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hi there, i'm brooke baldwin, thank you for joining me on this day before thanksgiving. we begin this hour with breaking developments on how donald trump is expanding his team and in more ways than one expanding its diversity. he has just named these two women to cabinet-level positions and his former rival dr. ben carson gave this hint that big news is coming about his own "role" in making america great again. also moments ago, president-elect trump selected a woman by the name of betsy devos, a school choice advocate, to become his next education secretary. this is all happening hours after trump named his first outright critic to a cabinet-level position. he chose south carolina governor nikki haley to be his ambassador to the united nations. she is the daughter of immigrants from india. so let's go to jason carroll who is down in palm beach and trump's mar-a-lago where he will
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be spending the rest of his thanksgiving week. jason carroll, first on the news of the pick for education secretary, tell me more about betsy devos. >> reporter: betsy devos, long-time advocate of school choice and school vouchers, huge gop donor. here's the question mark with this particular choice, brooke. when you think about trump's rallies and some of the points that got the most applause, talking about getting rid of common core, huge applause and this is someone, betsy devos, who has been a supporter common core during the past, she was a member of the bush foundation excellence in education which was the essential backer of common cause so there seems to be a question mark. did she change her position on the common cause or did trump
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change his position? that's still the question mark there. trump did release a statement about this particular choice saying under her leadership we will reform the u.s. education system and break the bureaucracy holding our children back. jeb bush came out in support of betsy devos and she came out tweeting saying the following "i'm honored to work with the president-elect on his vision to make american education great again. the status quo in education is not acceptable. once again a bit of a question mark with this appointment naming betsy devos as education secreta secretary. who changed the position on common core. did she or trump? brooke? >> jason, thank you all these names floating around, south carolina governor nikki haley was a reluctant trump voter, remember this? months ago. in fact, before trump became the republican nominee governor hailey slighted trump and
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endorsed senator rubio and trump then counterpunched. remember this? >> donald trump is everything we hear and teach our kids not to do in kindergarten. i will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the kkk. >> she's very, very weak on illegal immigration. we can't have that. >> we don't want a president that will just bash and sit there and tell us what we're not doing right. when a bully hits you, you hit that bully right back. >> now governor haley will be working for donald trump if she is confirmed. let me bring in voices here. andy shane of the south carolina paper coastal courier, retired army colonel peter mansour, aid to david petraeus and lanhee chen, who used to serve as public policy director for mitt romney. all these names are jgermane in this conversation about hiss picks for next cabinet. andy, to you in south carolina,
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as we talk about governor haley, what she's accomplished in the year, i think of the flooding in your state. i think of the mass shooting in charleston at the church and the bipartisan support and how she was able to help remove the confederate flag in columbia. that said, if we're talking about the u.n. ambassador, what foreign policy experience does she have? >> well, brooke, that's the big question is what kind of foreign policy experience does she have. most of her experience dealing with overseas relations, foreign relations, has dealt with economic development, trade missions, she's been on seven overseas trade missions. she's dealt with executives from overseas in trying to get them to land companies here in south carolina or get them to expand operations here in south carolina so it's been more economic than diplomatic for her. >> all right, moving to lanhee your former boss governor mitt romney. he's being seriously considered,
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is apparently seriously considering the post as secretary of state leaving his job in the cabinet. trump loyalists are ripping the idea that this is just a total prize. why would governor romney want to say yes? >> you know, brooke, from the start governor romney has always been a patriot, at core he wants to do everything he can to help the president-elect govern successfully and that was the point he made shortly after the election in a phone call and a congratulatory tweet and why he shared his thoughts about the world with mr. trump in a meeting on saturday. >> a tweet is one thing, lanhee. taking secretary of state post is quite another. >> well, i don't think any decisions have been made or anything out there in terms of actually what's going to happen. what we have is a bunch of speculation right now ahead of a holiday weekend so we'll see where this goes but the bottom line is governor romney is committed to helping the
