apologize to mike pence for their terrible behavior. pence said he wasn't offended. the cast says there's nothing to apologize for. >> the conversation is not harassment. i was really appreciative that vice president-elect pence stood there and listened to what we had to say. and i know some people have said, you know, a one-sided conversation or lecture is not conversation, but it was the beginnings of a conversation, i hope, that we can continue to have. >> so with with me now to discuss barry bennett and trump supporter, he was the campaign manager for dr. ben carson, also rich benjamin, searching of "searching for wytopia." rich, was the cast out of line for doing this?
>> pardon me? say that again. >> was the cast out of line for doing this? >> absolutely not. the theater is a place where people get challenged. they had something to say in addition to the artistic expression and they're concerned. they didn't want to be bullied. they gave this viewpoint. by the way, it wasn't just the cast who had something to say, it was the audience members who booed mike pence also. >> barry, react to this because as we saw from that tweet, donald trump wasn't happy about it. >> i think it was entirely inappropriate and rude, frankly. if only people of like political philosophies are allowed to your show, put this on the marquee and everyone will know. someone comes in and pays good money for a ticket to your art, you should show them your art. if you're not comfortable, again, put that on the marquee. if they're there as a patron of the arts, give them the show and hold your political jargon till later. >> rich n a sense -- go ahead, rich. >> no, they did not unwelcome
him to the show. in fact, they -- >> they booed him. they booed him. >> that's the audience. that's the audience. the cast member who had a comment for him welcomed him to the show and then made some extra comments. there's no reason a kntheater should put that on the marquee. >> they should. >> the argument could be made the cast was in a sense playing into trump's hands here, sort of firing up his base. what do you think about that argument? can you hear me, rich? i think you're having some problems with the ear piece. >> we're having an audio problem. >> can you hear me now? if not i'll go ahead to get barry's thoughts on this argument as you work out the audio. this argument that in a sense, this is sort of the culture wars playing out and the cast was sort of playing into trump's hands and firing up the base. >> i think america saw this as a rude gesture, an opportunistic
gesture. it's not a conversation, as the actor described it, when you have a microphone and you're the only one with a microphone. it was inappropriate. it's fine for them to hold signs out on the streets. it's fun for them to refuse to perform for him, that's their right, but invite someone to their theater and then do that, it's inappropriate and rude. >> i think we have the audio issue figured out with rich. what's your take and your response? >> thank you. we had a bit of audio. we have it fixed. i think the bottom line is we have a relevant show that's about where we are as a country, about where weave been as a country. we have a thoughtful cast member who delivered a message to a public servant and he got booed by the audience themselves. by the way, he's not only been booed in new york, he's been booed in indiana as well. and so for the president-elect to respond in the way he did, that was the inappropriate part. we have a president where president-elect said he would
defund the arts he he disagreed with. he said that in 1999. for him to step in and to weigh in on this and to make this quasi-attempt to intimidate the cast, that's what's inappropriate. a lot of people are applauding the cast of "hamilton," fans of the show, nonfans of the show, for taking this brave stance at this time. >> barry, i do have to ask you about the reaction of this, just taking a step back looking big picture, is this a glimpse into how president trump will handle things? >> well, i think it's more of a glimpse of the way culture is reacting. we've seen the ceo of grubhub and the ceo of another company, netflix, come out and say some pretty partisan things and that people that have different views weren't welcome to their product or be their employees. that's really unusual. and i think that's a further indication of a division america has along the political lines, which is pointless. if you're "hamilton" and you have this amazing show, it's doing so well, up, why would you
cash in any of that goodwill for, you know, a biased attack on a vice president-elect, not a public servant yet, or, you know, say you're going to fire employees who might have voted for trump. i mean, this is crazy. we've got to get back to working together. and i mean, unfortunately, the "hamilton" episode threw us back into the campaign again. >> gentlemen, hold on for one second because i want to get to some sound that's just in from kellyanne conway. let's listen. >> a lot of common ground. i think they both -- hi, phil. they both understood the country very well. tulsi gabbard went against her party quite boldly early on. and i think that you're hearing people like representative tim ryan of ohio also raising concerns, bernie sanders today was quoted as saying that he thinks they should stop with identity politics. he can call, we'll tell him how to do that and win. i think there's a recognition there's a big country out there with lots of voters that feel
diseffected from their party, the democrats. >> barry, i have to ask you what your reaction is to the fact that donald trump has been meeting with democrats like tulsi gabbard, who was a bernie sanders supporter during the campaign as well as michele. >> i think it's great. the fact he met with mitt romney, who was probably his biggest critic on either side of the aisle, and the congresswoman, that's great. you should be looking to as many voices as you can, and that's what he's doing. again, those are conversation, those are private one-on-one conversations. not standing on the stage with a microphone and forcing everyone to endure it. >> rich, your take? >> we'll see about his appointments. i'm not a fan of mr. romney, of course, but i think it would be better than having an avowed white nationalist such as steve bannon -- >> please, take that back.
