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on xfinity x1. the man who might out trump trump, this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. a billionaire real estate mogul, a huge success in television, tough talking political outsider promising to take down the system and make us rich, multiple wives, multiple scandals. no, sir donald trump. it is italy. from broadway to "snl," celebrities bashing donald trump, but are they adding fuel to the fire for his supporters? let's discuss now with cnn senior white house correspondent mr. jim acosta and cnn senior correspondent brian stelter. how does it feel to be inside? >> it feels great.
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i'm always with a bus behind me when the life shot comes up. anyway, i digress. >> good to see you inside. then, wait, did the election happen? >> think we pushed it back to cember. >> it is still happening. i want to talk about the meeting today with donald trump. he backed away from promises to prosecute hillary clinton. he denounced the neo-nazi movement hailing his victory, and he even indicated that he has an open mind when it comes to climate change. are we seeing -- who is this donald trump? >> you know, this has been the story of this transition. he turns up the temperature, it turns down the temperature. i think that -- i sort of feel like the "new york times" got the press conference we were supposed to get today before donald trump went on vacation. but i thought it was very revealing, and it shows this sort of push and pull inside the transition team. perhaps the push and pull inside donald trump's mind as to what kind of president he's going to be. is he going to be this president that we saw on the campaign trail who was sort of a fire-breathing, scorched-earth
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guy, or is the presidency, the weight of the presidency starting to pod rate his views? he was starting to indicate in the "60 minutes" interview he was not going to go after hillary clinton and it was campaign rhetoric, and i think today was sort of the final nail in that. we are not going to see hillary clinton indicted or prosecuted under a trump presidency. >> and we'll see how his supporters feel about it. brightbart, the headline was, broken promise. >> yeah, not only about that but about a number of things so far. so his second meeting in two days, in as many days with major -- a major news organization, with the anchors yesterday and the head of television from different outlets, and then the "new york times." what is he trying to accomplish with this? >> clearly he recognizes the importance of the media even though he bashes journalists every chance he gets. he can complain on twitter about the crooked media but he recognizes the importance of the fourth estate. i was at the committee to protect journalists dinner to night. normally it is about journalists in trouble in other countries. tonight it was much more about the united states, about the
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trouble here, about the creeping threat to press freedoms posed by donald trump. our boss, jeff zucker, talked about holding the administration's feet to the fire, so did david remic of the new yorker. it was our own christiane amanpour who impressed the room talking about journalists exist ensha shal crisis. he says so many things, sometime contradictory in nature and criticizes journalists all the while. we are up for it but it is a unique challenge. >> we can't back off because trump supporters will say we're lying, we're fake news, it is not our jobs to have -- to approach any candidate or any president with a critical eye. >> right. >> that's what the media does. without that, i don't think they would want a country without that. >> yeah, that's right. >> do you minute if i share a conversation we had privately? >> of course. >> i think you will be fine with it. we were talking about whether in
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this environment if reporters were afraid of donald trump or members of the media in some way, and you said that you believe some people are. >> i think many journalists have been fearful of donald trump because of his criticism of the press, because of his talk about loosening up the libel laws, because of the way he would encourage crowds at rallies to protest the media. you said in the makeup ro, no you're not afraid of him. >> no, i think it energizes us. that kbold ens us, especially when someone is trying to intimidate you. it is almost like a bully. then what you do is you tell that bully, no, you're not going to do it, right? what happens? how do they teach you to deal with a bully? when someone bullies you, punch them in the nose and they back down. >> the way i look at it is donald trump did not defeat us, he defeated hillary clinton. >> right. >> we're here to do our job. journalists have been threatened and pressured by administrations going back decade. as long as we do our job, do the news we will be fine. >> i think he deserves credit
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going to the "new york times" headquarters today. i was talking to carolyn and she said it was a good sign he was willing to meet, he took questions for an hour plus. he should have a press conference though. normally president-elects do it by now, it's been two weeks. >> the meeting yesterday, i thought it was good he met with the media yesterday. i thought the mistake was it was off the record because then the people who are in the meeting were ham strung. they couldn't give their story. as a reporter, as a journalist, if someone says off the record, to me it is off the record. i don't call brian stelter and say, here is what happened in the meeting because the meeting is off the record. so jurntss had no recourse. the message came from donald trump's camp. so that's the reason -- >> saying he was aggressive. >> and how do you fight back because you break the rules and you're not being a good journalists. i think what the "new york times" did today was here owic in standing up and saying, no, you can meet with the boss off the record but when you meet with journalists it is on the
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record and we get to report it. >> trump's desire for off the record chat as leverage to say, we will talk with you, we will have a private talk if you talk to us privately. >> it is donald trump. what do you have to be afraid of? >> it worked for him so well in the primaries. >> so anyway, let's move on because we're doing news room in a bit. what are you hearing by mitt romney, is he seriously considering it? >> i talked to a sore that says he is seriously considering being donald trump's secretary of state. i was talking to a republican source earlier this evening and asking, you know, in what world does any of this make sense. the bottom line is insane is the new black. we are living in crazy times. this is something to expect the unexpected. if donald trump being president doesn't make sense to you, then mitt romney being secretary of state doesn't make much sense either, but in some ways it makes sense to both of these men. donald trump needs a moderating influence on the world stage, mitt romney would provide that.
