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cnn's jim acosta joins me with everything weighed. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning, john. that's right. and we had some trump transition officials hold a conference call earlier this morning. they announced there are going to be two staff-level announcements late other than today. we should get those by the end of business day. john, then as you heard, as well, that mike pence and president-elect donald trump will meet with more candidates for these various positions they have to fill on monday. so that's coming up on monday, and the transition steam saying at this point, don't expect anymore announcements after these two announcements they make later on today until after the thanksgiving weekend. so they are trying to slow the pace a bit inside trump world, but i think you're right. the big conversation that is being had right now, john, is over this issue of secretary of state. it's almost unheard of to see people inside a presidential circle speaking so loudly and openly about these misgivings
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that they apparently have within at least a faction inside the trump transition team about making mitt romney the next secretary of state. obviously, governor romney, when he was in salt lake city earlier this year had very tough things to say about donald trump, and it's just going to be a very difficult bridge for him to get across in order to land this job. and you know, i'm told by sources i've talked to close to governor romney that, you know, they are also, you know, seeing the governor weigh this very seriously, but the question is whether or not he can get to that point where he thinks he can work with donald trump. so they apparently still have a lot to work through. seeing kellyanne conway, tweets sent thanksgiving day, deluged with comments and questions about romney giving you a good crystallization about some of the problems that this potential nomination might have. >> not sending that stuff on thanksgiving unless you want to send a very clear message.
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>> reporter: ak salubsolutely. >> hope you had a happy thanksgiving. and cnn senior political analyst anna palmer, senior washington correspondent for politico and eugene got. start with you, since you e-mail me every morning. thanks for coming in. our first time together. a lot of intrigue over this mitt romney thing going on now and a lot of sniping, all happening in the big, wide open. you guys talked a lot about it this morning. >> absolutely. i think what is so surprising, any kind of normal transition effort is this would never be happening. i don't know it's that surprising considering donald trump is tweeting at the "new york times," kellyanne conway, sending signals. certainly, you know, romney picked would be controversial for establishment republicans give them great confidence where donald trump is going with this administration, but more kind of "the" real trump supporters, you know, romney basically represents everything that they
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hate. >> and ron brownstein, speculation earlier that kellyanne conway doesn't do something like this, doesn't send those tweets on thanksgiving day, unless she thinks there's a real shot at president-elect might actually pick mitt romney? >> you know, i feel we should get a single key on all of our computers to press one key and get in an unprecedented development, comma. certainly what kellyanne conway did yesterday was unlike anything we've seen with a transig. a senior adviser going public basically laying down a case against a nominee who is ostensively under consideration. a really kwefrl choice, consequential choice. the breach between donald trump and infrastructure, so much greater. everyone you would expect to see in a deputy and assistant secretary of state level at both the state department and the pentagon signed letters saying during the campaign they
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believed he was unqualified by temperament, judgment and experience to be commander in chief. and i think if you appointed someone like romney, you have an opportunity to build bridges back to those generations of republican expertise but requires getting over, not only the extraordinary personal comments the fact mitt romney's foreign policy critique as a candidate, president obama was too soft on russia at a time donald trump is unequivocally signaled he wants to have a closer relationship. there is a lot to get over. the fact kellyanne felt comfortable going out means it's probably a bridge too far, but there are big consequences a big fork in the road for donald trump. >> interesting, eugene, because early on, you know, two weeks ago right after donald trump won the election, talks that the transition, all of these bumps, it was rocky. now he's right on target. he has as many appointments of staff and nomination at the cabinet level and any transition has had, or in some cases ahead of the game.
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as ron is saying, in an unprecedented development, doing some of this in a very, very public way. this, we'd be crazy not to think that this tells us something about how the trump administration will be after january 20th. >> it's a reminder of the diversity of the republican party, or at least the group that elected donald trump. many people want many different things. you definitely have people who supported him, hoping he'd be a disrupter and bring new ideas and new people to washington, d.c. but also he carried the republican establishment, and mitt romney is an example of that, and there are people who are hoping that there are more mitt romneys than steve bannons in this administration. interesting to see when direction donald trump takes. >> and you take the temperature of insiders literally every day. and every morning. you know, what is your sense of how the republican party establishment now feels? now feels about the trump team? look, reince priebus chief of
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staff. literally head of the establishment in a way sitting there inside the office, but are they getting as much as they want now? >> i think that the moves he's done so far has calmed a lot of the nerves and the fact that people feel like trump is very unpredictable, but certainly these kinds of, you know, in-fighting in public, the fact there's concern a romney secretary of state would be a rogue agency, that donald trump couldn't keep control over. i think this kind of just brings up how untraditional and how people like things to be moving steady and calmly forward as this transition of power happens, and these bumps in the road definitely give establishment republicans pauses and case for concern. >> and ron, i have to believe that the romney thanksgiving is a microcosm of that pause. right? probably sitting around the table weighing, is this a job that i should do? is this a job that will be difficult for me to do? is it worth the sacrifice? i mean, these are questions for mitt romney now, too. >> absolutely.
