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we have started saying this is good. put in your restaurant. >> taste of inland brazil. top of the hour now. i'm pamela brown in for poppy harlow. new tonight, donald trump now claiming millions of people voted illegally in the election. the election that he just won. the claim is part of a series of tweets the president-elect has fired off over the effort to recount votes in some states. trump writing in addition to the winning the electoral college in land slide. i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. it would have been much easier for me to win the popular vote and that i would only campaign in three or four states instead of the 15 states that i visited. i would have won even more
easily and convincingly but smaller states are forgotten. these tweets were sent before he boarded his plane. there's no evidence to support the president-elect's claim. he's a professor at morehouse college. you support jill stein. you supported her. she is leading this effort to recount votes in three states. by claiming millions of people voted illegally, did trump help make her case for a recount? >> of course. donald trump said this was not a free and fair election. he said people did not play by the rules and illegal votes were cast. we said we don't have to count them because they were voting for my opponent. it didn't hurt me.
it doesn't make a lot of sense. you can't say the votes were illegal and say the election was free and fair. let's sift out the bad ones and out who the real victor is. >> ben, on that note. how does trump's team argue against this recount when trump is claiming not hundreds, now thousands but millions of people voted illegally. >> he should probably go into his twitter account and hit the delete tweet button. that would help things a lot. i don't think he's going to do that. he was fighting back. he shouldn't have used those words. there's nothing to describe or insin insinuate there was a million plus people. what's going to happen on january 20th. i don't know why he would tweet this out. mark understands it and agrees with me on this. there's nothing that will come
out of this. it's meaningless. it's just waste of time. it's waste of resources. it's waste of money. i think the green party, part of the reason why they did this is to get some relevancy after they had a really bad election and maybe bring more people into their party. you can even say they borrowed a line from donald trump. they pull add publicity stunt and it worked. >> it didn't go well. the bigger question is not whether or not we ultimately have a different president, although we could. i think the odds are against it. the question is did every vote count. >> let's not go there. >> hold on, ben. let me ask you there, with no evidence of hacking, does this
set a dangerous precedent. after every election should there be a recount like this now with this movement? >> the problem with the question is that it presumes that this is the first time. it's not a precedent. elections have been recounted many times. this isn't the first time a state has asked for a recount. again, let's say that it turns out that of the three states can go contested, one of them turns and drumonald trump is still president. if you're in wisconsin, don't you want to know you didn't vote for donald trump. that matters to future elections, it matters for funding and campaigning. i don't want to live in state that voted for donald trump. >> are you going to move every time you don't get your way? that would be exhausting if that's how you decided where you're going to live based on where the election went last time. i lived in america proudly for eight years and my guy didn't win. barack obama was the president. here is what i'll say. you guys keep going and fighting
over recounts. keep giving lawyers a ton of money, millions of dollars for all this legal stuff while they get rich and as you would say, the poor get poorer when they send in chair checks to fight this. we're going to get ready to run the united states of america. that's what donald trump will be focused on. >> i want to move onto something else because there's a lot to discuss. that is one issue being discussed. the other one is the intigfight over the possibility of mitt romney for secretary of state. what do you think, ben? do you think that donald trump is seriously considering mitt romney or could this be him wanting to make an adversary grovel before saying no. >> only donald trump can answer that. his intentions he's met with have been very authentic. putting nikki haley in a position after she was very critical of him is of the proof.