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at the same time, mitt romney i think would like to get back in the game and this is his way to do it. >> any other announcements coming? >> one thing we should point out, we think tomorrow there will be more announcements, nothing as important as secretary of state or as high priority as secretary of state. but we understand some cabinet picks may be coming down tomorrow. it is interesting, this back and forth over secretary of state, get this, newt gingrich earlier tonight campaigning against mitt romney. >> right. >> this was earlier tonight. take a listen. well, i think trump would have to really think through. romney wanted to be in president-elect trump's job, you know. >> yeah. >> and to what degree would romney once he became secretary of state represent himself going around the world? i mean being sort of in the john kerry tradition. >> right. >> let's go from five star hotel to five star hotel, having nice gourmet dinners with foreign ministers, and to what extent would he represent the kind of
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tough-minded america first policies that trump has campaign on? trump has to have somebody at state who is very tough and very willing to take on foreign leaders and say, wait a second, i'm here to represent the united states. >> that was shady. >> yeah. newt gingrich campaigning in favor of rudy giuliani, by the way, for secretary of state. >> hasn't he heard of secretary of state hillary clinton? >> team of rivals, exactly. but, remember, mitt romney defeated new gingrich for the 2012 republican nomination. might be some residual hard feelings there. >> i got it. >> at the same time, but there is this crystallizes the debate going on inside trump world, which is do we let somebody like a mitt romney who called donald trump a phoney and a fraud into the tent. >> yeah. >> into the inner sanctum. it is a debate donald trump is going to have to sort out. >> fascinating conversation. >> what would brightbart say? we saw today them calling out trump on this broken promise about clinton. i wonder how much pressure he
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will face from people far to the right. >> for obamacare, for the wall, for a number of things. >> but a all right of supporters, and they told us that on the campaign trail. >> they thought it was bluster? >> they thought it was bluster. it is not so much i believe what donald trump had to say, i like the way he said it. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. happy thanksgiving, by the way. so how does the rest of the world see the rise of donald trump? here to discuss it, at american university of rome. also the rome bureau kmeef for "the daily beast" good to have you both on. barbara, you first. how is donald trump transition playing in the european press? >> well, i mean i think people are watching very curiously across europe, but especially here in italy. you know, we walked down this road before. a lot of italians are saying, you made fun of us, now it is time for us to make fun of you a little bit. it is people watching and very curious. i think most people in europe
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assume europe will be left out of any sort of trump policy. so it is going to be up to europe to go through some of the major transitions they're seeing in the next couple of months with brexit and the like. people are watching, very curious, to be sure. >> to you now, bashy mentioned burlesconi, and you and others compared donald trump to the former italian prime minister. why is that? >> they're similar. both businessmen who consider themselves also outsiders, who appeal to the basic common denominator, who will basically campaigned against immigrants, campaigned as outsiders, called their opponents corrupt, inept, even traitors, who attacked the media on and off. burlesconi actually fired and sued many of my friend who worked in italian television, even comediennes. trump sued bill marr.