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president-elect govern effectively come january. >> the actual reporting is he is seriously considering it and he's going to consider it through the thanksgiving weekend. colonel, to you, as we're throwing out names, some of trump's harshest critics being mitt romney or governor haley. you have not been quiet about not being a supporter of mr. trump's. do you respect him more for opening his arms to some of his harshest it are i cans? >> well, i've always said sense the election that we need to give him time to form his team and we'll judge him on his policies in office. i respect some of his more recent considerations for the cabinet. there's others like bannon that i simply shake my head and i wonder why he's in the west wing. >> andy, when you look at potential picks of dr. ben carson, retired neurosurgeon,
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brillia brilliant, brilliant guy who could be a pick at housing and urban development or as we mentioned governor haley who doesn't have exactly foreign policy chops. what do you make of those two elections and also an african-american and indian american. >> certainly the advantage of nominating governor haley is that she is the daughter of indian immigrants, she is obviously a rising star in the party, the youngest governor in the country, the first female governor in south carolina. she is seen as someone trying to make the party more inclusive, obviously that's been a criticism of mr. trump's so i think in the end there's a win-win for both of them, for president-elect trump you get, obviously, someone in your cabinet or in a cabinet-level position who didn't agree with you necessarily during the campaign but, of course, could help bring moderates back into the camp and for governor haley it's a chance to broaden her experience and maybe put her in
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the talk for 2024. >> that's right, that could be another piece of it, the long game for her. another name being floated, colonel mansoor, is general david petraeus, highly decorated, impressive resume. he said he's open to working within a trump administration but it's interesting, let's remember he was forced to step down after he pled guilty to mishandling confidential information in connection with his -- that affair so given the conviction, what position could he realistically serve? >> he could realistically serve in any cabinet position. he pled got a misdemeanor with two years of probation so i don't think that will have any impact on whether he should serve. >> you don't? >> no, he stayed out of the partisan political fray during the nomination process and i think he was positioned to serve in either a clinton or trump
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administration. he's enormously capable and if called on i think he's ready to serve the people of the united states in a trump administration. >> but what happened all the republicans who, you know, cried foul when it camed to hillary clinton and classified information and her private server? >> i think it's a matter of degree. he shared a notebook with someone who had a security clearance who then used the information in a public venue and i think the concern, as you know, over hillary clinton is the scale of the server and the sheer number of e-mails on it and putting classified information on a server that was unclassified and not controlled by the government. i think general petraeus's transgression is less serious. >> there is news out of iran, today, lanhee.
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the ayatollah khamenei said today iran would react if the u.s. under a president trump were to level sanctions in violation of the deal that was struck under the current administration. would a president trump, based upon this agreement, be able to level sanctions? >> i think we have to take the president-elect at his word when he says he's interested in voiding the deal with iran. it doesn't surprise me that's the reaction from the iranian side. but, look over the course of the campaign this was one of those things that president-elect trump was very insistent on, he was very insistent on the fact that he felt the obama administration's approach to iran was wrong headed, that he was going to take a different approach so i think there are things within the authority of the next president-elect to reexamine the deal struck with iran and potentially to take a very different path in our engagement or not engagement with iran going forward. >> lanhee and colonel mansoor
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and andy, thank you so much, appreciate your voices here this day before the holiday. coming up next, there are computer scientists who are pleading with hillary clinton and her team to challenge the election results in three states. find out why and whether the clinton camp should listen. plus, the "new york times" editorial board says it's stunned in how thin president-elect trump's policies are. we'll talk live with someone who's face to face with the president-elect in that meeting at the times just yesterday and a little boy hurt in that deadly school bus crash in chattanooga is told his sister, who was also on the bus, just got her wings. heartbreaking, heartbreaking new details about this little boy and girl. stay with me. ♪ i want a hippopotamus for christmas ♪
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the holidays, so come try one before it ends. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. welcome back to cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. you know the story, cnn called the election and donald trump won in the reliably blue rust belt giving him the lift he needed to become the 45th president of the united states.