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the op-ed only a week earlier from two weeks ago from elliott cohen, former top for's policy adviser in the bush administration advising other republicans not to go into this administration. ultimately it will impinge on your career and sense of self. there is still a big divide in the foreign policy world. michael flynn, national security advisers, is a very pogg polari pick, if you end up with rudy giuliani as secretary of state, if he hasn't done that already, many who many in the traditional republican party circles would feel hesitant working for. donald trump has an enormous amount of flexibility making these appointments, but fewer republican leaders and elected officials supported him openly and campaigned for him actively than probably any other nominee. past jeff sessions and rudy giuliani, chris christie and newt gingrich, is list is pretty
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short. he has a lot of room to maneuver making these choices. >> he doesn't owe the party or insiders that much, although people loyal to him, of those loyal to him, top of that list is rudy giuliani. right? >> yes. >> mayor giuliani was out very vocally with donald trump when many others weren't. the former new york city mayor is not that happy being left in the wind right now. >> much of this is about, think of giuliani, huckabee, other establishment republicans that took a lot of heat for backing trump early i think they want to see some type of repayment. mitt romney took praise for not backing donald trump and looks like he could end up with a valuable golden egg like giuliani and maybe huckabee want for themselves. i'm not surprised to see some sour grapes. >> thank you all for being with us. appreciate it.
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if the economy was key issue for this election, you might want to know who this guy is, wilbur ross. said to be a top contender for commerce secretary. he doesn't actually need the job. he doesn't really need to work now or probably for the next, you know, 150,000 years, if he didn't want to. we'll tell you what you need to know about him and why he's called the bankruptcy king. that's coming up. but it is a sad day for millions of people who loved watching reruns or watching sitcoms on tv. florence henderson, carol brady, a storied career onstage and screen, passed away overnight. te of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call
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we were there every afternoon with our kids. >> still awake from the news broke and reading tweets of people who knew and loved her and loved her in a role she took on as carol brady, as america's mom, and so many americans are thankful it's a role she loved. ♪ here's the story of a lovely lady ♪ >> reporter: florence henderson captured hearts across the country as one of television's most iconic mothers, carol brady. >> you'll find it. >> good luck on your debate today, jan. >> thank you. >> oh, sweetheart, you look lovely. don't be nervous about a thing. >> reporter: stars at the matriarch of a blend family her career ever defined by her character on the 1970s family comedy "the brady bunch". ♪ the brady bunch >> i created the kind of mother that i wished i'd had, and i think that everyone longs for.
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>> reporter: taking on the role was something henderson embraced. >> i get so much fan mail from all over the world, and everybody wants a hug. from me. >> yeah, yeah. >> and i hug everybody. >> reporter: and in the decades following the show, henderson never shied away from the limelight, returning to her beloved carol brady for multiple spin jauchs of "the brady show". ♪ my lucky star >> reporter: but before the she became a brady, henderson seemed destined for show business. >> i don't ever remember not singing and i would sing in pass the hat and sing for groceries. >> reporter: henderson's career took off at the age of 19 when she landed a leading role in rodgers & hammerstein's "oklahoma" in 1951. ♪ oklahoma >> reporter: becoming a bona fide broadway star, her tv career progressed becoming nbc's "today" girl in 1959. and she broke barriers as the first woman to guest host "the
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tonight show" in 1962. henderson earned her star on the hollywood walk of fame in 1996, and danced her way to a new generation of fans on "dancing with the stars" in 2010. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: today, america mourns the loss of everyone's favorite mom. ♪ i want to be loved by you, gist you and nobody else but you ♪ i want to be loved by you alone ♪ >> reporter: and a whole new generation of people saw her on d d "dancing with the stars" and saw a whole new side when competing on the show, all of her moxie in her 70s. re-appeared this season because her tv daughter, maureen mccormick, marcia brady on the show. showed herself off saying, marcia, marcia, marcia, even in the audience monday night.