if you're qualified, i want to interview you. if you are somebody that's a top person, even if you're critical of me, i'm going to work with you. the same reason why he put reince priebus as the chief of staff and made sure paul ryan would still be the speaker. he let it go and moved on. i think there's one issue here. the republicans that support him early on, the people that stood in line for five hours to go to his rally or six hours, they said drain the swamp. mitt romney is not draining the swamp. they do not feel that he is a hard core conservative. he is part of the establishment. he's a rhino republican in name only and they don't want him anywhere close to a trump white house for that specific reason. i think they have a very legitimate argument that they are making over it. >> do you agree, mark? >> i think mitt romney is not a dyed in the wool right wing extremist. there's some irony in donald
trump suggesting that someone is not republican enough when donald trump is all over the ideological map. we'll be hard pressed to say he's rein. mitt romney didn't just not fall in line with donald trump. he wasn't just critical, he said he was a fraud. he said he was a sham. he said he wasn't a legitimate candidate and below the dignity of the office of president and he would be a disaster on the international stage. for mitt romney to step in and decide he would want to be secretary of state is a bizarre choice. >> it seems self-serving. >> let me ask you this ben. i want to get your reaction to kellyanne conway coming out and speaking out against mitt romney as a potential secretary of state. what do you make of that. anna navarro suggested that perhaps trump might be orchestrating this. what is your take? >> i'm pretty sure she said she
voted for hillary clinton. i'll say what she's saying about donald trump with a massive grain of salt with all due respect. i think what you're seeing here from conway is she has a very close ear to the people and the constituents and those that came out for donald trump. she does not want to let them down. she understands if you do put mitt romney in there, it may not out weigh the negative is people feel like you took advantage of them and you didn't do what you said you were going to do. mitt romney's biggest speech that he's given the last four years was a 40-minute diatribe of why donald trump sucks. why would you give that guy this job? the second biggest speech he's given in the last four years was his concession speech to barack obama. this is somebody that i just don't think you need in this administration. i think there's other people as qualified as him and i hope donald trump will look around a little bit. >> all right. we have lots of meetings
tomorrow. now let's focus on this secretary of state position. we were just talking about it. a top trump advisor continues very public crusade against mitt romney. take a listen. >> other candidates being considered apart from the one being covered commonly. apart from that, governor romney in the last four years, has he been around the globe doing something on behalf of the united states of which we're unaware. i'm all for party unity but i'm not sure if we have to pay for that with the secretary of state position. let me repeat, what donald trump decides, kellyanne conway and everybody else will respect. it's just the backlash from the grassroots. i'm hearing from people who say my parents died penniless but i
gave $216 to donald trump's campaign and i would feel betrayed. >> let's talk it over with ryan williams when he served as utah's governor. he joins me by phone from bos n boston. thank you so much for joining us. the fact this is playing out in public is just bizarre. how would this battle affect romney? >> he is someone who was not fan of trump during the campaign. i think it's encouraging that trump reached out to him. he does have a desire to serve. back and forth on the cable news network. i think this would be something potentially that you would look at. >> it sounds like they have had
serious conversations about it. do you think that this public battle, the fact you have people like kellyanne conway saying there's people not wanting him to take this job, do you think it will affect his willingness to take the job? >> i don't know. i haven't spoken to him. he's probably not paying attention to it. this is decision that will be plaed made at the end of the day by one person. it's going to be up to him if he thinks governor romney is the best person to serve and whether he's comfortable having him in the administration. i think what governor romney is doing is just not saying anything. he's met privately with donald trump. he's not discussing with his closest former advisoradvisors. i think that's out of respect to the president-elect and to the process.
>> why would mitt romney want to work for man that he once called a con man, a cophony and a frau? >> the issues he raised were lituated and donald trump won. he's our president. he's going to be the leader of our country and the free world. he cares about service. he's reached out to president-elect trump to wish him well. he said publicly he looks forward to the coming administration. he wants to see the president succeed because when he succeeds, the country succeeds. if the governor thought he could, if asked, play a role in helping move the country forward, he would look at it maybe because he is so dedicated to public service and to serving the country and moving it forward if he was asked to help in that process. >> ryan, it's no secret that governor romney has a different view on certain foreign policy
issues such as russian than donald trump. if he did take on the job of secretary of state, what then? >> that's something i would assume they would talk about. i'm not involved in those discussions. while they do have some differences, they have talked about putting america first. it's encouraging to see donald trump's strong clear view on cuba. i think they are both people that want to see a strong foreign policy. they want to make sure that america is respected in the world and i think they have more in common with each other than people give them credit for. a very different approach from the weak and feckless policy. >> it didn't seem like they had a lot in common on the campaign trail.