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he called the judiciary of the worst cancer of our democracy. i think people under estimated burlesconi and he went on winning. i wrote a year ago in "the washington post" not to underestimate trump because he might win. he is appealing to all kind of people and the base is resentful of grid lock in washington d.c. and the economic difficult oohs. basically, he is sanctioning prejudice as well. i thought he will win, and he did and we underestimated him, mocked him and laughed about him and this is what we got. >> bar by, what were the keys to burlesconi winning over the italian people? >> just as trump, he spoke to the common person. here he was in chauffeur driven cars, in armani suits and nothing like the people who voted for him, but he represented a droem. he was a self-man man,
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successful, or so he presented himself on the work of his own back. and he did it kind of with a wink and a nudge, and he was very sexist, that played well here in italy i'm sorry to say. he was extremely racist, that played well to a certain number of voters. a lot of people thought they found common ground, and that's why they voted him in. they were sick of the old establishment. burlesconi in italy represented something new and different and they voted him in three times. >> let's remember he dominated the media. he owned half of the media, he controlled the other half. he was a master manipulator, exactly like trump. people in the beginning used him for ratings exactly like cbs chief who said, well, trump is bad for the country but it is good for cbs, bring it on, donald. we underestimated him and tho thought he will not win. burlesconi went on winning and most people when he left were
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worse off than when he entered office. 80 perts 80% of young people don't believe in the democratic institution anymore. he waged war on judiciary, on journalists, he waged a war between people themselves also. the system is discredited since that moment. italy had to be bailed out by europe in 2014, and forced him to resign. otherwise it would have become like greece or any other country. the risk with trump, because he is a businessman and transactional exactly like burlesconi, his policy will be about what can i get out of this deal, and we're seeing the conflict of interest already arising. we saw it with burlesconi in italy. his lawyers were sitting in parliament writing reforms for him and defending him in court. i met him twice. i interviewed him twice, and i met him when he said that islam is an inferior civilization, which was appealing to many europeans here after 9/11.
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privately he told me that he never meant that, so he would say something in the morning, deny it in the evening, exactly like trump. he would lie on and off and blatantly. and he told me he never said that because -- and the proof of it, that he dated an arab woman, he had a relationship with an arab woman. we later discovered she was an underage prostitute of name ruby. so he played the media. he played everybody in italy, and he really almost wrecked the country. >> yeah. >> and the issue with trump, we're seeing now with his private meetings, look at what happened. he's deflecting exactly like burlesconi. so trump is now mocking and insulting the people on broadway, especially at "hamilton," to cover the real issue. the real issue is his meeting with -- his meeting with japanese leaders and his indian partners, and especially what happened with the phone call with argentina.
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the president called him, and what happened immediately the day after, all of his enterprise have open access and his business deals are approved immediately. this smells of corruption and this is what we need to hold him on. >> okay. stand by. when we come back, why berlusconi's story may be a warning sign for donald trump.
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donald trump takes the oath of office in 59 days, winning the election as a businessman who is a washington outsider. his rise to power strikingly similar to that of a former italian prime minister, sylvia berlusconi. back with us. barbie, you first. they also compared berlusconi to trump. and he said mr. berlusconi was able to govern italy as long as he did mostly thanks to the incompetence of his opposition. it was so rapidly obsessed with his personality, any substantive political debate disappeared. so can that also be said about trump's opposition? >> well, i think that's what we're seeing. i mean it is very obvious. if you focus on something like a personality of donald trump, like the italians, the personality of silvio berlusconi, you miss the issues and give those people a pass because you're not calling them
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to talk about the issues. we saw it with berlusconi. he only had to defend his behavior, he didn't have to defend so often his policy. in the meantime, the country just spiralled out of control. you know, berlusconi was, after he left office, was convicted of tax evasion. he was convicted of abetting underage prostitution. all of these things went on while he was in the office. what people didn't realize was the country was going into debt. we are still just coming out of a recession, teetering back and forth? all of these things were the effect of bad government, and the fact that there was no opposition that was strong enough, smart enough or effective enough to get him out of the way. >> rula, how did it help donald trump that his opponents and many in the mainstream press didn't take his campaign seriously at first? i wonder if it was the same. >> look, trump is berlusconi on steroid.