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tweeting florence henderson was a dear friend for so very many years and in my heart forever. love and hugs to her family. i'll miss you dearly. also her other child on the show, played greg brady, barry williams tweeting he was deeply saddened and she was one of most gracious he had ever known. think back to florence henderson all of those years, i remember her as the pitch woman for wesson oil. i always thinks thoe of those w think of that. >> hard work. acting. touched a lot of lives. stephanie elam, thanks so much. continuing our discussion now. joining us on the phone author joel brokaw who co-wrote florence henderson's biography, "life is not a stage." thanks for being with us. we know she's a friend of yours and are sorry for your loss. can you tell us what florence henderson wanted people to know about her life and career?
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>> well, i think the wonderful thing about her was when she decided to write her auto biography and i helped her to get it down on paper. she really wanted people -- she wanted to help people, even through that process, and she was willing to discuss a lot of things, since a lot things were tragic and uncomfortable, because she nat, you know, there would be something in it that might help someone. because that was the thing with her. the thing that gave her the greatest amount of pleasure was meeting people in a restaurant or getting fan letters from all over the world, and hearing the stories about how her work on "the brady bunch" really made a difference in everyone's lives. as you were talking about before, about how she was a mother to a lot of people who didn't have that in real life. >> you know, she was the kind of
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mother, she always said, everyone always wanted and maybe even the kind she wanted. she didn't have it easy growing up. >> no. and, in fact, when we were sitting and working on her childhood, she was tearing up quite a lot during that time and i had the impression that she really hadn't emptied out her heart what she went through in her childhood because she had an alcoholic father who she loved but had all sorts of problems. and her mother after having many children and florence being the last got fed up and abandoned her at a very early age. so i think that, you know, from the very start she had such a sense of gratitude on such a deep, spiritual level for all the good things that came her way, because she had that perspective from a life of deprivation, not only in material but also the parental
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deaf p deprivation. >> meaningful, because sometimes, performers, actors, actresses, so closely identified with one role end up with a love/hate relationship, almost trapped by it. i never got the impression. >> absolutely. >> that florence henderson was like that. always seemed to me she was grateful for the chance to play carol brady. grateful that the doors that it opened -- and if she ever talked about it or made fun of it, it was it in a self-deprecating way. >> you are absolutely correct. and the funniest thing about it all is the fact that it was a role that she really wasn't that excited about when it was offered to her. and, in fact, her agent convinced her to do it. she was living on the east coast. she had a really good life, and suddenly having demands of doing a television show. so she did the pilot and she didn't think it was going to sell, and it's interesting how some of the greatest blessings
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in her life came from something she was less than enthusiastic about from the beginning, but she -- i've had the opportunity to know lots of celebrities in my lifetime, and i cannot think of anyone who was more comfortable in her skin than florence henderson and especially about b"the brady bunch." a character name, and they would cringe, other actresses. but she didn't take anything for granted and loved the contact with people and loved new challenges and trying different things all the time. she was really an inspiration. >> so refreshing. look, a lot of people watch "the brady bunch" now and think it's hokey. if you watch her performance over the years it is pitch perfect. she was a tactician, too, when performing and so skillful at were y pulling off that role and known as someone so kind. tell me about the last time you heard from her.
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>> well, actually, she sent me an e-mail about two weeks ago, because my father just passed away, and it was just so heartfelt and, you know, she asked about my 5-year-old son, and it was just -- as i said, it was -- you know, we spent a lot of time together writing this book, and then once the book is out and published, you don't have that much time together anymore, but you really feel like you've become friends with the people that you work with, and she became really the dearest friend of any client or any person that i ever worked with, because she was just so caring and so loving. >> how nice that you had a chance to be touched by her, and her life. joel brokaw, thanks for beings with you. really appreciate it. really, really good memories. >> thank you. again, florence henderson passed away at the age of 82. we'll be right bag.
