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this is gps, i am fareed zakaria. we'll begin the show with the national security adviseadviser ambassador susan rice on the fight against isis and on the new cold war with russia and on the next administration. what are the biggest challenges facing donald trump? >> the wait of united states leadership, of the responsibilities of office are
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quite serious. global warming, trump has said it was a hoax and now he maybe changing his mind. most signs are saying it is very real. this businessman says he's opening his checkbook to stop any plan to roll back on climate change. >> also, all work and no play, that's no good. steven johnson will tell us how important it is to have a little fun in our lives. >> but, first, here is my take. so donald trump now says in an interview with the new york times that he believes there is some connection to human activity and climate change and hillary clinton should not be prosecuted and after one conversation with james mathis,
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you wonder why he did not have that conversation during the campaign or he pounded on the view of this for a year and a half. at this point, it does not matter. trump is president-elect trump. we should all hope that he flip-flops some more. in this spir, let me outline a stories that we hope to see the next few weeks. donald trump wants to keep iran deal. the agreement of iran blocked the country's pathway to a nuclear weapon. furthermore, no other country would reimpost american secti sanctions. we have been bombing the hell out of isis, says trump. the president-elect trump describes his phone conversation with president obama in which he learned that the united states has conducted more than 16,000 air strikes of isis, that's a
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lot. in syria, the obama administration had been focused on defeating isis and not on their president assad. they have been doing what i suggested all along. trump care will be an improvement than obamacare. it will enroll people with proassisting conditions. in return, the company will gain millions of customers since people are facing a mandate to buy insurance or facing a $10,000 fine. i figured out like with houses or cars, insurance cannot work unless we are all in. the president-elect trump explained. donald trump announces sales of the trump organization, the president-elect trump says he's decided that people deserve a full-time president without a hint of conflict of interest. he decided to sell all of his company and put the proceed in a
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multi billionaire charity trust and ask his children to run it. if they want to get back to business, i will give them a few million dollars loan to get started. just like my father gave me. okay, the last one is a total fantasy. on the others, i don't know if they'll happen but if they do, great. >> i don't want trump to fail. it is much better for the country if trump is doing well in the white house, recognizing the situation is what it is and hoping for the best. when trump does do things i disagree with, i will protest. for example, his refusal to properly separate himself from his businesses is truly unconsciousable and it makes this country looks like a banana republic. trump has a unique opportunity. a vast members of americans are
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deeply distrust full. they resent the country's engagement with the world which they see harming the average americans. these people have put their faith in donald trump. if trump can help them make them understand some of the reality oss of the world and the constraint of the government. if donald trump tells his followers that the climate change are worth preserving, they may actually listen. for more, go to sla/far and read my column. lets get started. ♪ >> earlier this week, i traveled to dc to interview president obama's national security adviser, susan rice. there are just 55 days until the next president is inaugurated in
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the meantime, there is plenty to keep them busy including the transition. listen in. ambassador rice, it is a pleasure to have you on. >> it is good to be back. >> where do we stand in the battle of isis? >> how much in our view of mosul falls and iraq falls? >> the iraqis security forces inside of iraq have taken back about 55% of the populated territory that isil originally sees back in 2014. they have now with our support and that of our 68 country coalitions in circled mosul and they beginning to move. this is a difficult fight. isil has been entrenched there for several years and they built up a significant defenses. we cannot expect that to be quick and easy. i believe that in no time that'll succeed and we are
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working to support the iraqis circuit court forces to do that. in syria, the aim is to begin the process of isolateding and seizing them. we are supporting that again with our coalition partners. this is a complicated endeavor because the force that's best capable of conducting the isolation consists of not only syrian arabs but syrians. raqqa will be taken by syrian arabs. doing these two things simultaneously and raqqa -- >> is russia fighting isis and
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fighting islamic terrorists in syria? >> only on the margins. it is the case they have taken some strikes against isil and taken some strikes where they claim to be al-qaida. their business is quite clear. most of which are modern opposition and not extremist opposition. they claimed to have shared interest as we do in defeating isil. i think they do have that interest as a secondary interest because their proximity to syria and the risk that others have come to fight inside syria have come back to russian territory. if you look at how they devoted their efforts and sources, it is been predominantly going back opposition and to a lesser extent to deal with isil. >> you have been in on almost all of president obama's