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he's a master manipulator and he's very effective at it. you know, he's very -- he is an expert in the media. remember when the first presidential -- i think it s during the primaries with megyn kelly asked him about his misogynistic attitudes towards women. what did he do? his deflection was very clear. he attacked her, attacked her, attacked her. we started talking about him attacking megyn killy and not his track record in treating women. he has been doing this over and again. immediately after he settled his lawsuit, the fraud lawsuit for trump fraud university, $25 million, he immediately moved to the next deflection moment, which is "hamilton." it was -- you know, we need the talk about "hamilton," two minutes, five, six, but then back to the real issues. this is the advice from our experience here in italy, focus on the real issues. the real issues will be there,
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all of them. the writings are on the wall. the misogyny, the sexist, corruption, conflict of interest, xenophobia, we see people already in washington d.c. celebrating, and he's basically deflecting and talking a little bit about them but above all he is waging a war against the media and "hamilton." so we're talking more about those issues than the real issues. the last thing, the opposition will have to rise and will have to invent somebody. the only man that beat berlusconi twice, not once, was the opposite of berlusconi, was mr. prada, who was an outsider like berlusconi, but he was a priest, a principled guy. he gave actually recipes. listen to voters -- he didn't listen to berlusconi, he listened to voters and gave them some hope an made them understand, yes, we struggle, but we struggle together and we rise together. he was an honorable man full of convictions, not transactions
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like berlusconi. this is what the option needs to do in america, and journalists, all of us, we need to challenge him even if he sues us, bullies us, and especially if he intimidates us. >> i think the american press is up the that challenge. barbie, berlusconi famously insulted angela merkel's looks, boasted about his sexual conquests and treated women as sex ontos, and there was a backlash in italy, a resurgence of feminism. might american women have a similar response to donald trump? >> well, i think, you know, berlusconi really underscored the phenomenon, like trump is doing in the united states, really underscored how far we have to go as women. i think in italy people thought, is it really this bad we can allow ourselves to be exploited, we can take pay cuts and not get jobs because we might have a baby that we have to put a picture on our resume because they want to see what we look like, all of those things that happened here in italy are
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slowly being chipped away. you know, there's still a long way to go here, and that is because people galvanized, women galvanized and men in support of women's rights galvanized in italy because of berlusconi. i think they didn't realize how bad it was until it was blatantly in front of them. i think we see it in the states to certain extent, that a man could be elected president of the united states that says things that are so demeaning to women and yet still win means we have a long way to go in the united states as well as women in italy did. >> but yet, barbie, a all right of women -- >> the only way is up. >> a lot of women, especially white women in the united states voted for him. yeah, go on. >> because it was about voting against what you hate and what not -- not what you -- inspire you. it was about identity politics more than anything else. don, you and i are, you know, journalists but we are black and we understand what this election has been about all along. it is also about racism, xenophobia and other things.
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berlusconi treated women in a horrible and disgusting way, but he felt he was above the law, that he could do it and get away with it, exactly like trump who many women accused of -- accused him of sexually assaulting them. what did he do after? he started threatening and bullying them. even the media when they interviewed them and gave them space, and i remember i interviewed one of the women who actually was bullied by berlusconi and she was a prostitute. we interviewed her for our network. he almost sued us. he made a couple of my friends resign. he went after us big time. but we resisted. >> yeah. >> and, luckily, people that were sued won the cases. so it can be done. when it came to women, he was so outrageous, berlusconi, that one of his lovers, who was a model, a top model, she was appointed as a minister of equal opportunities. this is how bad it got, this
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office of the prime minister became an orgy house, excuse my language. this is what he has done. my fear with trump and the normalization of xenophobia and sexism and racism, that if we don't push back this will become -- because this is what he wants. when he said -- i think yesterday he said conflict of interest? people knew of it. this is okay. this is normal. >> yeah. >> it is not okay, it is not normal, and we need to call it for what it is. >> thank you, rula. thank you, barbie. i realize it is very late or very early there and i appreciate you guys staying up or getting up early. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you, don. >> straight ahead, donald trump does not think "saturday night live" is funny, at least not when it pokes fun at him. does he need to lighten up? comedienne colin quinn weighs in next. ufrom 5-hour energy. protein shots from 5-hour energy are smooth and tasty, and still deliver 21 grams of protein with 100 calories.