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but with the popular vote, hillary clinton has the lead of almost two million votes. this as a source tells cnn a top clinton campaign official had a phone meeting with and election lawyers calling for a recount they say persuasive evidence they have these three state, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, indicate results may have been manipulated or hack hacked. here with me to discuss this, former new york city council speaker christine quinn. an honor to have you. >> thank you. >> we see you on tv all the time talking about your gal hillary and when you hear that john podesta and folks had a phone call with these scientists, even though there's basically no evidence, why do you think they took the meeting? >> i've not spoken to any of
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them so i don't know. in america every vote gets count ed, i understand the electoral college, but it's remarkable that the person who did not win the election is going to win the popular vote by two million votes. that's significant. i think the conversations started to be those things on the internet and then took off to have real legitimate computer scientists and statisticians, et cetera, so i can understand why john would take that. >> giving them the time of day, hear them out. >> these are legitimate individuals who have spent a lot of time and their energy and in the kind of american vision of every vote needs to get counted they did deserve to have their voices heard by john and the
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staff a remains what will come of it? who knows? who knows? i don't know. obviously there's part of me that realistically i think probably again no knowledge that john podesta was being gracious. >> we saw hillary clinton speaking to the children's defense fund. that image we've been seeing on the screen, people coming and going outside of trump tower, people in palm beach, what do you make of all of it. >> it's so different than any transition which is usually not played out in front of the cameras. it really is "apprentice" like. or pageant like. which each one of the potential candidates or contestants, if you will meeting the president-elect, the photo-op in front of the door, it really is kind of gay marriaged in a way
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and weirdly competitive in an external-facing way that i think is not usually how transitions are done because you want to have a bunch of people who are connected and supporting you and your vision whether they got the job or not. >> on to you, off of politics, i reached out to you privately a couple weeks ago because i was so moved by this piece you had written because, listen, losing isn't fun. >> nope. >> you didn't like hillary clinton losing, you yourself had a gut-wrenching loss. you wanted to be mayor of this beautiful city in new york, it didn't happen. you had as we would say to the south a come to jesus trip. >> exactly. >> and you came back and you decided what? >> i came back and did some other work, was at a followship at harvard which was amazing, very helpful in my journey and i really decided and i have to say the institute of politics and working with the students confirmed this for me, the title doesn't matter, the work matters
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and it became clear that i wanted to work on urban issues. i wanted to work in new york. i wanted to work in women's issues. i wanted to run a group of size and substance that did both direct service and advocacy. the change we're fighting for is not what i think it is as a think tank, it's what the women and children tell us everyday and when is the largest provider of shelter and permanent housing to homeless women in children in new york city -- >> good for you. if i may just applaud you because. wi with. with. with --. with win, what is this? >> it's the largest shelter provider in new york city and what most people don't know is that 70% of homeless people are families with children. the vast majority and we house
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close to 5,000 of those individuals a night. >> last question, just being mindful of thanksgiving and this country and its divisive and people are emotional, i was emotional yesterday, what's -- what can we all take away from what you've done? >> so i think you can take away i hope something what from what i've done but more importantly what i see our homeless moms do everyday. 51% of the moms in our helters are working, they're getted so much to getting out of shelter and getting their lives better for themselves but for their beautiful little children, our moms are resilient, they don't give up and they're not so much focused on themselves as their children so i hope as what i learned for myself and we can all be mindful of as a country in what are challenging times for a lot of us, it's not about our title, it's about who we're serving and helping, be resilient, don't give up and
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when that's hard, focus on money is else in your life you know or don't -- who you love. >> the ms. quinn, thank you so much. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving, everybody. >> happy thanksgiving, thank you. coming up next here, back to politics, inside look at trump's meeting with the "new york times" where he seemed to soften on a number of the promises he made on the campaign trail. also ahead, parents and friends speaking about their absolutely gut-wrenching loss this week after this school bus crashed in chattanooga. hear what happened in the hospital as doctors are meeting with parents and how one little boy survived but his sister did not. your insurance company
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one day before thanksgiving it is a time of mourning for a tennessee community where five children were killed in a bus crash on their way home from school. a kindergartener, a first grader and three-fourth graders all lost their lives in monday's crash in chattanooga. nine-year-old cordasia jones was one of them, her count called her a bright little girl and said got was ready for his angel to come home. we're hearing from one of the grieving moms about the moment she found out her only child, six-year-old timon brown, had taken his final breath. >> i know where my babysits on the bus, i know he sits on the front, i know that because i see him every morning and evening and he gets in the same spot, so
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when they told me the front of the bus had been removed, i automatically had the mother instinct that my baby was up there because i had been waiting for the kids and i hadn't seen my son yet. so then i made my way to the emergency room because they kept telling me that several kids were already at the emergency room and you just need to go there and they'll try to identify them. from there i was about 4:00 something until 11:40 last night and i finally got the word that my son was deceased about 10:30 or 10:45 last night that he was one of the ones that was dead on the scene. >> as we are learning more and more about the young lives, we are also learning the man behind the wheel had been involved in another school bus crash just two months ago.