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bankruptcy. billionaire investor wilbur ross expected to be named commerce secretary by president-elect donald trump sometime soon. so why is he the king of bankruptcy? ross earned billions after buying, restructuring and selling off struggling companies and served as a senior policy adviser during trump's campaign and adding a little controversy to the cabinet. a cabinet full of millionaires and billionaires. joining me, cnn global economic
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analyst, also "time" magazine's assistant editor and author of "makers and takers: rise of finance and the fall of american business." thanks so much for joining me. wilbur ross, probably both a maker and taker. >> there's a debate over that. >> tell me about him. the king of bankruptcy. how did he make his fortune? >> distressed deals. buys up companies having trouble and rehabilitation them in some cases but does it by cutting jobs, pensions, benefits. big on cost cutting. some in the rust belt, old-line towns where he's bought up textile factries steel and coal plants saying he's saving jobs. others say, no. actually getting rich off the back of employees he's laying often. >> and sort of bought the american steel industry. a big chunk of it. >> absolutely. coal as well, and had problems in the coal industry, which are very much going to be a part of confirmation hearings. coal plant he bought in the 1990s. an explosion after he bought it,
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12 people killed. safety issues. these issues will come up. >> he's got very well-defined views on very big economic issues. taxes, for instance? >> for sure. he is very much a trickle down guy. he believes if you cut corporate tax rates, give corporations incentives to brick bang cash overseas at low rates that will boost investments, jump-start growth in america. i take issue. most of the past went into enriching the top 20% of populations, not more broadly. the jury is out on the tax issue. >> issue of trade, you would think big businessmen, often big trade jers not so much. >> not so much. i sympathize with his views. he feels many investors, u.s. is getting a raw deal in the marketplace, china, brazil, russia, don't play by the rooms and we should get tougher. wants a cost analysis of every
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new trade deal, a five-year opt-out clause if not work and get tough on other countries about enforcement which is trick a tricky in a global environment. >> hard to know where donald trump is on a lot of issues. if so far as we know his issues seems really in-line with wilbur ross? >> for sure. fascinating, and the whole presidential debate fascinating, that the far right and the far left, a lot of people are getting tougher on trade. feel trade deals have not been great for the average american and people want a change. enforcing that will be tough. >> the commerce department. >> yes. >> you know, maybe not the sexiest of cabinet positions. >> oh, come on, john. >> maybe not the best known. why is it important? >> for starters, commerce enforces trade deals, and protects american intellectual property. that's software, our ideas, a major reason the u.s. is
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competitive in the global marketplace and china, in particular, accused by a lot of business people of i.p. theft. of stealing software. that's going to be a much bigger issues in the next few years. >> a political appointment in the past, all political, john evans, george w. bush's campaign chair, first commerce secretary. and billionaire, not unlike wilbur ross, for president obama. depends on the person what kind of influence. seems wig bere ross will play a big role? >> i think so. interesting, a friend of carl icahn. clearly somebody advising trump. a little group here developing. >> and named before the treasury secretary for keeping score at home. i don't know if that means a priority is -- commerce before treasury? we shall see. great to have you with us. >> thank you. coming up, expecting two announcements today about the president-elect's administration and learning more about just who he's meeting with in the next few days.
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break, news in the trump transition team. president-elect donald trump is expected to make two staff-level announcement today and hit the ground running monday way full day of meetings. eight of them with cabinet and perhaps without staffers as well. joining me, a former trump campaign adviser and a commentator, former south carolina house member and political commentator and host
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of a show and democratic congressional candidate. i didn't know that was part of your resume. >> got it all. >> steve, start with you, because you're a trump insider and a lot of trump insiders are saying a lot of things about mitt romney now. i want to give you a chance. what do you think about the possibility of mitt romney being nominated as secretary of state? >> well, i think it's highly unlikely and largely for the reasons so many trump supporters are voicing. i would also say this -- caution fellow trump supporters we have to believe in our man. have to believe in our candidate, and if he does determine that mitt romney's going to serve america best at secretary of state, then i'll give him all of my confidence and ask him humbly to do the same. again i don't think that's going to happen but i'm proud of both of them. both mr. romney and the president-elect, they were able to so patriotism and smirk much bigger and more important than political disagreements and personal animosity. i'm proud of the fact they met and discussed substantive issues
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that affect our country. i believe romney will be an adviser from the outside, is my guess. >> and stop, stop with the public shaming of the process. you know, saying that, you know, mitt romney really does have the loyalty to be named. is that what you're saying? >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying i would encourage trump partisans to make sure we have confidence and faith in the president-elect that he'll make the correct decision. i suspect the decision will be somebody other than romney, but if he happens to pick romney we gave him our support and our votes, we have to also give lhi our confidence he'll establish the right team, and loyalty ifs, and some outsiders, like nikki haley. costly in her criticism during the campaign. it shows leadership reaching out to people who were your adversaries. >> your answers so diplomatic, perhaps you should be in the