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. comedians have a long, long history of poking fun at presidents. in 59 days donald trump becomes the newest occupant of the white house. imagine what will happen then. this is just the beginning. let's discuss with comedian colin quinn whose new show is called "colin quinn, the
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new york story." it is on netflix. is it out? >> it is. >> do you make fun of presidents? >> no, i make fun of every ethnicity in new york and had you they helped form new york. >> i love that. >> you'll like it. >> donald trump is now president-elect, what do you think? >> look, they said when i was a kid what makes america great is anybody could grow up to become president of the united states. they weren't lying. >> anybody. >> they said anybody. >> i saw that one coming a mile away. >> i know you did. what did you mean like that. >> i tried to sneak it in quick. i mean i was just, you know, surprised as anybody. i thought it was going to be gary johnson. yeah, i mean it's -- >> so you said you make fun of every ethnicity. >> sure. >> that's what makes new york new york and makes it run. >> right. >> do you think this election was a reaction to, you know, being overly politically correct? >> yeah, i mean i do. for a lot of people i think it was. you know, i'm not saying that -- i would just say that, like, you know, the sheet metal worker in
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wisconsin doesn't like being scolded by people on the red carpet. you know what i mean? like you can't be up there in versacce gowns and telling people, giving civic lessons to topeka electricians. a lot of it was that i think. >> so what do you do then? >> what do you mean? >> what do you do, you don't give those speeches on the red carpet? >> no, i imagine people got too full of themselves scolding. you can't scold a vietnam vet and his retired nurse wife in the midwest and expect them to go, you know what, you're right about me, i'm going to vote. you know what i mean? this country is going to have -- this country is going to break up. this country is headed for a divorce or civil war. >> i've heard lots of people say that. do you really believe that? >> yeah. >> so speaking of, you know, show business, donald trump tweeted about the broadway show "hamilton" and what happened -- and "snl." what do you think? >> i mean of course he got
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booed, you know, pence got booed at the "hamilton" show. but it is like you can't say guy people need to be reprogrammed and then go to a broadway show and not expect to get booed. >> especially not that show. >> any broadway show. >> right. >> it could have been worse if he went to katey booth or, i don't know, wicked. >> yeah, i honestly i know you're joking around, but i mean what do you think would happen if you just sort of do your homework on "hamilton" and on broadway? i mean there's a lot of guys, a lot gay people. >> yeah, i mean it is like we said before, it is like going to an irish bar and going, let's quick drinking now. it is like you can't -- you know, you have to have -- >> you're irish, right? >> yeah. >> i'll let that stand. >> wait until you see my show. i took many libertys with everybody. >> also he is upset with "snl" saying there was bias and he wanted equal time. >> yeah. equal time.
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not sure what he means. >> is that your trump? >> how does it go. >> fantastic. i do the trump like the unctious catering hall guy, like this is fantastic, sum ptious guy. >> yeah. "snl" has a history of poking fun at presidents. watch this ♪ don't you ♪ forget about me ♪ don't don't don't >> when you think of me, when you think of john mccain, think of me, george w. bush. think of this face. when you're in the voting booth, before you vote, picture this face ♪ it's solid ♪ solid as ba recall.
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>> oh, mike, you're going to do everything, right? >> yes, sir. >> so he took issue with "snl." he said it was biassed. does he need to liesen up? >> yes, of course. but i mean i just like the pence -- i don't feel -- i feel like i was watching that sketch and i feel like it is going to be houses and it is going to be a conflict. it will be pence and like, you know, the real republican like christian and trump will be the midtown steakhouse hedge fund guys, you know, having their party. there will be a conflict. i can't seem him and pence getting along. >> you realize midtown steakhouse hedge fund guys are -- i'm generalizing here -- are mostly sort of rinos, it is only because of the monies, social liberals. >> that's what i'm saying, it is going to be two white houses between mike pence, his way, and then the other guy's. >> how do you think he will do as president? are you rooting for him?
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>> of course i'm rooting for him. >> he's the president. >> i want it to work, i want it to be great. i have the under -- if i was a betting man, i don't know it was going to last. i would say the easter egg hunt is probably the melt down, around then, but i'm hoping it works out great. >> it's going to be interesting to see at least the next four years are like. >> yes, it is. hopefully we don't break up into eight countries. >> you know, we're laughing, and you have to laugh, it is part of it. >> yeah. >> okay. all right. so i'm telling you, i have to do this. you have a special called "colin quin, the new york story" based on your hit off broadway play which you came here to talk about, and you reminisce about new york city of your childhood. let's watch this clip. >> people from new york accuse you of information. like you owe them information. don't say, excuse me, just block you. where did you get the ice cream? you're like, holy [ bleep ]. >> and then if you tell them, they want to review. is it good?