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meetings and putin, the three of you and with a translator. what is it that you think that vladimir putin wants? >> what are his goals for russia? >> well, i think putin's primary goal is to see russia ascend as a global power. and russian pride in nationalism to be restored. putin is former kgb, he's lamented of the fall of soviet union when economically and politically much weaker. he views his mandate and purpose to reassure russian glory and to do so with the expense of international norms when it serves its purpose. >> what would happen if the united states would slap 45% tariffs with china. >> fareed, first of all, lets
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deal with the 45% tariff suggestion. chinese have made it very clear including in u.s. bilateral discussions and president obama's meeting with president chi the other day, they don't see a trade for the united states. they seek to use their term win-win cooperation and the economic fears and security fears even we have to deal with the differences between us. president chi is clear that china has its own interest and if there were an action directed against china and its interest, there would be an equal reaction. so this could very well be the beginning of a significant trade war if that were in fact pursued. it could have a serious ramification for the global economy. >> what happens if the president were to decide he wanted to tear
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up nafta and ren-negotiatre-neg? >> fareed, i don't want to go to these what i have the responsibilities of office are quite serious. i think we need to allow president-elect trump time to put his team together and formulate his policies and see what those policies prove to be. >> we'll be back in a second and much more with national security adviser susan rice. introducing otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, with reduced redness, thickness,
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back more with my interview with susan rice, president obama's security adviser. we med in the eisenhower's executive building on the white house ground.
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>> the reports that we are getting that president-elect trump had been calling foreign leaders or receiving calls without the state department being involved in translation or having government officials on the line to take notes or be able to brief him before/after, is that true? >> i am not in the middle of these phone calls fareed, i cannot verify that. i have seen the same reports you have. if it were the case, it would not be the typical approach. >> has president obama ever talked to a foreign leader without having a note taker on the call. >> i don't know ever, our practice in the white house is that these are calls that prepared well in advance and the president is well briefed and the calls are transcribed and there is a record. >> let me ask you one that's really important which is could the united states withdraw from the iran deal?
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what would it looked like if the united states wanted to ter up the iran deal. >> first of all, lets remember what we accomplished with the iran deal. the deal has been in place for now and almost a year and a half and iran has abided by its obligation consistently under the iran deal and removes 98% of its enriched uranium and all of its central fuses. it puts concrete in the plutonium reactor. we have the most comprehensive regime instituted against a nuclear program. all of iran's pathway to a potential nuclear weapon has been cut-off and so this deal is working for the american people and for the people of the region and our allies and partners who are most threatened by iran's
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nuclear's program. so disscrap it when it is working would put us outside the bounds of what is an international agreement. it would be breaking our faith, not iran breaking its faith but the united states breaking its faith but not just with iran but with the european union and germany and france and china and russia and the united nation security counsels which endorsed this deal so we'll be isolated. the amatebility for us to influ iran there after would be gone. they can resume their program unabated. if they do that, we are left with few options but to play the use of force to create an outcome that we had accomplished peacefully through the nuclear deal. we'll find ourselves without the sanctions regime that put the
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sufficient pressure on iran that we were able to achieve the deals. it is a win-win for iran. we are isolated and our partners are furious of the united states. it does not serve our interest. when people contemplate the realities, it is not rhetoric anymore. it is responsibilities of those who are governing examining the alternatives a alternatives. >> susan rice, pressure to have you. >> next on gps, a billionaire says he will spend as much to battle back, if donald trump decides to dismantle the progress that's made on climate change. >> tom stein will be with me when we come back.
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donald trump claimed in a tweet that climate change was a hoax perpetrated by the chinese. he also said he will cancel the paris agreement.