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investigators say in september 24-year-old johnthony walker failed to yield the right of way and sideswiped a car. no one was seriously hurt. now this young man is facing five counts of vehicular homicide as well as reckless enendangerment charges. his arrests say he was speeding down a winding road, he lost control of the school bus, swerved outside and hit a tree just outside one woman's tree. >> i ran out and all i could hear was kids screaming. and i mean they was screaming. one little boy, there were two, maybe three thrown off the bus. he was laying there, he wasn't moving, i thought he was already passed. another little boy was asking me "am i bleeding?" and i said "no, you're not bleeding" but he seen other kids bleeding so he thought he was bleeding also. >> hundreds of mourners are coming together to pray for everyone affected by this sudden loss, at least 12 children are still in the hospital.
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several of them with severe head or spinal injuries. a local pastor said he has been at the hospital to help comfort the families who are in so much pain. >> it's something i've never, never experienced before. as the doctors were coming in and just announced to a family that your child is deceased, i saw mothers literally passing out, people on the floor, the screams, i can still hear them. i woke up this morning, it's a chilling sound, you could just hear the screams. they didn't know what to do. they was grabbing, holding on to myself and other chaplains and ministers asking the question "is my child really gone? are they coming back?" you don't know what to do with that. just lay on the floor with them crying, hold on to them and it makes you reflect on what's
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important in life and how much we take for granted. >> i want to show you one more of the young little lives who died. this is nine-year-old zoe nash. sow zoe's uncle says she is a sweet girl who loves softball and played basketball. her younger brother zach is expected to survive. zach learned about their big sister's passing when her mom told him that zoe had received her wings. the little girl would have turned 10 on december 12. her family still plans to have a birthday party in her honor. it's been touring the country telling folks about our heart healthy idaho potatoes, america's favorite potatoes, and donating to local charities along the way. but now it's finally back home where it belongs. aw man.
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. we're back, this is cnn. softing, backing down, flip-flopping. call it what you will but the words candidate trump are different than president-elect trump. here are a couple can examples. first on torture. >> torture works, okay, folks? you know, i have these guys, torture doesn't work. believe me, it works, stock? waterboarding is the minor form. some people say it's not actually torture. let's assume it is. they asked me the question what do you think of waterboarding? absolutely fine but we should go much stronger than waterboarding, that's the way i feel. >> during this sit down on-the-record meeting yesterday at the "new york times" with the "new york times," president-elect trump alluded to reporters after speaking to retired general james mattis that he is under consideration for secretary of defense that he may change his stance on torture. this is his quote "general mattis said i never found it being useful, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple beers
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and i'll do better. i was very impressed with that answer. torture is not going to make the kind of difference that a lot of people are thinking." so there's that. then there's trump's campaign promise on prosecuting hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton will be under investigation for a long, long time for her many crimes against our nation, our people, our democracy, likely concluding in a criminal trial. [ crowd chanting "lock her up." ] >> but now we know mr. trump is changing his tone on that as well, telling the "times" "i don't want to hurt the clintons, i really don't. it's just not something i feel very strongly about. as for climate change in march trump told the "washington post" "i am not a great believer in man-made climate change." yesterday he said "i think there is some connectivity, some
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something." so joining me now, one of the reporters in that room with trump, the media correspondent for the "new york times." your tweets, we were hanging on your every word yesterday, thank you for swinging by. >> thanks for having me. >> give me the color and tell me about his demeanor when you were sitting in the room. >> we didn't know which donald trump was going to show up yesterday. there was the trump who a day before at trump tower had essentially laced into television executives, denouncing the dishonest media and a few hours before called the "new york times" a failing institution so when we walked in the room we didn't know what to expect. the president-elect walked in, very cordial, shook the hands of every editor and reporter around the table, opened a diet coke and the conversation began. >> how did he seem? >> very calm, there was none of the anger or rancor we heard about from these other sessions trump had had with the press and it seemed like he was in full on sales mode. he was very jocular at times,
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joking with reporters and the publisher. he was very moderate both in his tone and, as you were pointing out, in some of the policies he described, really seeming to back away from some of his strident promises on the trail. >> we'll get to that in a second. but the fact that he has called the "times" time and time again, failing, that he has lambaste the "times" and that he and his team literally picked up and went across town to 5th avenue, what do you make of the fact that this is his home turf and at the failing times gave this interview. >> his final words were that the times was a "world jewel." it was very important to the "new york times" that this be on the record. we felt the public needed to hear the words of their president-elect, especially the one who has not held a news conference since being elected. donald trump is a new yorker and
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since his early days as an up and coming new york socialite he has revered the "times" as an institution whose admiration and respect he's always sought after and that came across in the meeting. he was showing some respect saying he reads the paper but he said if he didn't read it he'd live 20 years longer. >> so it's almost like out of one side of the mouth and then the other but when it comes to -- we ran through issues like torture or climate change and when you were asking about syria, how did he respond? were there specifics? >> i would say whiplash inducing is the way some of us felt. take climate change. does he see a ling between human activity and global warming. "well, i do see some link" donald trump said, which seemed to break with his rhetoric from the past several months and he said he would keep an open mind from staying in the global climate change accords he promised.