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and if you say it is good, you have to leave or they might come back and said, where is that guy that said this was good? >> so this part of thing, i grew up in the south in a red state and lived in the midwest and whatever, and there's a certain sameness to it, every single day is sort of the same. new york city, you never know what's going to happen. no day is the same. >> yeah, probably because of the subway, you know what i mean? >> exactly. >> the subway makes it random and arbitrary and it is everybody packed together. but new york is getting like -- believe me, new york is starting to look like every place else. >> you think so? why? >> every corner is a bank, then a drug store, then chain stores. used to not be chain stores in manhattan. you never would see a tgi fridays, anything like that. in fact, the first tgi friday was in manhattan, no chain restaurants. >> i go through time square and i'm like, what happened? i liked the old time square.
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kid, don't look that way because you didn't know what you would see in the window. >> exactly. now spiderman. >> what is your message to the american people? >> my message is we had a nice run. i'll see you, you know, whatever country you move to, man. i don't know. we had a good run. >> colin, you're a mess. good luck. always a pleasure. happy thanksgiving. >> you too. >> when we come back, they say donald trump's election victory is a big opportunity for them, but is it time for the president-elect to shut down his neo-nazi supporters once and for all?
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donald trump tells the "new york times" that he doesn't want white supremacists to be energized by his victory. here to discuss charles blow, hailey mcenany, john fill limbs, and cnn political commentator bakari sellers. let's discuss this and we have more to discuss because we spent a lot of time on it in the show. donald trump says he didn't do anything to energize the white supremacists but his appeal to them goes back through his entire campaign. here is chairman of the american nazi party speaking in
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september. >> now, if trump does win, okay, it is going to be a real opportunity for people like white nationalists, okay, acting intelligently to build upon that and to go and start -- you know how you have the black political caucus and what not? all right, in congress and everything. to start building on something like that, okay. so trump did disavow them, kaylee, when asked about it, but can you deny that they, not him, are trying to build on his victory? >> look, you have elements of this racist, nazi group that tried to build on the presidency of ronald reagan and they were slapped down as they should have been. you have people that -- from fringe groups on the left and right who will attempt to attach themselves the a presidency that is mainstream. we saw with hillary clinton, we saw the terrorist's fare, the
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orlando terrorist father showing up at her rally. you can't help who endorses you. you can help how you treat the endorsements. donald trump has repeatedly disavowed racism. since he became president-elect he had four vows for unity. i understand my leftist friends would like the entirety of the donald trump presidency consist of him standing on roof of trump towers saying, i disavoi, disavoi. >> should he give a speech was there was a lot of vitriol of this neo-nazi group that brand edit self at alt-right. he appears to be outraged by "hamilton" and "snl" and tweets about it. should he be, i don't know, more fervent in denouncing of them? should he get on twitter, give a speech rather than saying to a group like the "new york times," i disavow? >> look i think he has done everything he needs to do. i think a unity speech would be nice, a speech after his presidency, after he takes office uniting the country. it was obviously a divisive
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election. i think it would be a nice thing. >> charles. >> it was divisive because he made it divisive. it was divisive along racial and ethnic and religious lines because he made it divisive along those lines. when he says islam hates us, those are his words saying islam hates us. when he says the words like law and order, betty lou hammer says black people know what white people mean when they say law and order. it is anti-that you're coming in to help and protect us, it is that you want to crack down on us. this is not built out of nowhere. the idea that this man would use racial division and ethnic division and religious division in order to become elected, he has -- he built this, right. he built that and he now has to make amends for that. and he can't go -- i mean this thing when he came in the building today, i was getting out of there, i didn't want to
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be around that nonsense. that show was outrageous and ridiculous, you know. now all of a sudden you want to say, oh, but i don't mean certain things that i said to get elected. >> yeah. >> right, that is a person who lacks morals, who will do anything because all that donald trump is about is self-aggrandizement and self enrichment. he is at the center of donald trump's universe and he used racism and bigot try. th's what he did. >> john. i love the fact that the nazi has very poor cell reception in his mother's basement, and we're all fortunate for that. but, look, these guys are whack jobs. everyone hates them. donald trump has disavowed them. look, i love our system of federalism and a two party government. however, when you have two parties, unfortunately the people on the fringes are going to attach themselves to one of the two parties or they're going to attach themselves to candidates for public office to try to generate publicity.