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>> trump changed a little bit admitting some connectivity between humans and climate change and he will take a look at the agreement. he still has a denial. his words had climate change activists concerned. >> my next guest says he will counter trump with some of his billions if he tried to roll back. he now spends hundreds of millions of climate change activism. he will spend whatever it takes to fight trump on climate change. well t welcome, tom. >> thank you for having me. >> tell me what you are most worried about among many things that donald trump has said? >> well, i think that if you move away from progressive energy policies and clean energy, you are put in the safe
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ci ty of americans at risk and prosperity and you are putting american leadership in the world at risk. >> now, donald trump does say he's going to reverse a lot of these executive actions that obama has taken whether it is on plans or emissions. what can you do? he's president and he will have that power. >> the strongest power of the american people is the will of the american people. if the american people understand what's going on and the consequences of what's going on, they'll realize that their future is at stake, that's the conversation we intend to try into engage in. >> how? presumably you are creating a national protest movement. >> actually during 2016, we engaged as much field work and
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voter to contact as we could. we believe that we need americans to speak to each other on issues of the day and that's what we did then. we were over 370 campuses and we knocked with our partners on more than 10 million doors and registered more than a million people. we'll continue the kind of grass roots field work and citizens to citizens conversations that we did in 2016. >> are you dishearten and you spent some say 69 or $70 million of the outcome of the presidency and the senate and the house of representatives is not what you hoped for. >> we were surprised and disappointed. we had an incredibly great day in my home state of california on november 8th. the fact the matter is where we were and the conversations we had and the arguments that we engaged in all worked out really
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well both at home and california around the country. as far as we are concerned, standing up and fighting for traditional american values, the dignity of americans and safety of americans is something that we'll never back away from. we have no intention of doing that now because there is setbacks. >> what is the greatest accomplishment in the obama years on climate change and energy policies more generally, what do you look at as the signature achievement. >> i don't think there is any suggestions, the paris agreement is the signature agreement when it comes to the obama administration. that was something that really started in bilateral agreements with the chinese and indians. it is something where there is no question that president obama is the person who's the leader of the world. it is the agreement that the most country and history have ever signed onto. it was something where his moral
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intellectual and economic leadership were paramount. it says something where the united states stand in the world and where we choose to stand and where we traditionally stood. it is something he should be very, very proud of. >> do you believe that there are a real clean energy industry that has the kind of jobs that can rival the old ones that are presumably going to be more dangerous. are there enough jobs in solar appeal to americans? >> fareed, if you look at the numbers, it is very important to recognize that people working in the old fossil fuel industries took those jobs as good paying decent jobs for americans to support their families. as americans it is really important that we understand there was nothing wrong in what they did. they need to be supported. we also have to face facts. there are fewer than 75,000 coal miners of the united states of america, the whole united states
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of america. just in my home state of california, there is probably 550,000 people working in clean energy, most of those people are working in advance electricity and generation, that's solar or wind or go term mahermal and a them are working in commercial building and more efficient. we have ten times of the people working in clean energy as they are coal miners in the entire state of america. clean energy is something that creates a lot more jobs. there is a myth out there that this has not happened and this is not true. the fact the matter is the cost of clean energy either will be or already is cheaper than fossil fuels in most of the united states. there is a myth that some how we are going to be more prosperous if we just go backward.
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when is the last time we get more prosperous and turning away from the innovation and entrepreneur ship and the skills of american business. i don't think that makes any sense. people refused to look at the facts in their face. >> can donald trump withdraw by the paris climate change agreement? >> well, he says he's going to try. and you know i think that would be a tragic mistake. that means who they are not including and that's the united states of america. for us to take our leadership of the world and throw it out of the window, that's a mistake. just to walk away from that for some short term political gain is something that i find -- you
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know, shockingly misguided. >> tom steyer, a pleasure to have you on. >> fareed, thank you very much for having me. >> next on gps, the show so far has been fascinating and serious. now, it is time for some serious fun. a look at why play and pleasure are the building blocks of the modern world. the best selling author stephen johnson when we come backseat. come back.