as we see, it looks like they are trying to bridge that gap. thank you very much for that. just ahead this hour on this sunday as democrats look to regroup after a bruising election, they'll clohoose thei leadership team. while calls for a new messenger is bad news for nancy pelosi. how trump's pending lawsuits could become a major distraction at the start of his presidency. you're live in the cnn news room. who says i shouldn't have a soda every day?
cuba's capital are quite with very little activity. on the right the streets of little havana neighborhood in miami were bustling with activity saturday, as you see, as cuban americans rejoice in the death of a man they call a dangerous dictator. ed, you have a really interesting perspective here. yesterday we saw you live from little havana in miami where the crowds were celebrating. now you're in cuba. how different is the scene there. >> >> reporter: polar opposites. what you saw there on the streets of little havana. just out pouring of excitement and the chance that this day has come. arriving here in havana, a much different scene. much more subdued. it's a cautious reaction as cubans try to figure out what they can or can't do, should or shouldn't do as they prepare for
this nine days of mourning of fidel castro that begins in the plaza where his ashes will be brought and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of cubans are expected to file through that plaza. this is the plaza where popes have come to celebrate mass and other plamass events like this. >> i'm just curious. they are trying to be cautious in terms of how they respond to this. i had people on the show yesterday celebrating castro's death who insinuated this wasn't sincere mourning. people were going inside their homes and celebrating fidel castro's death. you've been speaking to people there on the streets. what have they been telling you? >> reporter: you know, it's a fair enough point. it is important to point out a lot of times when you speak with people they don't know fully if they're telling you what they are supposed to be say iing or
it's their true feelings. there's a number of people who feel a sense of sadness. even people will tell you that i don't describe myself as a socialist or a communist but they describe themselves as supporters of fidel castro. there's some students at the university of havana that gathered last night at a small vigil. when you listen to them you can tell how different it is from anything you might hear from cuban exiles on the streets of miami. >> not as a speech. i think that the main course here is that the young people in cuba, the truly revolutionary young people in cuba, they are not only revolutionary in
speech, they are revolutionary in life. >> reporter: it's important to point out that the vast majority of people who remain here have only known their lives with fidel castro playing some sort of role in it. his influence in this country has trickled down and into almost every aspect and every fiber of their lives in one way or another whether it be subtle or intensely over the top. these are people who have known no other system, no other way of life than fidel castro casting this large mythical figure in their lives. this is the first time that they are living without that. >> yeah. very important perspective in context there. thank you very much. live from havana, cuba. coming up, in 2012 after obama won re-election, a conservative movement began to gain ground. now in the wake of a sdrudonald
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showed up for democrat activist strategy meeting in los angeles to talk about how to shake up the progressive movement. we have that story. >> the cry hold is in there if you need to cry. >> reporter: the time to wlihin is over. >> i would to build an army of progressives across this country. >> reporter: trying to harness the rage of californians, a state that's seen daily, mass i ive protests. >> this is the place where republicans were in 2008. >> reporter: november 2008, republicans lost the wlohite house, senate and louse of representatives. sound familiar. back then from that loss a grassroots conservative movement was born, the tea party. >> we need that passion, that a activ activism.