please, take that back. >> now, will not. >> he's not aavowed -- >> he's an economic nationalist. go ahead, rich. >> those appointments are, perhaps, a step in a better direction, but i'm not sure what they have to do with the controversy over hamilton. >> barry, respond? >> unfortunately, this is where we are -- >> kellyanne conway, i think that's a nice pivot and distraction saying somehow because bernie sanders supporters might be sort of wooed into falsely believing they'll be incorporated into trump's cabinet when trump is specifically shown and specifically indicated that because his supporters are who they are, he's going to veer to the right. not plausible. >> i want to get your response, barry, before we wrap up. go ahead, barry. >> it is beyond irresponsible to call someone a white nationalist. that is -- i'm not even going to respond to it. it's sickening. >> okay. we'll leave it there. barry, rich, thank you very
much. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> have a good rest of your monday. election night view high above the city of new york. we'll talk to the photographer who captured these breathtaking photos for cnn right after the break. plus, live at trump tower where are president-elect trump is building his team. we'll have who he's been meeting with today after this wraek. your insurance company won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
the word unprecedented seems to get thrown around a lot this election cycle. sometimes it's warranted. other times not so much. in this case it truly fits the bill. the place cnn republican presidential place in las vegas, remember this, pulitzer prize winning photographer captured these images. it's one key moment taken from seven angles, spending four days setting up still cameras on ceilings and balconies around the hotel and casino. this is a moment in time only he could capture exclusively for cnn. vincent laforet joins us now from los angeles. thank you for coming on.
first, give us the scoop. what are some of the behind-the-scenes moments you caught? >> thanks, pamela. it's been a surreal year, to say the least. actually, a little anecdote, i flew with donald trump ten years ago in his private helicopter when he was opening up the golf course where he's been holding all these meetings. never would i have imagined ten years later, here we are with president-elect trump. >> absolutely. so, sort of take us behind the scenes, what this was like and what some of the cool experiences you had over the lasts year. >> i think, obviously, the first debate was incredibly beautiful, really well lit and incredible stage for this event. it was our first glimpse of trump literally in the center of the pack, acting presidential, if you will, kind of leading the entire event.