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how did the desire have a cup of coffee lead the way to enlightment. just the beginning of the hybrid world that we would all live in 20 years from now. his new book, "wonder land." stephen johnson argues that our desire to have fun has changed the trajectory of history. how? well, listen in. >> it is a pleasure to have you on. >> it is great to be back. the argument of this book is
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seems to be fun is incredibly productive and innovative and changes the world. >> yeah, we have this tendency when we think about what are the forces that are driving history. assuming those forces are designed for conquests and power and for survivors. that's part of the story. it turns out really a surprising amount of change in society but technological innovation and political change, social change comes out of this other side of our humanity which is the desire to be delighted or amused or to be in this kind of playful state and many thinks it starts as toys and games end up triggering all these changes that you would never anticipate in the start. >> some of these are things like wanting to have a cup of coffee, explain how that translates into something much bigger. >> if coffee comes to the
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european capitol and quickly to london around 1650s and right around the same time and this is an important partially, just because it changed the diets of europeans who have been drinking alcohol all day long and it would drink beer or breakfast all through the day. >> the reason was water was undrinkable because it was pois pois poisonous. >> it is a healthy choice. you have to do something to kill the germs and water. >> they used to do it by brewing or fermentation. >> you boil with these leaves. >> suddenly, you have the population shifts and in its own right was interesting. what also happens was this new kind of space developed, this sum my public space of the coffee house and london is crazy with kocoffee houses. by the end of 1600, hundreds of
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these coffee houses and charles the second tried to ban them saying people were so distracted hanging around these coffee houses that they were not paying attention to their affairs and calling. >> banning coffee houses and that decree lasted one week because everybody was like, wait, no, you cannot take our coffee away from us. he was wrong, those spaces while they seem like people were wasting time, they ended up really being kind of the seat of the enlightment. it really happened in england in the coffee house. it is where the magazine business comes out of and insurance business and public museums in these coffee houses would show curiosity. a huge part of that culture came out of this open ended kind of playful space hanging out with people and chatting in an
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unstructure way. >> there is a long history of political insurrection and taverns. you cannot not tell about the story of the revolution without telling the role of the tavern on that political rebellion. the american revolution would probably happen anyway, it would require in a different information of a social gather had taverns and pubs had not been invented. >> what about the game of chest? >> the whole history of chest as a metaphor for society. there is a book published. the first book ever published besides the bible in establish and it was a huge best seller. it is a kind of book where we cannot imagine. it is one of those like a game guide like how to get better at chest.
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it was a sociological on how people treating each other between the kings and the queens and the commoners. it built this society where image and politics where everyone is part of the royals and you have to listen to the king, people have independent, kind of contractual relationships with each other. the chest board became this metaphor of that transition to medieval society to early renaissance. it helps us kind of think through that problem. >> you point out europeans at some point gets fascinated in 16/17th century by spices. what's the consequences of that? >> it is aeceven older story ann a way, relevant to the framework of this show and where we are today. the whole idea of a global
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economy where goods produced in one country might be traffic to another country and consumed so where in the other side world begins with spices. we are still living in the kind of revert brags of that. the first integrated spice network of the muslim spice traders. all the places in the world where islamic culture tried to bring islam by force. those efforts ultimately failed where islamic cultures took roots where spice traders did business. >> so the map and malaysia -- >> right, all the way to africa. >> the map today, islam is the map where spice traders did
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their business years ago. >> peppers became huge in the 1300. there is nothing nutritionally valuable of the spice. it is the interest and the flavor and the taste and the spice of life. that sucks this emotions and still shaping the way we live today 2,000 or 3,000 years later. >> one of the lessons i am taking from your book is donald trump is a tea talker and he should not try to ban starbucks, it may cause a social revolution. >> really, what do you look at the world today, what other kinds of amusements that are telling us of the future of our economy. >> that's the argument of the book, looking for what people doing for fun now is oddly a way to predict the future. if you look back in the 1800s
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and 1700s, there were mechanical dolls, programmable machines where it is created where you have this advance form of engineering with codes controlling the behavior. if you look at that, at the time, it seems like a toy, an [ music playing ] ment --amusement for the elites. the digital revolution and everything there was embedded in these toys. today, we just lived through something this summer with pokemon go. we'll find ourselves in ten or 20 years walking around with some kind of device that gives us august meant us augmented reality. and who you are talking to and giving you that information that you are passing. pokemon go was the first time where we saw a mass adoption of
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this form where you are standing the screen of the world but it is super imposed and there is an imaginary creature. >> and you are living in the virtual hybrid world. >> half way between the virtual and the real. we look back and it all started these kids capturing these monostormon monomi monsters but it turned into something serious. >> i will have you back. >> 20 years. >> thank you for much. >> yes, as the author of an acclaimed new book and it starts with understanding the building blocks of human life. genes. fascinating science when we come back.