we need to capture that for if left. >> reporter: people like emily. they're united in their resistance to a trump administration. california still counting its votes is overwhelmingly democratic and anti-trump. >> what do we want? >> reporter: you see it in the cal exit movement. california's outgoing senator submitting symbolically legislation that gave trump the win despite losing the popular vote. the los angeles police chief sending a message that state laws won't force the lapd to round up immigrants. the left coast, the natural setting for an opposition to washington. >> there's a shock here that how did this happen? they didn't see it in california. they're going to organize, organize hard. >> is this grass roots movement going to influence the rest of the country? >> democrats will be afraid of trump. i think they will be all hands
on deck. >> it is this different than every other thing you've seen? >> yes. it's different. there's action steps. they have awoken something in us that won't stop. >> borrowing for the republican play book, hoping for a different ending in 2020. >> straight ahead as democrats work to pick up the pieces after the election, some are calling for new party leader slip. is nancy pelosi likely to be shown the door? we'll be right back. our mission is to produce programs and online content for african women as they try to build their businesses and careers. my name is yasmin belo-osagie and i'm a co-founder at she leads africa. i definitely could not do my job without technology. this windows 10 device, the touchscreen allows you to kind of pinpoint what you're talking about. which makes communication much easier and faster than the old mac that i used to use. you can configure it in so many different ways,
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served as the sanders campaign press secretary. robert jones joins us. welcome to both of you. thank you for coming on. simone, break it down for us. what happens on the hill between now and that vote on friday? >> democrats are coming back. they'll be trickling in tomorrow. will be some lobbying going on. just recently we have seen that congresswoman marsha fudge who is the former chair of the congressional black caucus and congresswoman from ohio just came out for congressman ryan in this fight for the leader of the democratic caucus. there will be folks lobbying. nancy pelosi will be suring up her side. wednesday there will be a vote. i think nancy pelosi will hold on to the minority leadership but not without a fight. >> that fight is coming from her challenger tim ryan of ohio. let's listen to what he said. >> i want to ask the question to
my colleagues, how many seats do we have to lose before we make a change. we have lost 68 seats since 2010. is it 80 seats? is it 90 seats? what's the number that forces us to do things differently? i'm pulling the fire alarm here. >> robert, do you agree with ryan that the democrats need a new direction after losing these seats? >> well, elections, especially when you have lost always produce this kind of soul searching among the leadership and about the soul of the party and where it's going. these leadership battles are about positioning the entire party going forward. these growing diverse demographics that represented by the coast and how much do they try to reposition themselves to be more competitive than they were among rust belt states and ohio. it's not a mistake that he's from ohio and talking about how
many times do we have to learn these lessons. i think the biggest thing to watch out for is here. what do these appointments mean in terms of how the democratic party is positioning itself and what lessons the party think it's learned from the election. >> it seems like the party is still trying to grapple with all of this. up with of the conclusions following the election of donald trump is that the democratic party lost the white working class by ignoring the pain that it felt yet simon you say you'd like to see a person of color step into the role. why so? >> it's been a while, not in recent history since we had an elected chair of color. i think the democratic party is diverse. it represents the depths and breadth of american. that's what the leadership would represent. we've not had a elected claire of color since ron brown and before he got to assume the position, he passed. i think it's time for someone that looks like the base but not just the chairmanship on the
line, there's vice chairs. when it comes to who is the executive director in the building pch we need to put together a diverse and competitive coalition. it's not just what the folks look like but also what our policy positions are. voters in the primary and general told us they care about the issues. democrats, we didn't run on the particular issues. we'll have to do some course correction on that if we want to gain seats in 2017, 2018 and take the white house back in 2020. >> you said this should not make them lose sight of demographic changes. what demographics do they need and do it at the risk of alienating those working class voters who fled to trump and help him win the election? >> i think the biggest danger for both parties is over interpreting the particularities of the selection. it was enormously close election. just 110,000 votes. you can flip three seats, three states. i think kind of going back to the fundamentals and they are this.
the republican party continue ps to be in a very challenging position going forward to win national elections. they are relying overwhelmingly on a very homogeneous and shrinking group of white, christian voters. there's only so many elections you can continue to rely on that kind of a base and still win national elections. the democrats are in a much better position. i do think the danger of the democrats is getting into this kind of zero sum game where if you embrace diversity, that white working class voters lose. i think the real challenge for democratic leadership and better positioned than the republicans here to be a party that does look like the country but looking like the country has to mean both being able to embrace the new growing demographics of people of color while at the same time signaling to the 43% of the country that is white and christian that there is still place at the table for them. >> all right. thanks for joining us on this sunday. we appreciate it. >> thank you. just ahead, president-elect
trump names his white house counsel who may soon have his hands pretty full. >> donald trump loves to sue and he has and he loves to threaten to sue because it scares people. >> we will look at some of the lawsuits trump has threatened and what may happen as he prepares to take office. we'll be right back.