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what i think we have to keep in mind, though, is that the donald trump we get the often contingent on the audience he's speaking to and it felt like he may have been -- >> he knows how to read a room. >> 100%. one of the shrewdest at that anywhere and to the extent he was giving answers that he felt perhaps this audience would be receptive to we'll have to wait and see how that shakes out. >> let's hope there are many, many, more on-the-record meetings with the trump team and mr. trump himself. michael birm bagrynbaum. thank you so much. next, we're live at the white house where the annual thanksgiving pardon is set to take place. will president obama pardon tater or tot? we'll be right back.
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fortunately, i have by my side here today, two of my nephews, austin and erin robinson who, unlike malia and sasha have not yet been turned cynical by washington. [ laughter ] they still believe in bad puns. they still appreciate the grandeur of this occasion. they still have hope. malia and sasha, by the way, are thankful this is my final presidential turkey pardon. what i haven't told them yet is that we are going to do this every year from now on. [ laughter ] no cameras, just us, every year. no way i'm cutting this habit
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cold turkey. [ laughter [ laughter ] [ laughter and applause ] that was pretty funny. [ laughter ] thanksgiving is a chance to gather with loved ones, reflect on our many blessings and, after a long campaign season, finally turn our attention from polls to poult poultry. this year we're honored to be joined by two of the lucky ones who were raised by the domino family in iowa, tater and tot. now,tater is here in a backup role just in case tot can't fulfill his duties. he's sort of like the vice turkey. we're working on getting him a pair of aviator glasses. and it is my great privilege -- well, it's my privilege -- well, let's just say it's my job to
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grant them clemency this afternoon. as i do, i want to take a moment to recognize the brave turkeys who weren't so lucky, who didn't get to ride the gravy train to freed freedom, who met their face with courage and sacrifice and proved they weren't chicken. [ moans ] it's not that bad now, come on. of course we have a lot to be thankful for this thanksgiving -- six straight years of job creation, the longest streak ever, low unemployment, wages are rising again, the stock market has tripled, our high school graduation rate is an all-time high and our uninsured rate is an all-time low thanks to the 20 million more americans including millions of children who finally know the security of health insurance. [ cheers and applause ]
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that's worth gobbling about. our families across the country are finally complete now that marriage equality is the law of the land. there are many families of service members who this thanksgiving can celebrate with our brave troops and veterans who we welcomed home. thanksgiving is also a reminder of the source of our national strength, that out of many we are one and we're bound not by race or religion but adherence to a common creed, that all of us are created equal and while accepting our differences and building a diverse society has never been easy, it's never been more important, we are people that look out for one another and get each other's backs. we keep moving forward defined by values and ideals that have been alike to all humanity.
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we had to see ourselves in each other because we've all got families we love and we all have hopes for a better future and we lose site of that sometimes and thanksgiving is a good time for us to remember that has. we have a lot more in common than divides us. the holidays are also a time when it's more important to reach out to those who need a helping hand. i believe we're judged by how we care for the poor, the vulnerable, the sick, and the elderly, the immigrant, the refugee and everybody trying to get a second chance. i believe that in order to live up to those ideals we have to continually fight discrimination in all its forms and always show the world that america is a generous and giving country. we should also make sure everyone has something to eat on thanksgiving -- except turkeys because they're already stuffed. so later today the -- [ laughter ]
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-- so later today the obama family will participate in our traditional thanksgiving service project and when somebody at your table tells you that you've been hogging all the side dishes and you can't have any more i hope you respond with a creed that a sums up the spirit of the hungry people, "yes, we cran." [ laughter ] that was good. you don't think that's funny? look, i know there's some bad ones in here but this is the last time i'm doing this so we're not leaving any room for leftovers. [ laughter and applause ] let me just say -- how am i doing? good? let me just say one last thing before i spare these turkey's lives. on this thanksgiving i want to express my sincere gratitude to the american people for the trust you've placed in me over these last eight years and the incredible kindness you've shown my family.