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running to be secretary of state right now. ben ferguson, the "washington post" is reporting that the president-elect donald trump has only had two of the classified daily intelligence briefings he's privy to. basically said, no, to others. mike pence has gone every day but not the president-elect. is that a good idea? >> i think it's okay at this point, because there's been so many people criticizing him for the last week, ten days, for not having his government set up, cabinet positions named, even though he's still far ahead now of where barack obama was when he was elected. i think what donald trump understands is, look, i've got to interview and find the best people i can even if it means someone like mitt romney to set up the government. once that is done i will have plenty of time to be brought up to speed before being sworn in january 20th. we valuate of time before he is actually sworn in and setting up the government is important, because he needs those players in place so if there's an issue
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that comes up with national security, they're prepared and well ready to defend this country scome january 20 ptth. i think it's a smart decision. >> and time to partake in these? >> of course. getting information you wouldn't be making decisions on today or the next day. you prioritize. >> let me say this, donald trump doesn't have a lot of national security experience. just doesn't. a lot of ideas he ran under in the campaign. >> but it's been less than two weeks since elected. so many criticized him, saying, oh, a debacle, hasn't named a cabinet, so behind the ball game. he's not behind the ball game. i don't think -- a lot of people do. be clear. a lot of coverage of donald trump in the negative light. i think he's doing the smart thing. >> you want to jump in? bakari? >> i think the fact donald trump
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can't get security briefings and choose a cabinet is patentee about zu patently about zus lly absurd. this means he's fundamentally incompetent and i give him more credit than that. donald trump has been on pace, in fact, rolled out more cabinet members than barack obama at this time. nobody's questioning that. we are questioning the qualifications there, of and whether some of these people will actually contribute to the swamp infed is of drain the swamp. fair criticisms but a dereliction of duty and to say he can catch up on it, we're talking about someone who had less foreign policy experience than barack obama, less foreign policy experience in recent history. i think that -- >> that's debatable. bakari -- >> does he want to be president or not? >> ben, quickly. >> be clear, so extreme to say, does he want to be president or
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not? of course he wants to and he is the president. let's also remember, had you no problem with barack obama missing a massive amount of votes, having the worst voting record in the senate when he was running for president. >> we're not talking about votes. >> my point, sometimes you -- >> we're not talking about votes. >> sometimes you focus on one thing. >> move from the distant past, senator kbb bbbarack obama's vo record to the recent -- >> i know. >> hypocrisy. >> the recent past. hang on. the election that happened two weeks ago or if you're jill stein, may not actually be over. crystal ball. jill stein raising money, like $7 million at this point right now? because she wants a recount. in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania? you're a democrat. you're an activist. i'm sure you didn't like the results of the election, but do you think think is a valuable use of time right now? >> i think the sooner that democrats start figuring out how to do two things which is how to oppose donald trump, work with him when appropriate, but also to be able to oppose him
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appropriately when he's in office, and also do a lot of soul searching as a party figuring how we start winning again. i'm not talking about presidential election. i'm talking about down ballot. winning back the house, the senate. the sooner we focus on those things the better off we'll be. is this harmful? no. look, there's a process in place. you can go and do the addis aw have full confidence in the results. donald trump won, won by the rules as they exist. wishful thinking isn't helping anything at this point. >> painful for a lot of democrats watching this and see it. see jill stein doing this. >> a little hope there. yeah, when, you know, ultimately the result is what the result and we need to wrap our heads around that. >> steve? trying to jump in? >> yes. regarding an effort for a recount. we want every vote counted accura accurately. but this is by a lot of people on the left, donald trump, my
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candidate, assailed he would not prepromise to automatically accept election results and now you see the left doing exactly what they suspected -- that donald trump would do. >> wait. not your candidate. >> i said the left. i didn't say clinton. >> comparing apples and oranges. talking about donald trump saying he'll accept the results, if he wins. meanwhile, yes, you have people on the left who want to make sure every vote is counted. fair enough. have you heard a word from hillary clinton? no, you have not. heard a word from barack obama on this. no, you have not. >> i did not say clinton. i said the left. >> guys, one at a time. one at a time. >> a great xpacomparison. >> john, if i may, i think that democrats would be better served instead of giving money to jill stein who i'm amazed she's worried what 1,000 votes here or there may matter now after the election. she wasn't that concerned before the election. democrats would be better suited more focusing in efforts and money at the united states senate race in louisiana. just to hit on this hypocrisy
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notion one moment. i know that there are a lot of people, you haven't heard a word from hillary clinton or her camp, a lot of people attacking hillary or the left of her supporters for pushing this and not given credence to the election. many swallowed that bitter pill including myself, but i don't see republicans actually chastising their own governor here in north carolina, pat mccrory, literally trying to steal an election after he lost it. pat inin -- pat mccrory, go outo pasture. not doing that. that is hypocrisy. they have a new governor in north carolina, rory cooper. pat mccrory needs to let go of old dreams. >> thanks for being with us. hope you all had a happy thanksgiving and wish you all happy leftovers in the coming hours. >> same to you. coming up, a mother vanishing while out jogging. three weeks later on thanksgiving day she's found alive, bound on the side of the road. this is a really strange story, and there are a lot of questions about it. that's next.