attorney donald mcga flrks to be white house counsel. he's likely have to dial with a unique situation. the staggering number of legal cases involving trump and his businesses. bryan todd has been looking into there. >> pamela, we have new insights to his most controversial lawsuits and why he's been involved in so many of them. it has to do with the bare knuckle bravado he picked up 40 years ago from a legendary legal brawler who said when it doubt, fight them in court. >> i moved on her. >> reporter: the access hollywood tape and the barrage of accusations of nearly a dozen women didn't humble donald trump. >> the events never happened. never. all of these liars will be sued after the election. >> reporter: trump has threaten tods sue nbc for the release of the access hollywood tape. he's threatened to sue the new york times for reporting two of the accusers accounts and
publishing several pages of his 19195 tax return. >> donald trump loves to sue and he has. he loves to threat on the sue people. threaten to sue people and run up their legal bill s terri terrifying. that's tactic he has used. i have more lawyers than you. you will lose. >> reporter: at least 7 0 lawsuits involving the president-elect are still open. he's been involved in more than 4,000 lawsuits. the general counsel for the trump organization says the numbers are grossly kpexaggerat. nowhere near accurate. trump did settle three class action suits over claims of fraud for $25 million. trump's bare knuckle legal philosophy goes back to the early 1970s. the justice department was suing trump for allegedly discriminating against mie norties who wanted represent apartments from them. donald trump had a fateful first
meeting with a new york legend. in a down moment he went to a nightclub in manhattan where he happened to meet roy cohn. >> reporter: he was a battler. his message, tell the government to go to hell. >> he laid out his philosophy of how to fight back in a lawsuit, how to fight back against a federal investigation flap was to hit back ten times harder. >> what about the depositions? it's one thing to sue but then you have to defend. he's going to have to answer questions. >> reporter: it could lead to something politically dangerous. >> bill clinton got into litigation with paula jones regarding things that happened when he was governor of arkansas
and that ultimately, as a result of statements that he made under oath lead to impeachment charges. that's a good example for mr. trump to look at. >> reporter: will donald trump follow through on his threat to sue nearly a dozen women who have accused him of sexual misconduct. the general counsel of the trump organization told me the president-elect is focused on running the country, pursuing his political agenda and eliminating distractions. pamela. >> all right. let's talk it over with richard, former white house ethics lawyer and now a corporate law professor at the university of minnesota. just curious, if you were advising donald trump, what would you tell him about his threat to sue the women who publicly accuse him of sexually inappropriate behavior? >> i wouldn't waste my time on
that. i don't think he will. the problem he's going to have is trying to prevent other people from suing him because the jones versus clinton precedent is a very dangerous one for a president who is litigation prone and has a widespread business empire. the plaintiffs lawyers will be looking for an opportunity to go after president trump to try to compete to each other to see who is the first to haul him into a deposition and try to put him under oath. he'll have to do whatever he can to fend off those lawsuits. the best thing he can do is divest himself of his business empire, which will attract most of the lawsuits and that would help him focus on being president. >> you think more lawsuits will come. as we know he settled with trump university recently over the lawsuit for $25 million. do you think that that will sort of pave the way for more
lawsuits? unfortunately, yes. the plaintiffs lawyers will see an opportunity here. the united states if you sue someone and you lose, you don't have to pay the lawyers fees. we have a lot of litigation any way against the big businesses such as the trump business empire. then if you have somebody who is the sitting president and can be sued in the personal capacity as the supreme court held in the jones versus clinton case, there will be a political motivation for the lawsuits as well and the presidents political opponents will be egging it on. as i say, if he wants to minimize it, he'll have to divest himself of his business empire because that's where most of the litigation exposure will be. >> with the pending lawsuits what will be your advice for him right now considering you have once been in white house counsel? >> a lot of these pending lawsuits are against various parts of the trump business