there's always a lot of technical stuff behind the sceneses, stress and pressure but you realize you're documenting history. i think the aerial stuff to me was what was very special about this. >> let's talk about because that's your specialty, capturing aerials of cities around the world at night. election night you boarded a cnn helicopter which, by the way, was the only aircraft to prove to fly in restricted nyc air space that night. what did you want to capture over nyc as both candidates waited below for election results? >> we had a pretty specific mandate to capture the south side of the empire state building where they were projecting the results, which is a pretty incredible event in and of itself. we saw the results coming in live. the interesting thing is we were told bit secret service we had to fly at a minimum of 70 knots. that's almost 100 miles an hour at all times. we couldn't cover. while you were seeing nice and steady images on the screen, inside it felt like a rodeo, because we were rotating at 45
degrees, forward, backwards, left and right to try to get in line for the live shot at all times for 7.1 hours. >> my gosh. that would make me sick the way you just described that. but at the same time, while all this is going on, you're capturing a moment in history. what was that like? what did that feel like? >> probably one of the most special things i've done in my career. i've done some pretty cool stuff. i got to go on the needle at the empire state building when i was a staff photographer at "new york times." you felt like you were a unique seat of anyone else in the world to be the only helicopter flying over the city and witnessing this. we saw the results come in like everybody but we were so busy with the technical aspects of flying and capturing the video for cnn that it slowly dawned upon us that this was happening. 7.1 hours flew by. it was exhausting, physically. but when we landed it was very
surreal. i actually expected trump to win. i do a lot of traveling and i saw a lot of the signs on people's front yards outside of the big cities, so i wasn't shocked. yet it was still pretty surreal when you got back on the ground. >> absolutely. i can only imagine what that was like. vincent laforet, thank you for coming on, sharing your perspective and beautiful photos as well. we appreciate it. check out cnn's book "unprecedented" on sale december 6th. you can preorder your copy today at cnn.com/book. up next, residents of aleppo are calling it a holocaust. how continued bombing of the syrian city is worse than ever. up next, we'll hear from people living through the destruction and devastation. plus, we're live at trump tower where potential members of donald trump's team are gathering today. we are monitoring for any announcements. of course, we'll bring that to you live when if happens. you're watching cnn . the vault to man's greatest wonders... selfies, cat videos and winking emojis. speaking of tech wonders, with the geico app you can get roadside assistance,
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a holocaust in syria, that's how one resident of aleppo describes bombings over the past week that have killed more than 300 people including 27 just today. rescuers call it the heaviest bombardment on the city since the war began five years ago. graphic video some viewers may find disturbing shows white helmet rescuers pulling the man from the rubble. cnn cannot independently confirm these images but one east aleppo man spoke to our reporter, will ripley, as he took shelter from bombs. watch. >> reporter: the explosions are like clock work in rebel-held east aleppo. all day, every day. >> actually, they don't know how to wake up normally without sond of bombing, without anything. >> reporter: ismail takes cover in his basement. during our 14-minute conversation, i count at least 17 blasts.
and there's another one. each getting louder, closer. i'm listening to these explosions here and it seems like it doesn't even phase you. you're so used to it. >> it's normal for us. we're not human beings any more because of this. >> reporter: this is a normal day in east aleppo. first responders racing from one site to the next. this is our country, this is our country, says this man, refusing to let even destruction like this force him from his home. why do you stay? >> we stay because it's our city. they stay because they have no place to go. >> reporter: he says more than a quarter million people who remain in east aleppo don't
trust the so-called humanitarian corridors. he says snipers on both sides shoot and kill people who try to leave. >> we're not going to leave. he we are going to die. >> reporter: he lost three friends in three days. he says many feel hopeless, abandoned by the world. >> yeah, i -- >> reporter: that was close. that one was close. >> i'm going to go. >> reporter: be safe. >> reporter: despite nearly five years of pleading for help, the relentless bombing of east aleppo continues. wow. will ripley, cnn, istanbul. >> just makes you feel helpless watching that. hello, i'm pamela brown in for brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. we're watching all the developments from trump tower. as we speak president-elect
trump has a flurry of meetings for his white house and cabinet. as he he builds his team, trump is showing he's willing to knock down barriers. after meeting with arch critic mitt romney as contender for secretary of state, now word trump is considering a democrat for another high-level spot, hawaii congresswoman, tulsi gabbard. moments ago gabbard revealed some details about her meeting with the future president. i'm going to turn to cnn's jessica schneider outside of trump tower. what did the two talk about? what details have you learned? >> reporter: it was back in october when donald trump said he would not consider putting a democrat into his cabinet. could he be changing his tune? there's some talk that hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard could be under consideration for several position, secretary of defense, secretary of state. gabbard was a member of the hawaii national guard. she served two tours of duty in the middle east.