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generosity is its oyou can handle being a mom for half an hour. i'm in all the way. is that understood? i don't know what she's up to, but it's not good. can't the world be my noodles and butter? get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don't start a war you know you're going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. the california mother missing three weeks after she
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went out for a jog has been found. sherri papini flagged down a car yesterday morning in yolo county, california, 140 mimes from where last seen pap police search turned up an iphone, a pair of earbuds and strands of hair after disappearing. covering the story from los angeles, cnn's paul vercammen and attorney danny savalas. police say she was in restraints when found. what more can you tell us about this? >> they're not giving tremendous details about the restraints she is the one who flagged down motorists, eventually got her in touch with authorities and at one point got on the cell phone with her husband and communicated with him. >> we learned she was released by her captor on a rural road near i-5 in yolo county. she was bound with restraints.
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she was able to summon from a passing -- help from a passing motorist. we're looking for a dark colored suv with two hispanic females armed with a handgun. >> and just a little bit more about her disappearance, her husband alarmed when she had gone out jogging and she didn't return and go ahead and pick up her children at the day care. then he went looking for her. it was actually the husband who used that app, find my iphone, who found her iphone, those ear buds and the hair hangaled in there. john? >> paul vercammen in los angeles. quite a story. danny, bring you into this. you know, this is not how these stories generally end. correct? the great news is, she's alive. now it shifts from a missing person's case to a potential kidnapping. what do you think police are doing right now? >> not just any kidnapping case, john.
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statistically, like a white antelope. very rare. as it is, ransom kidnappings, very rare in the united states. most of the time kidnappings involve parents taking children away from other parents. there was a spike in arizona in the last few years of ransom kidnappings, almost all related to the drug trade. this pure just snatched off the road adult case is comparatively rare and add to it the perpetrators may have been females. females constitute about 5% of violent predators in the united states with a weapon. the fact now, this is a very, very rare case. >> and papini herself. how do police handle questioning her? >> like anybody else. ask letter to tell her story in as much detail as she possibly can, at this point. if she's available to.
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now, from what we understand, they already alibied the husband. he took a lie detector. now, a lie detector can go either way, but more important is the alibi. can they corroborate where he was as the time. it appears they've been able to do so. there will be a lot of questions for this victim, and if she spent 21 days with abductors, we can expect she must have more information about them we just don't know yet. >> and have to believe, a huge amount of forensics, and if she's bound, the materials there, anything at the scene where she was left. that's got to be a big part and making sure it all matches with what she says. >> again, if she spent that much time with abductors, pull in any type of suspects, she should be able to identify. again, this kind of "thelma and blew wease
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louise," it's so rare, it may be without precedent in that area. >> anything about the way that police were handling this investigation up until this morning, or yesterday? anything stick out or was it pretty much by the book? >> seems like it was by the book. they went directly, looked at the husband. they checked out his alibi. he weringly took a lie detector test, most attorneys advise their clients, do not do. only bad things can happen. you can reasonably infer he felt so confidence he said, i'll take a lie detector test. >> they say he was not or never was a person of interest. you have no idea that will change? >> not at this point. once al by allibied as work. cleared. >> have a happy thanksgiving leftover afternoon. >> you too, john. thank you so much for joining us at this hour or at these hours. as the case may be today. brianna keilar is in for wolf right after a quick break.
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