empire. if he divest himself of that, it's going to be a lot more difficult for the plaintiffs lawyers to try to haul him into court and haul him into depositions, put him under oath. that's where you don't want to be. it's not that he wouldn't tell the truth but he does not want to have to spend his time figuring out how to deal with that rather than being president. it are help get rid of a lot of litigation. if he doesn't decide to do that, he'll have to deal with a lot of litigation over flexion four years. >> as we know, donald trump named attorney again, the former head of the election commission to be white house counsel began advise to trump campaign. what is your take on him? is he a good choice to ensure there's no conflict of interest? >> he's a very good lawyer. i think he's going to do a very good job in the white house. the problem is if the president-elect chooses to keep owner slip of his business
enterprises, it will be a lot of private litigation. that cannot be handled out of the white house counsel's office. that cannot be handled at government expense. we'll have a parallel team of lawyers working for the president in personal capacity as head of the trump business organization and i think that's going to be a litigation nightmare that the white house counsel, no matter how skilled lawyer is going to find very, very difficult to deal with. >> litigation nightmare. thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. a quick check on black friday spending now. more than 154 million consumers shopped in stores and online. that's about three million more than last year. while more people shopped, they spent less. the national retail federation reports consumers spent about $290 each. on average compared to $3040 last year. remember, tomorrow is cyber monday. it will generate more than 3 billion in online sales.
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>> this is the type of job you see once in a 28-year career. >> reporter: manhattan apartment building ignited in flames more than 200 members of the fdny raced toward it, these five men among them. >> roof was on fire, fire out of the shaft, all around us. >> reporter: the firefighters never met before, but that day, an 81-year-old man trapped in his home brought them together. >> frank called me and told me that we had a guy at the window. >> my thought was possibly a fire escape to get to him. there was no rear fire escape in this old building. >> tied the rope to the roof. that's when andy and steve came up, joe. we just went to work. >> reporter: rope rescue is a dangerous technique, which hasn't been attempted by this department in five years because it's considered a last resort by fireman standards but one they knew they had to do. within seconds, jim lee was being lowered down, scaling the
burning building. >> go to your right, jimmy. go to your right. >> he was burning. at one point you could hear him yell burning. i see him looking up at me with the hood up and i just said to him, let's go. >> reporter: with the rope holding them beginning to burn -- >> lower down nice and easy gierkss. lower him down. >> reporter: team of firefighters successfully lowered the two men to safety. >> reporter: good. we're down. down. >> reporter: seconds before the rope snapped. >> looking back up and seeing the fire out the windows, the rope was on fire. and the reality really set in that, wow, we really just -- we saved a guy's life. legitimately group of guys worked together in seamless fashion and save this had guy's life and what a feeling. >> reporter: that feeling came again. >> you look familiar. >> reporter: when the firefighters met the man they saved, jim duffy. >> i said thank god. it was a miracle. i called it a miracle on 93rd.
>> that's a good catch phrase. i like it. >> it was. >> we deal with a lot of tragedy in this job. through the course of a career, more tragedy than you would like to ever see. and this is definitely a win for everybody. >> brynn gingrass, cnn, new york. >> definitely a miracle on 93rd street. donald trump, as we know, won the election. why is he alleging millions of people cast illegal ballots? the president-elect argues a recount would be pointless. we are live in the cnn newsroom.
you're live in the cnn newsroom. president-elect donald trump making an allegation, claiming without any evidence that the only reason hillary clinton won the popular vote was because millions of people voted for her illegally. here is what he wrote. quote, in addition to winning the electoral college by' land slide i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. it would have been easier for me to win the so-called popular vote if i