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you've had michelle, my mother-in-law and our girls, we want to thank you so very, very much. now, from the rose garden, tater and todd will go to their new home at virginia tech which is admittedly a bit hokey. [ laughter ] they'll get to live out their natural lives in a new facility called gobblers rest where students and veterinarians will care for them. so let's get on with the pardoning because it's wednesday afternoon and everyone knows thanksgiving traffic can put people in a "fowl" mood. [ laughter ] happy thanksgiving, everybody, let's go pardon these turkeys, come on, guys, come on. [ applause ] >> is this tater or tot? >> tot. >> i'm signing documents for
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tater also? >> yes, sir. >> i should stand on this side so everybody can see it. tot, i hereby pardon you from the thanksgiving table and we hope that you have a wonderful time in gobbler's rest and i get a little special dispensation, you want to touch him? you want to do that? what do you think? oh, that was nice. you want to try it? no? cup kind of soft, huh? all right, congratulations. [ applause ] >> thank you so much, sir. >> thank you, everybody. whoa!
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freedom! >> you guys did great. can everybody give them a big round of a applause? [ applause ] happy thanksgiving, everybody. >> "yes, we cran." you could have played a drinking game with those white house speech writers. it's fun to watch these. suzanne malveaux is at the white house. i was looking forward to seeing sasha and malia and the eye roll at their dad but this year they're like "see you later." >> we get used to seeing their giggles and smirks for the last seven years or so. they've had some cute replacements. but it was funny, you look at
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these turkeys and we've gotten so much more information than they did before because they have their own twitter account that we've been following since turkey. they went from iowa. they were raised on a family farm. they traveled from the white house from iowa to the white house, a familiar pattern as you can imagine and we saw actually they go through something called podium practice where they stand on a little platform so they don't go flapping away. i remember under bill clinton that he had a turkey that escaped on the south lawn and the secret service were chasing after him to get him back so they practice for this big day. but this is really a special time, a fun time, it's a tradition they've had that they've shared over many administrations. i believe it was truman who first -- at least they believe -- pardoned a turkey. it was a photo-op with a turkey that he had. we found out that he ended up
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taking it to his family home and it was eaten by relatives. >> yeah, suzanne, let me jump in, we have a -- thank you so much. we have to some of your points in turkey's pardoned past, we have highlights and low lights from the time-honored white house tradition. ♪ ♪ >> whoa! [ laughter ] >> look, i had a chance to shoot a bunch of you the other day and didn't. >> how about that? >> it's still a bit of a mystery when exactly the first thanksgiving was actually held. some say it was in 1513 when ponce de leone landed in florida. but the expert opinions about that are divided and the recount
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is still under way. [ laughter ] >> i'm pleased to announce the winning names, they are may and flower. they're certainly better than the names the vice president suggested which is lunch and dinner. >> there has been a fierce competition between a bunch of turkeys trying to wind their way into the white house. some of you caught that. (vo) your love is purely thoughtful, purely natural, purely fancy feast. delicious entrées, crafted to the last detail. flaked tuna, white-meat chicken,
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for kids with disabilities, it can be tough to find a physical activity that fits his or her unique needs. one family in sanford, florida, has formed a nonprofit to help
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families like their own break through those barriers. >> just get warmed up. everyone start bouncing. even though they have disabilities doesn't mean they can't do what we can do. i'm katarina, and i'm the head instructor at breaking barriers martial arts. breaking barriers teaches children with all types of disabilities. we have down syndrome, muscular dystrophy, autism, adhd. it's fun to see them coming out of their shells and knowing that being different is okay. i have two younger brothers, david and kenny, and they were both diagnosed with autism at a young age. it was really hard to find something for my brothers to be involved in so it was neat when we joined tai kwan do, we were able to do it as a family. i felt like the environment was so much more understanding. >> most importantly, tai kwan do is how to become a better person. >> i started this program, i had no idea it was going to be anything more than just a saturday class that was going to be fun for kids to come to play
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and learn martial arts but it made an impact on these kids. >> it was good to know that we're helping other families that are like us. >> i was thinking i would never quit. >> he has blossomed through this program. i mean, as a parent, it's the most incredible feeling. all right, we continue on. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. just a heads up, any moment now we'll hear from chattanooga police holding a news conference on just this heart wrenching school bus crash that has killed at least five children. here is what we know. today it is a time of mourning for this tight-knit southern community. a kindergartener, a first grader and three-fourth graders all lost their lives this week. nine-year-old cordasia jones was one of them. her aunt called her a bright little girl and s