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my next guest is a doctor and writer whose last book is a
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huge under taking. the book went on winning the pulitzer's prize. >> this author takes on the genes. >> it is a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. >> in this book, what you say in this area of biology and other area of science, the big news is that we finally gotten down to the fundamental unit of analysis, explain what you mean. >> well, the genes, it is the same way that the atom formatter or the bit or the biyte is for computing. the idea that the wait that we are understanding the depth and the clarity which we understand genes today and its influence in our lives, it is enormous just
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like -- and change the way of physics and the understand of digitalizing information, changed the world of computing. >> what you are saying is that when you are able to go down to the essential element of matter in physics, the atoms, you were able to figure out how to manipulate it and how to read information. when you are able to get down to the fundamental unit of information, the bigger the bite, you are able to move it around. each of them produce an explosion of knowledge and applications. it is the same thing. >> that's happening right now. we are learning to read and write genes. the language of genes in a way that we had not 10 or 15 years ago. now, we can begin to first of all, you can decode and sequence them and i call it reading. and you can also change it. you can manipulate it and by manipulating a gene, you are
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manipulating an organism. by manipulating genes, you can manipulate organism. >> we hear about this dazzling sequences of the genes. how it costs the government $3 billion or $4 billion and now it can be done by $2,000 c. it has not seen to change our life. that produce nuclear fusion and bombs. when we look at the world of medicine, has it changed that much? >> okay, absolutely. if you look at the history of quantum physics. there's about 50 years between the decoding of that aspect of matter and atomic energy and atomic bomb. so we are in the beginning of this evolution. well, we can now beginning to
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read individual human genes and make decisions about what individual disease maybe in the future. we maybe able to use some of that information to prevent disease in the future. cancer, the sequencing of cancer genes, figuring out what mutation is beginning to direct therapy. so rather than saying oh, you know, you have leukemia or breast cancer, we'll throw the standard therapy at your disease, we are now beginning the figuring out what mutation there are and try to match that mutation with the particular medicine. it is a revolution. it is not all there yet. we are moving in that direction. it is already there. >> what about the ethical issues involved here. part of what you are describing is a world in which would be possible to edit and select for example for children who are
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male, tall, blond and with high iqs. is there a danger that someone could say that i want to create a master race. >> let's get a sense of what that lineage looks like. male verses female. we can now figure out. the other thing is you talked about height and iq etcetera, it is much more complicated. and they're influenced by jeage. it is not just genes, it is genes plus environments determining many of these issues. that's number one. >> so it is unlikely in the immediate run that we'll be doing this. >> hair colors are simple. >> exactly. there are simpler versions of our complex features and therefore, the ethical question of what happens next. this is why it is urgent for all of us to have the vocabulary. you have to learn about genes and you have to learn about
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their language and i have to learn about what we diskofcover so we can understand what we do next. if we don't understand in, we continue be able to be apart of this discussion. >> thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> next, interesting how the pounds have collapsed in the break of brexit. there is an idea floating around to put them all on the temps. may , maybe as long as six years, i will explain when we come back. with the right steps,
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this week merkel announced she will run for first term as germany's leader. they have no law of limiting how many terms a chancellor can serve. that brings me to my question of the week, who has been the longest serving chancellor of germany since the end of world war ii. stay tuned and we'll tell you the answer. this week's book of the week is "who are we" by sam huntington.
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he was a distinguish stocholar d my academic adviser. >> more broadly, he -- a controversial and fascinating book that would force you to think. the last look. the houses of parliament always looked stunning on the bank of the river. they are falling apart. a renovation can cost millions of dollars. >> members recommended that the building will be vacated for six years which is how long it will take to complete the work. where will the parliaments be meeting in the meantime? there are proposals that there are a little less traditionally british. take a look at these by the
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architecture firm, gensler. parliament will be held not next to the tents but on it. architects say this floating texture will minimize government disruption by keeping it in the same place. the british parliament told us however, they foresee, access and security challenges with a floating option. the last time parliament was rebuilt after it was bombed by the nazi, churchill created to keep it smaller and creating the back room for debates. who knows what inspirations politicians may get if they govern on the float. the answer for our challenge question was c. how much coal? >> it was transferred from 1972 to 1988. he sold it for 16 years.
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the current chancellor is serving her 11 years. thanks for all of you for being apart of my program this week, i will see you next week. it is time for reliable sources. how the news gets made and a special welcome o our viewers here in the u.s. and all around the world on cnn international. this hour, hateful groups by donald trump and online opinions and moving offline is seen here. what is the proper way for the press to cover this. i will talk about it with three experts. did you hear about the new website of a 10 x spike of donations this month. they are crediting trump and asking what they are doing with their money. and talking about the future of the news wire. first, lets pause, seriously.