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over in europe where they have the parlimentary system all of the nuts have their own parties and can do their own thing. it is times like this that make me wish we had that system because that way these people would go away. >> bakari? >> i think that my colleagues on the right are missing this point somewhat. i mean they're not attaching themselves to donald trump. in fact, donald trump has given them a vessel to have this outlet. i think the prime example is we talk about alt-right and i actually hate that term, we need to call it what it is, it is white nationalism, neo-naziism. donald trump took the founder of the website who breadth and brought him into the white house. this is not attaching it to something. this is bringing it to where we live, to where we govern. that's first and foremost. donald trump can't -- it is amazing how many people on the right right now, the only word they now is disavow. he disavowed, he disavowed. donald trump has tweeted ten times or more since he's been president about the media, he tweeted for times or more about
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"hamilton," he tweeted about "snl," he does all of this stuff. if donald trump wants to get excited, if he wants to have fervor, if he wants to listen -- kayleigh, please talk to him. all i want him to say is look into a camera and say to the american public, racism, hate, xenophobia has no lace in this country. what is happening is this kissy foot he is doing with white nationalists, with bigots, all it does is empower them and enrage and breeds more hate in this country. until he stands up and becomes a leader, i guess we have to wait until january 20th for him to even act as if he's going to lead the country and bring it together. we're going to continue to be divided and fall apart. >> we will be back after this.
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back now with charles, kayleigh menany, john phillips and bakari sellers. kayleigh, what are you hearing about cabinet appointments. >> look, i mean mitt romney, if donald trump chooses him that means to me mitt romney has decided to accept the trump national security agenda, the trump foreign policy agenda, but
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it is hard for me to imagine. i agree with newt, mitt romney in this position because he disagrees with everything trump stands for on these policies. but if mitt romney gets it, i trust the judgment of the president-elect. >> bakari, how about ben carson who is according to some reports being considered for housing and urban development secretary? >> i think it is -- i think it is kind of laughable. wasn't it just last week when his own advisers said he wasn't prepared to be a cabinet secretary? i just think that -- >> ben carson -- >> ben carson is a man of many skills. i just am not sure that housing is where he needs to be. i will say this though, there is an interesting pick -- i hope that he chooses mitt romney out of the choices he has. but there's an interesting pick donald trump i think can and will make and that's nikki haley to be ambassador to the u.n. i disagree with governor hailey on politics up and down, probably will dims agree until
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the day i die, but she is very representative of what the country is. she is an immigrant. her story is very passionate. her story is very true. i think she will speak to the world in a glowing way of what we represent as a country even in this donald trump administration. so that's my suggestion for u.n. ambassador. >> charles, here is trump's national security adviser comparing michael flynn to cancer to islam. >> islam is a political ideology. it definitely hides behind this notion of it being a religion. it is like cancer. i've gone through cancer in my own life. so it is like cancer. it is like a malignant cancer though in this case. it has spread. >> what do you make of that, charles? >> what are you supposed to make of that? i mean it is so outrageous. i mean this is -- this is the thing that's reall important that i cannot get across enough, that people of good faith have to -- to develop a posture that allows you to have enough
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stamina to constantly say about people like flynn, about a lot of the people that donald trump is considering, about donald trump himself, that this is not okay, that this is not who we are, that this -- that this man in donald trump and the people he is surrounding himself with so far are an affront to us, they're an abomination to what i believe america is. that is not about trying to convince some voters that they were right or wrong or trying to bring somebody to your side or not. it is simply about saying, i believe that this is wrong, morally, i have a moral responsibility to say that as often and as loudly as i can possibly say that and never get tired. king said never grow weary. i will never grow weary of saying that that is an abomination and an outrage. the fact that person is part of the cabinet is an abomination. >> i just have a few seconds left. many of trump supporters are watching and saying, listen, this is sour grapes.
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your candidate lost, he won. >> the moral flaw in that logic is you're assuming that i want to convince you. i actually don't -- i have to live with myself. i have to go to sleep at night and say i said the right thing. >> john, i have ten seconds. go for it. >> i have a fantasy baseball pick for you. mitt romney for va secretary. he is good at turning around underperforming properties. the va deserves him right now. >> and secretary of state? >> rudy giuliani. >> i would give it to nikki haley. >> got to go. >> baron trump. >> thanks for watching. everybody. have a happy thanksgiving. good -- captions by vitac -- night
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♪ the trump transition team keeping america in suspense. who will be next to land a cabinet position? curious comments on conflicts of interest. why the president-elect says the laws are on his side. and a strange trend uncovered in three battleground states. why some say hillary clinton should demand a recount. >> nice to see you boris. i'm christine romans. it's 4:00 a.m. in the east. good morning, everyone. we'll get an update from the trump transition team when they hold a conference call with


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